Noob post - SR vs RB

[540dude]

Sorry for the noob post, but I had a couple important questions before I start my S14 build shortly.

First off, I'll be exiting the Honda scene (for obvious reasons) and getting into an S chassis. I'm still planning out everything as of right now.

I'm shooting for 350-400whp while keeping it reliable enough to daily drive. SO, if you had the choice between an SR or RB which would you pick and why? Is 350-400 a reasonable range without getting too deep into the bottom end of either motor? Ideally I'd like to only do cams, springs, retainers, and valves along with a turbo upgrade, bigger injectors, MAF, and a tune.

If anyone has various links to builds with descriptions of motor mods and numbers, send them to me. I'll be wandering around the site looking for more information.

I realize this is a dumb question, but I am ignorant on Nissan's. I tried searching sr vs rb and it said my search wasn't descriptive enough.

Thanks for any helpful advice, and I plan to have my build up here as soon as I get started on it.

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[GroundPerformance]

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[jamg]

get the SR. parts are usually cheaper, and it's more common.

built head, OEM bottom end rebuild, 2871, tune, other supporting accessories = 350+whp reliable.

[EnemyS15]

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[KiLLeR2001]

This sounds like a question I asked myself in high school... You know, writing in the back of my notebook during class. If you're 32 just now exiting the Honda scene, you should probably re-evaluate other things in your life.

There is so much information on this forum for both engines you should be able to come up with the solution on your own.

[OrangeVirus1]

RB20DET or go home.
RB20DET or go home.


If you get a SR.. well that would make sense.. just be another one of the sheeps.

[fliprayzin240sx]

RB20DET or go home.
RB20DET or go home.


If you get a SR.. well that would make sense.. just be another one of the sheeps.

RB20 if you're one the peasants...

RB20, the throwaway engine of choice in Japan since 1993...:rofl:

[KiLLeR2001]

RB20, less desirable than a KA24E.

[MrSanchez925]

I'm a peasant and support the rb20! Lol no shame here!

[Drift_FX]

either engine can make 350hp reliably...... it will be cheaper to build an sr, stay away from the RB20..... but other than that it is personal preference....

i personally have a built SR, but why not just turbo your KA?

[korito727]

Unless I missed it he just said "rb" not which one... I have an rb25 so I'm bias, but I'd take any rb over an sr just my preference.

[540dude]

either engine can make 350hp reliably...... it will be cheaper to build an sr, stay away from the RB20..... but other than that it is personal preference....

i personally have a built SR, but why not just turbo your KA?

Thanks for the post.

I'd definitely only be interested in a RB25 or 26. RB20 is out of the question. Reasons I don't want to go with a KA is because I don't have one. I'm planning on buying a shell and dropping a motor and I'd rather go RB25/SR20.

[540dude]

Unless I missed it he just said "rb" not which one... I have an rb25 so I'm bias, but I'd take any rb over an sr just my preference.
Yeah, I didn't clearly state myself. Would you care to explain your preference? What does your RB have that you wouldn't find in an SR?

[OrangeVirus1]

lol it's funny all the hate for the RB20.

OP, if you choose an RB20, just throw a big turbo on it, and it moveeeeees.

just get an RB20 + like a Gt35R + E85 + 30psi boost = SR20 destroyer

RB20>SR20.

RB20 :
6 cylinders
Iron block
better head
Rev's to 8k+ happily
Will take as much boost as you throw at it ( believe me... I have thrown 28pi on my RB20 on a BGS200G and it asks for more ) (will require a TUNE though and ALL supporting mods. like any engine )
Less load PER ROD PER HP- FACT
Cheaper
sounds better
Oiling issues
Parts are NOT HARD TO FIND, and NOT expensive AND SOLD IN THE USA! ( like any RB engine ) Don't believe the BS that you can't find stuff.

SR20
Aluminum block/ head - lighter
Dead engine above 7.5k rpm ( or so i've seen )
4 cylinders
more load per rod per hp
Could make plenty of hp on lots of boost and E85 aswell
More expensive
sounds like crap
easier swap ( if you're lazy )

RB25
Everything the RB20 is except 2.5L
People SAY it can hold more HP, But nobody has bothered to take a RB20 up to those HP levels. HOWEVER there are 650+whp Rb20's.
spools turbo a little faster than RB20
Proven to make HP
oiling issues (rb20 aswell )
Harder to swap then a SR or RB20
custom parts may be required
Transmission holds more power then RB20
as expensive or more expensive than SR20, almost double price of RB20


RB26
Expensive swap.
lots of custom parts required
Revs to ( I've been told ) 9k rpm without a hiccup.
Makes more power/ holds more power then a RB20 and SR20 combined.
2.6L
Some of these engines aren't even old ( like 2002 / 2004 )
not for someone with a limited budget.

Ls1
Torque
expensive swap
lightwieght for engine size
gas guzzler
lots of custom parts required.
not for someone with limited budget.





I could be wrong on some of this so...

[mr_eh]

lol it's funny all the hate for the RB20.

OP, if you choose an RB20, just throw a big turbo on it, and it moveeeeees.

just get an RB20 + like a Gt35R + E85 + 30psi boost = SR20 destroyer

unless... you encounter a 35r running 30psi on pump... why would you only run 30psi in a 35r with e85

[OrangeVirus1]

unless... you encounter a 35r running 30psi on pump... why would you only run 30psi in a 35r with e85

you could run more if you wanted. I'm just saying at 30lbs it's already stupid fast.. not even streetable

[540dude]

lol it's funny all the hate for the RB20.


Thanks for this.

First off, it seems that an RB would be more reliable holding larger amounts of boost on a stock bottom end? And what is this oiling issue with them? An easy fix?

[KiLLeR2001]

540dude don't listen to OrangeVirus1. He is a bot sent out by the DSM forums to persuade new Nissan owners into choosing the worst engine possible for their upcoming swaps. Then years later when the victim comes back and says, "Damn, I should have never went RB20." He will come into the thread and laugh at your misfortunes.

More info here: http://zilvia.net/f/chat/512119-attn-zilvia-members.html

[anthonyr sil8ty]

Op How about you just pm me, ill take you for a spin and You can buy my sr making 500+

[OrangeVirus1]

540dude don't listen to OrangeVirus1. He is a bot sent out by the DSM forums to persuade new Nissan owners into choosing the worst engine possible for their upcoming swaps. Then years later when the victim comes back and says, "Damn, I should have never went RB20." He will come into the thread and laugh at your misfortunes.

hahahah. I haven't owned a DSM in like 2 years.. :(

Rb20 is not the worst engine.

There is no way an RB20 is worse then a CA18.

To the OP, oiling only becomes an issue when you start making lots of power. the Oil pump/ collar.. stuff. Look it up. also the RB25 is stricken by this same issue.

Don't believe all the Hype.. Rb20's are not that bad, and you can make one really fast.

and yes, There will be less stress per rod at the same HP on a RB20, then a SR20.

and anyone who thinks a Rb20 will blow up around 400hp, is dead wrong.

[Drift_FX]

540dude don't listen to OrangeVirus1. He is a bot sent out by the DSM forums to persuade new Nissan owners into choosing the worst engine possible for their upcoming swaps. Then years later when the victim comes back and says, "Damn, I should have never went RB20." He will come into the thread and laugh at your misfortunes.

More info here: http://zilvia.net/f/chat/512119-attn-zilvia-members.html


serious LOL..... and orange virus, i am running aa sr20 on e85, with a gtx35r..... would love to see an rb20 keep up.....
(not talking crap on other rb motors)

[OrangeVirus1]

serious LOL..... and orange virus, i am running aa sr20 on e85, with a gtx35r..... would love to see an rb20 keep up.....
(not talking crap on other rb motors)

Most Rb20 builds won't even stand a chance at keeping up.. because everyone just runs stock garbage and makes no power.


When I get my E85 tune finished, I'm willing to bet I'll keep up or at least be close behind. I'm at 28psi on pump right now.

I already know you'll get the pull right away because my car takes it's sweet time spooling..

[540dude]

540dude don't listen to OrangeVirus1. He is a bot sent out by the DSM forums to persuade new Nissan owners into choosing the worst engine possible for their upcoming swaps. Then years later when the victim comes back and says, "Damn, I should have never went RB20." He will come into the thread and laugh at your misfortunes.

More info here: http://zilvia.net/f/chat/512119-attn-zilvia-members.html
ROFL! Does he have multiple accounts of this?

[KiLLeR2001]

ROFL! Does he have multiple accounts of this?

Yes, and be careful because he might try to sell you his RB20 for stupid cheap saying it can boost on 28psi easily but as soon as you take it to 15psi you'll blow the rings right out of the block.

[OrangeVirus1]

Yes, and be careful because he might try to sell you his RB20 for stupid cheap saying it can boost on 28psi easily but as soon as you take it to 15psi you'll blow the rings right out of the block.

I'm not even selling my setup.

I wanted to before, to get a DSM. but I decided to just keep it instead.

and I've boosted past 15psi lots of times lol.. rings are fine. engine fine.

[jamg]

OP, RB20's are as good as junk.

don't get it.

[korito727]

This thread is getting pretty dumb, but before it gets completely derailed op decide what you want to do with your car and an exact power number, then look into what setups people are running on sr's and rb's to get what your looking for. With enough of money and time you can do anything, but with a vague "I want to make 400hp" post your just going to get a bunch of people bickering over their personal preference. Different setups will yield different results even at similar power numbers because of torque, lag, and overall response.

[OrangeVirus1]

Agreed. RB20's are as good as junk. IF you leave them stock.

[Drift_FX]

Agreed. RB20's are as good as junk. IF you do anything to them.

fixed.....

[anthonyr sil8ty]

serious LOL..... and orange virus, i am running aa sr20 on e85, with a gtx35r..... would love to see an rb20 keep up.....
(not talking crap on other rb motors)

What kind of #s you laying down with your setup?

[OrangeVirus1]

probably 600's

[anthonyr sil8ty]

That would be my guess, looking for exact #'s

[mr_eh]

you could run more if you wanted. I'm just saying at 30lbs it's already stupid fast.. not even streetable

but I have a 35r and drive it on the street with 30psi :( it's totally streetable!

[OrangeVirus1]

but I have a 35r and drive it on the street with 30psi :( it's totally streetable!

I wouldn't call it a fun streetable turbo...

[s13mikesr20]

but I have a 35r and drive it on the street with 30psi :( it's totally streetable!


Perfectly streetable low rpms save gas high rpms rape victims with a smile of course

[fliprayzin240sx]

Everybody I knew who had a GTS-T R32 or C33 or A31 all had one thing to say about their RB20...I cant wait for this POS to blow so I can go RB25. Why do I say RB20s are throwaway engines? Because people would rather swap in lighter SR20s than keep them in their cars, plus you get the added advantage of less weight. RB20s start hitting their limit around the same point as the SR20 for the most part. Both engines seems to hit their limit around 450hp, after that, you're on your own.

[OrangeVirus1]

To be honest, I don't really see what all the fuss is about. My rb20 is nothing like people say. It isn't a gutless fish. It Drives just fine out of boost, It's not like some Geo Metro that is straining to get to highway speeds.
I can cruise around no problem.

and To say the Rb20 is torqueless.. wrong. ( maybe on stock setup yes ) but throw a decent sized turbo on it and it smacks me back in my seat every time.
Spool up is slow.. it doesn't have an instant boost button. never will. When you floor it, you're not going to really get that hard acceleration until full boost. but what turbo car does anyway.

I'll say this. If you are planning to get an Rb20, do yourself a favor and buy a real turbo for it or you wont have fun.
Not a Rb20 turbo
Not a Rb25 turbo
Not a t25/28 turbo
a REAL turbo Gt30R at the SMALLEST.
it's not a slow gutless engine, it just needs ALOOT of boost!


it's really not a bad engine for the price imo. plus it's a fun swap, easy swap, and it sounds nice because it isn't loud even with 3'' straight pipe. just sounds smooth. no BWAAAAA no ricer sounds. just a really smooth sound.

but if you aren't going to invest in a turbo and supporting mods to make it fun, just get a RB25 or Sr20.

[OrangeVirus1]

Let me know if it doesnt go throughhttp://htcf.info/17.jpg
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[GroundPerformance]

probably 600's

600hp RB20DET.. [email protected] care to share the specs and pics. Thanks!

[mr_eh]

I wouldn't call it a fun streetable turbo...

I'd call it a lot of fun... it's a twin scroll setup, spools early.

[EDacIouSX]

To be honest, I don't really see what all the fuss is about. My rb20 is nothing like people say. It isn't a gutless fish. It Drives just fine out of boost, It's not like some Geo Metro that is straining to get to highway speeds.
I can cruise around no problem.

and To say the Rb20 is torqueless.. wrong. ( maybe on stock setup yes ) but throw a decent sized turbo on it and it smacks me back in my seat every time.
Spool up is slow.. it doesn't have an instant boost button. never will. When you floor it, you're not going to really get that hard acceleration until full boost. but what turbo car does anyway.

I'll say this. If you are planning to get an Rb20, do yourself a favor and buy a real turbo for it or you wont have fun.
Not a Rb20 turbo
Not a Rb25 turbo
Not a t25/28 turbo
a REAL turbo Gt30R at the SMALLEST.
it's not a slow gutless engine, it just needs ALOOT of boost!


it's really not a bad engine for the price imo. plus it's a fun swap, easy swap, and it sounds nice because it isn't loud even with 3'' straight pipe. just sounds smooth. no BWAAAAA no ricer sounds. just a really smooth sound.

but if you aren't going to invest in a turbo and supporting mods to make it fun, just get a RB25 or Sr20.

you kind of sound like a majoooooooooor fan boy of the rb20. A little bit over the top...

