north korea bluffing or not?

[Felipe]

i think hes is... but then again hes young with lots of power, that alone will make you do stupi sh!t. :2c:

[gist864]

if they stop making threats and reporting to the media thats when i will get worried

[OrangeVirus1]

I dunno.. He just approved strikes on the US. We'll see I guess.

Maybe they just want some care packages.. free food and beer dropped from the sky.

[uaserge]

I am in the Air Force and i work on B52 Bomber. Lets just say they don't want to fuck with us. And oh yeah all that talk is most likely a bluff.

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[OrangeVirus1]

There bombs will make it half way too us .. if that before being blown out of the sky, then we will carpet bomb their ass back to the Pre-Cambrian age.. since they are currently in the stone age lol

[Felipe]

even if he does launch some thing, it Wont even make it far... im sure he knos that lol

[Nissansota240]

Doesn't look like to much to worry about.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/6108806400/h94160DEE/

Jokes aside though,

Had a co-worker suggest a question to me today. "Is it possible that something bigger then just him is behind it. Another power that could convince him that attacking the U.S. would be a good idea? Would somebody else stand to gain from it?"

Made me think a bit

[Felipe]

its like saying... "you distract them and we will get the us from behin" sooo... whos we?

[OrangeVirus1]

One Word : ChinaRussiaRestOfTheWorld

everyone has a mutual hate for the usa.


notice how nobody threatens Canada? Or Green land, France.. the list goes on..

[TougeLove]

We have the ability to shoot down 30+ missiles being shot at us.

I knew a nuke sub chief in the navy, he explained how nukes work and the power we have.......I'm not worried about N. Korea. now if russia and china were to get on their bandwagon, i might be concerned, but everyone has too much to lose from us being destroyed.

[TougeLove]

I may sound like an ass, but I wouldn't miss a second of sleep if we just bombed their entire country over and over until there was no one and nothing left.

[OrangeVirus1]

I may sound like an ass, but I wouldn't miss a second of sleep if we just bombed their entire country over and over until there was no one and nothing left.

but there is so many brainwashed innocents!! I don't think that is the way to go. What we really need to do is just drop loads of American Propaganda all over their country. get the truth too them, let them find out their glorious leader and military are liars, then let them destroy themselves.

Or wait it out until they starve to death. shouldn't be too long since China cut all aid.

[TougeLove]

either way the country's probability of dying off in the next 10 years if not 10 months is high. All it takes is that idiot to say ok send missile, and we shoot it down, while sending 5 more there.

Why havent we sent super spy guys in there to assassinate all their military?

[K_style]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/166736_4013289031058_331209648_n.jpg

[Felipe]

mickey lover? = no nukes to so.cal. lol

[Nissansota240]

mickey lover? = no nukes to so.cal. lol

Possible reference to his childish like antics lately.

[Luisnj908]

if they stop making threats and reporting to the media thats when i will get worried

lol very true, thats when shit will get real.

[lewisfk]

This shit is funny. Regardless of what the fat ass in N. Korea says, we will not strike! What we are doing is installing a missile defense system to protect or interest in the region. Once this happens all bets are off.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Hit the US? Fucker can barely make it over Japan. Shit and they got lucky doing that once. All other times, fucking missile blew up at launch or crashed in the Yellow Sea.

[Matej]

While we all know that North Korea poses no real threat to the US by itself, I would not be surprised if it turned that China is behind this, urging them to act crazy, so should a conflict ever erupt, China can suddenly stand behind North Korea on the pretense of a wrongfully attacked nation or whatever, just to have an excuse to go to war without actually throwing the first rock.

[enkei2k]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/65325_511666912228707_605674665_n.jpg

Stolen from facebook

[drift freaq]

^^^^^^^^Fucking Hilarious Enkei!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



but there is so many brainwashed innocents!! I don't think that is the way to go. What we really need to do is just drop loads of American Propaganda all over their country. get the truth too them, let them find out their glorious leader and military are liars, then let them destroy themselves.


Ya like dropping Propaganda on them is going to work. Really are you still caught up in the cold war thinking? That we can just topple a Government and the country will coming running to democracy or that it will suddenly make an unstable country stable?
First off that does not work at all as proven yet again in Iraq. Oh and actually Iraq was stable under Hussein regardless of the fact he was a despot.

We are worse off with the Iraq of today than we were with Saddam's Iraq. He actually balanced the power in the middle east. Ah but I digress in the rebuttal to your statement.

Honestly, its hard to say with this guy he is as much a nut case or more so than his father was. I mean really the guy was hanging with Dennis Rodman two weeks ago and now this. Can we say Erratic behavior? Besides what you may to fail to realize is N Korea is controlled by an extremely strong military. They have over 1 million active duty personel.

I did see a statement by some people in South Korea on T.V. the other day. They said when they see troops massing at the demilitarized zone then they will worry.

Though reality is this guy is just taking a page out of daddy's book. Bluster and threaten to get attention.

[DennisS]

Idk man just saw Olympus has fallen. Shit got me hella worried.

[ghoti]

Idk man just saw Olympus has fallen. Shit got me hella worried.

http://bbsimg.ngfiles.com/1/21840000/ngbbs4c9f9269c2bbd.jpg

[OrangeVirus1]

All I know is where I live I'm safe. Who the hell wants to attack Colorado. I'd be worried if I lived in California.. esp the Hollywood area.. since that is the Epitome of the US.

[Matej]

All I know is where I live I'm safe. Who the hell wants to attack Colorado.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-9nLXY4q0Xfs/UAxCGP2C19I/AAAAAAAAETg/e7dwR3YjBR0/s1600/red_dawn_dvd__large_1.jpg

[drift freaq]

All I know is where I live I'm safe. Who the hell wants to attack Colorado. I'd be worried if I lived in California.. esp the Hollywood area.. since that is the Epitome of the US.

