Inside genuine Nissan oil filter.

[Thomas0zero]

Bought this filter from a TheNismoShop.com. This filter is for the SR20DET engines.

I only ran this filter for about 500-1000 miles. I changed it after some recent engine work, but only after it had a chance to collect the dirt left behind. Time to see how good it really is.

The canister is definitely thicker than most filters and wont flex much, if at all. Theres a good amount of filter media that is for the most part evenly spaced apart. The endcaps are paper with a thin layer of glue keeping to keep from flexing. The center tube had plenty of flow and most likely wouldnt restrict flow much. It also included a very flimsy drainback valve, that probably didn't work very well, and a rigid leaf spring in the bottom.

I would give this filter a 3 out of 10 and wouldnt buy another.

http://i612.photobucket.com/albums/tt202/thomas0zero/000_0002_zpsd39e3115.jpg (http://s612.photobucket.com/user/thomas0zero/media/000_0002_zpsd39e3115.jpg.html)
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[Thomas0zero]

I know ive been going on about how much i love STP oil filters. Found this image today.

http://www.mr2roc.org/misc/referencelibrary/oilfilters/DSC00739.jpg

[TwelveAM]

Damn.... Time to look for new filters to start applying on my SR then. Been using OEM filters.

[lflkajfj12123]

nissan oil filters are basically a fram

which are TERRIBLE

its been discussed on here for years

Purolator PureONE filter is the best

[Matej]

Purolator PureONE filter is the best
Plus it looks pretty.

[Q.Smooth127]

Damn i been usin oem filters for years lols.
Time to switch to better ones

[zerodameaon]

Pulled one off my RB back in the day, glad I went over to Napa Gold(WIX).

[Hoffman5982]

I use Mobil 1 filters on my SR and Wix on my KA. This is sketchy though. I was using OEM filters for the first 8 months that I had my SR. I had no idea what was inside.

[shiftdrift]

i've always used fram filters....they work great. always.

[zerodameaon]

Wix VS Mobile 1
Wix Filter/NapaGold Oil Filter vs Mobil-1: FleetFilter Secure Online Store (http://www.fleetfilter.com/comparison-mobil1-filter.html)

Wix VS Fram(OEM)
Wix Filter/NapaGold Oil Filter vs Fram: FleetFilter Secure Online Store (http://www.fleetfilter.com/comparison-fram-filter.html)

Just on specs alone Fram oil filters are utter shit.

[shiftdrift]

also, i change my oil on my ka every 5k miles. and it has 231k and kicking strong. talk shit.

[zerodameaon]

Good for you no one gives two fucks about how badly you treat your car, that comparison was directed at s0apguns comment about OEM being the same as fram. You just happened to be lucky enough to comment right before I posted.

[lflkajfj12123]

Plus it looks pretty.

yeah the blue ones are sweet

i use the oversized mustard color one though

Oil filter number
PL20195 - oversized.

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/296603-oil-faq.html

for those who want to learn something

[shiftdrift]

i treat my car great, that's why it's still running great. not some ragged out pos drift car.

[zerodameaon]

Is that filter like the size of the 2000 something VW Jetta filter or is it bigger?

This is the oil filter number I use, it has a anti drainback valve.
Wix
51342

Now if that one is bigger even still I might switch over to that.

[Matej]

yeah the blue ones are sweet

i use the oversized mustard color one though
The wrinkle yellow is the one I meant.
I used the one for a Nissan Frontier or something.

[MamangSorbetero]

Is that filter like the size of the 2000 something VW Jetta filter or is it bigger?

This is the oil filter number I use, it has a anti drainback valve.
Wix
51342

Now if that one is bigger even still I might switch over to that.

I also use the PL20195 size. I just buy Bosch 3422 instead of the OEM 3400. It has an anti-drainback valve and an oil relief valve. It's the filter size that Ford F150's use.

You can also use the huge Bosch 3500 one that's three times the girth. But it doesn't have the oil relief valve. It may be just me, but my oil became discolored faster with every OEM size replacement filter compared to the Bosch 3422 I keep using or Purolator PL20195

I've personally opened Frams and STP. It is a wonder how they can sell a product like this. Some STP's even come with a plastic inner support wall! Bosch, (for the 3400 and 3422 series respectively) are always equipped with a metal end-cap and have almost the same number of pleats like the more expensive KN equivalent would. But it only costs $6 instead of $15-20 a filter. Would not trust crappy Fram without drain-back valves or oil relief valves

[zerodameaon]

Just checked out the PL20195 cross referenced with the wix database and its the same filter except the relief valve is only 8psi as opposed to the one I posted at 16psi for the Wix brand and the gasket is slightly different. It seems that the real Purolator is set to 16psi as well. The 3422 comes up as the same WIX filter as the PL20195. All of them have the relief valve and bypass. It seems that they are pretty close to the same it just comes down to what material it uses and how well the anti drain holds pressure.

