What car would you be driving if it was 1999?

[180sxmaniac]

2002 marked the end of all the great/fun Japanese cars. I was born in 90 so clearly I missed out on being able to purchase a new fun affordable car. Just curious tho if it were 1999 again and you had your shot at any brand new car from the 90s what would it be (USDM only)?

Rx7FD or MitsuVR4 for me

[imotion s14]

FT86 is pretty fun.

fuck I was 21 in 2002.

Getting old sucks..

[xoxide]

FT86 is pretty fun.
Hmm.... I dont recall FT86's being produced in 1999. o_O

[brndck]

Nsx. /thread.

[imotion s14]

Hmm.... I dont recall FT86's being produced in 1999. o_O

OP said he "missed out" because he was playing Pokemon during recess in 1999 because all fun "affordable" cars had ceased to be in 2002.. which is 100% wrong.

Example? FT86 etc.

[KiLLeR2001]

post-89 - S13
pre-89 - S30

Very easy decision for me.

[S14kouki_10]

mkiv supra.. the best car ever

[180sxmaniac]

OP said he "missed out" because he was playing Pokemon during recess in 1999 because all fun "affordable" cars had ceased to be in 2002.. which is 100% wrong.

Example? FT86 etc.

How many Japanese FR layout cars after 2002 could compete(price,performance,potential,appeal) with all the legendary jap fr cars from the 90s? Only one comes to mind S2k. Yes in 99 I was a 4th grader playing Pokemon Yellow Edition and my gameboy color was teal green to be exact.

[Felipe]

Brand new 1998 black on black S14 kouki manual with all the bells snd whistles....lsd ect.

[imotion s14]

How many Japanese FR layout cars after 2002 could compete(price,performance,potential,appeal) with all the legendary jap fr cars from the 90s? Only one comes to mind S2k. Yes in 99 I was a 4th grader playing Pokemon Yellow Edition and my gameboy color was teal green to be exact.

Did these cars just vanished into thin air after 2002?

[jesse_s13]

Freaking Toyota Supra TT!

[tac 1]

Anthracite, 6 speed, Targa top TT supra

[nujabe]

fd rx7 in silver

[180sxmaniac]

Did these cars just vanished into thin air after 2002?

180sx-production ceased in 98
jzx100- production ceased in 00
soarer- production ceased in 00
supra- production ceased in 02
rx7- production ceased in 02
skyline- production ceased in 02
silvia- production ceased in 02

Evo and Impreza are really the only two
legendary cars that survived the 90s. Sure
the soarer has a new power plant the SC430
but it's far from an enthusiast car and it has no
relevance in any form of japanese motorsports
outside of Daigo Saito using an SC430 for Formula Drift.
The FRS is a cool car but I wouldn't call it fun, when I think
of fun cars I think of lightweight Japanese FR layout cars
that come from the factory with lsd and a turbo motor which
will allow any potential buyer to increase power to their preference.
Now if Subie decides to Sti the BRZ then I can add the BRZ to the
legendary list but until then they're on the list of so-so cars.

[jevus]

850 manual twin turbo

[simmode1]

How many Japanese FR layout cars after 2002 could compete(price,performance,potential,appeal) with all the legendary jap fr cars from the 90s? Only one comes to mind S2k.
WTF... RX8, 350Z, G35 coupe and Miata. If you don't wanna restrict yourself to just FR's, theres MR2 Spyder, WRX & EVO.

I think you're focused solely on the turbocharged element of the 90's FR's. I don't blame you. But the millennial offerings were still comparable in stock performance and were cheaper, in most cases after you account for inflation.

But for the original question, if it were 1999, I'd be shopping for a lightly used MR2 turbo just like I am right now.

[drift freaq]

post-89 - S13
pre-89 - S30

Very easy decision for me.


Done and done!! LOL

[VROOOM]

this is what i was driving in 1999. LOL

http://www.240sx.org/links/clubpix/newpix/mp192jeff.jpg

[S13GG]

^nice quote, but all imports that took a boat ride have 4 corner hooks....


in 1999, i bought my first S13, a 1992

but the question was any new 90's car, so FD or NSX...
or any dollar amount, still have to be the F40...

[zombiewolf513]

http://static.cargurus.com/images/site/2013/05/14/10/49/1998_toyota_rav4_4_door_awd-pic-1915612117498857164.jpeg

[manicmechanic]

Im in with the targa TT supra but agree that there have been some fun cars since 2002 I think its more of a direction change than an extinction level event.