Ya keep on thinking that living in the state with NORAD and Northcomm at Cheyenne Mountain. Colorado is definitely on the possible targets list.

Though like Ray said above North Korea's missiles are dismal failures in the intercontinental department. I just want to point out that if you think you are safe from Nuclear attack in Colorado you are sadly mistaken.

[OrangeVirus1]

Yes I know Red Dawn is Colorado..

and I just realized after posting that, that colorado has Norad, Cheyenne, and like 5 military bases...

I'm fucked.

EXCEPT I know one of their rockets would never make it this far inland.

[EnemyS15]

Hit the US? Fucker can barely make it over Japan. Shit and they got lucky doing that once. All other times, fucking missile blew up at launch or crashed in the Yellow Sea.


^^^^^ this x 10. I hope they attempt to launch their inbred version of a nuke and watch it either A. Fail or B. Get blown out of the sky. That boy has tough man syndrome. He wants people to fear him outside of his country, but deep down, he knows the United States has the capacity to level N. Korea into legoland.

[fliprayzin240sx]

HAHA...what makes you think we're not dropping propaganda stuff into NK? Oh wait, not US, but South Korea has been doing it since the postponement of the Korean war. South Korean sends out balloons with propaganda leaflet to the north every day, then you still got the radio stations, giant voice messages. They also put up this ginormous Christmas Tree every year that you can see from miles around on the DMZ. Hey look North Korea, we celebrate Christmas!!!

Matej: Far from it. China's the one thats actually reigning in NK. Why you ask? Do you think they really wanna go to war with the US? Considering we owe them roughly $16 TRILLION, war would let us get away with starting on a clean slate. Would they put up a decent fight? Yes, since we dont really have a strong foothold in WESPAC anymore. It wouldnt be hard for China to knock our bases out in Korea and Japan, maybe even take out the 7th Navy Carrier Fleet. They can also make it hard for the military since they'll more than likely kill our network. But in the long run, they'll get their ass whopped.

[drift freaq]

Matej: Far from it. China's the one thats actually reigning in NK. Why you ask? Do you think they really wanna go to war with the US? Considering we owe them roughly $16 TRILLION, war would let us get away with starting on a clean slate. Would they put up a decent fight? Yes, since we dont really have a strong foothold in WESPAC anymore. It wouldnt be hard for China to knock our bases out in Korea and Japan, maybe even take out the 7th Navy Carrier Fleet. They can also make it hard for the military since they'll more than likely kill our network. But in the long run, they'll get their ass whopped.


Spoken for complete truth. China is winning already on the economic side through currency manipulation. They tie there currency to the U.S. dollar and don't let it float thereby giving them an artificially low cost of manufacturing. If there currency was allowed to float they would not be at such an advantage in the cost of manufacturing.

They do not want a conflict with us though. like Ray says above in the end we would probably win but the outcome of it would be bad for all sides.

I do not fear war with major powers in the world. I fear terrorists getting there hands on low level stuff like dirty bombs and by doing so creating an international incident.

I more likely see something happening between India and Pakistan or a major conflict in the middle east between the Arabs and Israeli's who are both equally crazy in my opinion. LOL
Again this is something that would not affect our continent directly but more so indirectly as in the case of them using Nukes on each other and the fallout reaching us.

The thing is Nuclear weapons today are not your mom and dads atom bombs.
They are way more powerful and can cause widespread global environmental damage beyond the localized blast. If used multiple times.

Plus all countries and cultures I have listed above are willing to do this if push comes to shove. They have not reached the point of realization that the United States, Europe, Russia and China have.

[lewisfk]

Not so fast, we can win the sea war do to the fact we have more of everything! The land offensive is the problem, we would have to draft if it becomes a land war. As long as we control the sea China is fucked, plus you know Britain is going to jump in with U.S.


New Navy Railgun Test Fire - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiUDdAGCht0)

[OrangeVirus1]

Not so fast, we can win the sea war do to the fact we have more of everything! The land offensive is the problem, we would have to draft if it becomes a land war. As long as we control the sea China is fucked, plus you know Britain is going to jump in with U.S.


New Navy Railgun Test Fire - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiUDdAGCht0)

This would only be if we were dumb enough to fight them on their land.. oh wait.. we always do that.


Also we don't owe 16 trills to China. If you look at who we owe what, We actually owe money all over the place.
US debt tops $16 trillion: So who do we owe most of that money to? | Fox News (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/09/04/who-do-owe-most-that-16-trillion-to-hint-it-isnt-china/)

"Fully two-thirds of the national debt is owed to the U.S. government, American investors and future retirees, through the Social Security Trust Fund and pension plans for civil service workers and military personnel. China, it turns out, holds less than 8 percent of the money our government has borrowed over the years."

[lewisfk]

^^ Sorry Dude but thats not true!

You cannot quote a study from Fox because they dont care about facts. The lack of revenue is the problem, followed by medicare, and Jack asses who are allowed to hide their money in offshore accounts!

You can't rage war without hoeing yourself out! Thats been the U.S. strategy for the past 10 years.


http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/US-Economy/PublishingImages/20120229_EssentialEcon12.jpg




http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/US-Economy/PublishingImages/20120229_EssentialEcon11.jpg

[drift freaq]

^^ Sorry Dude but thats not true!

You cannot quote a study from Fox because they dont care about facts. The lack of revenue is the problem, followed by medicare, and Jack asses who are allowed to hide their money in offshore accounts!

