S13 driver on RU Faster than a Redneck on Speed

[Silverbullet]

I don't watch TV often, however when I turned on the TV last night, there was a show on Speed called RU Faster than a Redneck where the premis is about Domestics VS Imports. They do it in a commical manner where they have a group of rednecks making fun of the import compeditors and finding American Muscles to go against them in a short road race.

One of the challengers was someone named Joey, who drove a pink RHD S13 with Silvia face from SC. Its apparent it is a drift car and he has experience in drifting. Is this person on here, or perhaps Carolina 240 or SWD community?

http://ts2.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4950912887884233&pid=1.7

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=faster+than+redneck+s13+pink&mid=76AFECF7827568B83F8076AFECF7827568B83F80&view=detail&FORM=VIRE3

I'd like to see if he has any interest in chiming in and sharing his experience on the show!

[souljaseth33]

I watched it, he almost got beat by that F250 PowerStroke haha.

[Silverbullet]

lulz.

Its pretty apparent that the show is very much staged.

I just barley got a glimps of the underhood shot, and it looked as if it had a top mounted turbo of some sort. Assuming atleast 350WHP (400-450 capable from the compressor size), that would make it the fastest car on the track on the episode. During his lap, you can tell when he was pushing it, and when he wasn't. Most of the race with the F250, he was just cruising other than the few drifts he did.

Keeping in mind that the laps are timed, theres no reason why he would be drifting, especially since not only is he racing against a domestic, but his time would be compared to his import team mate, the girl with the Minicooper- who got a better lap time.
A stock engined Mini has no chance against a 350WHP+ S13 if it was actually raced to its potential.

[marks14]

That's Joe Gorcesky, he's a local NC/SC drifter.

[vehicle336]

Fantastic, glad they chose a fucking pink car to represent imports. No respect earned and none given I'm assuming. Never seen this show, but if it's what I think it is, it's probably the worst thing to happen to the import scene since 2fass2furrryous.

[souljaseth33]

He seemed to be more show-boating and drifting while during the race. That could be the slower lap times.

[brndck]

You have to remember what "speed" channels demographic is..... Nascar lovin rednecks.
The show appears to be very closed to rigged, if not outright staged.
Can speed channel go back to showing actual RACING now???

sorry for the rant, but i miss being able to watch F1, SCCA and speed challenge, motogp, WRC and actual RACES instead of just PINKS and that other lame show where they try to guess how fast the car will run the 1320. Oh and FUCK "Unique Whips".

[racepar1]

That dude was a total dumbfuck. He also had no clue how to drive that car. All dude was good for was getting sideways, and I didn't even think he was all that good at that. I could have whooped that F250 in a wheelchair...

It is an entertaining show though. I don't mind watching it...

[lude4life13]

I am 90% sure he wasn't trying and simply putting on a show, doing what the producers wanted him to do. This episode was a big joke though. They usually have nice cars on there, both import and domestic.

[zerodameaon]

You have to remember what "speed" channels demographic is..... Nascar lovin rednecks.
The show appears to be very closed to rigged, if not outright staged.
Can speed channel go back to showing actual RACING now???

sorry for the rant, but i miss being able to watch F1, SCCA and speed challenge, motogp, WRC and actual RACES instead of just PINKS and that other lame show where they try to guess how fast the car will run the 1320. Oh and FUCK "Unique Whips".

Agreed, but it seems that every channel like that, discovery, history, TLC is going that way. Can we have racing and real informative shows back, not racing rednecks and honey boo boo.

[Matej]

Fantastic, glad they chose a fucking pink car to represent imports.
Do not pretend that there is not a bunch of pink/gaudy, sticker-bombed, plasti-dipped, 'missile' 240SX's running around. They outnumber the nice ones. :)

[fliprayzin240sx]

Fortune Auto brought out their race spec EG hatch to the show. They ended up blowing the engine right when they crossed the finish line...

http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g342/eg6_bryan/picsay-1317612836.jpg

[SupaDoopa]

That show is so retarded. Obviously staged. Entertaining but staged.

[ZeroNine]

The show isn't staged, I worked on the production of the first few episodes. Its just cheesy.

[racepar1]

The show isn't staged, I worked on the production of the first few episodes. Its just cheesy.

Yeah, I didn't think so. It's good to hear it from someone who is actually EXPERIENCED...

[Silverbullet]

Fortune Auto brought out their race spec EG hatch to the show. They ended up blowing the engine right when they crossed the finish line...

http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g342/eg6_bryan/picsay-1317612836.jpg

I'm sure they'll get a good laugh at an import blowing its motor lol.

The show isn't staged, I worked on the production of the first few episodes. Its just cheesy.

Completely unstaged? In the episode with the S13, there are obvious shots of it not accelerating out of a turn, but just kind of coasting in front of the truck during the "race". And why would he be drifting? It seems like the director instructed Joe to do so, and not to put too much distance between it and the truck its racing against.