On the topic of SR20s the OEM filters are still better than a OEM KA because they have the anti drainback in place. I wonder if the whole drainback thing lends a hand in the timing chain issues of KAs.

[Matej]

Just checked out the PL20195 cross referenced with the wix database and its the same filter except the relief valve is only 8psi as opposed to the one I posted at 16psi for the Wix brand and the gasket is slightly different. It seems that the real Purolator is set to 16psi as well.
Does the filter size you use still seal up well? Since it is a bit wider than the intended diameter.
Unless you are using it on a KA, for which it is the correct diameter.
Also, the PureOne filter for the KA actually does have the anti-drain back valve, though it does not have the pressure relief valve.

[zerodameaon]

I have yet to run into any issues. The OD is 2.865 as opposed to 2.734. IDK what other brands are in comparison but I have been using the Passat 2.0L(not Jetta like I said earlier) filter for over two years now with no leaks from the oil filter area.

[Matej]

Interesting. In that case maybe I should try the L30251. :)

http://partsmart.boschwebservices.com/RB/NA/AUTO/AFTERMARKET/PARTSMART/PartSmartImages/L30251.jpg


Or PL24458, which comes in metallic purple instead of yellow for some reason. 'Micronic' probably means good.

http://partsmart.boschwebservices.com/RB/NA/AUTO/AFTERMARKET/PARTSMART/PartSmartImages/PL24458.jpg


I just looked up the filter I was using and it is the PL14610, for M20x1.5 threads, so it fits S14 and S15 SR's.
It is a popular oversize upgrade for cars that would normally use the PL14612, which is a very common filter.

[Hoffman5982]

also, i change my oil on my ka every 5k miles. and it has 231k and kicking strong. talk shit.

My first s14 had 205k miles when I sold and it ran perfectly. There were many times I'd check the oil and there wouldn't be a single drop on the stick, and my oil changes were not consistent(Knew nothing about cars at the time). Your engine is still kicking it because KA's will last forever if you don't redline them 24/7. Fram's are the worse filters on the market. Get over it.

[KiLLeR2001]

I've been using K&N oil filters since Day 1 on my SR, never had any problems.

[cured13]

so, what is the number on Pure One oversized filter for s13 Red Top sr20det?

[S13yeahbuddy]

ive been using mobile 1 filters i never thought about taking it apart to see how good it actually is

[ZenkiKid]

Ive been using motorcraft fl400s filters. They are oversized and they fit just fine. I remember digging deep in the zilvia archives and the old school dudes talking about it.

[cured13]

longer, oversized Pure One will make oil changes much easier on red top
its hard to get to that oil filter especially if you have big hands.

[KiLLeR2001]

Interesting read... Do Oil Filters Even Matter? - Oil Filtration Comparisons From the Workbench (http://filtrationcomparisons.weebly.com/do-oil-filters-even-matter.html)

[dawagarage]

Conventional Oil Filters (http://www.supramania.com/forums/showthread.php?42763-Conventional-Oil-Filters)

[zeitgeist]

what's the opinion on bosch filter's?'
Just bought one

*edit*
just read the supra forums thread. So it's comparable to the purolator?

[lflkajfj12123]

so, what is the number on Pure One oversized filter for s13 Red Top sr20det?

for s13 sr20 red or black top use 91-94 sentra se-r filter Part Number: PL14477

Specifications:
Anti-Drain Back Valve Yes Height 3.52
O.D. 2.69 Relief Valve P.S.I. 14-18
Thread Pitch UNF-2B Threads 3/4-16
Type of Filter Spin-on


for s14/s15 sr20 use a 95-98 200sx filter Part Number: PL14610

Specifications:
Anti-Drain Back Valve Yes Height 3.52
O.D. 2.69 Relief Valve P.S.I. 14-18
Threads M20-1.5 Type of Filter Spin-on

the sr oversized filters aren't quite as big as the KA ones for obvious reasons

KA24DE filter Part Number: PL20195
Anti-Drain Back Valve Yes Height 4.74
O.D. 2.98 Relief Valve P.S.I. 12-15
Thread Pitch UNF-2B Threads 3/4-16
Type of Filter Spin-on

[BoostSlideWayz]

I personally use WIX filters, they are awesome and actually not to pricey.. http://i590.photobucket.com/albums/ss342/CustomGundam/WIX-Explode_d_zps180f7e09.jpg (http://s590.photobucket.com/user/CustomGundam/media/WIX-Explode_d_zps180f7e09.jpg.html)

The dealer filters just charge you for the name... its annoying how much dealers charge for stuff thats no better than the next product thats half the price.