You can't rage war without hoeing yourself out! Thats been the U.S. strategy for the past 10 years.


http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/US-Economy/PublishingImages/20120229_EssentialEcon12.jpg




http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/US-Economy/PublishingImages/20120229_EssentialEcon11.jpg


In sense this statement is rather true. WWII was what pulled this country out of the depression and it did because we built arms i.e. planes, ships,tanks, guns etc... like they were going out of style and sold them to all our allies.

The country that won the hoeing out game though was the Swiss in WWII who remained neutral but sold arms to both sides.

Though like I said earlier a direct physical war with China? Not gonna happen. A conflict with someone they support? That could happen again and remember China backed North Korea in the Korean war against us and the South. The difference today is China has so much at stake financially with us trade wise they are less likely to let it happen.

[BossHogg]

I have to say I agree with drift freaq. I fear no major power. Once a foreign power makes it to our shore then I would get a little "alarmed". BUT I believe the American citizen will unleash a force greater than the opposing force would ever expect. We are armed to the teeth. While we may have our own problems within our country, we will be damned if another fucking country is going to come take our shit. We will band together, eliminate the problem, then probably go right back to our stubborn ass ways.

I would fear our own self destruction, before another country. We may take a few hits of mass destruction but that's just the nature of the beast.

[AFSil80]

^^^ Agreed.

For those of you foolish enough to think that dropping leaflets is our most effective form of propaganda...

http://www.tonyrogers.com/images/weapons/ec130_commando_solo.jpg

Get with the times.

[TougeLove]

lets blow them all up. i dont care if everyone dies over there. spoils of war.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Not so fast, we can win the sea war do to the fact we have more of everything! The land offensive is the problem, we would have to draft if it becomes a land war. As long as we control the sea China is fucked, plus you know Britain is going to jump in with U.S.


New Navy Railgun Test Fire - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiUDdAGCht0)
Well, ground war will probably not happen. Why would be do something so stupid as give them the fucking advantage. Almost 3M standing army, another 800k in the reserves, then dont forget the roughly 10M civilians that can easily be drafted into the army if needed. No technological advantage will over come those numbers, unless we just bomb the living crap out of them back to the stone age. But then, there's still millions of them who will throw rocks at us.

In sense this statement is rather true. WWII was what pulled this country out of the depression and it did because we built arms i.e. planes, ships,tanks, guns etc... like they were going out of style and sold them to all our allies.

The country that won the hoeing out game though was the Swiss in WWII who remained neutral but sold arms to both sides.

Though like I said earlier a direct physical war with China? Not gonna happen. A conflict with someone they support? That could happen again and remember China backed North Korea in the Korean war against us and the South. The difference today is China has so much at stake financially with us trade wise they are less likely to it happen.

The irony of it is WWII got us out of depression, now GWOT is what got us into the doo-doo.

[BoostSlideWayz]

Personally even though most of the times they have either failed or bluffed an attack.. No matter what im going to take it seriously, any time we are threatened in the way they do to us its not something to just dust off like its nothing ...

And plus after seeing that movie red dawn i think its a possibility.. i do believe that if anything does happen we will fuck em up to protect the country. I still also think having some sort of weapon and ammunition is piece of mind in a sense that if anything were to happen on our soil youll atleast go out fighting.

[SLiDe_WaYz]

Personally even though most of the times they have either failed or bluffed an attack.. No matter what im going to take it seriously, any time we are threatened in the way they do to us its not something to just dust off like its nothing ...

And plus after seeing that movie red dawn i think its a possibility.. i do believe that if anything does happen we will fuck em up to protect the country. I still also think having some sort of weapon and ammunition is piece of mind in a sense that if anything were to happen on our soil youll atleast go out fighting.

Red Dawn... Olympus has Fallen. Both if you honestly think about it can happen. Might be just a movie for entertainment purposes but I honestly believe that it could happen, possibly in the near future. What is the US going to do if China and Russia side with N. Korea?

We might as well start looking at building bio domes on the moon because earth will be a wasteland.

[dudermagee]

Not so fast, we can win the sea war do to the fact we have more of everything! The land offensive is the problem, we would have to draft if it becomes a land war. As long as we control the sea China is fucked, plus you know Britain is going to jump in with U.S.


New Navy Railgun Test Fire - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiUDdAGCht0)

But what if China developed a weapon specifically to take out our sea going vessels....

China has carrier-killer missile, U.S. admiral says - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/27/china-deploying-carrier-sinking-ballistic-missile/)

China’s “Carrier Killer”: The DF-21D | James Holmes – The Naval Diplomat (http://thediplomat.com/the-naval-diplomat/2012/11/06/chinas-carrier-killer-the-df-21d/)

^^ Sorry Dude but thats not true!

You cannot quote a study from Fox because they dont care about facts. The lack of revenue is the problem, followed by medicare, and Jack asses who are allowed to hide their money in offshore accounts!

You can't rage war without hoeing yourself out! Thats been the U.S. strategy for the past 10 years.


http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/US-Economy/PublishingImages/20120229_EssentialEcon12.jpg




http://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/data-chart-center/US-Economy/PublishingImages/20120229_EssentialEcon11.jpg


You are heavily misinformed.
HowStuffWorks "Top 10 Countries the U.S. Owes Money To" (http://www.howstuffworks.com/5-united-states-debt-holders.htm#page=10)

[dudermagee]

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn1/64181_568257849871546_351685196_n.jpg

[lewisfk]

^^duder, the links I posted were straight from the U.S. treasury! It highlights the amount we spent in 2010 and what we spent 33 years prior. It brakes down the GDP. Please take a look at the INTAKE VS SPENDING.