In the defense of the RB20, that motor came in bigger cars so of course people with bigger cars may dislike the rb20 more so than if it came in a smaller car. The engine is heavy but it's still a fairly good engine. It's just hard to justify 6 cylinder 2 liter with little aftermarket support when the SR20 and rb25 is so readily available.

[OrangeVirus1]

I'd call it a lot of fun... it's a twin scroll setup, spools early.

My turbo is twin scroll and flows like a 35R.. and does not spool that fast...

you kind of sound like a majoooooooooor fan boy of the rb20. A little bit over the top...

In the defense of the RB20, that motor came in bigger cars so of course people with bigger cars may dislike the rb20 more so than if it came in a smaller car. The engine is heavy but it's still a fairly good engine. It's just hard to justify 6 cylinder 2 liter with little aftermarket support when the SR20 and rb25 is so readily available.

I was never originally a rb20 fan boy.. Zilvia turned me into one with all the hate. I'm going to love it and defend it solely to piss you people off.


600hp RB20DET.. [email protected] care to share the specs and pics. Thanks!

Not even going to bother. how about reading page 1 dude.

[GroundPerformance]

Originally Posted by GroundPerformance http://zilvia.net/f/images/zilvia/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://zilvia.net/f/engine-tech/512103-noob-post-sr-vs-rb-2.html#post5216199)
600hp RB20DET.. [email protected] care to share the specs and pics. Thanks!

Not even going to bother. how about reading page 1 dude.

NVM Dude.. Saw your build thread.. GLWT RB2:eek3:DET..

[Kingtal0n]

lol i love these threads. my vote is 2jz because it will handle 450+ with oem internals and its cheaper than the RB to install and tune and modify. No contest.
displacement always wins. Sorry 2.0 is nothing. 2.5 is also nothing. 3.0 is just barely cutting it.

[mr_eh]

My turbo is twin scroll and flows like a 35R.. and does not spool that fast...

have any dyno sheets? i cant imagine something smaller than a 35r that doesnt spool fast and is twin scroll? maybe poor intake manifold?

[OrangeVirus1]

have any dyno sheets? i cant imagine something smaller than a 35r that doesnt spool fast and is twin scroll? maybe poor intake manifold?

it's probably because my hotside AR is 1.00 twin scroll, and my engine is 2.0. Stock RB20 intake manifold. Everywhere I have read online says the stock RB20 intake manifold flows really well.

[mr_eh]

i'm using a 1.06 housing... flows just dandy, maybe it's just the engine characteristics that are making the turbos spool differently ... which is why SR20 > RB20 ALL DAY (i'm kidding)

[OrangeVirus1]

i'm using a 1.06 housing... flows just dandy, maybe it's just the engine characteristics that are making the turbos spool differently ... which is why SR20 > RB20 ALL DAY (i'm kidding)

what RPM do you get full boost? I get 28psi at around 5200 rpm, but don't even see 5psi until 4k rpm.

[mr_eh]

what RPM do you get full boost? I get 28psi at around 5200 rpm, but don't even see 5psi until 4k rpm.

looks like at 4k im at 12-13 psi. 30 at 6250

http://www.uploads.decalbin.com/data/dynosh.png

[OrangeVirus1]

Looks like you are quicker to get boost, but I'm quicker to get full spool, even though I'm topping at 28, not 30.
at 6k rpm I'm well into boost by then. the kick is awesome too. Do you get that in your car? like floor it, spoolin...spooling.. boost hits.. full boost and kicks you back like hell.

I'm going to be dyno-ing probably next weekend. Waiting on my new tires, suspension and other misc stuff in the mail.

[mr_eh]

Looks like you are quicker to get boost, but I'm quicker to get full spool, even though I'm topping at 28, not 30.
at 6k rpm I'm well into boost by then. the kick is awesome too. Do you get that in your car? like floor it, spoolin...spooling.. boost hits.. full boost and kicks you back like hell.

I'm going to be dyno-ing probably next weekend. Waiting on my new tires, suspension and other misc stuff in the mail.

it's honestly so god damn linear it never feels like it hits hard... it's just a gradual pull, not violent at all, you notice the mph ramp up more than anything...

which is pretty good for a car that is rwd, that sudden burst of power doesnt make life easier

[OrangeVirus1]

it's honestly so god damn linear it never feels like it hits hard... it's just a gradual pull, not violent at all, you notice the mph ramp up more than anything...

which is pretty good for a car that is rwd, that sudden burst of power doesnt make life easier

ahh.. my car is the total opposite lol!

my car is like this : low Rpm.. floor it... Car pretends it's cruising.. turbo spools.. still cruising.. turbo spooled.. BAM power unleashed.

I love it though.. the kick is awesome.

like this video of mine , nothing happens until full spool :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1q_ug0ppJs
not the best example.. but it's all I got.

[jr_ss]

My turbo is twin scroll and flows like a 35R.. and does not spool that fast...



I was never originally a rb20 fan boy.. Zilvia turned me into one with all the hate. I'm going to love it and defend it solely to piss you people off.




Not even going to bother. how about reading page 1 dude.

it's probably because my hotside AR is 1.00 twin scroll, and my engine is 2.0. Stock RB20 intake manifold. Everywhere I have read online says the stock RB20 intake manifold flows really well.

Looks like you are quicker to get boost, but I'm quicker to get full spool, even though I'm topping at 28, not 30.
at 6k rpm I'm well into boost by then. the kick is awesome too. Do you get that in your car? like floor it, spoolin...spooling.. boost hits.. full boost and kicks you back like hell.

I'm going to be dyno-ing probably next weekend. Waiting on my new tires, suspension and other misc stuff in the mail.

Just because you have a split ex housing doesn't mean you have a twin scroll setup. Your manifold dictates that and I've seen the manifold you're running, it is not a TS.

[OrangeVirus1]

Just because you have a split ex housing doesn't mean you have a twin scroll setup. Your manifold dictates that and I've seen the manifold you're running, it is not a TS.

no my manifold isn't. and I wasn't awared of that actually, Thought Twin scroll had to do with the turbo hotside housing.

[guitaraholic]

[QUOTE=OrangeVirus1;

Ls1
Torque
expensive swap
lightwieght for engine size
gas guzzler
lots of custom parts required.
not for someone with limited budget.


I could be wrong on some of this so...[/QUOTE]

I'm not all about dropping a loafing V8 in an import, but I have to disagree on a few things on this one

With the right gearing (really tall T-56 or T6060), you can easily get 25-26mpg, maybe more. A lot of the SR guys average that or worse. I get about 29mpg sometimes 30, and I've been told I'm doing really good for an SR20.

I think if you shop around, you can do the swap for not much more than an upgraded SR20det swap. Figure

LS1/LS2 can be had for cheap. I got my L92/6.2 with ECU, wire harness, pedal assembly and all accessories for $2,800 for my SL-C project. You can get a T56 for around a grand used. The rest is fabrication, fabrication.

I've got a little less than $4.5k in my SR Swap (and that's being very frugal), with upgraded ECU, 550cc, FMIC, Z32 MAF, GT2860rs (about to upgrade to gtx2867), drive-shaft (mine was an auto), full exhaust. Stage 4 clutch, yadda yadda, yes there are a few other things I didn't need (ACT Chromoly flywheel), but figure for about $6K you could probably do an LS swap (haven't looked up, just guessing here).

[jr_ss]

no my manifold isn't. and I wasn't awared of that actually, Thought Twin scroll had to do with the turbo hotside housing.

Although having a split housing is half of it, the manifold has to have certain cylinders paired together with a split/divided collector and a pair of wastegates to purge the excess exhaust gases from each side.

So essentially, youre half way there. You have two options, do away with that waste of an exhaust housing and get something smaller and less laggier, or throw the RB20 in the trash and upgrade to an RB25...

I'm just kidding, however, good luck finding a TS manifold for your engine.

And seriously, chill out with your RB20 hard on. No one really cares, and you aren't going to change anyone's mind here or in Japan that the RB20 is garbage by jerking off to it on the web.

[Mikester]

One of the very first replies to this thread said it all- You're 32 yrs old- Do your research and make a choice. Save making threads like this for the kiddos.

Second of all, unless something changed in the last couple days; you don't even have a car yet... "I'm gonna" says nothing. "I have" carries a little more weight. Coming from the Hon-duh scene; you should already know this.

Go to some events, ask some questions, do some Google searches etc. I bet there are thousands resources that cover 'which engine to get' for a 240 without having to rob the rest of us of IQ points.

Whatever you decide to do... all that matters is that you enjoy doing it and learn as much as you can.

[EnemyS15]

No, no, no. Let's just hold lil timmy's 32 yo old Honda hand and let's guide him to the ZOMG best motor out there. And while we are at it, let's pick the parts that he will buy. Tell him which part to install first, second, third, etc.....

Why stop there. Let's also tell him when to take a shower, which shoes to buy, choose what to eat for him....


I mean really?

[mr_eh]

Although having a split housing is half of it, the manifold has to have certain cylinders paired together with a split/divided collector and a pair of wastegates to purge the excess exhaust gases from each side.

So essentially, youre half way there. You have two options, do away with that waste of an exhaust housing and get something smaller and less laggier, or throw the RB20 in the trash and upgrade to an RB25...

I'm just kidding, however, good luck finding a TS manifold for your engine.

And seriously, chill out with your RB20 hard on. No one really cares, and you aren't going to change anyone's mind here or in Japan that the RB20 is garbage by jerking off to it on the web.

ayup

http://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/196264_10150168475877392_529654_n.jpg

having a split housing on the turbo doesn't do anything without the manifold...

[OutlawLui]

Srrb2025ddeettt vvti

[BlewByYou]

RB25 or Rb26 anyday!! Some will say its this an that but there the ones thats never done one :p Sr20 is a good engine when BUILT other than that your wasting your time!

[hobbs]

what RPM do you get full boost? I get 28psi at around 5200 rpm, but don't even see 5psi until 4k rpm.

Yeah...I'm calling bullshit that you're pushing 28psi on a bone stock RB20 on a 35r equivalent turbo. Stock headstuds and 630cc injectors? 28psi lol...


If you're going to try and lie to people you should atleast make it something that might be possible.

[BlewByYou]

Yeah...I'm calling bullshit that you're pushing 28psi on a bone stock RB20 on a 35r equivalent turbo. Stock headstuds and 630cc injectors? 28psi lol...


If you're going to try and lie to people you should atleast make it something that might be possible.

Can a 1JZ do it? :)
:snoop:

[hobbs]

Can a 1JZ do it? :)
:snoop:

A 1JZ is a hell of lot a better motor than both the RB20 and RB25.

[DJZ]

Imo I'd rather have any thing over an sr even an rb20, I chose it over it s14 sr which I had both at the time, sr's are over rated. Ls in the long run would be cheapest and most drivable for tons of power wise

[BlewByYou]

A 1JZ is a hell of lot a better motor than both the RB20 and RB25.

In what way is that?

1jz Head flow 210 Cfm
RB25 Head Flow 240 Cfm

Stock to stock yes a 1jz has more power bc it also has twin turbo.

Exactly what does a 1jz have that a RB doesnt?

*Ability to rev? No
*Broader power band? No
*Displacement? No
*A following of people like yourself that try to dis RB's because they feel like the jealous poor cousin? ...

An Rb is just as good or better.. :snoop:

[OrangeVirus1]

Yeah...I'm calling bullshit that you're pushing 28psi on a bone stock RB20 on a 35r equivalent turbo. Stock headstuds and 630cc injectors? 28psi lol...


If you're going to try and lie to people you should atleast make it something that might be possible.

pretty sure I posted logs in my build thread.. i think

[hobbs]

In what way is that?

1jz Head flow 210 Cfm
RB25 Head Flow 240 Cfm

Stock to stock yes a 1jz has more power bc it also has twin turbo.

Exactly what does a 1jz have that a RB doesnt?

*Ability to rev? No
*Broader power band? No
*Displacement? No
*A following of people like yourself that try to dis RB's because they feel like the jealous poor cousin? ...

An Rb is just as good or better.. :snoop:

A Evo9 4G63 head flows better than them both, since when was flow the end all be all to a motor? Also to your silly bullet points:

*You can safely rev out a 1J to 7700-8000RPM, RB25 you're sitting at what 7300-7500?
*I would say a sequential turbo system will have a much broader power band than a single T28 turbo.
*Displacement? You stupid?
*Poor jealous cousin that has a better motor stock for stock

Not to mention the R154 is a much better transmission than a RB25 trans, coil packs that actually work under high boost and the 1J heads don't flood with oil either and don't need a 1,500.00 oil pump when going high HP.

pretty sure I posted logs in my build thread.. i think

Peaking 25psi untuned is not the same as running 28psi.

[OrangeVirus1]

A Evo9 4G63 head flows better than them both, since when was flow the end all be all to a motor? Also to your silly bullet points:

*You can safely rev out a 1J to 7700-8000RPM, RB25 you're sitting at what 7300-7500?
*I would say a sequential turbo system will have a much broader power band than a single T28 turbo.
*Displacement? You stupid?
*Poor jealous cousin that has a better motor stock for stock

Not to mention the R154 is a much better transmission than a RB25 trans, coil packs that actually work under high boost and the 1J heads don't flood with oil either and don't need a 1,500.00 oil pump when going high HP.



Peaking 25psi untuned is not the same as running 28psi.

untuned?? who the hell says I'm untuned? and that was just one log not even full boost, just were I was breaking up at ( and have fixed and tuned out )

If I was untuned I wouldn't have a engine when I "peaked" that 25psi.

