Nice Picture of the Day

[old_s13]

http://www.the-top.com/350z.jpg

Zilvia = Z + Silvia

so... its a Z therefor its not off-topic, right..? bah i dont care.. im old school and i dont need to be careful when i post. i'm like that old cat that pisses on the carpet.. i dont think anyone will mind.

Enjoy!
Mike

[GonadSX]

Erm, very nice picture but man that looks like some crooked stitching.

[FRpilot]

i dont get it? the front is a Z? and the rear is a silvia? the bottom half is split in the middle.

[GonadSX]

FRpilot: No he is saying that Zilvia is derived from "Z" and "Silvia" so the image he
posted is not off-topic to the board.

And the picture posted is indeed a 350Z.

[old_s13]

yup.. its a Z33 of course. interesting how folks on the Z33 forum are just so stupid. most of them are new car owners who sold their 2002 eclipse and got insurance money or something, now ended up with a Z because they probably got a new job. why do i say this? because most of the comments i see on the Z33 forums are of people asking how do i install vinyl tint over my lights, how do i install a carbon fiber hood and hood pins (when stock is super light aluminum.. why?), endless body kit questions, and rarely do people start yapping away about performance.. but of course, there are those few who have gone the forced induction route and get more respect. its just crazy, you look at the underside of that car and i bet you just about anyone here would be like "wow.. super clean.. doesnt need much other than to be driven." sure, you can say a set of coilovers, wheels, and other minor things would help the car and be nice.. not saying that its bad to modify.. but these guys are just rediculous. new car owners are just weird people. you look at the shit we give eachother and its usually on much more complex stuff. plus, we're dealing with older cars which need tons of TLC. its usually the folks that think they can just treat the 240SX and fix it up as a new car, which get flamed. fixing up an old car requires lot of patience, time, and of course.. money. knowledge doesnt hurt either.. but man, it seems so many folks are trying to cheap-out nowadays.. and whats worse is they think it doesnt show. poor-modded cars ALWAYS show their thriftness... its like the difference between Tupac and JaRule. Dont get me started..


but man that looks like some crooked stitching

what do you mean?

[deedeedum]

^ i think he's talking about the photoshopping

[old_s13]

oh yeah i didnt notice how crappy the rear-end of the car was merged together.

- mike

[hookedup240]

yup.. its a Z33 of course. interesting how folks on the Z33 forum are just so stupid. most of them are new car owners who sold their 2002 eclipse and got insurance money or something, now ended up with a Z because they probably got a new job. why do i say this? because most of the comments i see on the Z33 forums are of people asking how do i install vinyl tint over my lights, how do i install a carbon fiber hood and hood pins (when stock is super light aluminum.. why?), endless body kit questions, and rarely do people start yapping away about performance.. but of course, there are those few who have gone the forced induction route and get more respect. its just crazy, you look at the underside of that car and i bet you just about anyone here would be like "wow.. super clean.. doesnt need much other than to be driven." sure, you can say a set of coilovers, wheels, and other minor things would help the car and be nice.. not saying that its bad to modify.. but these guys are just rediculous. new car owners are just weird people. you look at the shit we give eachother and its usually on much more complex stuff. plus, we're dealing with older cars which need tons of TLC. its usually the folks that think they can just treat the 240SX and fix it up as a new car, which get flamed. fixing up an old car requires lot of patience, time, and of course.. money. knowledge doesnt hurt either.. but man, it seems so many folks are trying to cheap-out nowadays.. and whats worse is they think it doesnt show. poor-modded cars ALWAYS show their thriftness... its like the difference between Tupac and JaRule. Dont get me started..


but man that looks like some crooked stitching

what do you mean?


yea mike i know what you mean i often read the 350z forums, and some g35 ones. I've seen guys asking for help on how to install an intake. :wtf:

They are nice cars, and some of those guys with FI are putting down some good numbers.

[Chernobyl]

bah i dont care.. im old school and i dont need to be careful when i post. i'm like that old cat that pisses on the carpet.. i dont think anyone will mind.

Must you bring up your "old-schoolness" in every other thread I see you post? Maybe it's just coinicidence, but I've read this phrase in your posts at least 3 times now. I get it... you've had a 240 for a long time. But umm, should I care? Almost like you are saying you must be right on everything.

