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s13mikesr20
03-02-2013, 11:02 PM
Wondering which nissan usses the slimest brake booster turbo hits master cylinder which sucks....lol

S14jake
03-02-2013, 11:07 PM
not sure about thinnest stock booster but you can always try this

Chase Bays Brake Booster Eliminator - Universal Chase Bays - ChaseBays.com (http://www.chasebays.com/product/universal-chase-bays/chase-bays-brake-booster-eliminator)

Bambi
03-02-2013, 11:09 PM
WHOA, DO NOT CONTINUE DRIVING LIKE THAT.

You will melt it and/or worse!

I suggest you look into the Chase Bays brake booster eliminator or any other similar quality aftermarket brake booster replacement/substitute. Also please SHIELD it from the turbo!


edit: beat me to it! ^^

Seraphim38
03-02-2013, 11:11 PM
my top mount GTX3076R turbo is around an 1/4 of an inch at most from my z32 master cylinder and brake lines (s13 hatch). Wrapped with DEI dial a gold heat wrap. Pic below

Any other options?

Non-power brakes for a daily driver...? Sounds yucky. I don't think I would be too excited about converting to non-power assist brakes but i would love to have the room back from the Chase Bays Kit.

pic below with the master cylinder unbolted as we were putting the turbo and driveline in

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n233/seraphim38/240sx/IMG-20130218-00227_zps8dc81e95.jpg

s13mikesr20
03-02-2013, 11:21 PM
Chase bay kit is out of the question gave a call to willwood they to me one port master cylinder shouldn't power four calipers they HIGHLY recomend not doin this

They told me there shoukd be a minimun of one cylinder per two calipers if brake booster is out of the question

So s14 slim booster or sentra im using a cast iron top mount 35r its not at a angle as pictured obove

shanelach
03-03-2013, 07:26 AM
S13 hicas abs booster is supposed to be thin. I cant find a photo of one though. Get a blanket too.

Gar9854
03-03-2013, 08:42 AM
It may not be interchangeable but I've seen a few hardbody guys use a booster off a geo metro when they're tucking 24's. look on the build for the show TRUCKS! They did that setup

Cease_Super_Hicas
03-03-2013, 09:20 AM
I heard that the brake booster in the older sentras a bit thiner?

s13mikesr20
03-03-2013, 10:58 AM
Been looking at the geo metro cylinder looks small and right for my application just not pumped about
A p.o.s geo part in my car lol

s13mikesr20
03-03-2013, 11:08 AM
Booster*****

jr_ss
03-03-2013, 11:54 AM
What booster do YOU currently have? If you have an auto booster, try the 5spd booster...

Mikester
03-03-2013, 12:58 PM
What booster do YOU currently have? If you have an auto booster, try the 5spd booster...

Are they different externally?

Matej
03-03-2013, 01:03 PM
Been looking at the geo metro cylinder looks small and right for my application just not pumped about
A p.o.s geo part in my car lol
The Ford Festiva booster works as well, if that aligns any better with your brand perception. :)

Neither is really thinner though.
Just more adorable.
http://www.rockauto.com/getimage/getimage.php?imagekey=258755&imageurl=http%3A%2F%2Fmy.cardone.com%2FImagesftp%2 F53%2F532330-01.jpg

s13mikesr20
03-03-2013, 01:32 PM
What booster do YOU currently have? If you have an auto booster, try the 5spd booster...

Auto booster i had.... ill post pics of the difference soon...

zerodameaon
03-04-2013, 05:54 PM
Are they different externally?

No they are the same size, at least for the S13, the ones that were bigger were the ABS ones. My automatic car has the same one as my manual car.
Both of my S13s have the middle one, my buddy has a ABS S13 and it looks like the last one.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/sdaigle240/boosters.jpg

s13mikesr20
03-04-2013, 10:44 PM
No they are the same size, at least for the S13, the ones that were bigger were the ABS ones. My automatic car has the same one as my manual car.
Both of my S13s have the middle one, my buddy has a ABS S13 and it looks like the last one.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/sdaigle240/boosters.jpg

This guy.....he knows thank you for the pic

Seraphim38
03-05-2013, 09:44 AM
OK so now the obvious question is going to be can you use or adapt the thinner S14 booster for use on an early S13?

nemesisdrift
03-05-2013, 10:29 AM
OK so now the obvious question is going to be can you use or adapt the thinner S14 booster for use on an early S13?

they are Plug and play. I've done it on my car and I actually have one of the s14 thin boosters sitting on my shelves if someone wants it.

Seraphim38
03-05-2013, 11:31 AM
If the S14 thinner brake booster is plug and play I'll bite. How much shipped to 98296? (Washington)

Now finally assembed, here is how close it sits with the normal S13 brake booster:

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n233/seraphim38/240sx/IMG-20130305-00282_zps7a1b8663.jpg

EsChassisLove
03-05-2013, 11:37 AM
Just getter S14 non abs 5 speed booster.