[hobbs]

untuned?? who the hell says I'm untuned? and that was just one log not even full boost, just were I was breaking up at ( and have fixed and tuned out )

If I was untuned I wouldn't have a engine when I "peaked" that 25psi.

Lets see some new logs then? :fruit:

[OrangeVirus1]

Tuned : just a a few screenshots, not gonna SS every single map/ setting..
I'll gladly make some more logs later.


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[racepar1]

Why does every "SR vs RB" thread turn into a pissing match between Orangevirus and the rest of Zilvia???

Just give it up dude. You love your 2.0L engine that weighs as much as 2 SR's and a CA put together, good for you. We get it. When you put it down on paper there are a zillion arguments against it. GET OVER IT!!!

[540dude]

One of the very first replies to this thread said it all- You're 32 yrs old- Do your research and make a choice. Save making threads like this for the kiddos.

Second of all, unless something changed in the last couple days; you don't even have a car yet... "I'm gonna" says nothing. "I have" carries a little more weight. Coming from the Hon-duh scene; you should already know this.

Go to some events, ask some questions, do some Google searches etc. I bet there are thousands resources that cover 'which engine to get' for a 240 without having to rob the rest of us of IQ points.

Whatever you decide to do... all that matters is that you enjoy doing it and learn as much as you can.
I'm 19 years old. The fact that you would base your information off a random person posting on a forum claiming I'm 32 is amusing. I don't know how long it takes you to do your builds, but I like to plan everything beforehand and then knock it out and get it done with. I had assumed that these forums would be better than the "HON-DUH" one's but no, I was wrong.

Besides being a nonconstructive prick, I did look at your hatch build and it is tastefully done.
No, no, no. Let's just hold lil timmy's 32 yo old Honda hand and let's guide him to the ZOMG best motor out there. And while we are at it, let's pick the parts that he will buy. Tell him which part to install first, second, third, etc.....

Why stop there. Let's also tell him when to take a shower, which shoes to buy, choose what to eat for him....


I mean really?
10/10 post would read again. You're the type of person that would fit right in with the Honda scene. I never asked anything about parts, I simply wanted to know what motor would be the best option for my intended goals. If someone came to me asking what motor would be best in their civic for x and y causes, I'd be able to tell them their options and compare their options because I've spent time fiddling around with various Honda's.



I did come across this, but it didn't really hit any of the key points I was specifically looking for.
S13 Red Top SR20DET (91-94 Silvia/180SX)

The redtop is the most popular choice. It’s the cheapest of the SR's, with about 203hp (don’t give me crap about the 205 rating because that’s in PS and not HP) with 7psi of boost coming from a T-25 turbo. Basically, these suckers are nice. I personally have had a ride in a base swap and driven one with about 250hp, they pull hard and are a blast. The best thing about this motor is the aftermarket possibilities available. Because everybody has one, there are a zillion parts for them. The install is pretty basic, as it's just drop in and wire up. But of course, with any swap you should know what you're doing. I am adding a little here about the tech part of the swap because I have actually done it. I helped my buddy with his redtop swap recently. We did it in his garage with a lack of decent tools, no power tools, limited space, lack of money, and time. If anybody who was thinking about this swap was worried about install, it’s really not that hard. The swap isn't hard, but yes it takes patience, and if you use that time to do things right the first time, you’ll be in good shape. The best part of swapping any motor yourself is you learn a lot, and that’s what counts the most.


Black Top S13 SR20DET (95-98 180SX)


The difference between the red top and black top is minimal. There are some minor ECU changes, cooling fins on the head (earlier red tops did not have them) and that’s basically it. They are a little more pricy because they are newer. This is also a common choice for the same reasons as the redtop. Good power, aftermarket support etc. Ok enough with these, next.


S14 SR20DET (94-98 Silvia)


So here we have the mid version of the SR. Some of the obvious changes at a glance are the intake manifold in which Nissan switched from the high port to the low port design which slightly affects overall power goals negatively but not enough to worry about. The valve cover is notched after cylinder #3 and you see this hump on the front. That hump houses a variable timing system not present on the S13 SR20's. While this gives you better valve timing and such it also limits your aftermarket cam possibilities. The S14 SR’s are going to get you 220hp out of the box. Some of that power comes from a larger T-28 turbo. Yea all this sounds find and dandy but you are also going get a bigger hole in your pocket as the price of these is a fair chunk more than the S13 SR's.


S15 SR20DET (99-01 Silvia)

Now we’re getting to the good stuff, 250hp on tap and a 6-speed transmission to make that 3500rpm @ 80mph BS go away. There are virtually no visible differences from the S14 to the S15 SR, it still incorporates the low port intake manifold design and has the VVT thing going for it. The S15 however has a turbo upgrade over the S14 SR, a T-28 ball bearing feeding that 250hp. But like always, goodness comes at a price and that fancy 6-speed isn't as strong as the 5-speeds that came with the rest of the SR group. Also to utilize the 6-speed transmission you will need the S15 Silvia driveshaft since it is significantly shorter than a 5 speed one. With all this comes a bigger price too so be ready to bust out the needle and thread to sew up that hole about to be burned in your pocket. The S15 SR is the least common because it’s the most expensive and the S15 SR20’s are a little harder to come by.

SR Wrap Up:

If you're the kind of lazy bum with cash who just wants a motor swap, drop your car off at the local import tuning shop, tell them you want an SR and hand over a few grand. If you’re looking for good power, good aftermarket support, lots of potential, and just an overall good motor; the SR is for you. I think people are running something stupid like 400whp on the stock bottom end so power is plentiful. Also for reference it’s easier to swap the same year SR as the corresponding year of your car.

Oh wait, can’t forget the link. (please, use it and abuse it )
http://www.srswap.com/faq/index.asp

RB Series Motors

Inline 6 cylinder turbo (sometimes twin), strong, reliable, and one of the best damn sounds your ears will ever hear. The RB's have that "cool" factor. I know if some one asked me what motor I had in my car I would like to answer "It’s a skyline engine." So let’s get down to it.
First off there are 3 RB swaps that are known to be done on 240’s. (I’m excluding the RB30 hybrid as it is a rare swap).


RB20DET

OK, this motor is a common choice among RB enthusiasts. This is the exception of the list order. It is cheaper than the S13 SR20. 2.0L single turbo, pretty rev happy and again, the cheapest way to say "I have a skyline engine". Your butt dyno should read about 210ps (what, like 207hp I guess). The problems with this and all the RB motors is that aftermarket and spare parts aren't as easily acquired as the SR for the US market. You can always pay out the @ss for cool JDM stuff though. Internals here are strong can take a good beating past 300hp. Jumping into the RB realm requires quite a bit more know how for the DIY swappers. You may need custom mounts and/or driveshaft, the KA driveshaft and an R32 cross-member work fine, but its always nice to have a better aligned motor if you get mounts and a drive shaft.

RB20 specific site: http://projectskyline.kicks-***.net/history.html

RB25DET

This and the RB20 are the usual choice of people who do RB swaps. The RB25 is a 2.5L straight 6 single turbo. It’s got more power than the RB20 checking in at 250ps (again something like 236hp). Stepping up your swap skills is on the to-do list for this one. As far as install goes, you do not need custom mounts, the stock cross-member bolts up fine, if you re-drill it about 1" back for the motor mounts, there are no clearance problems except the hood and you will have to hammer out your transmission tunneling to fit that honkin @ss tranny in there so the shifter is centered. A mount kit is still the best way to go if you are willing to pay up. Home McKinney Motorsports (http://www.mckinneymotorsports.com) were pretty much the innovators if this swap like 8 years ago so they have quite a selection of parts on their site, it’s goofy right now but you can get their number there.

[OrangeVirus1]

Why does every "SR vs RB" thread turn into a pissing match between Orangevirus and the rest of Zilvia???

Just give it up dude. You love your 2.0L engine that weighs as much as 2 SR's and a CA put together, good for you. We get it. When you put it down on paper there are a zillion arguments against it. GET OVER IT!!!

I'm just letting new comers know that the Rb20 isn't as shitty as everyone on here makes it out to be that is all. everyone else likes to escalate shit.

also the engine weights a little over 100lbs more then a Sr.

[zerodameaon]

I'm 19 years old. The fact that you would base your information off a random person posting on a forum claiming I'm 32 is amusing. I don't know how long it takes you to do your builds, but I like to plan everything beforehand and then knock it out and get it done with. I had assumed that these forums would be better than the "HON-DUH" one's but no, I was wrong.


So why lie about your age, you just undermine any argument you try to make because you are lying on one aspect.


I'm just letting new comers know that the Rb20 isn't as shitty as everyone on here makes it out to be that is all. everyone else likes to escalate shit.

also the engine weights a little over 100lbs more then a Sr.

But it is pretty shitty. If you have a choice of 20 or 25 you are a moron for choosing 20. And if you did not want it escalated and end up losing your ass trying to defend yourself just don't post back after your initial argument.

[zooopreme]

I'm just letting new comers know that the Rb20 isn't as shitty as everyone on here makes it out to be that is all. everyone else likes to escalate shit.

also the engine weights a little over 100lbs more then a Sr.

I've never seen a member on this forum (or any forum I belong to) defend their mistake more than you.

The RB20 isn't held higher than the SR by people due to several reasons. One being it's availability of parts and the likelihood of having to rebuild one was a factor. SR's these days are Japan's trash but that clearly hasn't effected the demand for SR's vs RB20's.Anyway, nobody is saying that you cannot find parts, it's just that aftermarket companies support the SR a lot more than the RB20. With a business sense, that says a lot about the RB20. Why aren't flowing with support compared to the SR. Why are SR parts generally cheaper and easier to find? Interchangeability?

The time/cost that it takes to get the RB20 in a S-Chassis also outweighs that of a SR. The even funnier part about RB20's is that there are a lot out there that nobody that is smart with their money would want.

When people "hate" on you, it's because we really believe you're not as bright as you believe you are.

[Kingtal0n]

Ls-x on boost. /thread


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[OrangeVirus1]

I've never seen a member on this forum (or any forum I belong to) defend their mistake more than you.

The RB20 isn't held higher than the SR by people due to several reasons. One being it's availability of parts and the likelihood of having to rebuild one was a factor. SR's these days are Japan's trash but that clearly hasn't effected the demand for SR's vs RB20's.Anyway, nobody is saying that you cannot find parts, it's just that aftermarket companies support the SR a lot more than the RB20. Which means it's easier to find and possibly cheaper.

The time/cost that it takes to get the RB20 in a S-Chassis also outweighs that of a SR. The even funnier part about RB20's is that there are a lot out there that nobody that is smart with their money would want.

When people "hate" on you, it's because we really believe you're not as bright as you believe you are.


I never said that the RB20 is held in a higher regard. The only point I have been trying to get across is don't knock it before you try it and don't take everyone's words as fact. Understandably alot of people hate the engine and don't understand it.

I don't feel that I made a mistake choosing the Rb20. that is something none of you people understand. I did not make a mistake. I made a different choice then you.

[540dude]

So why lie about your age, you just undermine any argument you try to make because you are lying on one aspect.

Didn't even realize it said that on my profile. I thought someone made the assumption I was 32 for no reason.

[zooopreme]

You sound like a dweeb that is trying to argue tried and proven paths.

Truth is that you're not going to win the argument against a world full of people who are satisfied with their choice.

You've gone on the record to be a RB20 elitist (that doesn't like the R chassis, ironically) and everybody's been flaming you for it.

The reason why not many people go the RB20 route says a lot. Since you wanted to compare it to sweets, the RB20 is like the pistachio flavor. People have chosen a proven, abundant, and popular chocolate flavor without trying pistachio because 1.) it tastes better 2.) probably costs less 3.) the unknown outweighs the potential marginal benefits 4.) when they do, they typically regret it. You on the other hand, are trying to defend your mistake which makes you look dumber and dumber with each defense.

[OrangeVirus1]

You sound like a dweeb that is trying to argue tried and proven paths.

Truth is that you're not going to win the argument against a world full of people who are satisfied with their choice.

You've gone on the record to be a RB20 elitist (that doesn't like the R chassis, ironically) and everybody's been flaming you for it.

The reason why not many people go the RB20 route says a lot. Since you wanted to compare it to sweets, the RB20 is like the pistachio flavor. People have chosen a proven, abundant, and popular chocolate flavor without trying pistachio because 1.) it tastes better 2.) probably costs less 3.) the unknown outweighs the potential marginal benefits 4.) when they do, they typically regret it. You on the other hand, are trying to defend your mistake which makes you look dumber and dumber with each defense.

Your wrong on 2 accounts.

1. I hate pistachio's.
2. I'm merely defending my choice, not a mistake in my book.

I'll choose the hated engine every day of the week, build it and have plenty of fun with it, whether it be a Rb20, CA18, D15 honda engine, or some other "garbabe." I am more then satisfied with my choice. Mainly because the engine isn't half of the shit you people said it was.

because I'm not doing it to be a sheep, I'm doing what I want. If you can't accept that, fine.

That's the fun in it after all..

[zerodameaon]

Your wrong on 2 accounts.

1. I hate pistachio's.
2. I'm merely defending my choice, not a mistake in my book.

because I'm not doing it to be a sheep, I'm doing what I want. If you can't accept that, fine.

That's the fun in it after all..

1. It is a comparison so you saying you do not like pistachios is just stupid and has no bearing on his comparison.
2. You "defend" it in every thread you enter for the most part it seems. Somehow the conversation gets turned to RB20 even if it had nothing to do with RB20 in the first place.