[SupaDoopa]

That S13 should have annihilated the F250. I mean, he had to restart the truck. If it isn't staged, the kid was being a douche. Power to weight etc. was all against the truck yet it was on his ass even after going off course? You could literally hear the S13 not accelerating at all most of the race other than when he was just sliding around.

[MedHat240sx]

I'm sure they'll get a good laugh at an import blowing its motor lol.



Completely unstaged? In the episode with the S13, there are obvious shots of it not accelerating out of a turn, but just kind of coasting in front of the truck during the "race". And why would he be drifting? It seems like the director instructed Joe to do so, and not to put too much distance between it and the truck its racing against.

I work as a apprentice heavy dutie mechanic and we do alot of high power diesel performance and from the looks of it that f250 is a 6.0 the slowest and shittiest powerstroke on the market. even with it done up it has no chance against a Sr20 with 300+ horse. i myself own a 250+ horse 240sx and have raced some of the customers in our shop with there fords which have minimax and aftermarket high horse injectors and my car still has a good pull on there trucks. Let alone in a cornering enviorment there is something highly staged in this episode.

[racepar1]

Yeah, you guys are right. IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!! Speed channel is intentionally plotting against 240's. It couldn't be that the "driver" was as much of a jackass as he seemed to be. I mean 240 owners are NEVER jackasses, now are they???

[MedHat240sx]

Yeah, you guys are right. IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!! Speed channel is intentionally plotting against 240's. It couldn't be that the "driver" was as much of a jackass as he seemed to be. I mean 240 owners are NEVER jackasses, now are they???

I mean i have no doubt in diesel power but the thing is the only way that truck would wreck that 240 is if it had around 50k plus invested into it. probally would need more considering a stock powerstroke tranny will start to fuck off once you start upping the power levels. Now if this was a Cummins i could see it destroying the 240 considering weve had 1200hp dodges in our shop and they dont need alot of stuff done to them to make them fast.

[racepar1]

Why are you so concerned with how modified the truck was? That 240 was a COMPLETE POS just to start with. The driver of the 240 was also a COMPLETE POS. My buddy used ro rail on motherfuckers in the malibu mountains in his parents Astro van. Why? Because he grew up on those roads and actually knew how to drive. "Drifters" suck at driving ACTUALLY fast 9 times out of 10. They know NOTHING about an actual racing line. I just don't see any point to telling the 240 guy to drive slow and let the chick win. What's the point of that? I mean he STILL won HIS race, his lap time was just slower.

[hotlavaflow]

Oh and FUCK "Unique Whips".

LOL I agree 1,000,000%

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

so. not only is the truck slower than an ugly pink s13 driven shittily, it's slower than a mini cooper driven by a girl. not sure why rednecks would wanna rig a TV show to have those results. just sayin'.

[Silverbullet]

Why are you so concerned with how modified the truck was? That 240 was a COMPLETE POS just to start with. The driver of the 240 was also a COMPLETE POS. My buddy used ro rail on motherfuckers in the malibu mountains in his parents Astro van. Why? Because he grew up on those roads and actually knew how to drive. "Drifters" suck at driving ACTUALLY fast 9 times out of 10. They know NOTHING about an actual racing line. I just don't see any point to telling the 240 guy to drive slow and let the chick win. What's the point of that? I mean he STILL won HIS race, his lap time was just slower.

I would have to disagree racepar1, and I understand your bias for taking credit away from anyone who is involved in drifting.

Reguardless whether racing or drifting, that seat time translates into both fields to an extent. Both are a skill in car control and that control comes down to feeling the maximum grip force, and transient responses the car exibits. It appears Joe has been drifting for some time in the grass roots level. I am confident he knows the basics of grip driving.

It makes more sense for the producers to have him show off some drifting because A. it is a drift car, and B. drifting is a large portion of the Japanese car tuning scene and that is the character they needed for this episode. If not, it would just be like every other episode.

[racepar1]

I would have to disagree racepar1, and I understand your bias for taking credit away from anyone who is involved in drifting.

Reguardless whether racing or drifting, that seat time translates into both fields to an extent. Both are a skill in car control and that control comes down to feeling the maximum grip force, and transient responses the car exibits. It appears Joe has been drifting for some time in the grass roots level. I am confident he knows the basics of grip driving.

It makes more sense for the producers to have him show off some drifting because A. it is a drift car, and B. drifting is a large portion of the Japanese car tuning scene and that is the character they needed for this episode. If not, it would just be like every other episode.

For god's sake...

You're right, IT'S A CONSPIRACY!!! The silent black helicopters actually belong to Speed channel, not the CIA!

It is against FCC regulations to "rig" a competition show. In the end, the rednecks STILL lost. Yeah, that makes sense...