Just something that's been bugging me, I thought I'd point it out.

On topic: cool picture. I'm always interested to see what cars' undersides look like.

[MakotoS13]

most corvette owners don't fully appreciate the car for what it is. it's like that with most sports cars because it's cool to have em and they look pretty. half these tards don't know why they like to mod and why racing is fun. they do it to win bragging rights while other people do it because the feeling is temendous.

[sykikchimp]

I'm right on everything.

mm.. aluminum suspension arms galore... tastey..

I'd like to see the same shot with all the underbody aero in place.

[mdzowner]

well old s13, and hooked up 240, new car owners arent weird they just have the resources to get what they want. i infact have a 2003 z33 and aside from those who run boost or what have you. my z stock will smack down most 240sx new or old. and if you decide to say well mine runs 13's or better well guess what. if i had spent all the money on mine as you did yours it would still whip up on you and yours.

and so what if people ask stupid questions on forums.THATS WHAT FORUMS ARE FOR or are they there to make some people think they are smarter than someone else. and 240s have bbeen around for years. of course you might know the ins and outs and "how to put on an intake" remember the z33 is only two years old .
and yes it does take a lot of time patience and knowledge to maintain an older car. that was your choice. does the fact that i bought a new car make me a "cheep-out"
mdzowner

[Ghettokracker71]

If Zilvia is about Z's and the S-chassis nissan cars then how come when you click on "forums" from the home page....

Tech Talk
"Technical Discussion About The Nissan 240SX"

Chat
"General Discussion About The Nissan 240SX"

Just wondering....

(I know on the homepage,it says that it caters to Z's,but where? All on 99.9% of "on topic" chat +tech talk is about the S-Chassis.)

[old_s13]

new car owners arent weird they just have the resources to get what they want.

Yup.. resources to get fine modifications like 350Z license plate holders, "JDM" fairlady Z badges, stickers, and an aimless array of knock-off brand name "replica" body kits. Great! I've seen too many Z33's with excessive stickers and lack of modifications.


i infact have a 2003 z33 and aside from those who run boost or what have you. my z stock will smack down most 240sx new or old. and if you decide to say well mine runs 13's or better well guess what. if i had spent all the money on mine as you did yours it would still whip up on you and yours.

thats great! thats why you are either a) still paying for your car or b) leasing it. And, lets just say you happened to pay for your Z in full, enjoy paying the high premiums for your insurance. The point here isnt to compare and diss eachother's car, that wasnt the point.. the Z is a well appreciated car. The point I was trying to make was that Z33 owners are a much different breed from ANY older Z owner. Thanks for helping me prove my point though...


and so what if people ask stupid questions on forums.THATS WHAT FORUMS ARE FOR or are they there to make some people think they are smarter than someone else. and 240s have bbeen around for years. of course you might know the ins and outs and "how to put on an intake" remember the z33 is only two years old .
and yes it does take a lot of time patience and knowledge to maintain an older car. that was your choice. does the fact that i bought a new car make me a "cheep-out"

Forums are for sharing information, the forum isnt the issue here. The issue has to do with car owners not know how to properly fix up a car. Cheaping out doesnt mean cluttering your car with modifications, cheaping out has to do with fixing up a Z33 with the WRONG type of parts which make the car look cheap. When you spend 30+k on a Z and you put knock-off wheels that dont look OR fit right, thats cheaping out. Its the fashion equivelent of buying an expensive suit and wearing some Keds from Payless Shoes "because you got a good deal." Its called having good taste.


Must you bring up your "old-schoolness" in every other thread I see you post? Maybe it's just coinicidence, but I've read this phrase in your posts at least 3 times now. I get it... you've had a 240 for a long time. But umm, should I care? Almost like you are saying you must be right on everything.

I am right with everything. I am the king. Its highly suggested you stop talking and from now on, just bow everytime I post. Thanks.

- Mike

[old_s13]

if i had spent all the money on mine as you did yours it would still whip up on you and yours.