[180sxmaniac]

WTF... RX8, 350Z, G35 coupe and Miata. If you don't wanna restrict yourself to just FR's, theres MR2 Spyder, WRX & EVO.

I think you're focused solely on the turbocharged element of the 90's FR's. I don't blame you. But the millennial offerings were still comparable in stock performance and were cheaper, in most cases after you account for inflation.

But for the original question, if it were 1999, I'd be shopping for a lightly used MR2 turbo just like I am right now.


I respect that,I'm definitely an FR layout guy and thats largely due to my 2005 Irwindale D1GP experience having the privilege to sit alongside Yasuyuki Kazama on a few test runs as he drove what is now the legendary Kei Office green S15. So for me turbo rwd cars that pull you out of your seat are what I consider fun cars. I think the cars you mentioned can be cool cars(wide wheels, stanced,nice fitments, aftermarket parts,etc) but I don't find them necessarily fun. The Evo and Sti are great I actually have nothing negative to say about those 2 monsters. Rx8 feels smooth but that's where all the good stops. z is too heavy and g35 isn't a sports car. Miata is a slow convertible so I guess it's a nice cruise around town car just not a sports car in my eyes. Mr2's aren't bad if you can find a turbo model.

[Bmxer300zx]

TTZ32
Miss my old z32 soo bad even though the TT conversion was a nightmare its a awesome car. I may even pickup a N/A as a daily soon haha.

[Bmxer300zx]

I respect that,I'm definitely an FR layout guy and thats largely due to my 2005 Irwindale D1GP experience having the privilege to sit alongside Yasuyuki Kazama on a few test runs as he drove what is now the legendary Kei Office green S15. So for me turbo rwd cars that pull you out of your seat are what I consider fun cars. I think the cars you mentioned can be cool cars(wide wheels, stanced,nice fitments, aftermarket parts,etc) but I don't find them necessarily fun. The Evo and Sti are great I actually have nothing negative to say about those 2 monsters. Rx8 feels smooth but that's where all the good stops. z is too heavy and g35 isn't a sports car. Miata is a slow convertible so I guess it's a nice cruise around town car just not a sports car in my eyes. Mr2's aren't bad if you can find a turbo model.

My buddies g35 makes a bit over 450whp on spray and boltons was recently spotlighted on version2 with slicks outback caused quite an uproar lol.
350z is swappable and nimble but to the average person expensive. Rx8 meh I've seen some dope ones even in drifting circuit. Far as the miata goes slap a t28 on it and see what happens at the weight and 50/50 balance becomes quite the car. Just may look a lil feminine driving it haha.
Question is if it was 99 would you be able to afford all these early 90's cars and mod them? Same as the mid 2000 cars you say arn't good Fr layout they are it's just money and time and cheaper to mod old 240's, 300's, rx7's. Far as a mk4 supra goes have fun at the prices I see those I'd buy a NSX and call it a day.

[blksylv]

jade green or rsp mkiv supra

[7x13]

Subaru Impreza GC8 STi Type R Version V or a 22B

[EnemyS15]

Supra TT or Rx-7

[spooled240]

I love my I6's so I'd have to go with the '99 R34 GT-R

[AXV]

NSX for me. Can't beat MR handling.

[Matej]

Question is if it was 99 would you be able to afford all these early 90's cars and mod them?
People still cannot afford them today. :)

[ghoti]

I'd probably be driving and S13 with a 90s riced bodykit that all the fanboys love.
http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj283/racepar1/buildpics002.jpg

[Corbic]

OP said he "missed out" because he was playing Pokemon during recess in 1999 because all fun "affordable" cars had ceased to be in 2002.. which is 100% wrong.

Example? FT86 etc.

WRX, STi, Evo, SRT-4, Ford Focus ST, Ford Focus SVT, Turbo Cobalt, RSX, RX-8, 350Z, Mustang S197, 2nd Gen Tacoma, Lancer Ralliart, CTS, GTO, Cayman, E46 M3, C6, TT, 03 Cobra.... honestly, I could go own for an hour...


What the fuck was actually "fun" and readily available in the 90's for the US market?

Our 240sx had an ass thumping 150hp, only a handful of Honda's had B-series motors, the Japanese Super Cars were still stupid fucking expensive... and that was about it.

OMFG 220HP V8 MUSTANG!! Watch out yo, my V-TAKE 115hp SOHC Honda just kicked in!!

:duh:


You had DSMs and they are built from garbage. Awesome Engine, Awesome Styling - Chrysler 90's build quality 100%

[Corbic]

mkiv supra.. the best car ever

Then why don't you have one now?