Ultimately ive used many different filters, from fram, K&N, WIX etc and never have had a catastrophic failure.

Either way though i still would trust my cars with a WIX filter over anything else.

[WindyCity]

you are all *SNIP* for arguing about something so stupid.

[lflkajfj12123]

the WIX filter for our cars doesn't have a by-pass/relief valve

Part Number: 51361
UPC Number: 765809513617
Principle Application: Infiniti (91-97), Nissan (88-99), Mercury Villager (93-98), Subaru (88-94)
Applications
Style: Spin-On Lube Filter
Service: Lube
Type: Full Flow
Media: Paper
Height: 4.113
Outer Diameter Top: 3.234
Outer Diameter Bottom: Closed:
Thread Size: 3/4-16
By-Pass Valve Setting-PSI: None
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Beta Ratio: 2/20=6/20
Burst Pressure-PSI: 340
Max Flow Rate: 7-9 GPM
Nominal Micron Rating: 21


edit: OEM STYLE WIX DON'T HAVE IT

[yomisiu]

you are all :hey: for arguing about something so stupid.

getting yourself pinked sure will teach them a lesson!

[cured13]

for s13 sr20 red or black top use 91-94 sentra se-r filter Part Number: PL14477



for s14/s15 sr20 use a 95-98 200sx filter Part Number: PL14610



the sr oversized filters aren't quite as big as the KA ones for obvious reasons

KA24DE filter Part Number: PL20195

:rawk: THANK YOU!

[zerodameaon]

the WIX filter for our cars doesn't have a by-pass/relief valve

That is why you don't run the stupid OEM type one and instead run any of the other ones that work. The Purolators that are for the KA24DE don't have them either. This is more a argument against running the OEM type and not really for brands.

PL24457


Specifications:
Anti-Drain Back Valve Yes Height 4.02
O.D. 2.98 Relief Valve P.S.I. None
Thread Pitch UNF-2B Threads 3/4-16
Type of Filter Spin-on'

Pick your favorite brand, look up filter for a 2002 VW Passat 2.0L (Fram #PH2870A) and as long as it is not a Fram it is still going to be better than most anyone meant for the KA. Or just buy the Purolator or Wix I posted earlier and not have any worries.

[lflkajfj12123]

Oh cool, I edited my post then. I forgot the normal purolator don't have it either. Makes sense.

[omgRWDgoodness!]

So am I the only one to accompany my Amsoil Signature Series 10W-30 with one of their Ea oil filters?

[Q.Smooth127]

I just switched to a dixie cup wit a wire mesh connected to it. Ziptied on cause zip ties n 240s go together.
5bucks for like a year supply of oil filter swap jobs

[Future240]

This thread is quite informative. I had no idea that oil filters mattered so much. Now I know why my KA has these dry starts.

[zerodameaon]

So am I the only one to accompany my Amsoil Signature Series 10W-30 with one of their Ea oil filters?

Doubtful, just one of a select few to spend that much.

[mechanicalmoron]

Of course build quality matters, but these threads consistently miss the important part of the filter:

The filtration media.

As long as it holds things in place, the ends not being metal has nothing to do with anything. If you cut a filter and find the media torn or the end cap blown off, THAT would be cause for alarm.

The anti-drainback valves may or may not be properly testable by the "blow" method, with the lubrication and weight of oil they will act totally differently, and when they're constantly blown out of position by the fast flow of oil, the ones that return and seal every time you kill the engine may not be the same ones that would pass the blow test.

[imotion s14]

Anyone ever gut a Veruspeed filter?

[Thomas0zero]

also, i change my oil on my ka every 5k miles. and it has 231k and kicking strong. talk shit.

Theres nothing wrong with changing oil at 5k miles and dont let anyone else tell you otherwise. Oil had come a long way from what it used to be and 5k intervals is more than fine. Although Mobil is the only brand that advertises 5k change intervals AND backs it up with a 5k mile engine warranty from oil related failure. This is because they care more about the customer than the money, and stand behind there products. Mobil actually makes an engine oil, Mobil 1 Extended Performance, that guarantees your engine from oil related failure for 15k miles.