Also how does choosing a better engine make you a sheep? That is just a moronic statement.

[OrangeVirus1]

1. It is a comparison so you saying you do not like pistachios is just stupid and has no bearing on his comparison.
2. You "defend" it in every thread you enter for the most part it seems. Somehow the conversation gets turned to RB20 even if it had nothing to do with RB20 in the first place.

Also how does choosing a better engine make you a sheep? That is just a moronic statement.

I don't remember just completely switching the topic to rb20 in some random threads.. maybe threads about engines..
or threads where people ask "what engine should I get" And I just comment something like " get a Rb20 " purely my opinion, and the fire starts shortly after.

and I really really hate pistachio's.

[GroundPerformance]

:hide: KA24DET vs RB20DET :hide:

[zerodameaon]

I'm not saying you post in coilover threads to get a RB20 but, for example, someone asks KAT or SR? Your answer would be RB20. OK cool but that was not one of the options, then it turns into these big ass arguments. If you posted "here is what I think and why", then leave the thread and don't come back, your opinion will still be there, for whom ever to consider, and for people to counter or defend but you don't end up looking like you always end up.

[DJZ]

all these people hating on the rb20, how many have actually owned one

[GroundPerformance]

all these people hating on the rb20, how many have actually owned one

I'm guessing not many.. I wonder why?

[EnemyS15]

10/10 post would read again. You're the type of person that would fit right in with the Honda scene. I never asked anything about parts, I simply wanted to know what motor would be the best option for my intended goals. If someone came to me asking what motor would be best in their civic for x and y causes, I'd be able to tell them their options and compare their options because I've spent time fiddling around with various Honda's.

Yeah I did fit in the Honda scene, when I was 17. You say you are 19, so it all makes sense now.

You posted a thread asking something that has been covered plenty of times. I just googled sr or rb and came up with ALL the info I need to make an educated decision. I know you're just 19 and all, but let's practice this thing us big boys call "make up your own mind and decision".

[OrangeVirus1]

I'm not saying you post in coilover threads to get a RB20 but, for example, someone asks KAT or SR? Your answer would be RB20. OK cool but that was not one of the options, then it turns into these big ass arguments. If you posted "here is what I think and why", then leave the thread and don't come back, your opinion will still be there, for whom ever to consider, and for people to counter or defend but you don't end up looking like you always end up.

Look I would leave it at that, IF My opinion on the matter wasn't so harshly assaulted every time.

I can say the same to all you zilvians, Leave your opinion on the engine you'd choose and not post anything else. but no you post what engine you'd choose and bash other peoples choices at the same time.

Am I suppose to just give my opinion then let it get bashed?
I'm sure you all wouldn't take it very kindly if I went around in all the threads bashing the SR20 whenever you recommended it.
I'm guessing not many.. I wonder why?

probably because people believe whatever they are told. I'd say 90% of the people got their RB20 experience from youtube.

[anthonyr sil8ty]

Lol that's explains why I didn't get a reply.

[Kingtal0n]

its a 2.0, get over it. and get a larger engine.

[Mikester]

I'm 19 years old. The fact that you would base your information off a random person posting on a forum claiming I'm 32 is amusing.

I don't know how long it takes you to do your builds, but I like to plan everything beforehand and then knock it out and get it done with. I had assumed that these forums would be better than the "HON-DUH" one's but no, I was wrong.

Besides being a nonconstructive prick, I did look at your hatch build and it is tastefully done.



Didn't even realize it said that on my profile. I thought someone made the assumption I was 32 for no reason.

1. It appears you answered your own question regarding the 'assumption' of your age. Congratulations on unknowingly impersonating an adult.

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2. I do my research, buy up what I need; then do my best to exercise patience in putting it all together. 'How long" it takes has no bearing- I choose quality over quantity on nearly every occasion.

3. All things now coming to light, I thought my advice to you was very constructive. Would you have felt a little less violated if I had my 19yr old son log in and give you the very same advice instead? If so, my bad.

4. Thanks for the kind words on my build. I've worked very hard on it and appreciate the compliment sincerely.

Yeah I did fit in the Honda scene, when I was 17. You say you are 19, so it all makes sense now.


^^ This FTW!!!!! ^^

My oldest would chuckle and tell this kid to quit while he is ahead. My 17yr old however... who dresses goth and hates all things reason and/or authority- would love him.

[fliprayzin240sx]

all these people hating on the rb20, how many have actually owned one

Never owned one but I've driven enough of them and knew enough people who had them to make a decision that they fucking blow donkey balls. There is only 1 thing I'll give RB20s props for...fucking engine wont die when left stock. I've seen a guy literally try to kill the engine by sabotaging it and it didnt blow. I'm talking about driving it it with no coolant after crashing and destroying his radiator, shit didnt blow.

[Mikester]

Ray, don't forget... RB20's do happen to sound quite amazing!

Left stock or very mildly modded, they are awesome. All things considered, I may build an RB20-powered coupe for my daughter in a few yrs.

I've also seen some 400hp RB20's that were pretty BA too.

I love my SR for the simplicity and aftermarket support so I'm staying with that for now.

As we have come to find out OP is a 19yr old... I'd say his best 2 choices are KA24DE or SR. But ultimately, his choice. Yet another BS thread for the archives.

[EvilRB]

As an A31 Cefiro Owner that got the RB20DET stock, and a previous swapped RB20 240 owner I can tell you that the RB20 is Idiot proof and a great starter engine but is not worth building.
They can make power but gets to a certain point where you add up the receipts, compare them, realize what else you could have built and what you could have gotten...
Thing is parts for the RB20 are usually interchangeable with the RB25/26 so your spending the same but getting less power out of it as you would if you had the bigger engine in the first place.
Bang for buck you are better off building a SR or Rb25.
KA-T can also be done for really cheap now days.
But it also depends on what type of racing you want to do or if it's for daily/ weekend fun.
Also what your skill level is and what facilities you have access to also factor in, that will effect you wallet also...
I say just pick the best condition and cheapest engine you can get your hands on and spend the rest on upgrades.
You'll still get power to the ground that way and have money to fix anything that comes up either way.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Ray, don't forget... RB20's do happen to sound quite amazing!

Left stock or very mildly modded, they are awesome. All things considered, I may build an RB20-powered coupe for my daughter in a few yrs.

I've also seen some 400hp RB20's that were pretty BA too.

I love my SR for the simplicity and aftermarket support so I'm staying with that for now.

As we have come to find out OP is a 19yr old... I'd say his best 2 choices are KA24DE or SR. But ultimately, his choice. Yet another BS thread for the archives.


I know, Jaime seems to be the only person on Oki that had success on RB20s. He had a 390whp RB20 on with a T3/T4 turbo on it. Rose made 360 on the same turbo kit that I'm running that I got from him. I made 420 on the same turbo kit from rose

[Mikester]

^^Yea Jaime's ride was definitely legit. My theory is that he got one of the few Skyrines on the island that hadn't been beat to death before he got a hold of it. Also, IIRC, his was properly tuned... which as you know is rare [for most Americans] there lol

[540dude]

As we have come to find out OP is a 19yr old... I'd say his best 2 choices are KA24DE or SR. But ultimately, his choice. Yet another BS thread for the archives.
How does my age correlate with type of engine suitable for me?

[racepar1]

How does my age correlate with type of engine suitable for me?

It all boils down to experience and knowledge. A young guy like you doesn't have much experience or knowledge to draw from. The SR's and KA's have a lot of easily available parts and information to draw from. It's better for you to gain experience with a more common, and easily installed/modified engine and then move on from there if you feel the need. Also, being so young, you probably don't have the best driving skills in the world. You're better off learning how to drive on a lower power engine and boost the power up as you progress. Jumping right into a 300hp RB25 swap probably isn't the best idea. When you learned to swim you didn't just jump right into the deep end with no life jacket did you?

[OrangeVirus1]

How does my age correlate with type of engine suitable for me?

because all these old timers on here think if you are young you are automatically dumb.

they all act like they are way older then 19.. when in fact they are more in the 21-25 range.

Don't give it any thought. there are 3 types of people on here.
1. People who pay $$$ to build their cars, then be a complete asshole to everyone and anyone who doesn't build their car. ( almost everyone with a blue name falls into this category )
2. people who cheaply build cars, JDM-YO style, then be assholes to anyone who is a noob or doesn't know about cars.
3. Noobs / "ricers" who are actually the most respectful people on this forum.

[korito727]

I'm 20 and built my rb25 s14 with a tube front and completely aftermarket chassis harness. Is it perfect? No. Does it work? You bet it does. Was it hard? Not really..

Age doesn't matter it's about mechanical skill or ability to learn along the way. That being said I'm putting a fire extinguisher in my car. Lol

[zerodameaon]

Age doesn't matter it's about mechanical skill or ability to learn along the way. That being said I'm putting a fire extinguisher in my car. Lol

Don't do it, your car will burst into flames tomorrow. Happens every time.

[OrangeVirus1]

Don't do it, your car will burst into flames tomorrow. Happens every time.

I'll agree, seems the only people with car fires are the ones who have fire extinguishers..

[korito727]

Damn it. Maybe ill just make sure I bring lots of water everywhere lol.

[OrangeVirus1]

Damn it. Maybe ill just make sure I bring lots of water everywhere lol.

or just pull the cap to your radiator, Coolant will go everywhere.

[Mikester]

because all these old timers on here think if you are young you are probably fairly inexperienced since you asked a question that has been covered thousands of times in countless threads..

they all act like they are way older then 19.. in fact they are more in the 30-45 range; so maybe you should look for the messages within their words.

Don't give it any thought. there are 5 types of people on here.

1. People who pay $$$ to have their cars built for them, then be assholes to everyone and anyone who doesn't build their car. (they are usually pretty easy to spot)
2. people who ghetto their cars together JDM-YO style with cheap-o parts, then be assholes to anyone who is a noob or doesn't know about cars- because they all have horrible cases of little-man's complex. They also piss and whine like little bitches because their cheap-o, ghetto-rigged parts break on them left and right
3. Noobs like you who are actually fairly respectful, but need a little guidance once in a while.
4. Trolls like me who love to stir up shit, constantly talk out their asses and soil otherwise decent threads with stupidity (we are incredibly easy to spot)
5. People who have actual life experience under their belts; and enjoy learning, helping & sharing what they know with the community- and also hope to help the young people avoid making some of the same mistakes they made when they were their age

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Corrected- You should really not be so closed-minded, man.

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540dude, it's not about the engine type per se, it's about the learning curve- much like racepar1 said.

SR20's & KA24's will completely plug & play onto your car with little/no need to modify anything to fit. To boot, there are myriads of information and aftermarket/OEM parts supporting them. They are perfect, SIMPLE platforms to learn and have fun with... and capable of much better power as you grow into them. In terms of money, they are the cheapest of the bunch, too.

In the end, I will tell you the same thing I tell my 19yr old: It's your decision, dude... not anyone else's. All I can do at this point is do my best to give you advice that I think is sound... How you use the info is on you.

Whatever you do, good luck.

[BlewByYou]

Not to mention the R154 is a much better transmission than a RB25 trans


Haha, Thats why PRO's in Thailand and AU use Rb25 trans on there Jz's?? :2f2f:

Do a lil more research before posting nonsense please.

[racepar1]

because all these old timers on here think if you are young you are automatically dumb.

Being the age I am now I realize that when I was young I was dumb. As you grow older you realize that. I wasn't the dumbest 19 year old, but comparatively speaking I knew nothing compared to what I know now. That statement applies not only to cars, but to life as a whole.

they all act like they are way older then 19.. when in fact they are more in the 21-25 range.

I'm 30...

Don't give it any thought. there are 3 types of people on here.
1. People who pay $$$ to build their cars, then be a complete asshole to everyone and anyone who doesn't build their car. ( almost everyone with a blue name falls into this category )

Most of us with a "blue name" have been doing this for a while. We take modifying our cars seriously. Building a car costs money, if you don't have much money it takes patience. A lot of us hate on the young broke kids because they have no patience. They want everything right now, no matter if they can afford it or not. This attitude is why cheap knock-off brands have flourished.

2. people who cheaply build cars, JDM-YO style, then be assholes to anyone who is a noob or doesn't know about cars.

JDM is not cheap, that's strictly an American attitude. It's funny how you talk shit about the "JDM-YO" attitude, but you dropped the cheapest RB into your car just so you can say you've got an RB. Then you defend your choice tirelessly as if it wasn't just because the engine was so cheap.

3. Noobs / "ricers" who are actually the most respectful people on this forum.

I think you fall into THIS category, except for the "respectful" part that is.

The bottom line is that YOU get the attitudes that YOU get because of YOUR OWN attitude. You're extremely argumentative about everything and you clearly think you know better than everyone. You'll always be bashed on untill you realize that some other people may know more than you. Take the advice you're given and form your own opinion. Tirelessly arguing with everyone will get you nowhere but flamed.

[Kingtal0n]

checking to see if i have a blue name

edit* I do not have a blue name. /sad

[BlewByYou]

A blue name?

You lost me at hello:keke:

[racepar1]

A blue name?

You lost me at hello:keke:

You've got a "blew" name, does that count???

[jr_ss]

You don't have to have a "blue name" to know your shit, but clearly you have A LOT of learning to do.

We older guys lack patience for the younger crowd because you roll in here acting like you know everything. Obviously this isn't the case. We were young and dumb at one point, but life lessons, listening and experience have taught us a lot.

I am not one to pay for someone to do my work for me, that's part of building MY car. I have the abilities and facilities available to me to do my own work and when I cannot, I out source it.