Sliding sideways has little to do with driving at maximum attack. Car control is great and all, but it's not what makes you fast. Drift cars are also set-up like complete dog shit 99.99999% of the time.

[ghoti]

Everybody above me just got trolled by racepar1

[NHTKID]

lol you're right its not a conspiracy but its evident that the 240 on the last lap was just cruising around the track regardless what anyone may say..

[zo0d]

Or maybe he wanted the chic in the mini to win? There is no way he was even half trying to win.

Idk too many people that would pass up on 10k though.

[racepar1]

I'm not saying that what the dude did and how he was driving made sense. I'm just saying that it was not "rigged". That is against FCC regulations for that kind of show and it makes no sense whatsoever to "rig" it so that the rednecks still lose. I think he got cocky and simply dismissed the possibility that the Mini could run a faster lap time. Maybe he was supremely confident that the Mini would lose it's race. Whatever the reason may be the dude was not driving worth a crap. I refuse to believe that it was staged that way, it makes no sense.

[S12 Drifter]

have you seen the SSP GT-R episode? i believe it is not rigged at all. but they should have paid the BMW driver for the damage done.

[chrislikesthings]

I know joe personally, ill link him to this post and we can see what he says.

[JoeZrhdsil80]

Racepar 1 you are the fucking man. Your observation is amazing for just 10 minutes of tv time. yeah that was me on there. You know its pieces of shit like you that give a zilvia a bad name hence why i just registered to bitch you out. If you are so good why werent you on tv?? and did anyone notice i beat the old chevy truck that beat the mini cooper?? and if your observation was better you would have heard my car kept blowing off my intercooler couplings bc i just got the car painted and put together literally the day before. They wanted a show yes. And i bet you couldnt beat those year one cars either with professional drivers. so even if you do good they bust out the 1000 hp tube chassis car with brakes bigger than wheels. Really it was just a fun time and free drifting which they dont have there. My sr at the time had 400 whp with a precision turbo home made manifold and lots of ebay parts. When were there standards for drift cars?? oh yeah when fan boys like you entered the scene. Ive been drifting since 06, and you were most likely in middle school. I dont really act like that it was for show. I am actually a nice guy and a helpful name in the southeast drift community, so research before you judge e thug. My car now has a vvl head full race manifol and borg warner turbo so you can suck it you cali *snip. Zilvia=ethugs for life!! wooooo. and pink cars rock, i was inspired by the crazy jap fucks, rhd silvia front sr20 not ls1, its just what i like. let me guess you have a "stanced out" pretty s14 or something.

[DirtyMyrlte]

Joe G is my boy and its funny with people like this, haters lol running their mouth over something that was on for 10 mins. Now we all know everything about Joe in 10 mins lol funny shit I love it, I love everyone of you. You gave us something to talk about and laugh during some beers, thanks. Just keep watching your reality t.v. shows and enjoy.

[JoeZrhdsil80]

sorry if i came off too dickish but thats for racepar1. silverbullet it was fun and the rednecks are actually really cool car guys. it wasnt riged but controlled. lots of fun tho and an experience

[DJ-of-E]

So which was it? Did you seriously drive those times or did they tell you to mess around?

It's hard to tell what's what because the camera angles and editing made it very confusing to judge, at time, questionable. That's why track cars have multiple camera views running simultaneously to judge both race technique and actual performance of vehicle.

BTW, I wish you weren't so angry in your post to racepar1. Could've tone it down a bit and sound like a bigger man.

On auto-x, the cars with the fastest times are the ones that looked slow with little tire screeching.

[racepar1]

Racepar 1 you are the fucking man. Your observation is amazing for just 10 minutes of tv time. yeah that was me on there. You know its pieces of shit like you that give a zilvia a bad name hence why i just registered to bitch you out. If you are so good why werent you on tv?? and did anyone notice i beat the old chevy truck that beat the mini cooper?? and if your observation was better you would have heard my car kept blowing off my intercooler couplings bc i just got the car painted and put together literally the day before. They wanted a show yes. And i bet you couldnt beat those year one cars either with professional drivers. so even if you do good they bust out the 1000 hp tube chassis car with brakes bigger than wheels. Really it was just a fun time and free drifting which they dont have there. My sr at the time had 400 whp with a precision turbo home made manifold and lots of ebay parts. When were there standards for drift cars?? oh yeah when fan boys like you entered the scene. Ive been drifting since 06, and you were most likely in middle school. I dont really act like that it was for show. I am actually a nice guy and a helpful name in the southeast drift community, so research before you judge e thug. My car now has a vvl head full race manifol and borg warner turbo so you can suck it you cali *snip. Zilvia=ethugs for life!! wooooo. and pink cars rock, i was inspired by the crazy jap fucks, rhd silvia front sr20 not ls1, its just what i like. let me guess you have a "stanced out" pretty s14 or something.