Let the people continue to waste there money because there either stubborn, or ill educated.

Mobil FTW.

[KiLLeR2001]

If you know how to read oil then you'll know when it is time for a change. Any quality oil will have no problem lasting 5000 miles. Any of the cheaper / lower quality brands I wouldn't push it past 3000 miles, but then again I wouldn't put that in my engine to begin with.

[codyace]

Oil filter arguments are as bad as oil (in general) arguments. We've got some service cars at our shop that get the cheapest oil and filter we can put in them as per company directions, and they go 200/300k without issues. I've got some customers cars that request we use their particular oil and filter in their service cars, and they blow up in half that time.

Heck look at all the lube/filter places you see, do you think they use a quality oil or filter? Yet customer cars commute into NYC (well in our area) daily, go multiple hundred thousands of miles, and don't worry. Again, the key to change oil on schedule.

I think the number one thing with these sort of things is just doing routine maintenance, and keeping a schedule. On my personal car I change the oil and filter after every track day, sometimes only having 500 miles on a car between events. I know some guys that skip, and those are the same guys with engines out every winter too.




Trust me, I know my opinion seems ignorant for as particular I am with some things, but most modern oils and filters do a good job. That combined with engines that don't piss fuel past the rings like old engines really helps the situation too.

[97nismo]

My 1997 ka24de in my truck always has dry starts no matter the oil filter i use...

[derass]

Can someone explain what is wrong with the OEM filter pictured? I see hair or something on the filter media, but other than that, I don't see anything obviously wrong.

I've been using a KA filter on my S13 SR. A friend once told me that was the correct filter but I found out shortly after that the SE-R filter is correct. I've continued to use the KA filter as it has a larger capacity and haven't had any issues with the o-ring sealing, but now I see the KA filter doesn't have a drain-back valve and the SE-R does?

I think I will be changing to a NapaGold SE-R filter.

[aga]

i ve been using amsoil dominator 15-50 with amsoil filters (whenever i didnt have GReddy or TRD)...i thought its a small fee to pay, for my 5.000$ engine... now with the sr, im gonna look for k&n or amsoil again... or bosch premium & mobil 1

[Thomas0zero]

Can someone explain what is wrong with the OEM filter pictured? I see hair or something on the filter media, but other than that, I don't see anything obviously wrong.

I've been using a KA filter on my S13 SR. A friend once told me that was the correct filter but I found out shortly after that the SE-R filter is correct. I've continued to use the KA filter as it has a larger capacity and haven't had any issues with the o-ring sealing, but now I see the KA filter doesn't have a drain-back valve and the SE-R does?

I think I will be changing to a NapaGold SE-R filter.

anti-drainback valves keep oil in the filter so you dont have to re prime the oil filter on start up. This particular filter could become unreliable due to the paper endcaps absorbing oil and becoming flexible. Stick with good filters that use metal endcaps, STP, Wix, Purolator's, K&N, Mobil, etc.

But you dont have to go out and buy the most expensive filter on the market. I cant stress enough that the STP, the cheapest filter on the market, is just as good as K&N, Mobil and Purolator Pure 1. Ive cut open many stp filters and there quality was outstanding for the cost.

[Frank_Jaeger]

This thread is quite informative. I had no idea that oil filters mattered so much. Now I know why my KA has these dry starts.
How can you tell if you're having dry starts?

[OutlawLui]

I read on another thread that nothing beats nissan oem filters for sr.

So here i am using oem filters thinking i'm doing good lol.

[kamilitaryman]

LMFAO @ this thread. I've been using FRAM filters since I started playing around with cars back in 2001. I change ANY conventional oil every 3500-3800 miles (depending how dirty it really is). Not a single issue with any of my cheap filters! Go ahead kiddos, continue blowing extra $ on shit that doesn't matter! Get mad bros.

[Thomas0zero]

LMFAO @ this thread. I've been using FRAM filters since I started playing around with cars back in 2001. I change ANY conventional oil every 3500-3800 miles (depending how dirty it really is). Not a single issue with any of my cheap filters! Go ahead kiddos, continue blowing extra $ on shit that doesn't matter! Get mad bros.

Doesnt matter how long you use it, it only has to fail once to fuck your shit up. Why take the chance? Once again, STP filters are cheaper than Fram and much higher quality.

[t_rempel]

So guys, I'm comparing purolator 20195 filters, and am wondering what the differences are between the pureONE and classic filters. Is it mainly filter material?
I ask because I can get the classics locally, but would have to order pureONEs online.