[Corbic]

How many Japanese FR layout cars after 2002 could compete(price,performance,potential,appeal) with all the legendary jap fr cars from the 90s? Only one comes to mind S2k. Yes in 99 I was a 4th grader playing Pokemon Yellow Edition and my gameboy color was teal green to be exact.

Uh... are you stupid?

The 350Z and RX-8 both matched their 90's counterparts in stock-form and cost well under half what either of those cars cost new - they also get better fuel economy and are easier to maintain.

[Corbic]

I respect that,I'm definitely an FR layout guy and thats largely due to my 2005 Irwindale D1GP experience having the privilege to sit alongside Yasuyuki Kazama on a few test runs as he drove what is now the legendary Kei Office green S15. So for me turbo rwd cars that pull you out of your seat are what I consider fun cars. I think the cars you mentioned can be cool cars(wide wheels, stanced,nice fitments, aftermarket parts,etc) but I don't find them necessarily fun. The Evo and Sti are great I actually have nothing negative to say about those 2 monsters. Rx8 feels smooth but that's where all the good stops. z is too heavy and g35 isn't a sports car. Miata is a slow convertible so I guess it's a nice cruise around town car just not a sports car in my eyes. Mr2's aren't bad if you can find a turbo model.


Blah blah blah -

The Z/G are no heavier than the GT-R, Supra and Z32 of yesteryear. They are also just as much a "sports car" as a S-chasis, Supra and the Z-series of the past.

Turbos? Somehow i think that Kei Office car was modified, and honestly, all the 90's turbo cars - in stock trim - suck balls.

They suck big giant hairy lice covered donkey balls.

It's not until you start modifying and upgrading them that anything gets interesting, and honestly, you can modify new N/A cars too... Just look at the success they are having with the FRZ - $6k turbo kits are putting down 400whp. You are swapping the exact same parts on a SR-S13/14 to get the same results, so starting with a suck-ass t25 and 3" IC doesn't exactly mean squat in the end.


The only thing lost from the 90's are some of the crazy over built Japanese engines. The JZ, 4g63, VG30 and 3GSTE come to mind. You could run crazy boost without even opening the engines. SR gets honorable mentions because while they don't make huge numbers like an Evo - they get abused to no end by all the idiot kids that work on them and just take it .


But there is hope. The 4.6 DOHC S/C engine from Ford was and is a fucking monster. Pound for Pound it womps the 2JZ. GM continues to produce mind-boggling LS motors making crazy power and the new FA Subaru motor is everyone's hope for fixing all the issues from that garbage EJ-series.


BMW's turbo motors are also supposedly crazy wicked.

K-series pwnz the B-series
Mazda and Fords turbo engines rock
The 2.4 SRT-4 engine is stuff of legends

[Matej]

Really wanted this when I was a kid in the 90s and all the hot boi tunerz had them (probably just the aero on regular models).

http://www.performance-car-guide.co.uk/images/L-190E-Evolution-II-4.jpg


Or one of these. Mercedes was my thing back then.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/03/Mercedes-Benz_R129_SL_vr_silver.jpg/800px-Mercedes-Benz_R129_SL_vr_silver.jpg

[Bmxer300zx]

People still cannot afford them today. :)

True.
Clean ones of any mid 90's turbo model are usually 8k plus. Supras and nsx still tip the $20k+ pocket.
Older fc's, z31, mk3, mx83, 240's, mr2's are cheap and easy to mod haha.

Oh btw that top black Mercedes is a big win!

[andisan]

I like how everyone is naming cars they couldn't afford then and even now :) not hating just saying :)

And I would get an 99-00 civic si, best si in the US in my opinion

And

The integra type R too,

Not a fanboy answer either

[simmode1]

1UIJiLWKvh4

[deolio]

if i had the car i wanted in 1999 it would be ferrari 355 f1.

if i had a new car of my choice from 1999 now it would be a miata since there were no 1999 240sx's in the us...

[EDacIouSX]

180sx-production ceased in 98
Sure the soarer has a new power plant the SC430
but it's far from an enthusiast car and it has no
relevance in any form of japanese motorsports
outside of Daigo Saito using an SC430 for Formula Drift.


Let me shed some light on your statement...

Lexus SC430 GT500 (http://www.supercars.net/cars/362.html)

"IN 2006, Toyota abandoned their aging Supra program in favor of a specially developed Lexus SC430 that met SuperGT GT500 rules."





