positive camber...

[Bacon_Fish]

a week ago i hit a "trench" in the road.
destroyed my right front coilover..bent shaft..got a new one.
put wheel on..still camber.
adjusted camber plate..still pos. camber.
then,ball joint looks bent.
control arm isn't bent,but,is there anything else that would
cause thise excessive amount of camber?
help meee,please(:

[jr_ss]

Your control arm is bent and/or the bolt and crossmember are fucked up.

[Bacon_Fish]

i checked,everything is good.
i did find the problem.
my guy that got my coilover,gave me one that has the bottom
for a the left side..so the bottom that mounts to the spindle is wrong..its a left not a right.
therefor causing the hub to be off,causing my wheel to stand the opposite way.

[xoxide]

^Lower mounts on front coilovers arent directional. Left and right doesnt matter.

[Bacon_Fish]

if i flipped this one over it would put the brake line bracket on the opposite side.

[jr_ss]

It doesn't matter though because other than the brake line bracket they are identical. I'm telling you right now that your lower control arm is bent. Pull it off and set it on a flat surface. If it doesn't sit flat, it's bent. I had a similar issue, you can't visually tell if it's bent or not.

[vehicle336]

I'd recommend taking the time and money and having the whole car re-aligned. Who knows what else has been knocked out of spec or wasn't in spec to begin with.

[Bacon_Fish]

i measured the control arm and measured an old one,they were the same,but i will take it off and check;
if they're identical,how would it work if i flipped it over? the bracket ends up on the other side from the brake line.

[Bacon_Fish]

before the coilover got bent,everything was to spec,everything aligned

[jr_ss]

You're not getting what I'm telling you. Minus the brake line bracket, the lower mounts are identical. Meaning you can swap them left to right and it not being an issue.

[Bacon_Fish]

yea i get that,i can cut the bracket off and weld it on the other side..done.
or i can just get another one.

[rebornS14]

i measured the control arm and measured an old one,they were the same,but i will take it off and check;
if they're identical,how would it work if i flipped it over? the bracket ends up on the other side from the brake line.


i would like to know HOW you measured these lca's

[Bacon_Fish]

with a tape measure?
thats besides the point,its not bent,the bolt is not bent,i already know what the problem is.
its being taken care of(:

[jr_ss]

So enlighten us, what is the problem?

[Bacon_Fish]

the bottom mount that we've been arguing about..
im getting the one for the right side of the car..

[Matej]

You're not getting what I'm telling you. Minus the brake line bracket, the lower mounts are identical. Meaning you can swap them left to right and it not being an issue.
Maybe his lower mount is upside down. Some coilovers have the upper bolt hole offset a bit to give negative camber, so upside down it would give positive camber. Though I am not sure if it would be that noticeable.

[jr_ss]

Maybe his lower mount is upside down. Some coilovers have the upper bolt hole offset a bit to give negative camber, so upside down it would give positive camber. Though I am not sure if it would be that noticeable.

It wouldn't be able to move at all if that were the case... He'd be pulling on the control arm, tension rods, and steering linkage to move it that way.

I highly doubt its the coil mount. Seriously, pull the LCA out and lay it on a flat surface. Guarantee you it's bent.

[zerodameaon]

First off this belongs in tech section not chat.

Second the mount being right or left won't dick, if it does fix it, it is not because the side it was supposed to go on but some other crap being wrong with the mount. Ignore the brake line bracket as a lot of coilovers don't even have them and don't have L/R stamped on the mount, how are you supposed to know what side if they were not identical? And you bent a ball joint but did not manage to bend the LCA, how the fuck did you get that lucky?

Did you stop and consider if you swear up and down your control arm is not bent that you may have instead bent your crossmember or the car itself? Could have fucked up the strut tower or the frame.

[Bacon_Fish]

i looked..ball joint is not bent..after replacing a coilover..nothing else is bent.
im 110% sure that the mount is wrong,i will further inspection once i get the other mount.
other then that nothing is bent.

[lalo167]

I had the same problem when i installed my coils. You just need to make sure the offset hole on the bottom mount is on the top! Not the bottom, when you tighten the bolts make sure you push it back.

[fliprayzin240sx]

If you freaking hit hard enough to fuck up the shock, your LCA is fucking bent. No butts or ifs about it. I've hit shit hard enough before that the damn crossmember got tweaked too.