So, what you're saying is that you had a bunch of problems because your car was half-assed together. Thanks, you just proved my point about how crappily set-up most "drift" cars are. Good job bragging about all your e-bay parts too, e-bay is the shit.

You had issues, you drove like crap, you seemed more concerned with drifting than winning anything. That's all I said, you just confirmed it. Why all the anger?

I'm 30 dude, I was in middle school before you were. I DO have plenty of on-track experience, I DO NOT drift. I am perfectly qualified to critique your driving. I am NOT and expert professional, NOT perfect. There are things about my own driving that I can work on. I never said I could beat the rednecks in any car they choose. I COULD put up a better fight than you did in the end. I could at least run a faster time than the Mini, even with a stock KA.

I am the FARTHEST thing from a fanboy that you will find here. I am all about road racing, function > form. I hate hellaflush BS. I hate bright fanboy colors. I am also NOT an S14 fan. ALL your assumptions are COMPLETELY wrong. It appears that MY assumptions were pretty much spot-on...

[JoeZrhdsil80]

yeah, it was thrown together because of time. i dont have those parts anymore. i have legit shit now. if youre 30 what are you doing being a critic on some forum, go get a life. Bigger man? idc. ill say it how it is just like him. like i said i beat the truck that beat the mini so what does that tell you? i signed so many papers i cant talk about it too much. i was on the show for my bright color and sideways driving, that is all. they wanted an asshole so i gave them one. obviously there wasnt enough evidence to make a proper diagnosis. you just talked alot of shit racepar. the fortuneauto eg was legit tho right?? yeah thats todd reid. he is the man. his shit blew up unfortunetly. what was he running? k20 ebay turbo swet up, and he got 2nd at world time attack at road atlanta, so ebay can win, suck it again. heres my set up now. ill leave with that bc i am sure more ethugs will be on here. maybe ill see you at the track one day. where real people can actually talk shit for real instead of e thuging. sr20vet BW turbo full race excessive intake aem ems

[DirtyMyrlte]

30 years old and cooler online.

[JoeZrhdsil80]

http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab306/jomama8522/image-1.jpg (http://s874.photobucket.com/user/jomama8522/media/image-1.jpg.html) :w00t:

[s14k]

Love it joe car looks good now

[racepar1]

If you're 28 what are you doing justifying your sub-par setup and performance online? Then you go and justify yourself more by bragging about your new setup. Just let it go. I'm sure you have your own reasons for doing what you did and that's fine. That doesn't mean the rest of us have to agree.

I figured you couldn't let too many details loose due to confidentiality agreements as well. I would think that's pretty standard stuff for TV shows.

Why must you make even more assumptions about me? I never even made one single comment about that Civic or ANY other car that has EVER competed on that show.

Unfortuanetly I highly doubt we will ever meet at an event. You're in Myrtle Beach, I'm in So-Cal, I doubt our paths will cross. I had good reason for making the comments that I did. Yes, I was much more of an asshole than was completely necessary. Oh well, I call it like I see it. As it turns out I was actually pretty damned close to correct, albeit overly insulting...

If, in fact, you WERE instructed as to how you were supposed to drive and the results were fixed then I do apologise. From my perspective that is not the case, at least not entirely, but I could be wrong...

[S12 Drifter]

I am the FARTHEST thing from a fanboy that you will find here. I am all about road racing, function > form. I hate hellaflush BS. I hate bright fanboy colors. I am also NOT an S14 fan. ALL your assumptions are COMPLETELY wrong. It appears that MY assumptions were pretty much spot-on...

as much as we have disagreements sometimes i have to agree with this you are my hero. Function over form always.

bro your car was a piece of shit. my Z would have murdered the mini.

lastly i dont give a fuck who you are drifting is not a motor sport and should be left in the parking lot.

[S12 Drifter]

http://i874.photobucket.com/albums/ab306/jomama8522/image-1.jpg (http://s874.photobucket.com/user/jomama8522/media/image-1.jpg.html) :w00t:


that car could have so much more potential with a FJ/CA/KA/RB/VK even.

the SR20 has a horrible rod to stroke ratio and bore to stroke pfftt. shitty motor is shitty.

[DJ-of-E]

If, in fact, you WERE instructed as to how you were supposed to drive and the results were fixed then I do apologise. From my perspective that is not the case, at least not entirely, but I could be wrong...

i was on the show for my bright color and sideways driving, that is all.