I may be an asshole, smart ass, or whatever else you want to call me, but I've been around a hell of a lot longer than you and have seen people just like you come and go. You're all the same.

OV- People may flame on you, but if you would shut up and listen every once in awhile you may learn something. At the start of your membership people told you not to get the 20, obviously for more reasons than it being a bastard child. I respect your persistence, but it does get annoying at times. You are a very arguementative person based on threads I've seen you post in. Relax man, it's the Internet.

[OrangeVirus1]

Being the age I am now I realize that when I was young I was dumb. As you grow older you realize that. I wasn't the dumbest 19 year old, but comparatively speaking I knew nothing compared to what I know now. That statement applies not only to cars, but to life as a whole.



I'm 30...



Most of us with a "blue name" have been doing this for a while. We take modifying our cars seriously. Building a car costs money, if you don't have much money it takes patience. A lot of us hate on the young broke kids because they have no patience. They want everything right now, no matter if they can afford it or not. This attitude is why cheap knock-off brands have flourished.



JDM is not cheap, that's strictly an American attitude. It's funny how you talk shit about the "JDM-YO" attitude, but you dropped the cheapest RB into your car just so you can say you've got an RB. Then you defend your choice tirelessly as if it wasn't just because the engine was so cheap.



I think you fall into THIS category, except for the "respectful" part that is.

The bottom line is that YOU get the attitudes that YOU get because of YOUR OWN attitude. You're extremely argumentative about everything and you clearly think you know better than everyone. You'll always be bashed on untill you realize that some other people may know more than you. Take the advice you're given and form your own opinion. Tirelessly arguing with everyone will get you nowhere but flamed.



Thanks for the insight.
I don't know how many times I have to say this but I can say it again, I chould of had a Rb25 if I wanted.. but I wanted the Rb20. not because it's a jdm engine.. or because it's an Rb.

and I would be respectful if people would be respectful to me. which they are not. Respect my decision for what engine I chose, and i'll respect you back. Talk shit about me, I'll say shit back.
it works both ways. Just because I didn't take the advice about getting a SR, or Rb25.. I deserve to be constantly talked down to?

[racepar1]

Thanks for the insight.
I don't know how many times I have to say this but I can say it again, I chould of had a Rb25 if I wanted.. but I wanted the Rb20. not because it's a jdm engine.. or because it's an Rb.

and I would be respectful if people would be respectful to me. which they are not. Respect my decision for what engine I chose, and i'll respect you back. Talk shit about me, I'll say shit back.
it works both ways. Just because I didn't take the advice about getting a SR, or Rb25.. I deserve to be constantly talked down to?

Not everyone is going to like the way you built your car, roll with the punches and let it go.

You're talked down to because you constantly pop back with some ridiculous argument. You're talked down to because you seem to think that you know better than everyone. You're talked down to because you're new here and you just expect everyone to bow down in respect.

As stated previously, we've seen a LOT of guys like you come and go over the years. If you want respect you have to EARN it. Respect isn't free and you don't start off on the top of the food chain. Most of us went through our noob bashing stage. Some took it better than others, ME included. I smashed head first into zilvia demanding respect. It didn't work out so well initially. I kept my head down and earned the respect I desired over the years. I backed off and learned some shit. You need to calm down and do the same.

[greenwood]

it's probably because my hotside AR is 1.00 twin scroll, and my engine is 2.0. Stock RB20 intake manifold. Everywhere I have read online says the stock RB20 intake manifold flows really well.

it does keep it.

[AlexN]

if you have to ask this then go sr

[fliprayzin240sx]

I'm blue and I've paid people to build my cars...True story according to everybody's favorite Zilvia Troll. Respect? You got a $10,000 dollar car to wager so you can get some "respect?" I swear some days I wonder why you haven't migrated to NICO yet, I bet you'd get more "respect" there.

[AlexN]

lololol^^^^^

[GroundPerformance]

He *knows* I can box! So check it out, it's like this: If I lose, winner takes my car clean and clear. But if I win, I take the cash, *and* I take the respect!


Build a RB20DET Powered R34 now that's bad @$$ :bowdown::bowdown::bowdown:

http://www.empowernetwork.com/supercars/files/2013/02/2009_the_fast_and_the_furious_4_001.jpg

[fliprayzin240sx]

He's just mad cuz he have yet to find a nut-swinger out here. I'd give him props for sticking with the RB20 if he wasnt so fucking obnoxious on the way he tries so hard to justify himself to everybody.

[Casperjay]

i will add my 2 cents since i have owned both shitty sr20's and rb20's..

both engines are unreliable as hell unless they are freshly rebuilt. even then ive seen brand new sr20's blow up doing a very soft pull down the road. the most fun of the 2 was an rb20, even though it also is horribly unreliable, it sounded like angels mating. and it had awesome torque when it wasnt blowing turbo seals and shit. if you wanna waste your money on one of these to id pick an rb and at least have some sort of enjoyment before it pops

[guitaraholic]

i will add my 2 cents since i have owned both shitty sr20's and rb20's..

both engines are unreliable as hell unless they are freshly rebuilt. even then ive seen brand new sr20's blow up doing a very soft pull down the road. the most fun of the 2 was an rb20, even though it also is horribly unreliable, it sounded like angels mating. and it had awesome torque when it wasnt blowing turbo seals and shit. if you wanna waste your money on one of these to id pick an rb and at least have some sort of enjoyment before it pops


If the engine has been taken care of before you get it (that's what's key), then these engines are about as reliable as any other engine (at least the SR for sure).

I've put over 100k miles on my SR (so figure 130k-150k total) yes I got it used, and figured if it blew I would rebuild it, but I have yet to have any problems with the engine. For years I have been running it with the stock gt2560r with about 13-14lbs of boost, and I've just now recently stepped it up to a gt2860r, and might upgrade it to the gtx2867 at the end of the year.

- Engine doesn't use a drop of oil
- I get 29 mpg on the highway
- idles nice, runs smooth, starts every time


The only issues I've ever had, I caused myself (boost leak, manifold came loose when I replaced turbo, and car ran HORRIBLE, when I replaced the spark plugs when the coil pack bolt broke before I could get a replacement, oh and a "tiny" bit of moisture gets on the coil pack, and it's misfire city)

So it has been a learning experience, but everything else has been solid. In fact, the only thing I've had to replace that wasn't your normal maintenance was the timing chain tensioner, and I replaced the timing chain while I was at it.

I think the SR's get a reputation for being unreliable is a two fold cause.

1. Yes, the part I "kind" of agree with you is, you don't know what you are getting. You are hoping that the engine was taken care of before you get it. The first thing I did was look at the spark plugs, and see if they were either new (meaning replaced and then I would have wondered for what reason) or if they had signs of detonation. They were brown and a little worn, as they should be, no white spots, then a compression test. The rest you'll see if you have any problems in the first few thousand miles (e.g. oil leaks, bad bearings,,ect ect) but if the engine was taken care of, it's just as reliable as anything else

2. This is the BIG one. You got people that want a bazzillion horsepower, and think they can squeeze it out of a 2.0L engine without any ill effects. For the longest time I've been running close to 270whp (so at least 300 FW) and that is 50% more than what the engine was designed for.

You have people that are cranking the boost with stock injectors, stock fuel pump, or worse trying to ghetto rig their way into more horsepower by "fooling" the MAF, or getting a cheap FPR and cranking the pressure to make up for smaller injectors.

A lot of the guys with 240s are cheap, not saying it's always bad, yes, I'm a bit thrifty myself, but there are times you have to spend the money if you want to go faster, and many chose to ignore the safe guards and turn up the boost without the proper supporting mods.


Okay,, there is my rant, but unless I got a unicorn SR, the engine is pretty reliable.

[Con-city_s13]

I have an rb20 and regret it. If budget is a big deal, go sr. If you're dead set on six cylinders, go rb25. I remember hearing guys say this before i did my swap and ignored them. Do yourself a favor and dont get go rb20.

[33jrod33]

RB25 series 1 and 2...difference? pros cons. Yeah tried lookin it up. Just got pulled into build threads and what not lol. Very new to this game. Thanks in advance.

[S12 Drifter]

fixed.....

your a dumbass nissan silvia REBUILT a RB20 block did a shitty weld job of welding a GT-R manifold on the RB20 used ebay parts and pushed at much power until they ran into loads of lag.

they made 500hp on a STOCK rb20 pistons for OVER 10 hard pulls. 450 for OVER 50 hard bulls and 400hp with OVER 100 hard pulls they were trying to blow it up. it held, as a matter in fact the motor ended up outlasting the shop that re-built it.

I my self will be doing a RB20 compound turbo setup. and will easily push 600rwhp with little to no lag. BB T3 with either a GT35 or possibly a GT40 dual ball bearing. :yum:

flaws of the SR20

IT'S NOT A MAIN GIRDLE IT IS INTERNALLY A WEAK NISSAN ENGINE WITH A LOT OF FLEX!!!

it's an aluminum block but because it does not use a main girdle like the RB/ VG's ETC ETC a engine with a main girdle is physically STRONGER then a engine with main caps. the rocker arms show the SR20 is NOT built for performance, it was just a shitty communicator engine.

and while their BOTH 2 liters the RB has less stress across cylinders, RB makes 33.33hp per cylinder while the SR makes 50.00 hp per cylinder the RB is for sure going to be more reliable then the SR.

parts for the RB are NOT as hard to get as you might think it would be.

the SR20 is a shitty fan boi motor people buy because it was in fast and the furious.

do you want a true race inspired motor? FJ20 BEST 4 cylinder nissan made PERIOD end of story.

nissan engines

4 cylinder = FJ20

6 cylinder = RB/VR

v8 = VK56

the RB uses cam on bucket there is direct contact with the valve THUS there is minimal energy loss over period, the SR20 uses rockers, which can break, rocker tappets can go back and eat the lifter, there's a whole slew of things that can happen it also takes more energy to move a rockers and you also lose energy through points you have to move...

does it work? YES is it efficient? NO!

EDIT: stock FJ24's can make as much as 270 crank hp out of the pox with a mild compression of 10.5:1 thats not a lot, and in factory form, clearly the FJ IS a better engine then even the SR shitty.

[S12 Drifter]

i will add my 2 cents since i have owned both shitty sr20's and rb20's..

both engines are unreliable as hell unless they are freshly rebuilt. even then ive seen brand new sr20's blow up doing a very soft pull down the road. the most fun of the 2 was an rb20, even though it also is horribly unreliable, it sounded like angels mating. and it had awesome torque when it wasnt blowing turbo seals and shit. if you wanna waste your money on one of these to id pick an rb and at least have some sort of enjoyment before it pops

if you had a unreliable RB it's because YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOUR DOING!

RB = Real brains, because thats what it takes to build them. had it ever spun a bearing? had it ever dropped a valve? has it ever blew a rod out of the block?

the ENGINE it's self was reliable EVERYTHING ELSE! is aged, gaskets need to be changed, seals need to be changed, o-rings need to be changed. and if you blew a rb it was entirely YOUR fault for improper engine setup or improper rebuild.

any engine 20 years or older needs a re-fresh. I'm willing to bet it was probably either your tune, or you have SHITTY luck building motors, or dont know what your doing because nissan engines ARE reliable ESPECIALLY THE rb20 being only 2 liters.

[OrangeVirus1]

All I got to say is I put down 554 at the wheels on my RB20 without even a head gasket.
stock intake manifold, stock cams, stock pistons / rods, stock bore, just a really big turbo :)

Now.. the head gasket popped shortly after lol, but with Cometic + ARPs you're golden.

if your car is unreliable, it isn't the engines fault, it's the person who owns it.

[S12 Drifter]

All I got to say is I put down 554 at the wheels on my RB20 without even a head gasket.
stock intake manifold, stock cams, stock pistons / rods, stock bore, just a really big turbo :)

Now.. the head gasket popped shortly after lol, but with Cometic + ARPs you're golden.

if your car is unreliable, it isn't the engines fault, it's the person who owns it.


you're after my own heart <3 LMAO! you should consider going compound the benifits are godly. full boost by 2,800 all the way to 8,500? and not a dip in power, the perfect power band haha.

:ughd:

[OrangeVirus1]

you're after my own heart <3 LMAO! you should consider going compound the benifits are godly. full boost by 2,800 all the way to 8,500? and not a dip in power, the perfect power band haha.

:ughd:

I am actually doing a Twincharge build on it. I am sticking with my Big turbo for the high end, while using a Eaton Supercharger to get me spooled quicker.

That is a form of compound aswell because they won't be indpendent, the Turbo will be feeding the supercharger, which will compress the boost!

Should be done with it by end of june.

4k-9k is fun zone :P, but I blew my head gasket at 9200, and You get some serious Valve float around 9200


and dude don't even bother with the RB20 speal.. these people here are Die hard Sr20 fans, even when they blow up revving to what a RB20 could consider cruising RPM.
I've said the exact same things to them, Less load per rod, higher rpm, Less detonation because you can run less advance due to the smaller cylinders.. the list goes on. and they say "SR this SR that"
They will never open up to the fact that if you put the two in a line up, the SR20 will blow up before the RB20 even starts getting stressed out.

[S12 Drifter]

I am actually doing a Twincharge build on it. I am sticking with my Big turbo for the high end, while using a Eaton Supercharger to get me spooled quicker.

That is a form of compound aswell because they won't be indpendent, the Turbo will be feeding the supercharger, which will compress the boost!

Should be done with it by end of june.