Top 10 Countries the U.S. Owes Money To. Cool info but I was commenting about who we owe money to but how the counties money is spent. Many people blame social security for our debt and its not true. Medicare on the other hand is out of control. That's why the President offered a budget to reform medicare and social security.

[dudermagee]

^^duder, the links I posted were straight from the U.S. treasury! It highlights the amount we spent in 2010 and what we spent 33 years prior. It brakes down the GDP. Please take a look at the INTAKE VS SPENDING.

Top 10 Countries the U.S. Owes Money To. Cool info but I was commenting about who we owe money to but how the counties money is spent. Many people blame social security for our debt and its not true. Medicare on the other hand is out of control. That's why the President offered a budget to reform medicare and social security.

Ah my bad, for some reason I thought you said that China had most of our debt. Because thats what the other guy was talking about.

[Felipe]

But what if China developed a weapon specifically to take out our sea going vessels....

China has carrier-killer missile, U.S. admiral says - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/27/china-deploying-carrier-sinking-ballistic-missile/)




"The new weapon, the “D” version of China (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/china/)’s DF-21 medium-range missile, involves firing the mobile missile into space, returning it into the atmosphere and then maneuvering it to its target"

isnt that what N.K. just did... sending a "test rocket" into space?

[drift freaq]

Ah my bad, for some reason I thought you said that China had most of our debt. Because thats what the other guy was talking about.
I was the other guy who mentioned China and I never said China held most of our debt. Don't put words in my mouth man. I did say China holds a decent portion of debt with us. But its not only that its the fact that they do a shit ton of manufacturing for us. To suddenly take that away would hurt them in the short term.
Seriously you guys talking about China and or Russia getting together really need to study up on Russian and Chinese relationships as well. LOL They do not like each other at all.
As far as you guys talking about us getting into some kind of Nuclear conflict. Well then you need to live each day like its going to be your last. Oh and go on being paranoid because guess what? You can't do much about it so worrying about it is not going to do you much good.

[Juantwo3]

"The new weapon, the “D” version of China (http://www.washingtontimes.com/topics/china/)’s DF-21 medium-range missile, involves firing the mobile missile into space, returning it into the atmosphere and then maneuvering it to its target"
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isnt that what N.K. just did... sending a "test rocket" into space?

if space shuttles have a hard time to enter the atmosphere without catching on fire and exploding i can only imagine how a rocket packed with explosives or other heat sensitive matter will hold up.:rl:

[Dalton]

The Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI) was proposed by U.S. President Ronald Reagan on March 23, 1983,[1] to use ground-based and space-based systems to protect the United States from attack by strategic nuclear ballistic missiles. The initiative focused on strategic defense rather than the prior strategic offense doctrine of Mutual Assured Destruction (MAD). The Strategic Defense Initiative Organization (SDIO) was set up in 1984 within the United States Department of Defense to oversee the Strategic Defense Initiative.

Also known as the Star Wars program. Look it up. This program is suppose to take down thousands of nuclear missile using x-ray technology. I am not that concerned with the bombs getting in the U.S. if this program is real.

[dudermagee]

I was the other guy who mentioned China and I never said China held most of our debt. Don't put words in my mouth man. I did say China holds a decent portion of debt with us. But its not only that its the fact that they do a shit ton of manufacturing for us. To suddenly take that away would hurt them in the short term.
Seriously you guys talking about China and or Russia getting together really need to study up on Russian and Chinese relationships as well. LOL They do not like each other at all.
As far as you guys talking about us getting into some kind of Nuclear conflict. Well then you need to live each day like its going to be your last. Oh and go on being paranoid because guess what? You can't do much about it so worrying about it is not going to do you much good.

I was talking about this guy:



Also we don't owe 16 trills to China. If you look at who we owe what, We actually owe money all over the place.



I think it'd be more likely that Iran would join in a war effort to clear us out of the middle east while we are focusing on N Korea.
China and Russia would be more like silent partners than actively engaging us.
They would only become actively involved if they thought they could take us out with little to no effort. They would provide "secret" aid to N Korea to prolong the war and weaken us further.

[Agamemnon]

Far from it. China's the one thats actually reigning in NK. Why you ask? Do you think they really wanna go to war with the US? Considering we owe them roughly $16 TRILLION,.....

I believe this is what is causing the confusion.

[K_style]

I read Korean domestic news everyday.

It seems like, it may have started from bluffing but that fat ass seems to enjoy the tension and attention from everyone else.

N. Korea announced they will fire the missile on 10th local time.

[OrangeVirus1]

North Korea to 'launch missile TOMORROW' after warning foreigners to evacuate South | World | News | Daily Express (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/390452/North-Korea-to-launch-missile-TOMORROW-after-warning-foreigners-to-evacuate-South??)

[drift freaq]

I was talking about this guy:



I think it'd be more likely that Iran would join in a war effort to clear us out of the middle east while we are focusing on N Korea.
China and Russia would be more like silent partners than actively engaging us.
They would only become actively involved if they thought they could take us out with little to no effort. They would provide "secret" aid to N Korea to prolong the war and weaken us further.

got it but I have to say I don't think Russia is going to side with China when it comes to N Korea. They would support Iran, Though Iran does not even have the weapon N Korea has a weapon but has a dismal delivery system.
Iran is on the doorstep of the weapon and only has has short range delivery ability. Plus Iran has a Nuclear neighbor in Israel that would not hesitate to Nuke them out of existence if push came to shove.

So I would not be worrying about Iran beyond the fact that the middle east will take itself out much like Pakistan and India.
Its N korea that is like the lone wolf here. Hence why they posture so much.

Iran wants a weapon because Israel has one. Just like India and Pakistan.