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_GT#GT500

SC430 wins:

2006 GT 500 Tom's Lexus SC 430
2008 GT 500 Tom's Lexus SC 430
2009 GT 500 Tom's Lexus SC 430
http://www.japanesesportcars.com/galleries/data/media/155/petronas_toms-lexus-sc430.jpg

[simmode1]

More 90's era car reviews. God, Top Gear has me spoiled. These are interesting, but they suck.
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GbYQO1UDRAU

[DenkiMan!]

Evo and Impreza are really the only two
legendary cars that survived the 90s. Sure
the soarer has a new power plant the SC430
but it's far from an enthusiast car and it has no
relevance in any form of japanese motorsports
outside of Daigo Saito using an SC430 for Formula Drift.

yeaaaa soarers are actually still quite a popular car for D1GP as well

(this is the oldest out of all the pictures, and i believe this was the '08 season)
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/IMG_0561_vIPJ_0.jpg

not 90's but you get the idea
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/AY0F2346.jpg

http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/IMG_0141_0q0g_2.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4103/5059866250_0c06fbf682.jpg


daigo's soarer where he competed in china, and nishida also drove it
8qD6XO7dEcU

nishida actually competed with a soarer last year alongside with daigo
http://www.motormavens.com/emAlbum/albums/Antonio%20Alvendia/Events/Formula%20Drift/2012%20Irwindale/_fullsize/formula-drift-irwindale-IMG_3695.jpg

this is actually the car i wanted before a 240. the potential for them are pretty big

[180sxmaniac]

My buddies g35 makes a bit over 450whp on spray and boltons was recently spotlighted on version2 with slicks outback caused quite an uproar lol.
350z is swappable and nimble but to the average person expensive. Rx8 meh I've seen some dope ones even in drifting circuit. Far as the miata goes slap a t28 on it and see what happens at the weight and 50/50 balance becomes quite the car. Just may look a lil feminine driving it haha.
Question is if it was 99 would you be able to afford all these early 90's cars and mod them? Same as the mid 2000 cars you say arn't good Fr layout they are it's just money and time and cheaper to mod old 240's, 300's, rx7's. Far as a mk4 supra goes have fun at the prices I see those I'd buy a NSX and call it a day.

I respect your opinion as well but I think you kind've said it in a nutshell most of the mid 2000s cars require a swap or nos or tons of bolt ons to really enjoy them. If i was the age I am now during 99 I think I could probably afford everything except a VR4,FD,Supra, and NSX. Realistically in 99 I would've opted for a lightly used FC turbo or a zenki s14(I like the zenki face more than the kouki). I've driven modified versions of all the cars you've mentioned I just prefer cars that don't require motor swaps to enjoy them and that's the biggest issues I have about most of the 2000s car in particular the FRS.

[180sxmaniac]

Subaru Impreza GC8 STi Type R Version V or a 22B

22b's are legendary but they weren't released in North America

[180sxmaniac]

Blah blah blah -

The Z/G are no heavier than the GT-R, Supra and Z32 of yesteryear. They are also just as much a "sports car" as a S-chasis, Supra and the Z-series of the past.

Turbos? Somehow i think that Kei Office car was modified, and honestly, all the 90's turbo cars - in stock trim - suck balls.

They suck big giant hairy lice covered donkey balls.

It's not until you start modifying and upgrading them that anything gets interesting, and honestly, you can modify new N/A cars too... Just look at the success they are having with the FRZ - $6k turbo kits are putting down 400whp. You are swapping the exact same parts on a SR-S13/14 to get the same results, so starting with a suck-ass t25 and 3" IC doesn't exactly mean squat in the end.


The only thing lost from the 90's are some of the crazy over built Japanese engines. The JZ, 4g63, VG30 and 3GSTE come to mind. You could run crazy boost without even opening the engines. SR gets honorable mentions because while they don't make huge numbers like an Evo - they get abused to no end by all the idiot kids that work on them and just take it .


But there is hope. The 4.6 DOHC S/C engine from Ford was and is a fucking monster. Pound for Pound it womps the 2JZ. GM continues to produce mind-boggling LS motors making crazy power and the new FA Subaru motor is everyone's hope for fixing all the issues from that garbage EJ-series.


BMW's turbo motors are also supposedly crazy wicked.