Ya know.. I am re-reading what you wrote.. god this is such a stupid thing to say. What kind of cheap point are you trying to make? Its an absolute fact that you've already spent MORE on your car.. so you're starting in the negative. Example? My car in 1996 = ~8,000 dollars for my S13 Base Model Hatch (and thats high). Your car? Easily over 30k new. Even if we go new for new, an S13 like mine new was ~16k back in 1990 I think. You're car is still nearly DOUBLE the cost. But lets put that all aside since maybe you think thats not a fair example.. lets talking "modifications." Last I checked, you're extra 2 pistons will boost the price of just about ANY modification you do to your car. Dual exhaust? Sounds like dual the price on an exhaust! I guess you can still go single exhaust.. but that is still gonna cost you a pretty penny. What else? Dont get me started on wheels and tires. And insurance? Come on buddy.. come on... you're already in the hole, so there's just NO way to compare.

But its okay.. because your 350Z can easily "whip up" on my car. If only the owner had the balls to drive it. :) Remember, there is a button next to your power steering wheel labelled "TCS" .. that stands for TRACTION CONTROL SYSTEM.. push that button if you are feeling DARING and RECKLESS! hahaha man im sucH a dick. :)

[mdzowner]

first off, my car is paid off and i pay 150 a month for full coverage. oh wait you already knew that "king". and i dont have one mod or sticker on my z33. oh wait you knew that too. and who made you the authority on what looks cheep and what doesnt.
and i know what tcs means. suprising you do since you dont have it.
and what was that last line?man im suck a dick? if thats what your into by all means go ahead. too bad your not the king of grammer.

[mdzowner]

on second thought. i dont really care. you are entitled to your opinion. i can accept that. i do weird shit all the time. no hard feelings
mdzowner

[old_s13]

you cant compare insurance rates either, its obvious that there is going to be a HUGE difference between maryland and lets say, crack-head LOS ANGELES where Tyrone will smash your window to snatch change for his Red Balls crack drink.

you did get me on that last line though.. which was funny. ha.. no feelings man, its all comedy on here anyway

[Maeda]

My uncle (former 5.0 owner) picked up a 350z('bling only model', no brakes or rays wheels), and knows I love playing with me car. He starts yapping about how he's gong to do this and that(Greddy TT kit), and I asked him "so where are you going to drive it?" and he simply said to me.

"Drive it? Are you nuts? This is a new 350z!" There were other gems, such as "the stocks suspensions too stiff, do you know where can I get something more comfortable?" and "I can't lighten the car, that would ruin it."

I've only seen the thing twice thus far. I noticed there are a total of 3 nismo stickers on the rear of the car already.

I can't wait to stomp on it with my POS14.

[old_s13]

thats great.. fix up a car and not drive it.

sounds like a smart guy.. :)

[mike13]

my z stock will smack down most 240sx new or old. and if you decide to say well mine runs 13's or better well guess what. if i had spent all the money on mine as you did yours it would still whip up on you and yours.

mdzowner

350z = 30k
s14 240sx 5.5k

30 - 5.5 = 24.5

s14 + 24.5k in suspension, wheels/ tires, engine, drivetrain, aero, interior would own your ass any day of the week. 13's? pfft. Think 11's. .94 g on the skidpad? how about over a g. Depreciation? non existant. Fear of driving hard and wrecking? You can always get a shell and swap parts.

This exact reasoning can be applied to any older car when compared to something thats "fast straight out of the box".

final equation:
you + zilvia.net = owned big time
dont even try.

[hookedup240]

350z = 30k
s14 240sx 5.5k

30 - 5.5 = 24.5

s14 + 24.5k in suspension, wheels/ tires, engine, drivetrain, aero, interior would own your ass any day of the week. 13's? pfft. Think 11's. .94 g on the skidpad? how about over a g. Depreciation? non existant. Fear of driving hard and wrecking? You can always get a shell and swap parts.

This exact reasoning can be applied to any older car when compared to something thats "fast straight out of the box".

final equation:
you + zilvia.net = owned big time
dont even try.


I love the 350z, but he does have a point.

nice ownage.