[xoxide]

I truly do not understand why people ask for help/advice but wont listen when you offer it. :bash:

[Bacon_Fish]

I truly do not understand why people ask for help/advice but wont listen when you offer it. :bash:

i was asking until i found out what the problem was,people reaponded prior to me finding out what was wrong

[Bacon_Fish]

If you freaking hit hard enough to fuck up the shock, your LCA is fucking bent. No butts or ifs about it. I've hit shit hard enough before that the damn crossmember got tweaked too.

how about this..i take off the LCA and then personally let you know that its not bent?
deal?

[fliprayzin240sx]

how about this..i take off the LCA and then personally let you know that its not bent?
deal?

Take both side off, lay them next to each other. Better yet, find a spare LCA and compare them. You gotta understand something about these cars, parts like the LCA are designed to bend and break to minimize damage to the frame of the car. Would you rather replace a $150 part or a tweaked frame? Thats one of the reason running solid/aftermarket suspension pieces are bad, you wreck the car, you'd damage alot more than just the suspension.

But hey, the fuck do I know right? Its your car, I'm just letting you know what I've experience from fucking with S14s for the last 12 yrs and crashing from time to time.

[jr_ss]

Flip, you're preaching to the quire. Apparently he knows all and an arbitrary "measurent" confirmed it wasn't bent.

GTFO man, others are confirming what I stated from the get go. Pull the fucking arm and check it out. Once you confirm it's fucked, you can come back here with your tail between your legs and tell us we were right.

[zerodameaon]

Flip, you're preaching to the quire. Apparently he knows all and an arbitrary "measurent" confirmed it wasn't bent.

GTFO man, others are confirming what I stated from the get go. Pull the fucking arm and check it out. Once you confirm it's fucked, you can come back here with your tail between your legs and tell us we were right.

Haha that will never happen, he will either just say it was his mount being from the wrong side or he will never come back.

[Bacon_Fish]

i'll pull it off and take 50 pictures of them side to side,just so i can end all this unnecessary arguing.

[Bacon_Fish]

Haha that will never happen, he will either just say it was his mount being from the wrong side or he will never come back.

even better,i'll take it off and bring it to you..how does that sound?
just so you can see it.

[xoxide]

^That would be greatly appreciated.

[zerodameaon]

Sure but don't expect me to pay for your trip. I know I should not help you anymore because you don't want our help but did you look at your strut tower? They are glued together with knock off unicorn tears and not up to spec.

[Bacon_Fish]

don't even worry about it bruh..i'll cover it..it'll be worth it.

[jr_ss]

I've got money on a bent LCA, who's stacking up the cash with me?

[zerodameaon]

I am still going to say its bent even if it does not look like it, put it up to laser measurements and I got money on 20 years bending it even just a slight bit. lol

[Bacon_Fish]

they're brand new lca
if were putting money down,i say 100 smackers on a coilover mount.

[zerodameaon]

Haha are you just saying that or are they real? Proof?

[zeebrah]

Is this real life???
Your coilover mount?! ? Top or bottom theyre identical on both sides. If u have them with slotted bottoms LISTEN to those before me and flip it over. It threads off the bottom and threads right back on the other way...now would you fathom that...

Something tells me theres a lot of deception going on....youre actually from florida and your car is actually a mustang. Am I right??? That or you truely have a handicap and we're all going to hell for laughing at you

[Bacon_Fish]

Is this real life???
Your coilover mount?! ? Top or bottom theyre identical on both sides. If u have them with slotted bottoms LISTEN to those before me and flip it over. It threads off the bottom and threads right back on the other way...now would you fathom that...

Something tells me theres a lot of deception going on....youre actually from florida and your car is actually a mustang. Am I right??? That or you truely have a handicap and we're all going to hell for laughing at you

woah woah..first of all,ain't no mustang bullshit. second..cali bruh
I KNOW THAT THEY ARE IDENTICAL..
if i flip it over the brake line bracket ends up on the opposite side..
and i know this because i tried it..

oh yea i just had the greatest idea.. why don't all of you get on a plane or drive,to my house,i'll show you that the !LCA! IS NOT BENT aaaaand that the bottom mount on the coilover is identical but i am not flipping it over..im getting another one..the right one. AND i'll pay for it??
sound like a good idea??

[zeebrah]

Why waste my money on it when youre already wasting plenty of your own

Its not coincidence we're all saying the same thing...
And yes maybe the brake line ends up on the wrong side but u said yourself you can cut it off and reattach did you not..
So if u flipped it and still have positive camber then I promise you a new lower mount wont fix it. And you dont strike me as the master mechanic / driver so the fact you keep realizing so much posi camber tells me that there is something else drastically wrong (bent) to be causing this.