Can't tell if sarcasm or not.

haha, this thread reminds me of race wars between Z vs Mustang where they picked out pretty much a really bad 350z and driver. Z driver was chose because no other Z driver in southeast U.S. want to step up. The mustang, on the other hand, was an SCCA wheel to wheel entrant ^_^;;; So Mustang showed up ready to race... the Z simply showed up. Then the cameras rolled on Forum Wars and the rest is history

[godsmack]

as much as we have disagreements sometimes i have to agree with this you are my hero. Function over form always.

bro your car was a piece of shit. my Z would have murdered the mini.

lastly i dont give a fuck who you are drifting is not a motor sport and should be left in the parking lot.

And who the fuck are you? Formula drift now I wouldn't consider that a motor sport but real drifting is a motor sport. It follows the same characteristics as road racing. They usually follow the same lines.

But I guess that you would consider drag racing more of a motor sport than drifting right? That's all about the car and not the driver when it comes to bracket racing which is what most drag racing is.

[DJ-of-E]

And who the fuck are you? Formula drift now I wouldn't consider that a motor sport but real drifting is a motor sport. It follows the same characteristics as road racing. They usually follow the same lines.

But I guess that you would consider drag racing more of a motor sport than drifting right? That's all about the car and not the driver when it comes to bracket racing which is what most drag racing is.

Let's chill out in this thread. It's starting to get a little :mepoke::wtf::faint:

Making assumptions and statements, replying with quotes where other person didn't say anything. :rolleyes:

[racepar1]

I do not condone the statements or actions of Mr. S12drifter. I thoroughly apologise for any hand I had in encouraging him in his posts...

Can't tell if sarcasm or not.

haha, this thread reminds me of race wars between Z vs Mustang where they picked out pretty much a really bad 350z and driver. Z driver was chose because no other Z driver in southeast U.S. want to step up. The mustang, on the other hand, was an SCCA wheel to wheel entrant ^_^;;; So Mustang showed up ready to race... the Z simply showed up. Then the cameras rolled on Forum Wars and the rest is history

I'm dead serious, if it was staged I apologise for my comments. Some of the things the guy has said in this thread have me doubting...

And who the fuck are you? Formula drift now I wouldn't consider that a motor sport but real drifting is a motor sport. It follows the same characteristics as road racing. They usually follow the same lines.

But I guess that you would consider drag racing more of a motor sport than drifting right? That's all about the car and not the driver when it comes to bracket racing which is what most drag racing is.

The problem with drifting as a true motorsport is the scoring is purely subjective. It makes it an arguable discussion. In racing you have lap times and who crosses the finish first. In drifting you have basically who do the judges think is the awesomest, based purely on opinion. Now, I'm not completely discounting it as a motorsport, I'm just saying it is arguable in either direction.

What makes FD not "real" drifting? As far as I can tell it's as real as any other drifting...

[godsmack]

Yes it's drifting but like you said they score it as who has the better paying sponser for the most part. FD is what got me to not drift anymore but it still deserves its spot as a motor sport.

[gbaby2089]

And who the fuck are you? Formula drift now I wouldn't consider that a motor sport but real drifting is a motor sport. It follows the same characteristics as road racing. They usually follow the same lines.

But I guess that you would consider drag racing more of a motor sport than drifting right? That's all about the car and not the driver when it comes to bracket racing which is what most drag racing is.

Formula D is on a lower level than grass roots dudes attempting to drift? Formula D at its best is some of drifting's finest, FD just lacks the depth that used to be seen in D1GP.

[godsmack]

Formula D is on a lower level than grass roots dudes attempting to drift? Formula D at its best is some of drifting's finest, FD just lacks the depth that used to be seen in D1GP.

And I agree with you. They have some of the best drifters. But drifting isn't about the way fd scores it. That's why I considered it not real drifting.

[EsChassisLove]

The amount of butthurt it in here is absolutely assanine.

[KiLLeR2001]

Sad. Castro's stock KA was more enjoyable to watch than this crap.

[racepar1]

Yes it's drifting but like you said they score it as who has the better paying sponser for the most part. FD is what got me to not drift anymore but it still deserves its spot as a motor sport.

So, the guy with the most money wins?

That sounds EXCATLY like a REAL motorsport. The guy with the most money almost always wins in ANY motorsport. You should boycott racing in general and buy a Prius if that's your gripe...

[Hoffman5982]

What's funny/sad is that, even though it's clearly staged, the domestic meat heads are most likely gloating about it and using it in their arsenal for all those domestics are better than import debates that they always feel the need to start.

[DirtyMyrlte]

just like i told you today Joe "you got people talking about you on the other side of the country" lol bad ass huh. The way i see it....its the internet everything gets blown up different then in person but i will say this Joe G is one of the coolest dudes you would ever meet and also a great friend. so ..... MACK 10 lmao !!!

[s14SRguy]

:hide:

for real, stop arguing like children

lol, saw the episode, thought it was badass they even had an s13 on the show in first place, and that is a nice car.