N. Korea is technically an insignificant player in global politics and status in comparison. They have a severe inferiority complex and need to make the world pay attention to them. This is how they do it. The question is does this kid have the grasp on this concept that his father did who knew how to play this Violin. Or his he stupid enough to not know when to stop playing it and go to far.

[redline racer510]

I don't think they are after attention. They have seen what happens to countries without the bomb (Libya,Iraq, Afghanistan etc.) and seek to produce one as a deterrent for war with South Korea and the US. Remember, we placed sanctions that only starve the poor on North Korea and we are currently performing military exercises with large numbers of troops and flying bombers dropping dummy bombs right over the DMZ from North Korea. Remember the cold war when Russia gave Cuba the bomb, did we just sit there and do nothing or was our military on full alert? Seems like a rational response to me. Best thing we can do to deescalate things is through lifting sanctions(because sanctions are an act of war) and diplomacy. Last time I checked we are a democratic country so why haven't we practiced diplomacy?

[fliprayzin240sx]

The thing is, if North Korea chill the fuck out and demilitarize themselves, you'd be surprised how fast South Korea is willing to help them out and get them caught up to the rest of the world. South Koreans don't hate North Koreans (most still has families in North Korea, lots of families got seperated during the war), they hate the ruling family since they're a bunch of fucktards.

[drift freaq]

I don't think they are after attention. They have seen what happens to countries without the bomb (Libya,Iraq, Afghanistan etc.) and seek to produce one as a deterrent for war with South Korea and the US. Remember, we placed sanctions that only starve the poor on North Korea and we are currently performing military exercises with large numbers of troops and flying bombers dropping dummy bombs right over the DMZ from North Korea. Remember the cold war when Russia gave Cuba the bomb, did we just sit there and do nothing or was our military on full alert? Seems like a rational response to me. Best thing we can do to deescalate things is through lifting sanctions(because sanctions are an act of war) and diplomacy. Last time I checked we are a democratic country so why haven't we practiced diplomacy?


First off Russia did not give Cuba the bomb. LOL You really prove you were sleeping during Contemporary American History. Russia placed moveable missile batteries in Cuba controlled by Russians. Cuba did not have control of them. We also did much the same we are doing today with N Korea. Not standing down. Russia removed the missiles with the agreement we would not invade Cuba. The joke is we never actually intended to invade Cuba unless Russia left the missiles there which was an open threat to us.

You talk about drawing down sanctions on N Korea but they have done nothing to warrant drawing those sanctions down. Instead they keep on doing the opposite. Are we supposed to sit there and let them threaten Japan? Who we have a treaty with to protect them if need be? Are we supposed to just disregard that?

Sanctions are not really considered an act of war and if you think they are you need to learn more about acts of war. Oh and please stop mixing up democracy and diplomacy because they are two separate constructs.

Diplomacy is the act of knowing how to talk with other heads of nations and iron out problems it is not tied to Democracy. Non Democratic countries have Diplomats and practice Diplomacy. Fact is Kin Jung Un does not seem to want to listen to Diplomacy.

Of course China just told them to back the fuck down.

I should also add that Diplomacy does not always work and your suggestion of appeasement is the kind of talk that Neville Chamberlein spouted and even tried to do with Hitler. It is what allowed WWII to happen. While they thought he had appeased Hitler by giving him concessions it turned out he just went out and overran Europe and attacked Britain anyways. LOL

Kim Jung Un is a nut case. I do not think he would ever be trustworthy. Again this has nothing to do with us being a democracy. It has to do with dealing with a crazy dictator.

[OrangeVirus1]

Lets all just be honest here, We should just shut up and let North Korea do what they want. They aren't stupid enough to actually Blow anyone up, because I'm sure they don't want to die.

And Also, North Korea has been doing this for years, I still consider that North Korea should be allowed to do anything we Americans do. Bomb tests, Military tests, Nuclear tests.

I mean FFS we Want to control the whole damn world but it just isn't going to happen.
Leave North Korea alone, DON'T buy into all the BS they talk, and completely ignore them...

They remind me of the Westboro Baptist church, the ONLY reason that church still exists is because people get offended, start crap, and acknowledge their existence.

[redline racer510]

Yea… and then China takes exception to it since NK is it’s buffer zone and it leaves the US free to establish permanent bases on China’s border fully encircling them.

What people like you seem to forget, is that NK does not exist in a vacuum. China is one of their allies, and Russia is China’s ally. Then Iran is Russia’s ally and Russia relies on Syria for access to the open ocean for their marine fleets.

Syria and Iran are allies and then you have Pakistan, a nuclear power itself who is an ally of China.

If the US were to strike NK, then China would respond in kind, Russia would come to China’s aid and possibly strike out against all US allies in the region which would include Japan, South Korea, and India, whom the Pakistani’s have hated for centuries.

Then after the conflict got good and warmed up, Russia would throw in it’s chips on China’s side along with Pakistan, Iran, Syria and Australia. Yes, Australia. They are trading partners with China now.

What you would end up with is a regional conflict quickly escalating into WW3 in the space of a few days. China and Russia have been chewing at the bit to get a war started since it gives their populations something else to bitch about instead of focusing inward.

And let’s not forget China’s other partners in Latin America. The list of countries the US can call ally is growing thin. How long do you think it would take for all those nuclear capable powers to bring a country that has borrowed more money than has ever existed, spread itself thinner than ancient Rome and spent itself into a hole so deep, daylight is a legend spoken about over campfires?


The US would be crippled from the economic consequences alone not to mention the fact that we don’t have the manpower to fight wars against more than two billion people. They would nuke us until everything from the Great Lakes to the Gulf is glass.