[Bacon_Fish]

as a matter of fact im not wasting any money.
why would i cut it off and reweld it when i am getting a new one shipped to me for free? just as i said at the beginning of this post.
don't judge a book by its cover..you don't know me bruh..when i get the right mount and i no longer have camber then you all can go to hell
if my lca arm is bent WHICH ITS NOT BECAUSE I ALREADY CHECKED IT JUST AS I SAID AT THE BEGINING OF THE POST..i will personally hand you 100 dollars.
you ok with that? cuz im pretty neither of you have actually seen the car and i know what im looking at.

[zerodameaon]

Yeah we only have your word to go on and we don't know you as you just stated so why would we take your word that your measurements on the LCA are correct. For all we know you noticed your LCA is beyond fucked and do not want to admit it so you are making up this story about the lower mount. It is entirely possible that someone gave you the wrong lower mount but if you did not see that it is wrong that is again on you.

[Bacon_Fish]

if its the wrong lca then then how come my tension rod bolts to it?
how come my sway bar link bolts to it?
everybody on this post is talking about my lca..at the start of the post i stated that it was not the lca so why the fuck was everyone talking about it??
i said it was not the lca,so why continue?
i don't give a shit if you take my word or not,im the one looking at the car not you guys.
this entire conversation that you guys just had to continue with was a waste of your time.
when,at the start..i said what the problem was.

[zeebrah]

Oh im judging. Youve given us far more insite then does just 'a cover'.
Its like u asked for help and we're still trying to yet you insist on fighting it and telling us how wrong we are. Its because of this personality everyone is shitting on your thread and no one can believe you/take you seriously.
Again its not coincidence were all saying the same thing

[zeebrah]

Because those parts are on bushings ...and move...
No at the stsrt you asked what the problen was. We answered

[Bacon_Fish]

Oh im judging. Youve given us far more insite then does just 'a cover'.
Its like u asked for help and we're still trying to yet you insist on fighting it and telling us how wrong we are. Its because of this personality everyone is shitting on your thread and no one can believe you/take you seriously.
Again its not coincidence were all saying the same thing

i appreciate the help..when i first opened the thread i was asking for help..but then found out what the issue was and i even said what it was and i said i would look into the lca yet people insisted on being dicks about it.

[Bacon_Fish]

Because those parts are on bushings ...and move...
No at the stsrt you asked what the problen was. We answered

you guys answered AFTER i found out what it was..
and then it just continued and continued even after i said i would look into it...

[zeebrah]

And were saying the problem you 'found out' .... is not the problem.

[Bacon_Fish]

And were saying the problem you 'found out' .... is not the problem.

i'll bet my car that what i found is right.

[zeebrah]

I have no interest in your bent to shit car.

[Bacon_Fish]

mm hmm
i put a brand new coilover on,so nothing is bent(:

[FaLKoN240]

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/39906701.jpg

[Bacon_Fish]

tomorrow i'll take a picture of the NOT BENT ANYTHING
and i'll show you..just so i can not listen to people being an ass.
i tried having a nice conversation with people on ZILVIA.NET! but no

[Bacon_Fish]

http://cdn.meme.li/instances/300x300/9906701.jpg

you really must have a bunch of time on your hands to find a meme.. congratulations.

[zerodameaon]

When did I say wrong LCA? I said lower mount, as in lower coilover mount vs the upper coilover mount that bolts to the strut tower. Find a meme, he has them saved to his hard drive because this stuff comes around all the time.

[zeebrah]

Watch him take pics tomorrow and the car is just fuckin mangled to all shit and hes been trolling this whole time

[Bacon_Fish]

When did I say wrong LCA? I said lower mount, as in lower coilover mount vs the upper coilover mount that bolts to the strut tower. Find a meme, he has them saved to his hard drive because this stuff comes around all the time.

i have no idea..and yea its the bottom one..that bolts to the spindle..idk if people had that these to confused or not.
i reall do nit want to continue with all this..yes people helped..yes people had there opinions.
ok i ge that.
leave it alone.
were grown men....aren't we??...

[FaLKoN240]

WRONG.

I actually made it.

This is ridiculous.

You haven't solved SHIT.

If you HIT a ditch, the coilover mount is the LEAST of your worries.

You probably BENT the lower control arm closest to the crossmember where you can't tell.

Until you take off that LCA or look at the crossmember to inspect it, that coilover mount isnt gonna fix shit.

I bet there are some heat marks where it warped when it bent.

Also this thread sucks because there are NO pics.

[Bacon_Fish]

Watch him take pics tomorrow and the car is just fuckin mangled to all shit and hes been trolling this whole time

that would be funny,but,i love my s13,i don't want it mangled)':
i would be heartbroken

[zeebrah]

'Had these to confused or not' .. 'I reall do nit want'... 'there opinions'... 'I ge that'....
Now how could anyone ever get confused with well executed speech like this

And nope. Im a little girl

[Bacon_Fish]

oh and btw,how do i upload pics?
i never actually knew how...
i wanna post a pic the bent coilover.