Classic:
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Height: 4.74
O.D.: 2.98
Relief Valve P.S.I.: 12-15
Thread Pitch UNF-2B, Threads 3/4-16

pureONE:
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Height: 4.74
O.D.: 2.98
Relief Valve P.S.I.: 12-15
Thread Pitch UNF-2B, Threads 3/4-16

[singlecamslam]

So wix filters DO have anti drain valve? For like a 300zx

[lflkajfj12123]

So guys, I'm comparing purolator 20195 filters, and am wondering what the differences are between the pureONE and classic filters. Is it mainly filter material?
I ask because I can get the classics locally, but would have to order pureONEs online.

Classic:
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Height: 4.74
O.D.: 2.98
Relief Valve P.S.I.: 12-15
Thread Pitch UNF-2B, Threads 3/4-16

pureONE:
Anti-Drain Back Valve: Yes
Height: 4.74
O.D.: 2.98
Relief Valve P.S.I.: 12-15
Thread Pitch UNF-2B, Threads 3/4-16

filter material, quality of the drain back valve, and no outside grip would be the three differences

you can have your local advance auto order the pureone filters so you don't pay shipping

[t_rempel]

filter material, quality of the drain back valve, and no outside grip would be the three differences

you can have your local advance auto order the pureone filters so you don't pay shipping

Thanks for the reply s0apgun! Walmart's the only purolator distributor in Canada and they only seem to carry classic and synthetic filters. I'd rather order online than try to deal with Walmart's customer service.

[jamg]

i have an oil filter relocate, so the pure one i use is much fatter.

but honestly, if you're that worried about the oil filter, just make a custom system where you can install 2 of them. just use a bunch of AN lines and fittings, and attached it to the adapters plates. twice the filtering if you're that paranoid.

[mechanicalmoron]

i have an oil filter relocate, so the pure one i use is much fatter.

but honestly, if you're that worried about the oil filter, just make a custom system where you can install 2 of them. just use a bunch of AN lines and fittings, and attached it to the adapters plates. twice the filtering if you're that paranoid.

Doesn't address drainback or bypass valve issues, the size particles filtered, etc....

[zerodameaon]

So wix filters DO have anti drain valve? For like a 300zx

Pretty much all nissan filters have the anti drainback, its the relief valve that a few are missing.

[Shift n Drift]

These are the "new" oem filters made in mexico...

New design Nissan OEM oil filters cut open - Bob Is The Oil Guy (http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2868564)

You guys done bitching about paper end caps now?..

[zerodameaon]

Don't think the bitch was about the paper endcaps but more about how it is missing some things that other filters have. That one even looks to be missing it. No way in hell that would be going on my GTR if I had one, or any of the other cars on that list for that matter.

Now that I think about it most of the talk in this thread has been about a replacement and very little has been about the filter cut open.

[Shift n Drift]

The only thing I see missing is a up front bypass valve, which is hard to find in a filter if you're running an s14sr, or basically in any pf the pics with a filter cut open. Im still googling what they do though...

[lflkajfj12123]

Thanks for the reply s0apgun! Walmart's the only purolator distributor in Canada and they only seem to carry classic and synthetic filters. I'd rather order online than try to deal with Walmart's customer service.

oh sorry man i didn't see you were in canada haha

[ayuaddict]

Matej,

I love that the paint/finish of the filter is so important to you.

So which one is the prettiest?

[az_240]

When removing the old oil filter during an oil change you should get some oil pouring out around the sides. This shows the valve inside is still working and will help prevent the dry starts you guys are talking about. If no oil pours out then the valve probably failed. I've been using Bosch filters for years on my cars/families cars and didn't have an issue until recently I noticed a couple of them were not holding oil. On my daily (03 Civic) I noticed it was a little rough on startups. It did not really surprise me when I saw no oil come pouring out of the filter when I took the thing off. After the oil change the car started fine. I've since switched to Napa filters for now. I've come to find Bosch in general is a pretty shitty brand.

[2iv0 sx]

^ Been using OEM filters for years on the KA and always noticed oil spilling out every time (Good, I guess)... Never had any problem or thought twice about what brand filter I'm using.

But until I saw this thread, I started worrying... Should I start considering pureONE? I'm due for an oil change LOL

[Matej]

Matej,

I love that the paint/finish of the filter is so important to you.

So which one is the prettiest?
Hello Yuta.

[zeitgeist]

Zilvia thread from 09
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/265699-read-about-our-oil-filters.html