Get a clue. War, especially in this day and age is nothing to cheer for. Let’s see how well you keep that bravado up when they draft your ass to go fight an asymmetric war with a military who doesn’t understand the concept well enough to not get mired in Afghanistan the same way Alexander the Great, Napoleon and the former USSR did.

[OrangeVirus1]

Yea… and then China takes exception to it since NK is it’s buffer zone and it leaves the US free to establish permanent bases on China’s border fully encircling them.

What people like you seem to forget, is that NK does not exist in a vacuum. China is one of their allies, and Russia is China’s ally. Then Iran is Russia’s ally and Russia relies on Syria for access to the open ocean for their marine fleets.

Syria and Iran are allies and then you have Pakistan, a nuclear power itself who is an ally of China.

If the US were to strike NK, then China would respond in kind, Russia would come to China’s aid and possibly strike out against all US allies in the region which would include Japan, South Korea, and India, whom the Pakistani’s have hated for centuries.

Then after the conflict got good and warmed up, Russia would throw in it’s chips on China’s side along with Pakistan, Iran, Syria and Australia. Yes, Australia. They are trading partners with China now.

What you would end up with is a regional conflict quickly escalating into WW3 in the space of a few days. China and Russia have been chewing at the bit to get a war started since it gives their populations something else to bitch about instead of focusing inward.

And let’s not forget China’s other partners in Latin America. The list of countries the US can call ally is growing thin. How long do you think it would take for all those nuclear capable powers to bring a country that has borrowed more money than has ever existed, spread itself thinner than ancient Rome and spent itself into a hole so deep, daylight is a legend spoken about over campfires?


The US would be crippled from the economic consequences alone not to mention the fact that we don’t have the manpower to fight wars against more than two billion people. They would nuke us until everything from the Great Lakes to the Gulf is glass.

Get a clue. War, especially in this day and age is nothing to cheer for. Let’s see how well you keep that bravado up when they draft your ass to go fight an asymmetric war with a military who doesn’t understand the concept well enough to not get mired in Afghanistan the same way Alexander the Great, Napoleon and the former USSR did.


When they draft my ass haha I just got out of the army, no big deal.

[redline racer510]

When they draft my ass haha I just got out of the army, no big deal.
doesnt apply to you for obvious reasons,lol

[fliprayzin240sx]

Lets all just be honest here, We should just shut up and let North Korea do what they want. They aren't stupid enough to actually Blow anyone up, because I'm sure they don't want to die.

And Also, North Korea has been doing this for years, I still consider that North Korea should be allowed to do anything we Americans do. Bomb tests, Military tests, Nuclear tests.

I mean FFS we Want to control the whole damn world but it just isn't going to happen.
Leave North Korea alone, DON'T buy into all the BS they talk, and completely ignore them...

They remind me of the Westboro Baptist church, the ONLY reason that church still exists is because people get offended, start crap, and acknowledge their existence.

Do you not understand why we dont want them to build nukes? Its not North Korea we're worried about, its WHO they could potentially sell it to. Sell it to a terrorist organization, those fucktards sneak it into US soil and detonate it. Also, the potential proliferation of nukes to other countries who are not responsible enough to have nukes. Do we want the whole middle east to have nukes? The whole middle east will turn into a glass bowl.

Iran cant have nukes due to their hostility towards Israel and aggressive stance with most GCC countries.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Lets all just be honest here, We should just shut up and let North Korea do what they want. They aren't stupid enough to actually Blow anyone up, because I'm sure they don't want to die.

And Also, North Korea has been doing this for years, I still consider that North Korea should be allowed to do anything we Americans do. Bomb tests, Military tests, Nuclear tests.

I mean FFS we Want to control the whole damn world but it just isn't going to happen.
Leave North Korea alone, DON'T buy into all the BS they talk, and completely ignore them...

They remind me of the Westboro Baptist church, the ONLY reason that church still exists is because people get offended, start crap, and acknowledge their existence.

Do you not understand why we dont want them to build nukes? Its not North Korea we're worried about, its WHO they could potentially sell it to. Sell it to a terrorist organization, those fucktards sneak it into US soil and detonate it. Also, the potential proliferation of nukes to other countries who are not responsible enough to have nukes. Do we want the whole middle east to have nukes? The whole middle east will turn into a glass bowl.

Iran cant have nukes due to their hostility towards Israel and aggressive stance with most GCC countries. Am I worried about Iran? Fuck no, they can't even paint their subs the right color...
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/11/29/article-0-1641ED6B000005DC-458_634x371.jpg

[redline racer510]

You make a good point flip. So what do we do now?

[Felipe]

Do you not understand why we dont want them to build nukes? Its not North Korea we're worried about, its WHO they could potentially sell it to. Sell it to a terrorist organization, those fucktards sneak it into US soil and detonate it. Also, the potential proliferation of nukes to other countries who are not responsible enough to have nukes. Do we want the whole middle east to have nukes? The whole middle east will turn into a glass bowl.

Iran cant have nukes due to their hostility towards Israel and aggressive stance with most GCC countries.

http://british-neolibertarian.blogspot.com/2011/06/nuclear-iran-north-korea-and-china.html ://

[SimpleS14]

You make a good point flip. So what do we do now?


Give Kim a Snickers

http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2c/8e/d5/2c8ed587b5afc4e466691e9293addc47.jpg

[gist864]

^^^^ hahahah

[LB 180SX]

i agree with people stating that seems like there's something bigger behind this.. no country is stupid, and everyone has strategies. the US does it all the time.. i wouldn't worry to much. the media states what they want and everyone swears by it and argues the bs they feed the viewers. it be stupid for china to go to war with the US. we make their economy. everyone can only speculate and watch tv. but no one will ever know the full truth. the US is pretty good at keeping a lot of things from the citizens... military people (or prior, like myself) know this very well.