[Bacon_Fish]

WRONG.

I actually made it.

This is ridiculous.

You haven't solved SHIT.

If you HIT a ditch, the coilover mount is the LEAST of your worries.

You probably BENT the lower control arm closest to the crossmember where you can't tell.

Until you take off that LCA or look at the crossmember to inspect it, that coilover mount isnt gonna fix shit.

I bet there are some heat marks where it warped when it bent.

Also this thread sucks because there are NO pics.


i already solved my problem?
and there are no pics because i haven't taken any?
so your paragraph is just here why?
cuz everything is taken care of?
and idk why your still on here?

[KiLLeR2001]

He's not going to post pics until after he replaces his LCA. Anyone who wants a legitimate opinion on damage will post up pictures of the troubled area because a picture tells a 1000 words. Clearly, this asshat doesn't know very much judging by the shit spewing out of his mouth.

Guaranteed hes rocking Godspeed/ISIS/Megan/<insert junk brand coilover here>. I mean for a coilover to do what he is stating has to be of extremely low quality. Like you look at that shit wrong it's gonna bend the other way.

[Rustys14]

Guaranteed hes rocking Godspeed/ISIS/Megan/<insert junk brand coilover here>. I mean for a coilover to do what he is stating has to be of extremely low quality. Like you look at that shit wrong it's gonna bend the other way.

I disagree, while I'm sure the OP is running lower end coils, even high end coils will bend/break if you hit something as hard as it sounds like he did.

OP I have bent two LCAs over the last 3 years from doing dirt drops at my local track. If you hit something hard enough to break a strut/coilover I can guarantee that your LCA is toast, either that or you are the luckiest person in the world. Even if the LCA is fine, I don't see how you could claim to have broken a strut/coilover without doing serious damage to other parts of the suspension.

[KiLLeR2001]

I disagree, while I'm sure the OP is running lower end coils, even high end coils will bend/break if you hit something as hard as it sounds like he did.

That's what I'm saying though. Going by his story 100% as truth, it would mean that the coilover is weaker than the LCA. Under what circumstances would a coilover mount bend/warp and the LCA be 100% straight? Jank ass coilovers, thats what.

[yomisiu]

i wonder whats going on in this thre-
http://i.imgur.com/9I5es.gif

[jr_ss]

i wonder whats going on in this thre-
http://i.imgur.com/9I5es.gif

Haha, I approve...

[Rustys14]

That's what I'm saying though. Going by his story 100% as truth, it would mean that the coilover is weaker than the LCA. Under what circumstances would a coilover mount bend/warp and the LCA be 100% straight? Jank ass coilovers, thats what.

Oh, I see where you are coming from now, good point.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Best part is 3 pages of him bitching how we're fucking wrong but not a single fucking picture posted up to back his damn claims. Post up a picture of the fucking LCA and the coilover mount. Shit we dont even know what kind of shitty coilover it is.

Fuck it, I'm done with this thread. Why are we feeding a fucking troll since he already know whats wrong with it.

[FaLKoN240]

i already solved my problem?
and there are no pics because i haven't taken any?
so your paragraph is just here why?
cuz everything is taken care of?
and idk why your still on here?

Yeah, apparently, since you're telling EVERYONE that they're wrong, and you know what's wrong with your car. Sounds like a SOLVED MYSTERY to me.

It's an open forum, I can post wherever I want to.

Best part is 3 pages of him bitching how we're fucking wrong but not a single fucking picture posted up to back his damn claims. Post up a picture of the fucking LCA and the coilover mount. Shit we dont even know what kind of shitty coilover it is.

Fuck it, I'm done with this thread. Why are we feeding a fucking troll since he already know whats wrong with it.

I came in this thread to see why there were two pages of banter back and forth between this moron.

[scottie]

Too bad the ditch didn't total the car and save all of us from this pointless thread.

[jesse_s13]

THREAD JACK
Since this guy already started this thread but doesn't take advice given to him I will take this opportunity to ask for advice since I am in the same situation.

STORY: Long story short to avoid an accident I ran over a curb on my right front side of my car at about 10mph, resulting in a bent CoilOver so I thought. Once I sent to the Coilover to get rebuild (Fortune auto) I noticed that the Wheel still sat sunken a (About +5-10mm) than the Left Front.

