installing energy suspension subframe bushing on s14

[SR2oD3T]

i have done a day worth of research on this installation and getting so confuse. i already ordered the energy suspension poly bushing for my s14 subframe. some people say u just need to take/burn the rubber out and clean it. some people say u have to also cut out the metal sleeve that goes between the subframe seat and the actual rubber bushing.
some people claim that after they cut out the metal sleeve, the new ES bushing doesn't hold in place and will slide out.
can someone verify that?
bushings are arriving soon. don't wanna mess up anything and have to get a new subframe.

thanks.

KELvin

[jamg]

i didn't cut the metal sleeve in my S13 subframe when i installed it.

word of advice, cut out the metal insert itself. use a sawzaw

[codyace]

This thread sums it up best. There used to be a guide I'd send people on youtube but I can't find the link.

Pics and Thread: Trying not to beat a dead horse (subframe bushing install questions) - Page 5 - Nissan Road Racing Forums (http://www.nissanroadracing.com/showthread.php?t=1588&page=5)

I will say this though, I hate using fire as it makes a big ass mess. I've had best luck just sawing them out and then using a wire wheel to clean it up. A sawzall makes the job 800x easier, but a hand powered hacksaw works too

[SR2oD3T]

thanks for the reply and thanks for the link. it kinda helped.

the ES bushing is arriving tmr so i spent today to drop the subframe and removed all the arms and diff. sure enough, the front 2 bushings were totally separated. i just pulled them out with pliers. the rear 2 bushings still look fine, so i cut out the 2 good ones with a saw.
i ending up burnt out all of the leave over plastic rubber and cleaner them with wire brush. since i don't wanna mess anything up, i decided to take some detail pictures so u guys know what i m talking about. also bushing is arriving tmr so i can measure the actual diameter needed.

here's some pictures of me taking off the subframe bushing:
http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/kelvinpun/brokenbushing2.jpg
the front bushings are totally separated and i took them out with pliers.

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/kelvinpun/frontoldbushing.jpg
close up of how it looks like on the front bushing.

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/kelvinpun/rearoldbushing.jpg
rear bushings look ok. but i'll still replace it of course.

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/kelvinpun/leftfrontafterclean.jpg
this is how it looks like after i burnt all the rubber and cleaned it with wire brush.

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/kelvinpun/plasticmiddlering.jpg
this is the hard plastic ring i hammered it out on both of the front bushings.

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/kelvinpun/leftfrontcloseupinsidering.jpg
it looks like it has an inner cage that is still surrounding by some rubber. then a lip, then the sleeve, then the subframe body itself.

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/kelvinpun/leftfrontcloseup2.jpg
bottom view of the front one.

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/kelvinpun/leftrear.jpg
the rear looks simple. doesn't have the hard plastic ring like the front. doesn't have the cage.

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/kelvinpun/leftrearcut.jpg
top down view of the rear. its all cleaned as well, however i accidentally cut the lip on the bottom two times. hopefully its not a big deal.

http://i1135.photobucket.com/albums/m623/kelvinpun/leftrearbottom.jpg
this is the bottom view of the rear. u can see the two cut damaged lip i mentions. it looks like its part of the sleeve.

question is. which sleeve/cage i have to cut/remove for the front and the rear to install the ES bushing?

thanks again guys.

KELivn

[om3ga]

IMO it is really worth doing the solid bushings in this area. We have always done them on our builds and the noise is not really that bad. It improves the rear response drastically. They are straight forward to install as well, you remove all sleeves for those.

I believe it is the same for the ES bushings. I don't think you leave any cups or sleeves in there but i might be mistaken. They do come with install instructions stating which piece to leave in there.

Good luck!