4k-9k is fun zone :P, but I blew my head gasket at 9200, and You get some serious Valve float around 9200


and dude don't even bother with the RB20 speal.. these people here are Die hard Sr20 fans, even when they blow up revving to what a RB20 could consider cruising RPM.
I've said the exact same things to them, Less load per rod, higher rpm, Less detonation because you can run less advance due to the smaller cylinders.. the list goes on. and they say "SR this SR that"
They will never open up to the fact that if you put the two in a line up, the SR20 will blow up before the RB20 even starts getting stressed out.


that is BALLS badass.

no one builds RB20's they slap on a rb25 turbo and complain about lag because it's not setup properly LOL n00bs

and yea a bunch of ignorant people i suppose if your going to follow one another follow each other like blind sheep haha

[OrangeVirus1]

lol Lag.. I don't see any boost until 4k rpm WOT

and that's if I WOT right off idle RPM in 3rd gear.

[S12 Drifter]

lol Lag.. I don't see any boost until 4k rpm WOT

and that's if I WOT right off idle RPM in 3rd gear.

I've seen thats about the RB20's boost threshold around 3000-4k honestly that's still not so bad.

My R32 GTS-T daily driver. RB20, big turbo, big power, but small budget. (http://www.driftworks.com/forum/drift-car-projects-builds/187808-my-r32-gts-t-daily-driver-rb20-big-turbo-big-power-but-small-budget.html)

hahaha I was thinking of also doing HY35 like this guy lol

[OrangeVirus1]

I've seen thats about the RB20's boost threshold around 3000-4k honestly that's still not so bad.

My R32 GTS-T daily driver. RB20, big turbo, big power, but small budget. (http://www.driftworks.com/forum/drift-car-projects-builds/187808-my-r32-gts-t-daily-driver-rb20-big-turbo-big-power-but-small-budget.html)

hahaha I was thinking of also doing HY35 like this guy lol

I'd personally go with a HX40 or bigger sized turbo.

I don't like the Holset 35 anything.. Not enough power for that "big size"

and the only thing about a compound build, is that if you really want to make boost down low, you need a REALLY small turbo like K03 sized, which IMO would be a restriction up top even with compound. that's why I decided against it. the Rb20 doesn't even spool a T25 fast enough..

[S12 Drifter]

I'd personally go with a HX40 or bigger sized turbo.

I don't like the Holset 35 anything.. Not enough power for that "big size"

and the only thing about a compound build, is that if you really want to make boost down low, you need a REALLY small turbo like K03 sized, which IMO would be a restriction up top even with compound. that's why I decided against it. the Rb20 doesn't even spool a T25 fast enough..

ahh I see, I'm pretty new to RB's but there nothing special just another nissan engine but pretty nicely built, simple to work on etc etc. I've messed with a few of them but never owned one but now as a owner their pretty simple engines.

looking to make 400-500hp reliably haha. with supporting mods but I'd be happy with 400 honestly.

[OrangeVirus1]

ahh I see, I'm pretty new to RB's but there nothing special just another nissan engine but pretty nicely built, simple to work on etc etc. I've messed with a few of them but never owned one but now as a owner their pretty simple engines.

looking to make 400-500hp reliably haha. with supporting mods but I'd be happy with 400 honestly.

400 is easy. good sized turbo, fuel mods, tune, done.
yeah they really aren't that special, and they aren't that awesome either. you want to get into the awesome the 4G63 will hands down beat anything.

Compound build is gonna be hard, you will need a custom manifold. for 400hp, if you don't mind a little late spooling ( 36-3800 ) You can do it just from a good turbo.

I'd say get a Gt3071, or a Borg Warner Sxxx

[hobbs]

flaws of the SR20

IT'S NOT A MAIN GIRDLE IT IS INTERNALLY A WEAK NISSAN ENGINE WITH A LOT OF FLEX!!!

it's an aluminum block but because it does not use a main girdle like the RB/ VG's ETC ETC a engine with a main girdle is physically STRONGER then a engine with main caps. the rocker arms show the SR20 is NOT built for performance, it was just a shitty communicator engine.



Florida strikes again with massive amounts of the dumb.

http://teamredstage.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/dsc_3772_011.jpg

[jr_ss]

flaws of the SR20

IT'S NOT A MAIN GIRDLE IT IS INTERNALLY A WEAK NISSAN ENGINE WITH A LOT OF FLEX!!!

it's an aluminum block but because it does not use a main girdle like the RB/ VG's ETC ETC a engine with a main girdle is physically STRONGER then a engine with main caps. the rocker arms show the SR20 is NOT built for performance, it was just a shitty communicator engine.

and while their BOTH 2 liters the RB has less stress across cylinders, RB makes 33.33hp per cylinder while the SR makes 50.00 hp per cylinder the RB is for sure going to be more reliable then the SR.

parts for the RB are NOT as hard to get as you might think it would be.

the SR20 is a shitty fan boi motor people buy because it was in fast and the furious.

Apparently you have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you're confusing yourself with the SR20DE and not the SR20DET. All DET's have a main girdles, not to mention very stout rods from the factory. I myself, among with many others have had motors that put out 500whp on factory rods. So, before you go out there spitting misinformation, perhaps you should do some research.

[hobbs]

All SR20DE JDM and USDM come with main girdles aswell, only motors that do not are the SR16VE/SR20VE.

[S12 Drifter]

Apparently you have no idea what you're talking about. Perhaps you're confusing yourself with the SR20DE and not the SR20DET. All DET's have a main girdles, not to mention very stout rods from the factory. I myself, among with many others have had motors that put out 500whp on factory rods. So, before you go out there spitting misinformation, perhaps you should do some research.

I never said anything about RODS! i said mains. and i must have mistake my self with the crank girdle.

regardless the rocker is a terrible. just because you and a million other people put down 500hp does not make it efficient.

please keep in mind reliability and efficiency are two different things.

[S12 Drifter]

i can make 1,500hp in my 5.0 ford stang with in block cam and push rods. does that mean it's reliable? yes does make it efficient in it's operation? NO it's possibly the LEAST efficient type of valve train setup.

[OrangeVirus1]

Florida strikes again with massive amounts of the dumb.



with all the shit I say, It's a wonder why I don't live in florida :P

[hobbs]

I never said anything about RODS! i said mains. and i must have mistake my self with the crank girdle.

regardless the rocker is a terrible. just because you and a million other people put down 500hp does not make it efficient.

please keep in mind reliability and efficiency are two different things.

A crank girdle and main girdle are the same thing. Again, you have no idea what you're talking about.

i can make 1,500hp in my 5.0 ford stang with in block cam and push rods. does that mean it's reliable? yes does make it efficient in it's operation? NO it's possibly the LEAST efficient type of valve train setup.

Who said anything about a 5.0?

[jr_ss]

All SR20DE JDM and USDM come with main girdles aswell, only motors that do not are the SR16VE/SR20VE.

I meant VE dammit...

I never said anything about RODS! i said mains. and i must have mistake my self with the crank girdle.

regardless the rocker is a terrible. just because you and a million other people put down 500hp does not make it efficient.

please keep in mind reliability and efficiency are two different things.

No one will argue that the Rocker design is bad, but it doesn't mean is an unreliable or unefficient motor. People use them to RACE, there are going to be casualties...

Putting 500hp down through any 2L actually makes them efficient. Infact, if you do the math, a 2L 4cyl making 500hp is more efficient than your 2L 6cyl making the same power and weighing 300lbs less while doing it.

[hobbs]

with all the shit I say, It's a wonder why I don't live in florida :P

You've gotten better, I do have a feeling your days of intercooler piping with duct tape and zip ties are coming to an end. Starting to realize what everyone has told you in the past kinda is making some sense now?

[OrangeVirus1]

You've gotten better, I do have a feeling your days of intercooler piping with duct tape and zip ties are coming to an end. Starting to realize what everyone has told you in the past kinda is making some sense now?

yes those days are over. and I try harder to listen before I start spouting shit.

I swear I only put the duck tape on that pipe to make it look better, it was beat so damn bad.

I still think Rb20 > SR20, except the sad fact that on my dyno paper I was making like 110whp with no boost, which is sad for any straight 6 in existence.

also I read everywhere the Rb20 is only 100lbs heavier. and I'd have to disagree on efficiency. 500hp out of a 6 is more efficient because there is less work on each cylinder to make that power.
when I think efficiency I think how easy it is to do X or X. 1000 HP out of a v8 is way more efficient than 1000hp out of a I4.

[hobbs]

also I read everywhere the Rb20 is only 100lbs heavier. and I'd have to disagree on efficiency. 500hp out of a 6 is more efficient because there is less work on each cylinder to make that power.
when I think efficiency I think how easy it is to do X or X. 1000 HP out of a v8 is way more efficient than 1000hp out of a I4.

No way the RB20 is only 100lbs heavier, no way in hell.

As far as efficiency, you're doing more work per cylinder on the SR vs RB, you're efficiency rating is higher with the SR because you're doing more with less. I think you confusing efficiency with load per cylinder.

[jr_ss]

yes those days are over. and I try harder to listen before I start spouting shit.

I swear I only put the duck tape on that pipe to make it look better, it was beat so damn bad.

I still think Rb20 > SR20, except the sad fact that on my dyno paper I was making like 110whp with no boost, which is sad for any straight 6 in existence.


That's your personal opinion, just like it is everyone else's that doesn't like the RB20. Don't get so butt hurt over it.

also I read everywhere the Rb20 is only 100lbs heavier. and I'd have to disagree on efficiency. 500hp out of a 6 is more efficient because there is less work on each cylinder to make that power.
when I think efficiency I think how easy it is to do X or X. 1000 HP out of a v8 is way more efficient than 1000hp out of a I4.

That's not efficieny though... Your using more cylinders, more fuel, more drag, more everything to make those numbers with more rotating mass and parts. It makes them less efficient, not more efficient. Now can those larger motors can be more reliable because they have less stresses on those internal parts, yes.

[OrangeVirus1]

No way the RB20 is only 100lbs heavier, no way in hell.

As far as efficiency, you're doing more work per cylinder on the SR vs RB, you're efficiency rating is higher with the SR because you're doing more with less. I think you confusing efficiency with load per cylinder.

right, wouldn't less load = more efficient? I dunno.. whatever.

I stand by my statement that the Rb20 is only a boat anchor if you leave it stock.

[jr_ss]

right, wouldn't less load = more efficient? I dunno.. whatever.

I stand by my statement that the Rb20 is only a boat anchor if you leave it stock.

Less load doesn't equate to more efficient...

And that would be a good statement.

[hobbs]

right, wouldn't less load = more efficient? I dunno.. whatever.

I stand by my statement that the Rb20 is only a boat anchor if you leave it stock.

Agreed, nissan could have made the RB motors so much better if they just fixed little shit. I am a FWD SR20 guy at heart though.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Fuck, this thread is still alive?!?!

[S12 Drifter]

That's your personal opinion, just like it is everyone else's that doesn't like the RB20. Don't get so butt hurt over it.



That's not efficieny though... Your using more cylinders, more fuel, more drag, more everything to make those numbers with more rotating mass and parts. It makes them less efficient, not more efficient. Now can those larger motors can be more reliable because they have less stresses on those internal parts, yes.

and all that cancels it's self out BECAUSE the inline 6 is naturally a perfect balance.

a 1000hp v8 vs 1000hp 4 cylinder.

4 cylinder keeps up with v8 but AT WHAT COST?!?!? 1,000hp for a V8 IS NOT THE SAME 1,000hp for a 4 cylinder to COMPLETELY different power ranges the END RESULT is 1,000hp

the V8 is making a easy 125hp per cylinder while the 4 cylinder is making 250hp per cylinder, the 4 cylinder is doing 2 TIMES THE WORK! for the same result as a v8 doing LESS work making more power. in other words if the V8 had to push 250hp per cylinder it would be 2,000hp with the same work as your 4 cylinder.

additional the 4 cylinder is the ROUGHEST running engine by nature. V8 and inline 6 are POSSIBLY the smoothest running engines by nature.

[OrangeVirus1]

No way the RB20 is only 100lbs heavier, no way in hell.


my bad, I read again, the RB20 is 100lbs heavier than the KA.

Don't get so butt hurt over it.


Hey I'm not, I'm done trying to argue with anyone about anything. I'm just having fun with my car now.

and all that cancels it's self out BECAUSE the inline 6 is naturally a perfect balance.

a 1000hp v8 vs 1000hp 4 cylinder.

4 cylinder keeps up with v8 but AT WHAT COST?!?!? 1,000hp for a V8 IS NOT THE SAME 1,000hp for a 4 cylinder to COMPLETELY different power ranges the END RESULT is 1,000hp

the V8 is making a easy 125hp per cylinder while the 4 cylinder is making 250hp per cylinder, the 4 cylinder is doing 2 TIMES THE WORK! for the same result as a v8 doing LESS work making more power. in other words if the V8 had to push 250hp per cylinder it would be 2,000hp with the same work as your 4 cylinder.

additional the 4 cylinder is the ROUGHEST running engine by nature. V8 and inline 6 are POSSIBLY the smoothest running engines by nature.

I just realized it's retarded to argue about efficiency unless you have programs and machines to calculate all variables, Perfect intake runner / manifold balance, head porting size.. cylinder design, piston design, Rod to piston length ratio, there is just too much shit.

and I'd have to say a 3 cylinder is pretty rough.

[S12 Drifter]

rocker arm is terrible you lose energy over a large area this is why the VG30DET, CA18DET, KA24DE, RB20/25/26, VK, VH, FJ, S20 are all cam on bucket the faster you get your motion to the lifter and to the bucket the faster you have a valve action, you may have a rocker but it takes energy and the metals flex slightly not much but they do in very small amounts, you need to take up slack of the rocker and lifter even if it is hydraulic it still has a bit of slack.

this is why cam on bucket motors run just a bit better then rocker arm, and the not least but push rods which SUCK!

even worse then push rod is a flat head ford with valves built into the block... two stroke status.