Already tried:

-Getting the coilover Rebuilt 2x's (New shaft)
-New lower control arm
- Alignment

Is it possible that my crossmember bent as well?

Picture of the damage before the rebuild. Had about -6.0 camber before the rebuild.
http://www.bmx-forum.com/content/type/61/id/115619/width/600/height/450
After Re Build.
http://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2_0_0_1_1284874_AKrTimIAAASVUewSJwAAA ES5EqQ&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1
Slightly different Angle
http://us-mg5.mail.yahoo.com/ya/download?mid=2_0_0_1_1285663_AKrTimIAAAR5UewUSAAAA O5WINI&pid=2&fid=Inbox&inline=1

[zeebrah]

^yes

Msglength

[zeebrah]

Or strut tower area is fucked. Tho at 10 mph ud have to be quite the unlucky guy for thay to happen unless you hit it dead on with that wheel. But still very possible

[jr_ss]

Last two photos aren't working for me.

[jesse_s13]

Fixed:
http://oi42.tinypic.com/1qfl7o.jpg

[zeebrah]

Did your hood always not line up

[jesse_s13]

Did your hood always not line up

No it has always been like that. Its been cracked since I bought it.

[jr_ss]

When you swapped out FLCA's did you look at the crossmember bolt and mounting hole? I know when I trashed my pass LCA, I bent the bolt and oblonged the hole in the crossmember.

[jesse_s13]

When you swapped out FLCA's did you look at the crossmember bolt and mounting hole? I know when I trashed my pass LCA, I bent the bolt and oblonged the hole in the crossmember.

To be honest I didn't but I don't remember having trouble installing the new LCA.

Im left to believe my strut tower maybe tweaked or possible bent subframe?

[jr_ss]

To be honest I didn't but I don't remember having trouble installing the new LCA.

Im left to believe my strut tower maybe tweaked or possible bent subframe?

Do you have an FSM? You can take a bunch of measurements using the FSM to see if you did.

I'd also pull the LCA bolt to crossmember out and see if it's bent or the bolt holes are oblonged.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Wow, never seen a strut bend like that. Try loosening the perch, load up the suspension, then tighten the bolts up. But did you check the cross member to see if its pushed over? Like already said, check the bolt hole for the LCA but I'd also check the cross member mounting holes to the frame. Just seems like its pushed in excessively, almost like the frame is tweaked (hopefully not).

[jesse_s13]

Wow, never seen a strut bend like that. Try loosening the perch, load up the suspension, then tighten the bolts up. But did you check the cross member to see if its pushed over? Like already said, check the bolt hole for the LCA but I'd also check the cross member mounting holes to the frame. Just seems like its pushed in excessively, almost like the frame is tweaked (hopefully not).

I actually did forget to "load" the suspension like you mentioned, I did do a visual exception of the suspension components and everything looked good.

I will go back and check the LCA bolt hole. Honestly I don't think my original LCA was bent to begin with because the wheel offset looked the same.

Thanks for all the replies I appreciate your time.

Edit: This is a picture of the damage from an outside perspective before the coilover rebuild. I apologize for the low quality had to dig it up from Instagram.
http://oi41.tinypic.com/2nl9ruw.jpg

[ghoti]

Already tried:

-Getting the coilover Rebuilt 2x's (New shaft)
-New lower control arm
- Alignment

Is it possible that my crossmember bent as well?



No dude you did it all wrong, just get a new lower coilover mount. FA gave you the wrong side one.:smash:

[Drift_FX]

lol does that cop car in the background say fresh?!

[jesse_s13]

No dude you did it all wrong, just get a new lower coilover mount. FA gave you the wrong side one.:smash:

I never thought of that. I don't think FA gave me the wrong one but they didn't replace it during the rebuild.
You are talking about this piece right? Picture used for reference not my actual coilover
http://oi40.tinypic.com/28bw9vo.jpg

[xoxide]

^He was being sarcastic because dumbass OP thinks that the lower mounts are different left to right.

[jesse_s13]

^He was being sarcastic because dumbass OP thinks that the lower mounts are different left to right.

I thought he was suggesting it was bent or damaged.

[zerodameaon]

You should be good, it was a joke in reference to something the OP said.

[jr_ss]

lol does that cop car in the background say fresh?!

At a quick glance it looks like it, but it actually says Fresno.

[zerodameaon]

Fresno Smooth is the first thing I thought about when I saw the cop car. How many of you know about that?

[zerodameaon]

It would seem I was right, doubt he is coming back.

[bc.]

In for the R Kelly treatment to the OP:drama:
Where did he go???

[fliprayzin240sx]

Replacing his lower control arm then gonna take pictures of it to show us we are wrong...