I feel its staged in the sense that they pick what they race, looked like some crazy fast cars and shit in the background when they're walking and picking who theyr gonna race. Like "no no that will shit on us, hey this one might work out nicely" Not staged in the sense "you do this, only this"

Congrats on being on the show!

[SuperBlackS14]

Kinda want to go watch the Episode now...

Most of the guys on here that "e-thug" as it was put, have been here/there/in the scene/motorsports long enough to earn it. I personally see nothing wrong with throwing your own experience out there for other people to work through their heads. I must say, the vets of Zilvia are some of the most knowledgeable people I've ever been able to converse with.

I saw the GTR Episode, that thing DID shit on their day, found it kinda lulzy though when "Bo Duke" (cuz I can't remember his actual name) went driving and lost spectacularly.

[silva.240]

I saw the SHOW. it is f******* tv, where everything is under the producers control! At the end of the day it is all about having fun. Joe did a good job and proved that his skills were "above average" rednecks! seriously no need to get gangsta online, i give Joe props, he went and had fun. and i want to racepar1 with my caravan and his 240 in the canyons of piuma (off topanga) . i'll be there tonight! lol j/k ............maybe

[silva.240]

and if you got something fast, i've got faster. how about a supercharged c63 ;) show off drifting in an automatic :)

[240boi115]

FD makes me miss D1GP.. i feel like the judges knew more about what was being displayed... honestly more money winning only comes down to how much is thrown into a vehicle to help it perform...isnt it obvious that a stock car wont take a corner as well as a car with a fully tuned suspension????!

[HipHopHippo]

everybody love everybody! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0spFY1I2NQ)

[Matej]

What is it with the over-saturation of rednecks and their lifestyles on television?
Is that really what people want to see? How depressing.

[enkei2k]

N8c4VcTnLvc

[WristWork]

I hate the host, acts like a 10 year old trying to make people laugh. The show should be called American Racecars vs Mostly stock imports.

Lol at every time someone wins they have to go up against a full American Track car with quadruple the power. The course only has like 2 corners, fucking bullshit show.

[Bumpkin203]

The course only has like 2 corners, fucking bullshit show.

Actually Carolina Motorsports Park is a pretty awesome track, but yes stupid show.

[WristWork]

Looking back at the track it does seem nice.

I think they should start from a dig instead of a roll, would give the imports a chance.

[DJ-of-E]

I'm dead serious, if it was staged I apologise for my comments. Some of the things the guy has said in this thread have me doubting...

True, when watching the episode, it looked anything but real. The show itself is really hard to watch and I can't take anything seriously. Because of this, my only grips is wasting my time painfully watching this show.

For all I know, the user JoeZrhdsil80 may be fake user. You know how many many wannabe troll users we have in zilvia?

[S12 Drifter]

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[Silverbullet]

The problem with drifting as a true motorsport is the scoring is purely subjective. It makes it an arguable discussion. In racing you have lap times and who crosses the finish first. In drifting you have basically who do the judges think is the awesomest, based purely on opinion. Now, I'm not completely discounting it as a motorsport, I'm just saying it is arguable in either direction.

What makes FD not "real" drifting? As far as I can tell it's as real as any other drifting...

Agreed with the subjectivity of the scoring, however understand that the judges go off of a judging criteria. They do their best to keep the criteria as consistant as possible. Not only is it a motorsport, it is both this and entertainment and a show- much like gymnastics, skating, stunt BMXing, ect ect.

I'd also like to make a point with normal racing. There are so many variables that happen on the track during the race with traffic. I'm sure you have experienced this before being a driver, but often times due to unforseen and unavoidable circumstances, someone who clearly should have won might have fallen a spot or had his car wrecked, and someone who just simply got lukcy has won races. In those cases, how does one feel in given competition where the purpose is to find the best driver in the series? A win was stolen from one person who should deserve it, while it was awarded to someone who was just in the right place at the right time. Is that just and fair? Obviously not if one has been in that situation, but we just deal with it to make it less complicated. One might say putting in the human element such as a referee or judge would mitigate unjust situations and make things fair..
But yes, overall I agree that having one single metric to measure scoring/win reguardless of how he/she obtains it w/out breaking rules does make it less complicated and less debate for fairness in most cases

Regardless of it subjectivity of the judging, i think we can all agree there aren't many people that has seen professional caliber drifting in person and not say it is awesome to watch.


I think we're getting into a pretty good discussion on what drifting is/isn't and its overall image- but its getting slightly OT.

[yokotas13]

if you guys care to get an insight about the show listen to adam corollas showhttp://www.adamcarolla.com/CarCastBlog/2013/03/brian-finch-bill-howell/

all the shit is real. and i believe it

[KarolinaKid]

True, when watching the episode, it looked anything but real. The show itself is really hard to watch and I can't take anything seriously. Because of this, my only grips is wasting my time painfully watching this show.