[old_s13]

i dont think its as extreme as you make it seem mike13, money is money.. parts dont make your car run faster, good engineering.. time.. and wisdom will make your car run right. i mean sure money has a lot to do with it, but it always comes down to knowledge and wisdom. it doesnt matter if you're stupid with a 350Z or stupid with an S13/S14, if you smash your car you are going to break stuff that isnt "swappable" between chassis. AND, depreciation does play a role.. but in a different way. used parts dont sell as much as new ones, but used cars dont sell as much as new ones either.

people who buy Z33's are people who want performance and probably arent going to tear the entire car down and rebuild it from scratch. im not even comparing the two cars because they are completely different target markets. people who buy these old cars need to understand the type of knowledge needed to fix a 240sx (or any older car up), while newer cars just need to be modified tastefully.

that is the point i am trying to make. neither is better or worse.. both will require a lot of time AND money. my gut feeling tells me older cars require MUCH more time, while newer cars require more money.. depends on what route you want to go.

i dont know that many people driving COMPLETED S13's.. hence, the reason why there is so much work in progress (including my own car).

so..

[nocomedown]

first off, my car is paid off and i pay 150 a month for full coverage. oh wait you already knew that "king". and i dont have one mod or sticker on my z33. oh wait you knew that too. and who made you the authority on what looks cheep and what doesnt.
and i know what tcs means. suprising you do since you dont have it.
and what was that last line?man im suck a dick? if thats what your into by all means go ahead. too bad your not the king of grammer.
uhh...just want to point out that you're no king of "grammer" either.
maybe you should try spelling it right before you start calling people on it.

[kuruptR]

old_s13 must be taking dousans spot? usually hes all over this.
one comment...my s13 looks stock i spent a lot less, and i have raped 2 - 3 350z's and g35s... makes me pretty happy... oh i get more looks too ;D :fawkd:

[Bliss]

lol...u get more looks in your stock looking s13 than someone in a 350 does? lol...nice try. i like s13s, but bitches love the new stuff. :D

[old_s13]

uhh...just want to point out that you're no king of "grammer" either.
maybe you should try spelling it right before you start calling people on it.

mispelling grammar as grammer is MUCH better than what I did

say "im suck a dick" instead of "im such a dick"

hahaha man i fucked up. does this mean i am gay?

one of my friends told me.. "just because you like dick that doesnt mean you're gay"

hahahaha comedy..

[No Motiv]

That Pic Is Fucking Huge

[mike13]

i dont think its as extreme as you make it seem mike13, money is money.. parts dont make your car run faster, good engineering.. time.. and wisdom will make your car run right
True. Lets take this fictional situation as an example to further embellish on this point.
someone buys an s14 for $5,000.
the goal with this car is to build the ultimate street machine for 25k (25k being the average amount americans spend on new cars).
When this car is finished it will surpass ANY new car costing 25k in all aspects of performance, as well as cars costing up to 4 times as much.
The person heading this project is a knowledgable person and has relations to mechanics and technicians that will assist in building the car.
The person spends the necessary time researching and shopping for the best parts for the goal of the project.
By means of a callaborative effort, the car is built within budget and for less than the cost of a base model Z, you're smoking 360 Modenas.
Anyone with common sense and the most basic connections can do it. Asshats like the guy above are stuck arguing about how their 350z or Mustang Cobra etc is "teh shiznits and why dont u just buy a car thats alredy fast from the factery yo"

blah
:fart:

[old_s13]

i cant say.. its hard to say what will and will not be an awesome setup.

its never about money, it ALWAYS comes down to fabrication skills, ingenuity, and knowledge. ive met PLENTY of people who have dumped money into their cars, ONLY to never be able to complete the project. the car never ever ever EVER runs right or is complete. shit, right now i am guilty for being one of them.. but then again, i run the business here and i am over-worked.. the story of my life. when the weekend comes, i rarely want to do anything else than relax. hopefully i can wrap up this car soon.. ive been putting mega hours into this new wiring harness.

anyway.. there are plenty of cars that will kick mega ass new.. and there are plenty that will kick ass that are used and built up. i am sure if you took an old domestic it would be MUCH easier to get power out of those than our cars, thats for sure. but handling? braking? well, it always comes down to the balance of what YOU want as a driver. i know folks with old domestics pushing HUGE power and our cars are a joke in terms of power. BUT, theres no way I would want power without perception (braking, handling, etc).