K-series pwnz the B-series
Mazda and Fords turbo engines rock
The 2.4 SRT-4 engine is stuff of legends


You made some good points, Z/G are as heavy as the GTR,Supra, and Z32 only thing is they don't make nearly the power in their stock form. Yes that Kei Office S15 was modified but it had the SpecR Sr20 original motor along with nos and other goodies but not 60k worth of modifications like alot of these sponsored drift cars. Not hating just stating the facts. When on I go on the T86 forums and ask the guys their what kind of mods they've done only a select few( not even 1 out of 10) have voided their warranty and added superchargers/turbos so although that might be an option it's not practical for people who dd their 86 who want to have fun, now maybe for the track junkie or a sponsored driver but not for the mass majority. The original post was regarding in particular JAPANESE FR LAYOUT cars but since you've mentioned GM and BMW we can go there as well. No doubt LS motors are great but I was talking sport cars not muscle cars, there clearly is a difference. BMW has some nice motors available like in their 135i and 335i but when you can get a fully loaded 335i near the same price as the Shelby Gt500 its blasphemous if you ask me. German cars are too expensive to play in,not to mention how heavy they are the people over at BMW really should put their so called sport cars on a diet,but that's just me

[180sxmaniac]

I like how everyone is naming cars they couldn't afford then and even now :) not hating just saying :)

And I would get an 99-00 civic si, best si in the US in my opinion

And

The integra type R too,

Not a fanboy answer either

I almost went on a tirade after reading this lol but it's sunday the lord's day so I'll restrain from taking it up a notch but again I was talking about Japanese FR LAYOUT cars

[180sxmaniac]

yeaaaa soarers are actually still quite a popular car for D1GP as well

(this is the oldest out of all the pictures, and i believe this was the '08 season)
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/IMG_0561_vIPJ_0.jpg

not 90's but you get the idea
http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/AY0F2346.jpg

http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/IMG_0141_0q0g_2.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4103/5059866250_0c06fbf682.jpg


daigo's soarer where he competed in china, and nishida also drove it
8qD6XO7dEcU

nishida actually competed with a soarer last year alongside with daigo
http://www.motormavens.com/emAlbum/albums/Antonio%20Alvendia/Events/Formula%20Drift/2012%20Irwindale/_fullsize/formula-drift-irwindale-IMG_3695.jpg

this is actually the car i wanted before a 240. the potential for them are pretty big


Yes they are, I love Soarers and JZX100's they represented an iconic car that will never be replicated. The Soared and JZX100 for their time were luxurious, standard with leather,ac,cup holders,moonroof,etc all the amenities for dd and yet they still had jz motors and so you could enjoy them at the track and they were more than reliable and weren't very expensive to maintain. We really missed out on these type of cars here in the states, a car that could multi-task on the street and at the track, that were affordable. We did get the Soarer here but Japan never intended for our versions to be modded which is evident by the lack of 5-speeds that were available and the lack of the turbo version of their jz motors that came.

[Corbic]

You made some good points, Z/G are as heavy as the GTR,Supra, and Z32 only thing is they don't make nearly the power in their stock form. Yes that Kei Office S15 was modified but it had the SpecR Sr20 original motor along with nos and other goodies but not 60k worth of modifications like alot of these sponsored drift cars. Not hating just stating the facts. When on I go on the T86 forums and ask the guys their what kind of mods they've done only a select few( not even 1 out of 10) have voided their warranty and added superchargers/turbos so although that might be an option it's not practical for people who dd their 86 who want to have fun, now maybe for the track junkie or a sponsored driver but not for the mass majority. The original post was regarding in particular JAPANESE FR LAYOUT cars but since you've mentioned GM and BMW we can go there as well. No doubt LS motors are great but I was talking sport cars not muscle cars, there clearly is a difference. BMW has some nice motors available like in 135i and 335i but when you can get a fully loaded 335i near the same price as the Shelby Gt500 its blasphemous if you ask me. German cars are too expensive to play,not to mention how heavy they are the poeple over at BMW really ought to put their so called sport cars on a diet,but that's just me

The Modern Japanese sports cars are within 10-30hp of the Super Sports carTs. They turn similar quarter miles for a fraction of the price or complexity while also have loads more safety and technology features.

I don't follow your tangent about the Kei Office car vs other modern pro-drifters. Drifting is a sport - a sport that generates money. Without rules limiting modifications the cars will continue to get more outrageous and expensive. People hate on NASCAR for not being F1 but at the end of the day - only Ferrari competes in F1 while NASCAR has over 180 teams and you still see smaller teams and independence race. This is because the rules in NASCAR make it possible to build and support a car for the fraction of the price of a F1 car. Cheap cars and cheap racing seasons mean more people can play and be competitive. I'm all for a two class Drift-series.

As far as the new FRZ owners not modifying their cars - duh. They are brand new cars. In 1993 people didn't walk into a Toyota dealership, drop 45k down (nearly 65k today) on a Supra TT and immediately modify it for 700whp. Same is true for the 240SX - it wasn't until ~2000 that people began swapping engines and creating the scene we know today.