For all I know, the user JoeZrhdsil80 may be fake user. You know how many many wannabe troll users we have in zilvia?

I can assure everyone here Joe is real. That is his screen name.

I find it hilarious that someone is judged by people, that don't even know that person personally, based on what is largely agreed upon by most in here as a heavily edited show.

Play on. Troll on rather.

[yokotas13]

ill vouch for joe too. Know him, drifted at events he has. Dudes cool. I like to fuck with him, but hes a good guy. its just a show guys. not a documentary

[S12 Drifter]

someone who clearly should have won might have fallen a spot or had his car wrecked, and someone who just simply got lukcy has won races. In those cases, how does one feel in given competition where the purpose is to find the best driver in the series? A win was stolen from one person who should deserve it, while it was awarded to someone who was just in the right place at the right time. Is that just and fair? Obviously not if one has been in that situation, but we just deal with it to make it less complicated. One might say putting in the human element such as a referee or judge would mitigate unjust situations and make things fair..

I agree and disagree with this to a point. No one deserves to win anything. The race team that deserves to win is the team that stays up countless hours working and improving their car every second, every day, month, year, hard work and determination is was deserves to be in victory lane, lazyness get's you anything but first.

Take a look at formula 1, it is a highly technical sport thanks to computers and aeronautics, and every hour every second before the race the engineers and team have to make that car run faster while staying in the rules.

[Ichiban1]

ill vouch for joe too. Know him, drifted at events he has. Dudes cool. I like to fuck with him, but hes a good guy. its just a show guys. not a documentary

My sentiments exactly. Joe does get a little over the top at times, however that is part of his personality and part of what makes him the lovable Joe. He is enthusiastic about setting and does a great job in every car he has driven. Grass roots drifting on a budget puts anyone trying to compete at pro/am level at a disadvantage when compared to sponsored entrants,

[DirtyDeuce]

Joe is a really super awesome guy. I hate to see y'all bash his driving/car on here. I can personally vouch for his driving skills, as well as being an overall decent dude. I would have reacted the same way he did if I just hopped on a thread that was already two pages long and nothing but bashing my skills/car/personality totally unprovoked.

[racepar1]

I'd also like to make a point with normal racing. There are so many variables that happen on the track during the race with traffic. I'm sure you have experienced this before being a driver, but often times due to unforseen and unavoidable circumstances, someone who clearly should have won might have fallen a spot or had his car wrecked, and someone who just simply got lukcy has won races. In those cases, how does one feel in given competition where the purpose is to find the best driver in the series? A win was stolen from one person who should deserve it, while it was awarded to someone who was just in the right place at the right time. Is that just and fair? Obviously not if one has been in that situation, but we just deal with it to make it less complicated. One might say putting in the human element such as a referee or judge would mitigate unjust situations and make things fair..
But yes, overall I agree that having one single metric to measure scoring/win reguardless of how he/she obtains it w/out breaking rules does make it less complicated and less debate for fairness in most cases

Life is neither just nor fair, why should racing be any different. Referees in racing? Are you on drugs? Your bleeding heart rant really rubs me the wrong way, and has no point. In competition (ANY competition) things happen that you cannot control. You just have to deal with it. I've seen my dad straight up taken out of races with TOTAL bonehead moves. I never once thought about how unfair it was. I just concentrated on how much of a dumbfuck/asshole the other driver was. Were we happy about it? Of course not, but that doesn't mean it wasn't "fair" and we should get all emotional...

Off-topic or not I just couldn't let that one go.

[racepar1]

Joe is a really super awesome guy. I hate to see y'all bash his driving/car on here. I can personally vouch for his driving skills, as well as being an overall decent dude. I would have reacted the same way he did if I just hopped on a thread that was already two pages long and nothing but bashing my skills/car/personality totally unprovoked.

Unprovoked? The guy was on TV, of course people are going to comment about it. That comes with the territory. All those of us that don't know him personally know is what was presented to us. I cannot comment on what kind of a guy he is in real life or how well he drives/performs regularly. All I can comment on it that ONE particular situation that was presented. I don't understand why people are getting all pissy about it and taking it as a larger commentary on dude's whole life. I'm commenting on a TV show, it's not personal. I still think he drove shitty, maybe because he was instructed to do so. I'll never know nor do I feel the need to...

[yokotas13]

if you had an intercooler pipe blow, how would you drive?

[DirtyDeuce]

Unprovoked? The guy was on TV, of course people are going to comment about it. That comes with the territory. All those of us that don't know him personally know is what was presented to us. I cannot comment on what kind of a guy he is in real life or how well he drives/performs regularly. All I can comment on it that ONE particular situation that was presented. I don't understand why people are getting all pissy about it and taking it as a larger commentary on dude's whole life. I'm commenting on a TV show, it's not personal. I still think he drove shitty, maybe because he was instructed to do so. I'll never know nor do I feel the need to...