[OrangeVirus1]

rocker arm is terrible you lose energy over a large area this is why the VG30DET, CA18DET, KA24DE, RB20/25/26, VK, VH, FJ, S20 are all cam on bucket the faster you get your motion to the lifter and to the bucket the faster you have a valve action, you may have a rocker but it takes energy and the metals flex slightly not much but they do in very small amounts, you need to take up slack of the rocker and lifter even if it is hydraulic it still has a bit of slack.

this is why cam on bucket motors run just a bit better then rocker arm, and the not least but push rods which SUCK!

even worse then push rod is a flat head ford with valves built into the block... two stroke status.

They already agreed that the SR20 head sucks. You're fighting a losing battle.

[corbin]

I'd choose KA-T. Faster than SR in a straight line.

[jr_ss]

and all that cancels it's self out BECAUSE the inline 6 is naturally a perfect balance. additional the 4 cylinder is the ROUGHEST running engine by nature. V8 and inline 6 are POSSIBLY the smoothest running engines by nature.

What's your point? I thought we were talking reliability/efficiency. I know an I6 is a naturally balanced and harmonic engine. It wont stop me from making more power than your RB20 with less boost and live harmoniously in 4cyl fury.

a 1000hp v8 vs 1000hp 4 cylinder.

4 cylinder keeps up with v8 but AT WHAT COST?!?!? 1,000hp for a V8 IS NOT THE SAME 1,000hp for a 4 cylinder to COMPLETELY different power ranges the END RESULT is 1,000hp

the V8 is making a easy 125hp per cylinder while the 4 cylinder is making 250hp per cylinder, the 4 cylinder is doing 2 TIMES THE WORK! for the same result as a v8 doing LESS work making more power. in other words if the V8 had to push 250hp per cylinder it would be 2,000hp with the same work as your 4 cylinder.

Your V8 isn't more efficient. It took 4 extra cylinders to make the same power you made in a I4 engine. The I4 isn't working twice as hard, however it's cylinder stresses are increased.

That's still not efficiency no matter how you slice it... You're not going to get it, and it's ok.

rocker arm is terrible you lose energy over a large area this is why the VG30DET, CA18DET, KA24DE, RB20/25/26, VK, VH, FJ, S20 are all cam on bucket the faster you get your motion to the lifter and to the bucket the faster you have a valve action, you may have a rocker but it takes energy and the metals flex slightly not much but they do in very small amounts, you need to take up slack of the rocker and lifter even if it is hydraulic it still has a bit of slack.

this is why cam on bucket motors run just a bit better then rocker arm, and the not least but push rods which SUCK!

even worse then push rod is a flat head ford with valves built into the block... two stroke status.

Tell that to the engineers at Nissan, Honda and anyone else that run a variable timing and lift head. Please read below...

They already agreed that the SR20 head sucks. You're fighting a losing battle.

Exactly... You can dry hump the motor you hardly know yet all you want. We all have our opinions and facts that we... er most of us back our conversations up with, so no matter how hard you try, you're not going to get anywhere.

[S12 Drifter]

Your V8 isn't more efficient. It took 4 extra cylinders to make the same power you made in a I4 engine. The I4 isn't working twice as hard, however it's cylinder stresses are increased.

you wanna play LETS PLAY.

SR20 VS VK56

stock for stock 200 vs 317 hp

had a bigger turbo to your SR get 350hp add a twin turbo to the vk get almost 600hp instantly.

even the Ferrari F40 3.8l V8 in production form makes more power then a SR BECAUSE THE 4 EXTRA CYLINDER HELP WITH exhaust gasses and exhaust pressure, their not just dead weight you know. it did not take 4 extra cylinders thats the way the motor was made as a v8. not as a 4 cylinder with another 4 cylinder bolted on.

show me the most powerful SR you've seen and i will show you 6,000hp V8's make 6x what your SR can make BECAUSE LESS STRESS per cylinder = more efficient engine.

[S12 Drifter]

Tell that to the engineers at Nissan, Honda and anyone else that run a variable timing and lift head. Please read below...

.

nissan runs variable timing control on the VG30DE/DETT rb25/26 and VK? maybe it was the VH? and they do not use rocker arms.

/discussion.

[jr_ss]

Timing control, not lift. Go back and reread my post.

So a 2l motor vs a 5.6l motor, one makes 220 the other 305. And you think the V8 is more efficient. Yeah, you know what you're talking about...

[wangan_cruiser]

This thread is fucking stupid to begin with. Seriously?? A 4 banger vs a 6 straighy 6? Go figure

[S12 Drifter]

Timing control, not lift. Go back and reread my post.

So a 2l motor vs a 5.6l motor, one makes 220 the other 305. And you think the V8 is more efficient. Yeah, you know what you're talking about...
how much does a SR20DE make? 120? 130 AT THE CRANK? 90h at that wheels? 100 at the wheels?

okay then

[racepar1]

Holy fucking shit. JUST LET THIS DIE!

Now we're bringing v-8's into the mix as well. Yeah, let's compare an engine with close to 3x the displacement of the SR. At least when the RB20 was being compared it made some sense. Also we'll argue constantly about the efficiency of the engines. As if you know anything about engine efficiency or how to calculate/compare it. WTF is wrong with Zilvia lately???

EDIT: The N/A SR makes 120hp @ the crank let's say. The VK56 makes 305hp @ the crank let's say. The VK has 2.8x the displacement of the SR. 120x2.8=336...

[ultimateirving]

I want to play!

He(s12drifter) is using the term efficient incorrectly.
Is the V8 more efficient at handling load per cylinder?
Is it more efficient at making power?
You need to state the "what" that is more efficient.





l2p

[ILoveJDM]

and all that cancels it's self out BECAUSE the inline 6 is naturally a perfect balance.

a 1000hp v8 vs 1000hp 4 cylinder.

4 cylinder keeps up with v8 but AT WHAT COST?!?!? 1,000hp for a V8 IS NOT THE SAME 1,000hp for a 4 cylinder to COMPLETELY different power ranges the END RESULT is 1,000hp

the V8 is making a easy 125hp per cylinder while the 4 cylinder is making 250hp per cylinder, the 4 cylinder is doing 2 TIMES THE WORK! for the same result as a v8 doing LESS work making more power. in other words if the V8 had to push 250hp per cylinder it would be 2,000hp with the same work as your 4 cylinder.

additional the 4 cylinder is the ROUGHEST running engine by nature. V8 and inline 6 are POSSIBLY the smoothest running engines by nature.


You should compare apples to apples here.

2.0L 4cyl vs 2.0L 6cyl

so compare a 2.0Lcyl vs a 2.0L v8 plz.

[Bmxer300zx]

S12dorifto is just Anti sr20, he's crying on someones build thread that's swapping a sr20det into a z32 talking about how much torque his vg30Et makes over ANY sr ever .... point is he wants big power and big torque with soo little money he should go buy a cumaro and do a 6.0 swap then he'll have the power of the pushrod gods at his toetips.

[S12 Drifter]

s12dorifto is just anti sr20, he's crying on someones build thread that's swapping a sr20det into a z32 talking about how much torque his vg30et makes over any sr ever .... Point is he wants big power and big torque with soo little money he should go buy a cumaro and do a 6.0 swap then he'll have the power of the pushrod gods at his toetips.

your fucking right because the sr20 is a piece of shit nissan made it cheaply as something to stick in the s chassis!

I'm building my Z31 FOR TRACK not drag i could care less about drag, yea my VG makes power, I've snapped CV axles, I've broken transmissions and snapped more CV axles.

and guess what? The little RB20 i have will make more power then the VG30ET because 4 valves per cylinder dohc > 2 valves per cylinder SOHC

if you read what i post i'd know the VG30 ET is a good street engine and thats about it, RB is a more track inspired motor. the Z31's CAME with RB's anyway in the 200ZR models

[jr_ss]

Dude, get over yourself. No one cares about your opinion.

[S12 Drifter]

Dude, get over yourself. No one cares about your opinion.
does not change the fact that the SR20 is a piece of garbage

[jr_ss]

does not change the fact that the SR20 is a piece of garbage

Whatever helps you sleep at night. Have fun butt fucking your 2L RB.

[ILoveJDM]

when you type in big letters, its because you're on the ground being shit kicked by a circle of people and no one can hear you over the laughter.

[Bmxer300zx]

In all honesty your a tool. Just cause you dont like the sr20 doesnt make them horrible, there's sr20's running low 7/ high 6 quarter mile times. You argueing your outdated vg30et that makes less hp stock as a s14 sr20 makes no sense. How bout the s15 sr? Thats more hp (250hp) than your v6eT and 220tq (7ftlbs less)
In stock form sr20/rb20 i have driven both in my car and theres not that much of a difference but a couple hundred rpms of lag With the rb and stayed neck and neck racing sr20 240's . If engine size is your arguement of why its good why are you messing with anything other than a v8 to begin with?

[feito]

wtf is this v8 talk now? Why is there bold big letters in this page? What's happening to silvia? I love my reliable as hell stock rb25, sounds like god's singing too!

[korito727]

Oh we're tossing in other engines now..? My 1jz sc300 hangs on the door of my friends t28 sr....... Before I hit boost that is :)))

But in reality this is way off topic and stupid now. There pos and neg to each engine.

[hobbs]

if you read what i post i'd know the VG30 ET is a good street engine and thats about it, RB is a more track inspired motor. the Z31's CAME with RB's anyway in the 200ZR models

First off, no one here cares about your heap of shit Z31 or the garbage that they call the VG motor.

Second, RB is a track inspired motor? Skyline in japan is nothing more than a generic grocery getter, it's the japanese crown victoria. They were heavy, slow and boaty cars that needed turbo chargers to get anywhere, nothing was sporty about the GTS-Ts. The only exception was the RB26/GTR for obvious reasons. Atleast the 180sx/200sx was made and marketed as a sports coupe, light and nimble with one of the best inline 4 motors made.

RB20/RB25 track inspired motors, what a joke!

[OneSicSilvia]

Your a dumb ass. The SR is def one of the better 4 cyls made lol...even to date. Comparing a RB20 to an SR is very generic. Both are good motors. But no matter how you cut the fucking pie, To make power, both need to be upgraded. the SR is generally easier to aquire parts for, and cheaper. I've had many SR's and revved the everlasting shit out of them. Never had a issue with the rocker arms lol. What are your goals?! The fact that your comparing V8's to 4 cyls automatically makes your attempt to validate a point null and void. Again. I fucking hate when people say that shit "a 1000hp v8 vs 1000hp 4 cylinder" *Beep Beep Beep* Asshole alert!. Chances youll ever see 1000hp out of any motor you will own? FUCK ALL. Because the percentage of people who actually own motors that fast is shit!. Even 500hp range % is fairly low in comparison. So wtf is your point?. You have a pipe dream. Congratulations`. You and everyone else. SR is a popular swap, thats about the only shit thing it has going for it, aside form the downside of it being so popular that its expensive to buy a motor set. So quit your worthless blabber, when your clearly dont know dick about wtf your even gibbering about. The SR is fine, Your attitude about it is that of a handicapped moron. :gives:

[S12 Drifter]

The fj is possibly the best 4 cylinder nissan made fj/ka/ca/qr sr. In that order.

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[OneSicSilvia]

Yes Clearly the FJ was the best 4 they made...hence it's long and prosperous heritage rofl... And since you were so dire straits about literage Shouldnt the QR be the top dog despite it being a turd?. Followed by the KA. :hey:

[S12 Drifter]

Yes Clearly the FJ was the best 4 they made...hence it's long and prosperous heritage rofl... And since you were so dire straits about literage Shouldnt the QR be the top dog despite it being a turd?. Followed by the KA. :hey:

Before you insult me LEARN to spell and use proper grammar half this site has less grammar then a 4th grade English class.

Yes, clearly the FJ was the best 4 cylinder they made, hence it's long and prosperous heritage rofl... What the fuck is that? literage? I've never heard that word and my firefox can't find a sub for it either.

shouldnt is spelled in shouldn't,

the FJ is a way better engine then the SR. but it's alright, your ignorant about other engines I'll just let you be with your trailer trash SR. Just by your spelling pffttt, nah I'm done I don't want to go to hell for making fun of retards.

[OneSicSilvia]

Youve never heard of literage being used before?. You must not get out much. Thats ok, I'll stick with my trash SR lol, chances are it is, and will be faster then anything youll have anytime soon lol. Fucking basement nerd getting all strung out over grammar on the interwebs lol. Thats how you know your winning an argument, when someone points out your typo's lol. :fawkd:

[S12 Drifter]

Youve never heard of literage being used before?. You must not get out much. Thats ok, I'll stick with my trash SR lol, chances are it is, and will be faster then anything youll have anytime soon lol. Fucking basement nerd getting all strung out over grammar on the interwebs lol. Thats how you know your winning an argument, when someone points out your typo's lol. :fawkd:

Naaaah pretty sure my VG will run miles on your SR motor for motor.

[hobbs]

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/131/351/eb6.jpg?1307463786

As said above, looks like you've got nothing left when you start pointing out grammar and spelling mistakes to try and save your argument.

[wangan_cruiser]

S12 drifter. Pls stfu. Save us your garbage pls.

[OneSicSilvia]

Naaaah pretty sure my VG will run miles on your SR motor for motor.

Best of luck to you lol. Bro you spelled Nah wrong. Just saying. wtf is motor for motor?. are you suggesting stock, cause mine is far from stock lol.