Muscle cars... MUSCLE CARS. Puhleazzz. That term makes me think of 4,000lb 30ft long cars from the 1960's like the Charger RT, Impala SS and GTO. Today's Pony Cars - the Camaro and Mustang, are fucking killing it. Mustang GT nearly matches and M3 in performance and the Boss fucking body slams it's Teutonic ass into the tarmac. While both are "weighty", they are handle and brake extremely well. Aftermarket is limitless.

The Corvette (LS-engines) is an honest to god sports car, unlike the Supra, 300ZX, 240SX, etc.

As far as BMW's pricing - leave off the options! It's not like a Supra MKIV came with HIDs, DVD Nav, Bluetooth iPond sink, heated-cooled-vibrating-ball-massasing sports seats, SMG III, etc. But I hear you on the price - but as I've stated, the Super Sports cars where all in the $45-60k range back in the day, in today's money. They where only bargain's in that they offered Ferrari + Lamburgini performance numbers for a quarter the price.

[Corbic]

Yes they are, I love Soarers and JZX100's they represented an iconic car that will never be replicated. The Soared and JZX100 for their time were luxurious, standard with leather,ac,cup holders,moonroof,etc all the amenities for dd and yet they still had jz motors and so you could enjoy them at the track and they were more than reliable and weren't very expensive to maintain. We really missed out on these type of cars here in the states, a car that could multi-task on the street and at the track, that were affordable. We did get the Soarer here but Japan never intended for our versions to be modded which is evident by the lack of 5-speeds that were available and the lack of the turbo version of their jz motors that came.


Nobody.


FUCKING NOBODY...

Tracked a SC300 new.

MSRP was $36,700 - that is $60,000 today. The SC430 never moved up in price, it just kept up with inflation. I will admit they are solid cars that have aged very well, when taken car of. Sadly many fell into the hands of inner-city morons looking for a "luxury car" and have been seriously neglected. The car also hides in the shadow of it's brother the Supra.

If they had frameless windows I'd be all over it.

http://ohhw3rd.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/img_6645r1.jpg

[andisan]

I almost went on a tirade after reading this lol but it's sunday the lord's day so I'll restrain from taking it up a notch but again I was talking about Japanese FR LAYOUT cars

Ha we'll it is zilvia, you have to be careful what you post, because they will go for blood, no worries I wouldn't of taken it personal, just trying to contribute to zilvia

[180sxmaniac]

The Modern Japanese sports cars are within 10-30hp of the Super Sports carTs. They turn similar quarter miles for a fraction of the price or complexity while also have loads more safety and technology features.

I don't follow your tangent about the Kei Office car vs other modern pro-drifters. Drifting is a sport - a sport that generates money. Without rules limiting modifications the cars will continue to get more outrageous and expensive. People hate on NASCAR for not being F1 but at the end of the day - only Ferrari competes in F1 while NASCAR has over 180 teams and you still see smaller teams and independence race. This is because the rules in NASCAR make it possible to build and support a car for the fraction of the price of a F1 car. Cheap cars and cheap racing seasons mean more people can play and be competitive. I'm all for a two class Drift-series.

As far as the new FRZ owners not modifying their cars - duh. They are brand new cars. In 1993 people didn't walk into a Toyota dealership, drop 45k down (nearly 65k today) on a Supra TT and immediately modify it for 700whp. Same is true for the 240SX - it wasn't until ~2000 that people began swapping engines and creating the scene we know today.


Muscle cars... MUSCLE CARS. Puhleazzz. That term makes me think of 4,000lb 30ft long cars from the 1960's like the Charger RT, Impala SS and GTO. Today's Pony Cars - the Camaro and Mustang, are fucking killing it. Mustang GT nearly matches and M3 in performance and the Boss fucking body slams it's Teutonic ass into the tarmac. While both are "weighty", they are handle and brake extremely well. Aftermarket is limitless.

The Corvette (LS-engines) is an honest to god sports car, unlike the Supra, 300ZX, 240SX, etc.

As far as BMW's pricing - leave off the options! It's not like a Supra MKIV came with HIDs, DVD Nav, Bluetooth iPond sink, heated-cooled-vibrating-ball-massasing sports seats, SMG III, etc. But I hear you on the price - but as I've stated, the Super Sports cars where all in the $45-60k range back in the day, in today's money. They where only bargain's in that they offered Ferrari + Lamburgini performance numbers for a quarter the price.

