harness safety

[smellslikecurry]

hey, i have a 4pt harness thats mounted onto the rear seatbelt, i was wondering where you guys mount yours, i have an s14 with recaro srds.

my second question is that ive heard a lot of rumors that harnesses can actually be more dangerous than safe..is this true??

sorry about the :newbie: question! thanks guys

[Heartwork]

dangerous in cars without roll bars in case of a rollover accident because you would have the hardest time unbuckling your harness, basically trapped

[Flybert]

Harnesses can be dangerous if you don't have a rollbar. If your car flips over, you are stuck sitting up right and your neck is going to snap under the weight of the caving roof. If you have a roll bar, you can remain sitting upright in a rollover due to the fact that roof isn't going to cave in on your head.

[WilloW]

Here you go, don't mind the Honda forum

-harness (http://honda.hybrids.jp/forum/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=alley&Number=129779&Search=true&Forum=All_Forums&Words=harness&Match=Entire%20Phrase&Searchpage=0&Limit=25&Old=3months&Main=129678)

-Harness 2 (http://honda.hybrids.jp/forum/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=Tech&Number=127162&page=&view=&sb=&o=). Try and read the whole post, it should give you a pretty good idea of what to do.

[smellslikecurry]

thanks guys, time to save up for a roll bar

[TRUENOCOUPE]

DO NOT I SAY DO NOT BUY A 4 POINT. Waste of money. Get a 5 Point if you really are about safety. 4 Point don't do the justice.

[old_s13]

DO NOT I SAY DO NOT BUY A 4 POINT. Waste of money. Get a 5 Point if you really are about safety. 4 Point don't do the justice.

BS.. if you are building a full-out race car, go 5-point.

if you have a street car and dont want a fucking strap over your crotch, get 4-point.

seriously, running harnesses on the street is already excessive.. but 5 point at that? come on now.

[mav1178]

DO NOT I SAY DO NOT BUY A 4 POINT. Waste of money. Get a 5 Point if you really are about safety. 4 Point don't do the justice.


Actually, one should 1) buy a 4 point harness like Takata that has provisions on the buckle for a 5/6 point crouch belt, and 2) get the 5th point later, if needed. For like, $50.

-alex

[smellslikecurry]

5 pt does seem a little too much

[pruto]

sorry, i don't like the idea of a crotch belt... i'm going to get a 5 point, but no way in hell am i going to use that 5th belt unless i have to

[taks]

Minimum 5 pt is a must.
In an accident, the "anti-submarine belt"(5th pt) would prevent you from sliding underneath the lap belt or most importantly prevent any other injuries that could be caused from the upward stretching of the harness.
A 6th pt with D-ring crotch straps would be optimal, think of an evenly spaced parachute harness.

[old_s13]

When thinking of stuff like safety.. first think about things like:

a) What kind of seats am I strapping myself into? Are they good quality or is there worn foam and metal in my crappy stock S13 seats that will cause INJURY to me in an accident?

b) Do I have a roll cage? Good idea! Not safe to flip a car and be strapped down without overhead protection.

c) What is the stock seatbelt setup? 3 point, YAY! Lets not bother talking about how most S13 owners I know have broken auto seatbelts or are too lazy to strap the lower portion of the seatbelt on. Put that all aside, 3 point is "good enough" for street because its a balance of safety and convenience. This is why it exists.

d) Assuming you have a roll cage and you have a 4-point harness, just get a good quality one like Schroth. Anti submarining design assists in safety. Of course, sitting straight ALSO helps.. hence the reason they write "dont lay back and cruise" with the harnesses on, because looking COOL doesnt = safety.

Yeah.. certain things like that will help you in not fucking yourself up. So 4 point is fine (and excessive for street).. and 5 point is great if you're a race car driver or plan on doing stunts for the next A-Team series (dukes of hazard too).

Alex's suggestion isnt a bad one either (just a bit pricey I'm sure).

- Mike

[phrozen]

lol 5 point.. u guys are crazy, that shit would hurt soo bad...

[xkimcheekidx]

while everyones on the topic of a roll cage whats the best one to get in a s14. thanks in addvance for any help

and 5 point is so uncomfortable under hard braking it hurts ur buddys

[NervGS]

http://www.evolutionautosports.com/images/media/ssaug03pg2.JPG

Convertible + Harness - Rollbar or any kind of stable overhead protection = asking for trouble.

-glenn

[xkimcheekidx]

i found a HKS Kansai Refresh Bar thing is that any good

[ICKY]

It looks like a nice spot, but then again, Pic is too small to see if the bar is THICK enough to hold the weight of the car incase of a roll-over. That would be nice, roll over and have a rollcage that collapses. LoL. Superman anyone?

[mav1178]

http://www.evolutionautosports.com/images/media/ssaug03pg2.JPG

Convertible + Harness - Rollbar or any kind of stable overhead protection = asking for trouble.

-glenn

The S2000 has stock roll hoops built into the back of the seat.

-alex

[sykikchimp]

The scroth harnesses are the ONLY DOT approved 4-points. They have that because they have an extra area of strap and stitching built into one of the shoulder straps so that in a hard collision, the stitching will breakaway, and allow your 4-point to act like a 3-point. If your gonna use it on the street, ONLY USE SCROTH.

The only place any other 4-point is ok is at a low speed auto-x were rollovers are very unlikely. I've read stories upon stories of people being seriously injured, and even killed by 4-points b/c of submarining under the lap belt. Causes all kinds of damage to ribs and internal organs. BAD mmmkay'

It's also not a good idea to run a 5 or 6 point without a sub-belt hole in your seat. If you bring the sub-belt over the front of the seat, it will be reducing it's effectiveness greatly.

And of course Roll Bars should be (and are with many clubs) mandatory with harnesses of any kind.

There are also NO DOT legal 5-point or 6-point harnesses. A cop CAN give you a ticket for wearing one on the street.

In summary
Scroth 4-point OK, any other = bad unless auto-xing

5/6-points ONLY ok when used with a proper seat, and roll bar.

[mav1178]

The Nismo harnesses are manufactured by Willians and meet FMVSS standards as well.

-alex

[old_s13]

hey alex, what brings you to zilvia..?
dont you know you need a special shit-talking pass to post here. dont try that fresh alloy shit on here or i'll beat your ass.

- mike

[mav1178]

Why, I can't post? Oh well, not my loss.

But seriously, I post to put up correct info.

-alex

[nokeone]

it's refreshing to have accurate info now and then...

much appreciated around here..

[sykikchimp]

I did not realize that. Thanks!

I still wouldn't run those on the street though, as they have no Anti-submarine technology built-in like the Schroth harnesses do.

[FRpilot]

b/s look at that s2000. its all about looking cool. check out the shades man.

[mav1178]

http://www.hondacars.com/models/safety.asp?ModelName=S2000

Do you even want me to quote that page? Or should I just let the page speak for itself?

-alex

[Ghettokracker71]

Are cages street legal?

[95Blue240sx]

correct me if im wrong but if the harness is bolted down anywhere but on a cage isnt that dangerous to your spine? when you think about it, if the harness in bolted to the floor its going to be pulling you down during a collision or whatever and possible to break some spinal discs. i heard this from some MR2 road racer dudes.

[old_s13]

there are provisions you must look at before mounting harnesses in a car WITHOUT a cage. either way, i wouldnt run harnesses without a cage or roll bar.. thats just me.

- mike

[old_s13]

Alex....

IM RICK JAMES BITCH.


Why, I can't post? Oh well, not my loss.

But seriously, I post to put up correct info.

-alex