[EsChassisLove]

But what if China developed a weapon specifically to take out our sea going vessels....

China has carrier-killer missile, U.S. admiral says - Washington Times (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/27/china-deploying-carrier-sinking-ballistic-missile/)

China’s “Carrier Killer”: The DF-21D | James Holmes – The Naval Diplomat (http://thediplomat.com/the-naval-diplomat/2012/11/06/chinas-carrier-killer-the-df-21d/)




You are heavily misinformed.
HowStuffWorks "Top 10 Countries the U.S. Owes Money To" (http://www.howstuffworks.com/5-united-states-debt-holders.htm#page=10)


Haven't heard of the Navy's new Laser weapon have you?

Yes it's a legit laser beam. Yes it's already successfully shot down planes, drones etc.

Come at us, China, NorKo, Russia.

We're here.

We're waiting.

[dudermagee]

Haven't heard of the Navy's new Laser weapon have you?

Yes it's a legit laser beam. Yes it's already successfully shot down planes, drones etc.

Come at us, China, NorKo, Russia.

We're here.

We're waiting.

Yeah I heard about it a few days ago when it was all over the news.

[fliprayzin240sx]

You make a good point flip. So what do we do now?

Nothing, hold our breath that NK will get sick and tired of all the fucking restriction, maybe soften their stance on being the world prick.

Haven't heard of the Navy's new Laser weapon have you?

Yes it's a legit laser beam. Yes it's already successfully shot down planes, drones etc.

Come at us, China, NorKo, Russia.

We're here.

We're waiting.

So what? Is it deployable? How fast can we mount it on a ship? Would it be practical enough and be able to shoot multiple medium range ICBMs while its on a ship thats moving in a zig-zag pattern and doing atleast 30 knots?

The smallest operational laser we have could barely fit in a fucking 747 and that fucker can only shoot one beam. It also had to recharge a few minutes per shot.

Again, we'd be dead in the water when they kill all our comm...we'd have to restart everything from scratch if China wants to kill our network with a virus.

[EvilRB]

North Korea's Kim Jong-un Missing in Public for Two Weeks

North Korea's Kim Jong-un Missing in Public for Two Weeks - IBTimes UK (http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/456840/20130414/north-korea-threat-missile-launch-birthday-kim.htm)

Just something else to think about...

Is it me but with am I the only one that feels like if we do anything to North Korea it would be like beating up a retarded child?

[OrangeVirus1]

Do you not understand why we dont want them to build nukes? Its not North Korea we're worried about, its WHO they could potentially sell it to. Sell it to a terrorist organization, those fucktards sneak it into US soil and detonate it. Also, the potential proliferation of nukes to other countries who are not responsible enough to have nukes. Do we want the whole middle east to have nukes? The whole middle east will turn into a glass bowl.

Iran cant have nukes due to their hostility towards Israel and aggressive stance with most GCC countries.

who says these countries can't have nukes?

Any country dumb enough to use nukes is going to get blown off the face of the earth. just that simple.

What if Iran told US we can't have nukes? what if North Korea told us we can't have nukes? are we going to listen to them? what the F makes you think they will listen to us.

America needs to quit with all the outside problems and start fixing itself from the inside. we need just a big defensive stance.

[trxrx7]

i know im gonna get flamed and everyone is gonna hate on me and im not believing this myself, but i just want to throw a question out there no disrespect! someone said that Kim is brainwashing all the people in north Korea with all the videos, but what if the us is brainwashing all the Americans with making these videos and saying that korea is publishing them so they can start a war, NOT saying it is true but who can we trust?

[OrangeVirus1]

i know im gonna get flamed and everyone is gonna hate on me and im not believing this myself, but i just want to throw a question out there no disrespect! someone said that Kim is brainwashing all the people in north Korea with all the videos, but what if the us is brainwashing all the Americans with making these videos and saying that korea is publishing them so they can start a war, NOT saying it is true but who can we trust?

that would make sense.. if north korea wasn't deploying rockets and other military warfare.

[Homeboyx]

NorKo isn't going to do shit. They've been sending threats since the beginning of time (exaggerating obviously), I'm more worried about a nuke going off in the sky above us personally.. that would possibly be as much of a disaster.

[LB 180SX]

i know im gonna get flamed and everyone is gonna hate on me and im not believing this myself, but i just want to throw a question out there no disrespect! someone said that Kim is brainwashing all the people in north Korea with all the videos, but what if the us is brainwashing all the Americans with making these videos and saying that korea is publishing them so they can start a war, NOT saying it is true but who can we trust?

that could be.. of course as american people we tend to belive we're always right, and argue what the media states..the US government has done it before (with iraq) and we all fell for it and had us questioning 1 or 2 years what we were doing there.. this is a reason why so many countries hate the US. i've been to several countries (military) and spoke to so many people and wondered why that is. there answer usually consists of "because they are so greedy and want all the power, they dont want anyone else to be bette, they want to take over the world when there is no world leader!" .. we've been spoiled with the fact that we have such a great military thats capable of anything that we 'think' were untouchable. that may be very well the case now but you better believe theres countries out there trying to destroy the US. again we can speculate all kinds of possibilities but someday someone out there will blow the whistle and spill the truth.. as of now we just sit back and see what happens, unless you work for the government we really have no say what steps to take

[ONYX S-13]

we'd have to restart everything from scratch if China wants to kill our network with a virus.

US SHOULD HAVE LINUX BASED COMMUNICATION NETWORKS :wiggle:

[Mikey213]

I don't know if any of you know this but Japan plays a big role in the North Korea situation. Hell the Jr. Is half Japanese.