Yea I like a few of the american cars on the current market. Z06 and in particular the ShelbyGT500. That car is a blast and is probably the only sport car/super car that is worth it's price. Drove that car few months ago and it's the total package and has everything you would want in a car and it felt great even though it was tail happy even with traction control on. I appreciate cars like that and I would classify that car as fun. I still separate most of the american muscle from the sport car department because I don't feel they're track(not drag strips) friendly cars. Yes they're heavy but they need to be so that those powerful motors don't put the driver at risk for daily driving, I don't have a problem with their weight they definitely are considered GOD at least here on the 405 freeway nothing can compare but on the track they are average at best. I do agree that the MUSCLE CLASS has definitely made serious strides and they have almost evened the playing field if your looking for the best bang for the buck sporty car.

[180sxmaniac]

Nobody.


FUCKING NOBODY...

Tracked a SC300 new.

MSRP was $36,700 - that is $60,000 today. The SC430 never moved up in price, it just kept up with inflation. I will admit they are solid cars that have aged very well, when taken car of. Sadly many fell into the hands of inner-city morons looking for a "luxury car" and have been seriously neglected. The car also hides in the shadow of it's brother the Supra.

If they had frameless windows I'd be all over it.

http://ohhw3rd.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/img_6645r1.jpg


Of course SC300's were never tracked here in the states new, I was speaking more for the people in Japan who track their soarers new, and they've never had any real impact here in the states you'll see a few used for drifting and a few here and there that look dope like in the picture you posted. Yes black people love Lexus it's entry level luxury and the older luxury cars(like the soarer) still have leather,ac,cup holders, and hold good resale value, etc. I always thought it was Outer City morons(bcuz they/we get left out) who screwed up the car scene.

[Bmxer300zx]

I respect your opinion as well but I think you kind've said it in a nutshell most of the mid 2000s cars require a swap or nos or tons of bolt ons to really enjoy them. If i was the age I am now during 99 I think I could probably afford everything except a VR4,FD,Supra, and NSX. Realistically in 99 I would've opted for a lightly used FC turbo or a zenki s14(I like the zenki face more than the kouki). I've driven modified versions of all the cars you've mentioned I just prefer cars that don't require motor swaps to enjoy them and that's the biggest issues I have about most of the 2000s car in particular the FRS.

I hear ya man. But at the same time a s14 isnt all that great in stock form lol it's slow as shit and stock very bland. A z33 is funner and more powerfull stock vs stock. In 99 a s14 being only 3/4yrs old is still gona hold a hefty price tag lol And to swap and mod on top.
Fuck my cressida off the showroom floor was a $28,000 luxury car in 92 haha. I paid $650 for it 3years ago and is the funnest thing I've ever owned to date. But I sure as hell wouldn't pay 10k or w.e it was in 99 and modify it lol. Granted who in their right mind mods a cressida lmao.
I will say I wish it was 99 there's to many illestjdmhellaflush cars and drifters nowdays haha. Evrything is beat to shit from pre 90's as well.

[Corbic]

Yea I like a few of the american cars on the current market. Z06 and in particular the ShelbyGT500. That car is a blast and is probably the only sport car/super car that is worth it's price. Drove that car few months ago and it's the total package and has everything you would want in a car and it felt great even though it was tail happy even with traction control on. I appreciate cars like that and I would classify that car as fun. I still separate most of the american muscle from the sport car department because I don't feel they're track(not drag strips) friendly cars. Yes they're heavy but they need to be so that those powerful motors don't put the driver at risk for daily driving, I don't have a problem with their weight they definitely are considered GOD at least here on the 405 freeway nothing can compare but on the track they are average at best. I do agree that the MUSCLE CLASS has definitely made serious strides and they have almost evened the playing field if your looking for the best bang for the buck sporty car.

Once again, on a tack - like with turns, a Mustang GT nearly matches the holly-grail M3 and the Boss destroys the M3. The Mustang is a solid car on the track stock and with aftermarket can be made into a monster.

[Corbic]

Of course SC300's were never tracked here in the states new, I was speaking more for the people in Japan who track their soarers new, and they've never had any real impact here in the states you'll see a few used for drifting and a few here and there that look dope like in the picture you posted. Yes black people love Lexus it's entry level luxury and the older luxury cars(like the soarer) still have leather,ac,cup holders, and hold good resale value, etc. I always thought it was Outer City morons(bcuz they/we get left out) who screwed up the car scene.

I wasn't trying to infer black people with my urban comment. It was just I've never seen "country folk" go all "ermagawdd it's a lexus/benz/bmw" like I do the morons in the cities.