- mike

[radhaz]

Don't feed the trolls (http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm)

[nismo2491]

well old s13, and hooked up 240, new car owners arent weird they just have the resources to get what they want. i infact have a 2003 z33 and aside from those who run boost or what have you. my z stock will smack down most 240sx new or old. and if you decide to say well mine runs 13's or better well guess what. if i had spent all the money on mine as you did yours it would still whip up on you and yours.

yeah but if I drop the same money total into my car that you dropped total into the z (price of car, parts, etc) I bet the 240 would win. sorry man its just the fact that you can buy a 240 for $1000 and dump $35,000 into it.....
anyways check your pm's as well about something.
KEvin

[mdzowner]

i think the point was that if i spent 35,000 (on top of the cost) then it would win and i am well aware of the cost of a 240 mine was free. to each his own
mdzowner

hey kevin, ill try and make it i have to work but ill see what i can do. pm me with the directions if you have time

[AceInHole]

i think the point was that if i spent 35,000 (on top of the cost) then it would win and i am well aware of the cost of a 240 mine was free.

whoa.... $70,000..... you could have 7 240sx's, each modified completely differently, and each would own the z..... o.O\


EDIT: well, maybe not 7...... but haven't you always wanted 7 s-chassis cars?

[240Stilo]

EDIT: well, maybe not 7...... but haven't you always wanted 7 s-chassis cars?

I can see it now..."Hmm today is Monday so time to take out the 95 KA-T, Oops! I forgot Monday was yesterday today I will take the SR powered S13 silly me. (rich man laugh)."

[ICKY]

LoL, Go Old_S13, break it down for everybody! Me myself will probably never finnish with my S14. There will always be something i would want to change. Just to let you know, i agree with you 100%.

[old_s13]

i mean what a lot of people forget, is what my friends and i call the "practical limit."

people who fix up cars need to remember that there is only so much money will buy you, you reach a point where your car can be faster than others.. but are YOU a faster driver than OTHERS? Personally, in the canyons I think 200HP is great.. I havent even bothered upgrading my SR because I've already been having fun with cars that are much much much more expensive and exotic as mine. Why? Practical limit. Combine a driver who doesnt know the road, or even a driver that does but just isnt as good of a driver.. whatever.. you can only do so much.

Its like audio equipment.. I used to be big into that as well. You can pay for good audio equipment.. and then, you reach a point where you are paying HUUUGE dollars for cabling, separate amps, pre-amp, etc etc.. and the difference while it is better, is very very hard to even differentiate unless you put the shit in a sound-proof room.

So.. all depends on what you want to do. Getting better performance out of a Z is good, and I am sure its an option.. but at what cost? The purchase of the car is already expensive, then there's everything OEM you want to remove and replace.. more expense. Not dissing the car or saying its incapable.. just saying somethings arent practical.

I mean who are WE kidding? Most of us 240SX owners dont buy 1,000 dollar cars with 30k in the bank ready to go on modifications. Talking as if our shit doesnt stink, most 240 owners I come across are broker than shit.. hence the reason I always get e-mails requesting "sponsorships" for products they just cant afford.

Oh well.. love the sport.. dont hate the player, hate the game. :)

[Red]

True. Lets take this fictional situation as an example to further embellish on this point.
someone buys an s14 for $5,000.
the goal with this car is to build the ultimate street machine for 25k (25k being the average amount americans spend on new cars).
When this car is finished it will surpass ANY new car costing 25k in all aspects of performance, as well as cars costing up to 4 times as much.
The person heading this project is a knowledgable person and has relations to mechanics and technicians that will assist in building the car.
The person spends the necessary time researching and shopping for the best parts for the goal of the project.
By means of a callaborative effort, the car is built within budget and for less than the cost of a base model Z, you're smoking 360 Modenas.
Anyone with common sense and the most basic connections can do it. Asshats like the guy above are stuck arguing about how their 350z or Mustang Cobra etc is "teh shiznits and why dont u just buy a car thats alredy fast from the factery yo"

blah
:fart:


I'm with you on this one... I got the cash to buy a 350z, but whats the point? For the ammont of cash that car would cost in price, insurance, and overpriced mods. I could do a tun to my current car or any other old car... I can build a Ricecar for much less then I can but one...

All in all when the 350z becomes cheep (about 10k) then I will look into one.

Hell another 10k in my engine and i'll be fine, Then I will cost the same as a 350z base.

As of now I have 10k of mods. (this includes my $2300 sound system)