[Felipe]

I just saw G.I. Joe retaliation and LMAO @ Zartan coments at North Korea

[AFSil80]

Well, looks like the Norks aren't exactly skilled in clandestine importing either...

North Korea, Cuba linked to weapons found on ship - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2013/07/16/world/panama-north-korean-ship)

(CNN) -- A mystery with potential international ramifications is unfolding in Panama, where authorities discovered military equipment hidden inside a North Korean-flagged ship that originated in Cuba.

Cuba has long been at odds with the United States, and North Korea is banned by the United Nations from importing and exporting most weapons because of its nuclear ambitions. Suspicions were further raised when the ship's captain suffered an apparent heart attack, and then tried to commit suicide, Panama's president said.

These facts were sufficiently intriguing for President Ricardo Martinelli to travel to the port and examine the ship himself.

The president tweeted a photo of what he saw -- a green octagon-shaped tube with a cone at its end and another similar-looking piece of equipment behind it.

Is it a missile, a reported asked?

"Maybe," Martinelli said. "I am not familiar with that, but it would be good if such things didn't pass through Panama, which is a country that loves peace and not war."

The president said he did not examine all of the containers, but assumes that there are similar weapons in the others, hidden under a cargo of brown sugar.

Authorities seized the vessel and the undeclared haul of weaponry in the Panamanian port of Manzanillo on Monday night.

Panama's security minister, Jose Raul Mulino, told CNN the ship had arrived from Cuba.

Panamanian authorities received intelligence the ship was carrying drugs, but the search turned up the military equipment instead.

Mulino added that the North Korean crew of 35 resisted arrest, and during the struggle with Panamanian authorities, the ship's captain attempted to commit suicide.

Panama will ask a United Nations technical support team to inspect the cargo to determine what type of weaponry it is.

"Honestly, this kind of military equipment can't go through the country while declaring that it is something else, especially hiding it as you can see here," Martinelli said. "We will continue to empty the entire ship to see what's in it and the relevant authorities will determine what exactly is on this ship."

The crew resisting arrest, and the skipper tries to commit suicide...probably because he either thinks that he's gonna be tortured for info by the US, or because he'll get killed by the Norks when he gets home. Whatever, I'm glad that Panama found this.

[Felipe]

"We will continue to empty the entire ship to see what's in it and the relevant authorities will determine what exactly is on this ship."

Makes me wonder..

[Felipe]

And i have yet to see any of this in the tv media...

[adams 02rs]

I may sound like an ass, but I wouldn't miss a second of sleep if we just bombed their entire country over and over until there was no one and nothing left:wackit:.

and im sure they are thinkin the same exact thing!

[Jesus_lopez405]

Yea… and then China takes exception to it since NK is it’s buffer zone and it leaves the US free to establish permanent bases on China’s border fully encircling them.

What people like you seem to forget, is that NK does not exist in a vacuum. China is one of their allies, and Russia is China’s ally. Then Iran is Russia’s ally and Russia relies on Syria for access to the open ocean for their marine fleets.

Syria and Iran are allies and then you have Pakistan, a nuclear power itself who is an ally of China.

If the US were to strike NK, then China would respond in kind, Russia would come to China’s aid and possibly strike out against all US allies in the region which would include Japan, South Korea, and India, whom the Pakistani’s have hated for centuries.

Then after the conflict got good and warmed up, Russia would throw in it’s chips on China’s side along with Pakistan, Iran, Syria and Australia. Yes, Australia. They are trading partners with China now.

What you would end up with is a regional conflict quickly escalating into WW3 in the space of a few days. China and Russia have been chewing at the bit to get a war started since it gives their populations something else to bitch about instead of focusing inward.

And let’s not forget China’s other partners in Latin America. The list of countries the US can call ally is growing thin. How long do you think it would take for all those nuclear capable powers to bring a country that has borrowed more money than has ever existed, spread itself thinner than ancient Rome and spent itself into a hole so deep, daylight is a legend spoken about over campfires?


The US would be crippled from the economic consequences alone not to mention the fact that we don’t have the manpower to fight wars against more than two billion people. They would nuke us until everything from the Great Lakes to the Gulf is glass.

Get a clue. War, especially in this day and age is nothing to cheer for. Let’s see how well you keep that bravado up when they draft your ass to go fight an asymmetric war with a military who doesn’t understand the concept well enough to not get mired in Afghanistan the same way Alexander the Great, Napoleon and the former USSR did.

YESSSS!!

Another poing with the dollar being REALLY weak and if Asian countries start trading in their own currency or yen we would be in a depression before we could even shoot a AK.

[240o'clock]

HAARP





Thats all I've got to say.

[Felipe]

http://www.csicop.org/uploads/images/si/hill-apocalypse-Haarp.jpg

[MikeisNissan]

North Korea's Kim Jong Un praises country's new smartphone - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/13/world/asia/north-korea-smartphone/index.html) lol

[Felipe]

lol @ they dont even make it... Just inspect it "a.k.a." limiting the phone and adding spyware.

[Felipe]

Satellite images suggest North Korea restarted small nuclear reactor, U.S. institute says - Washington Post (http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2013-09-11/world/41972744_1_reactor-north-korea-s-yongbyon)

[lflkajfj12123]

wait but why: 20 Things I Learned While I Was in North Korea (http://www.waitbutwhy.com/2013/09/20-things-i-learned-while-i-was-in.html)

[Felipe]

lol @ #7....

[EsChassisLove]

Why on Gods green Earth is this thread still going?

I think the question has been answered.

[Felipe]

Why on Gods green Earth is this thread still going?

I think the question has been answered.

Becausenorthkorea

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/2553318400/h1FA0030E/