Point well made, but I guess I still think it was a little harsh. I'm sure it's because I know him personally and know he's a good guy. Everyone is entitled to their opinions, this being 'Merika and all, but I just felt the need to vouch for him personally as I'm sure you would do if one of your friends was the one being discussed on this thread.

[racepar1]

if you had an intercooler pipe blow, how would you drive?

I would have tightened the intercooler pipe down properly in the first place...

[DJ-of-E]

Unprovoked? The guy was on TV, of course people are going to comment about it. That comes with the territory. All those of us that don't know him personally know is what was presented to us. I cannot comment on what kind of a guy he is in real life or how well he drives/performs regularly. All I can comment on it that ONE particular situation that was presented. I don't understand why people are getting all pissy about it and taking it as a larger commentary on dude's whole life. I'm commenting on a TV show, it's not personal. I still think he drove shitty, maybe because he was instructed to do so. I'll never know nor do I feel the need to...

Yep. To be honest, the girl in the Mini cooper handled being on TV much better. Yes, TV wants junk idiot making a @$$ of himself. However, once off the TV, guess what, a few thousand people now initially perceived you based on what they see on TV. It's the sad truth. Racepar1 is entitled to his opinion and I would judge the same, too.

[Ichiban1]

Yep. To be honest, the girl in the Mini cooper handled being on TV much better. Yes, TV wants junk idiot making a @$$ of himself. However, once off the TV, guess what, a few thousand people now initially perceived you based on what they see on TV. It's the sad truth. Racepar1 is entitled to his opinion and I would judge the same, too.

Using your criteria and his first post in this thread:

" That dude was a total dumbfuck. He also had no clue how to drive that car. All dude was good for was getting sideways, and I didn't even think he was all that good at that. I could have whooped that F250 in a wheelchair...

It is an entertaining show though. I don't mind watching it...
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"He's one of those "drift" guys, that's like ballroom dancing to me." -Paul Tracy
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I think he is a total, in his own words " dumbfuck "

Just my opinion.

[racepar1]

Using your criteria and his first post in this thread:

" That dude was a total dumbfuck. He also had no clue how to drive that car. All dude was good for was getting sideways, and I didn't even think he was all that good at that. I could have whooped that F250 in a wheelchair...

It is an entertaining show though. I don't mind watching it...
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"He's one of those "drift" guys, that's like ballroom dancing to me." -Paul Tracy
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I think he is a total, in his own words " dumbfuck "

Just my opinion.

What??? You REALLY need to learn how to quote posts properly. I have very little idea what you're trying to say...

I'm ASSUMING that you're TRYING to say that you think I'm a dumbfuck. I'm still confused as to why my sig is also included in your "quote". Don't tell me you got all butthurt about the ballroom dancing thing that I QUOTED from Paul Tracy. I could elaborate on the similarities, but that's completely un-necessary...

[Dirty Habit]

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[Ni$$an302]

The truth is that there are more "imports" in the U.S. then any domestic... Fuck speed channel

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[Drift_FX]

people and their internet word wars.... how entertaining.....

[Beemer]

makes for a good read on a rainy saturday afternnoon haha.

[HyperTek]

domestic car manufacturers always built their cars around power, but not much thought around weight savings (outside of the corvette imo) explain those bigass unnecessary boats they called cars in the 60s-70s. Imports japanese and european always took light weight into consideration with just the right amount of efficient horsepower imo.

anyways, anyone here watch Velocity? alot better quality shows than speed.. I think Speed sucks now.. and there is Nbc sports for races.

[racepar1]

domestic car manufacturers always built their cars around power, but not much thought around weight savings (outside of the corvette imo) explain those bigass unnecessary boats they called cars in the 60s-70s. Imports japanese and european always took light weight into consideration with just the right amount of efficient horsepower imo.

anyways, anyone here watch Velocity? alot better quality shows than speed.. I think Speed sucks now.. and there is Nbc sports for races.

I watch Velocity from time to time. Some of the shows are pretty cheezy, BUT the info is pretty damned good. Definitely worth watching. Plus they have the Isle of Mann TT right now, which is the raddest thing on two wheels ANYWHERE!!!

IMO NBC sports coverage of F1 is MUCH better than Speed's was anyways...

They might as well change Speed Channel's name to Nascar Channel. That's pretty much all they've been showing for years anyways...

[s14freak]

For those of you that doubted Joes driving, take a look at this. You folks have a nice day.

YouTube (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?sns=fb&v=H9eLIB2y-k8&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DH9eLIB2y-k8%26sns%3Dfb)

[fliprayzin240sx]

God, I didnt think we have this many members from Souf kakalakey...

[Bumpkin203]

and most of them have 2-10 posts lol