[S12 Drifter]

Best of luck to you lol. Bro you spelled Nah wrong. Just saying. wtf is motor for motor?. are you suggesting stock, cause mine is far from stock lol.

Don't know what you have done don't care, the way they sit right now.

[OrangeVirus1]

D15/b16 na > sr20, rb20, rb26
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)


Here is my 2 cents!
They are both good engines, the RB20 has some advantages over the SR, but it also has some drawbacks.

Rb20 Advantages:
Iron block ( this is also a disadvantage, weight)
Valvtrain
6 cyl, less cylinder load
will rev ( I've personally taken it past 9k, Don't do it though, head gasket goes boom, valve float, etc lol )
Disadvantes:
Makes as much torque as a honda engine
Makes as much power as a honda engine ( out of boost )
Parts are more expensive, you need 2 more of everything ( injectors, spark plugs, etc )
Heavy
Stock pistons look like a kindergardner cut them out by hand

SR20 Advantages:
Quicker spooling
more torque
lighter in weight
easier swap
Cheaper parts
Disadvantages:
stock valvetrain has it's limits/ not as rev happy
Aluminum block ( also weight advantage )
more load per rod
sounds like ass ( personal haha )

[SidewaysGts]

Before you insult me LEARN to spell and use proper grammar half this site has less grammar then a 4th grade English class.

What the fuck is that? literage? I've never heard that word and my firefox can't find a sub for it either.

shouldnt is spelled in shouldn't,


You need a punctuation mark between "grammar" and "half". "Then" what did the 4th grade english class do? I believe you meant that half this site has less grammar "than" a 4th grade English class, not then a 4th grade English class. Im no grammar nazi, but if youre going to criticize someone elses grammar- youd best make sure youre on top of your own first. Proper word selection might be a good place to begin. Id suggest learning the differences between "then" (time) and "than" (comparative).

[Bmxer300zx]

D15/b16 na > sr20det gt35r, rb20deTTT, rb26deTT DUAL T90R POWERED
:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)


Here is my 2 cents!
They are both good engines, the RB20 has some advantages over the SR, but it also has some drawbacks.

Rb20 Advantages:
Iron block ( this is also a disadvantage, weight)
Valvtrain
6 cyl, less cylinder load
will rev ( I've personally taken it past 9k, Don't do it though, head gasket goes boom, valve float, etc lol )
Disadvantes:
Makes as much torque as a honda engine
Makes as much power as a honda engine ( out of boost )
Parts are more expensive, you need 2 more of everything ( injectors, spark plugs, etc )
Heavy
Stock pistons look like a kindergardner cut them out by hand

SR20 Advantages:
Quicker spooling
more torque
lighter in weight
easier swap
Cheaper parts
Disadvantages:
stock valvetrain has it's limits/ not as rev happy
Aluminum block ( also weight advantage )
more load per rod
sounds like ass ( personal haha )
*fixed that first part for ya lol*
I will agree to this except the honda tq thing. Ive driven a b16a1 crx and low end on that was a bags of dicks rolling uphill. Drove a ka24 swapped civic 2002 si and was happy when I went back to my rb20det.

[jr_ss]

This guy is worse than a J.V. OrangeVirus...

[OrangeVirus1]

This guy is worse than a J.V. OrangeVirus...

yes, everyone focus your attention away from me!:hide:

[fliprayzin240sx]

This guy is worse than a J.V. OrangeVirus...

I swear, this better not be his second account. I call for a fucking IP check!!! S12 Drifter is making Orangevirus a fucking mad scientist.

[OrangeVirus1]

I swear, this better not be his second account. I call for a fucking IP check!!! S12 Drifter is making Orangevirus a fucking mad scientist.

If you are saying that S12 drift is me. I assure you it's not.
I would never affiliate myself with anything that is Florida, it's not me.

[Danger_Dorn]

Ok lets do the math. SR20 is 4 cyl. RB20 is 6 cyl... Ex. Spark plugs are $4 a piece. So 16 vs 24 ducks. THIS PATTERN WILL CONTINUE though rebuilds, coil packs, parts...anything. As far as aftermarket support the SR20 is unsurpassed. Get the SR, the RB is expensive and stupid. If your going RB it better be a RB25 or 26 otherwise you are dumb :s101:

[EnemyS15]

I'm calling animal control on you. No one should have 16 or 24 ducks laying around, to trade for spark plugs.

[FORZA MILAN0]

I'm calling animal control on you. No one should have 16 or 24 ducks laying around, to trade for spark plugs.

get the aspca or peta on his ass. that shit is not cool.

[FORZA MILAN0]

Just go 2jz, you will never regret it. never been a fan of the sr/rb swaps

[ultimateirving]

Just go 2jz, you will never regret it. never been a fan of the sr/rb swaps

Get out fanboi. Nissan only

[jr_ss]

Why can't you guys just let it DIE?!?!?!?

[240boi115]

it will never die!!!^^^ lol
seriously though in all truth im surprised this didn't evolve into a ka vs sr dispute... a inline 6 vs a 4 banger? and both 2.0L? come on peeps obviously the sr is getting way more bang for the liters and cylinders available? less stress because of more cylinders? i can guarantee that there are more things to fix on a broken 6 cylinder than a 4 cylinder. less parts less problems to fix. simple as that. and that goes for V8's too. yes we fucking know a v8 produces large reliable power but no fucking shit it does.... if i saw a 2.0L v8 i would piss myself in laughter at how stupid that is. comparing a v8 to a 4 banger really guys? lay the fuck off. once again im really surprised this didnt turn into a ka vs sr battle because to be completely honest BOTH are 4 bangers, its a 2L vs 2.4L, and honestly boosted(KA) they are close competition as well so for OP if he is even going to look back at this thread... got ka-t or sr because in the end its a good place to start.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Get out fanboi. Nissan only

Why the fuck not 2JZ? Engine's available in the US, parts are easier to find, you'd have to do the same amount of work compared to an RB25/26 swap (mounts, wiring, driveshafts for the biggie), more HP potential and you dont have to worry about melting your brake master cylinder since the intake and exhaust is flipped.

[FORZA MILAN0]

Why the fuck not 2JZ? Engine's available in the US, parts are easier to find, you'd have to do the same amount of work compared to an RB25/26 swap (mounts, wiring, driveshafts for the biggie), more HP potential and you dont have to worry about melting your brake master cylinder since the intake and exhaust is flipped.

Thank you... can we be best friends?

@Ultimateirving: Dont get me wrong, I thinkg the RB's are great motors, but they're just to much of a headache to deal with. Like flip said parts are easier to find, I could walk into autozone and pick up a water pump, where as rb I have to order it and wait. its things like that.

I posted this in another thread, but tell me, what motor can handle 1000 hp on stock internals?

2jz :D

[EnemyS15]

B16 motor......... Duuuhh.

[S12 Drifter]

in the world of racing and competition there IS NO replacement for displacement + cylinder head flow. a KA24DET will easily out perform a SR. a RB20 will easily out perform a SR mod for mod.

awwww is the RB too expensive for you? put up or shut up no one gets free hand outs in the world of engines and cars in other words you have to pay to play. at this point 2 liter vs 2 liter ITS ALL ABOUT CYLINDER HEAD FLOW! thats the number 1 thing in any engine. :bash: you say LSx? their shitty engines with shit power, compare a LT1 to a LT5 both are the same engine except one is push rod and the other is dohc 4 valves per cylinder.

lt1 = 300hp and 330 ft-lbs torque
LT5 = 375hp and 370 ft-lbs torque. imagine if LSx's engines were DOHC in other words they would make MORE POWER! then what they have.

AWWWW TUNE up's are tp expensive you can't afford 6 spark plugs because mommy and daddy dont have money to spoon feed you for your crazy RB or VG build awww :cry:

I know a few hondas N/A that will rape a boosted SR-S13

[S12 Drifter]

Thank you... can we be best friends?

@Ultimateirving: Dont get me wrong, I thinkg the RB's are great motors, but they're just to much of a headache to deal with. Like flip said parts are easier to find, I could walk into autozone and pick up a water pump, where as rb I have to order it and wait. its things like that.

I posted this in another thread, but tell me, what motor can handle 1000 hp on stock internals?

2jz :D

yea... and you will have to wait for the water pump to ship out too.. 3 days shipping depending on your location. if you blew a waterpump and you NEED to be somewhere you're going to call for a ride because a engine is only as good as the owner who maintains it. :wiggle:

[hobbs]

in the world of racing and competition there IS NO replacement for displacement + cylinder head flow. a KA24DET will easily out perform a SR. a RB20 will easily out perform a SR mod for mod.

awwww is the RB too expensive for you? put up or shut up no one gets free hand outs in the world of engines and cars in other words you have to pay to play. at this point 2 liter vs 2 liter ITS ALL ABOUT CYLINDER HEAD FLOW! thats the number 1 thing in any engine. :bash: you say LSx? their shitty engines with shit power, compare a LT1 to a LT5 both are the same engine except one is push rod and the other is dohc 4 valves per cylinder.

lt1 = 300hp and 330 ft-lbs torque
LT5 = 375hp and 370 ft-lbs torque. imagine if LSx's engines were DOHC in other words they would make MORE POWER! then what they have.

AWWWW TUNE up's are tp expensive you can't afford 6 spark plugs because mommy and daddy dont have money to spoon feed you for your crazy RB or VG build awww :cry:

I know a few hondas N/A that will rape a boosted SR-S13


Oh look, OrangeVirus is back.

[jr_ss]

in the world of racing and competition there IS NO replacement for displacement + cylinder head flow. a KA24DET will easily out perform a SR. a RB20 will easily out perform a SR mod for mod.

This isnt the world of racing, this is the world of stop and go traffic and long trips on a highway. An RB easily outperform an SR? I wouldn't say easily, but sure it could be done if your pockets are deep enough. Dollar for dollar, no it can't and wont.

awwww is the RB too expensive for you? put up or shut up no one gets free hand outs in the world of engines and cars in other words you have to pay to play. at this point 2 liter vs 2 liter ITS ALL ABOUT CYLINDER HEAD FLOW! thats the number 1 thing in any engine. :bash: you say LSx? their shitty engines with shit power, compare a LT1 to a LT5 both are the same engine except one is push rod and the other is dohc 4 valves per cylinder.

The RB too expensive? You bought the cheapest version you could get your hands on. Then defend it like that's the one you wanted, in reality it was the only one you could afford.

On to your next spout of ridiculousness. The LT5 is nothing like the LT1. That motor was designed by Lotus engineers and was detuned to be put in the Corvette. Mercury later purchased the rights to the motor because GM wanted nothing more to do with it and tuned it to a 1000hp. They evenetually used them in boat racing.

Once again, you apparently do not know what you are talking about.

I know a few hondas N/A that will rape a boosted SR-S13

Fast NA Honda's sure they are out there, but youll spend more money building the motor to last and make big power than it costs to swap an SR in and go faster with bolt ons.

[fliprayzin240sx]

OV1 Jr = S12 Drifter...spouting off nonsense-bs since 2008.

Fuck all this talk about which engine is better. Theres so much opinion on which one would be better. How about you build something that you prefer and can afford. I'd like to build a fucking 1000 hp RB26 stroker but I'd never afford it or have the money to maintain it. I could have gone LS1 swap but I prefer the boost over the torque. I had a 500hp SR but I've never had any luck with these POS so I'm now on an RB25.

[S12 Drifter]

The RB too expensive? You bought the cheapest version you could get your hands on. Then defend it like that's the one you wanted, in reality it was the only one you could afford.


NAAAAH Trying to replicate Legit 200ZR yea their cheap but price has little to do with it as parts are not so bad regardless of rb30/20/26/25

who seriously needs 600hp? it's all about APPLICATION! which not many people gauge, for MY application I dont need a engine that makes more power then a RB20.

[SidewaysGts]

NAAAAH Trying to replicate Legit 200ZR yea their cheap but price has little to do with it as parts are not so bad regardless of rb30/20/26/25

who seriously needs 600hp? it's all about APPLICATION! which not many people gauge, for MY application I dont need a engine that makes more power then a RB20.

NAAAAH. Trying to replicate (a?) Legit 200ZR. Yea they're cheap but (the) price has little to do with it as parts are not so bad regardless of rb30/20/26/25.

Who seriously needs 600hp? It's all about APPLICATION! Which not many people gauge. For MY application I don't need an engine that makes more power than a RB20.

LEARN to spell and use proper grammarAre we just throwing this out the window? This is just what I found at first glance without changing the structure too much. Just sayin'.

[feito]

damn it, so burned :rl: Buuuuuuurnnnnneeed!!!!
Admins, can u make sure ov1 is not hacking into this guy's accnt? Something's off here.

[Bmxer300zx]

This thread sucks so much its pathetic. Comparing the amount of cylinders vs displacement to type of metal it's made out of is retarded. Plenty of videos of sr's raping ka's, v8's, 1jz's and rb25's or rb25's/ka's/v8's beating all or gettting beat by even a rb20 or rb20's beating 1jz's. It's about time and money a fucking geo metro can be fast if wanted.
Saying a Lt1 is better than the ls1/x series is about the dumbest statement of all.

[Bmxer300zx]

To sideways gts
:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

[hobbs]

Found this in another thread, I guess Trust/GReddy is just some unknown company.... S12 Drifter is such a fucking joke.

I would not buy any turbo that is not holset, garrett, PTE, or borgwarner. Hks uses garrett turbos.. which over prices them to make a profit, trust I believe is some unknown company... I would nott trust a tomei turbo and its probably over priced too. Tomei cams and hg sure, turbo? No

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[fliprayzin240sx]

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