People of low economic status from the city (regardless of race) buy the busted as luxury cars to show off to they're equally broke ass friends- people from the sticks in similar situations are driving early 90's Tahoes and 80's K2500s with bald O/R tires and cherry bomb exhausts thinking their badd asses.

[KiLLeR2001]

People in the sticks are driving 'Merica.

[180sxmaniac]

Once again, on a tack - like with turns, a Mustang GT nearly matches the holly-grail M3 and the Boss destroys the M3. The Mustang is a solid car on the track stock and with aftermarket can be made into a monster.

Ok I'll take your word on it because I've never been on a time attack track with another mustang so I honestly wouldn't know

[180sxmaniac]

I hear ya man. But at the same time a s14 isnt all that great in stock form lol it's slow as shit and stock very bland. A z33 is funner and more powerfull stock vs stock. In 99 a s14 being only 3/4yrs old is still gona hold a hefty price tag lol And to swap and mod on top.
Fuck my cressida off the showroom floor was a $28,000 luxury car in 92 haha. I paid $650 for it 3years ago and is the funnest thing I've ever owned to date. But I sure as hell wouldn't pay 10k or w.e it was in 99 and modify it lol. Granted who in their right mind mods a cressida lmao.
I will say I wish it was 99 there's to many illestjdmhellaflush cars and drifters nowdays haha. Evrything is beat to shit from pre 90's as well.



Yessir those s14's still hold a hefty price tag, here in socal stock ka zenki's go for almost 10k you would think the president initiated an executive order to intentionally charge drift tax it's pretty bad but your absolutely right all the 90s car are beat to hell. I actually ran into a middle aged guy at a Pep Boys few days ago with a 92 180sx body original stock motor and original red paint job, engine bay looked very clean,everything fully loaded moon roof, power everything, original wheels that looked brand new, he had only 57k on the chassis. I tried to buy it off him right then and there for 4k but he told me it was a hand me down car that he got from his parents so he would never be selling it, but a 90s car like that is virtually impossible to find. I'm just hoping these rx8's keep losing their value so I can buy the body for like 5k and sr swap it!

[180sxmaniac]

Ha we'll it is zilvia, you have to be careful what you post, because they will go for blood, no worries I wouldn't of taken it personal, just trying to contribute to zilvia


yea i was joking, let them go for blood if they want,I'll tell you like Braga told Toretto "don't worry about them,their harmless!"

[Corbic]

I'm just hoping these rx8's keep losing their value so I can buy the body for like 5k and sr swap it!

One on my Craigslist for $2k with s popped motor. Coworker just sold her running, 112k mile RX8 for $5,300. 6spd even.

[silverarrow27]

I was actually able to drive in 1999 and owned the cars I wanted even though they were used.

I was driving a Cressida in 99, wish I would have kept the three Cressida's we had in our family if I knew prices were going to sky rocket on them literally. Couldn't give them away for free from 99-2005ish.

In 2000 I owned a 1990 Celica All Trac Turbo and 89 240sx XE(this one I still own).

[silviavert]

Impreza 2.5RS Coupe

[Bmxer300zx]

One on my Craigslist for $2k with s popped motor. Coworker just sold her running, 112k mile RX8 for $5,300. 6spd even.

Gona say here in n.y theres quit a few on c-list for 4.5-6k
Fairly cheap for how new they're

[Bmxer300zx]

I was actually able to drive in 1999 and owned the cars I wanted even though they were used.

I was driving a Cressida in 99, wish I would have kept the three Cressida's we had in our family if I knew prices were going to sky rocket on them literally. Couldn't give them away for free from 99-2005ish.

In 2000 I owned a 1990 Celica All Trac Turbo and 89 240sx XE(this one I still own).

Depends on where you are I guess.
Get em here in n.y for $500 all the way to 2k depending on condition and what it has done. Just saw a mx83 with coils and wheels for 2.5obo

[omgRWDgoodness!]

Lol, Mustangs. Please. :hey:


In 2000 I owned a 1990 Celica All Trac Turbo and 89 240sx XE(this one I still own).
Now we're talking. Same for me but either a '91-93 or hardtop '94-95 MR2 turbo.

[BoostSlideWayz]

Id be driving my mkiv, even though i was only like 11.

[TougeLove]

I would drive a 2002 WRX and ya'll motherfuckers would be like whaaaaa and im yea bitch im from the future. and then i would have a magic wand and add drift tax to everything.

[AFSil80]

Like I said in the other 'dream car thread'...I'd be driving a 993 GT2.