And a fat blanket for that turbine housing lol

Seraphim38
03-05-2013, 11:38 AM
Yup I have a blanket for the turbo housing already, not shown though. We were going to stuff it in there.

idahotuner
03-05-2013, 11:44 AM
i have a z31 bmc it had plant of clearance with my twin scroll and gt3076 , but i can tell mine is positioned towards the front of the car

EsChassisLove
03-05-2013, 11:58 AM
And I want a GTX35.....shit lol

mr_eh
03-05-2013, 12:02 PM
full race kit, 35r 1.06 exhaust housing, z32 bmc, absbrake booster
http://www.uploads.decalbin.com/data/mbb-clearance.jpg
http://www.uploads.decalbin.com/data/mbb-clearance-2.jpg


here's a brake booster from a non abs
http://www.pride-performance.com/assets/images/pas-240-49.jpg

if that don't help you then i dunno what to tell you.

EsChassisLove
03-05-2013, 12:23 PM
That's a non abs booster. The one on the car.

Seraphim38
03-05-2013, 01:09 PM
GT35R with a 1.06 housing? Man that must spool late!

It looks like I woudl benefit from ordering a S14 non-abs 5 speed brake booster. Checking on sources and pricing now.

Wizard
03-05-2013, 01:46 PM
you guys dont think theres a reason behind the abs booster being bigger?

Seraphim38
03-05-2013, 04:37 PM
Of course there is a reason, but I am not a mechanical engineer who designs automotive braking systems. An easy guess would be that the larger brake booster is to help buffer pedal feel with surges in hydraulic pressure associated with the activitation of the ABS system, but I don't really know what I am talking about.

I don't have an ABS car, so I don't need it.

jr_ss
03-05-2013, 05:03 PM
Are they different externally?

On the S14, they are different. My booster doesnt look a thing like the S14 Manual booster posted below, hence the "Auto" terminology. The S14 ABS/Auto boosters are exactly the same item, they just varied MC sizing.

No they are the same size, at least for the S13, the ones that were bigger were the ABS ones. My automatic car has the same one as my manual car.
Both of my S13s have the middle one, my buddy has a ABS S13 and it looks like the last one.
http://i220.photobucket.com/albums/dd301/sdaigle240/boosters.jpg

Read above, I had an auto non-ABS car and mine looks exactly like third picture, I'm the second owner and it was never swapped out.

you guys dont think theres a reason behind the abs booster being bigger?

Yes, there is a reason. However, most cars are no longer in their factory configuration. I no longer have an automatic in my car, however I do have larger brakes all around and like the added boost.

xZxCORE
03-05-2013, 05:04 PM
Chase bay kit is out of the question gave a call to willwood they to me one port master cylinder shouldn't power four calipers they HIGHLY recomend not doin this

They told me there shoukd be a minimun of one cylinder per two calipers if brake booster is out of the question

So s14 slim booster or sentra im using a cast iron top mount 35r its not at a angle as pictured obove

I ran the Chase Bays brake booster delete kit on my s13 and loved it, cause after you get used to it its not bad... but with that being said im surprised they didn't tell you about the tandem remote master cylinder. I think that would be your better option.. Chase Bays sells it all and I'm sure they could sell you the plate with it that mounts to the firewall.

I have not seen the kit ran like that but If you call chase again and ask I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. i have included pics of my setup (looks shity in this pic) and the tandem wilwood master cylinder.


http://i48.tinypic.com/14c4oie.jpg


http://i45.tinypic.com/sxyluf.jpg

s13mikesr20
03-05-2013, 05:22 PM
I ran the Chase Bays brake booster delete kit on my s13 and loved it, cause after you get used to it its not bad... but with that being said im surprised they didn't tell you about the tandem remote master cylinder. I think that would be your better option.. Chase Bays sells it all and I'm sure they could sell you the plate with it that mounts to the firewall.

I have not seen the kit ran like that but If you call chase again and ask I'm sure it wouldn't hurt. i have included pics of my setup (looks shity in this pic) and the tandem wilwood master cylinder.


http://i48.tinypic.com/14c4oie.jpg


http://i45.tinypic.com/sxyluf.jpg

Im so happy i made this thread
Seems like the 35r is a fun choice for the sr and..

Willwood didnt tell me about the tandem cylinder weird but i went to parts geekand ordered
My brake booster from the metro if it doesnt work ill retun it and buy a s14 thin style

But off topic i need a 02 bung for stock sensor where can i get such a thing
Small type sensor for sr20

xZxCORE
03-05-2013, 05:30 PM
Are you going to weld it in? If so you should be able to find one just about anywhere just figure out the thread pitch. I think Enjuku carries one for like $10

EDIT: I do know the threads are different for the skinny and fat sensor so just make sure you dont get the wrong one to prevent further headaches..

s13mikesr20
03-05-2013, 05:38 PM
Are you going to weld it in? If so you should be able to find one just about anywhere just figure out the thread pitch. I think Enjuku carries one for like $10

EDIT: I do know the threads are different for the skinny and fat sensor so just make sure you dont get the wrong one to prevent further headaches..

I have the sensor but my super ultra mega downpipe doesnt have a o2 bung so i gotta make one super weak sauce

Matej
03-05-2013, 07:22 PM
The only decent way to do manual brakes (other than some full race car setup) is to move the pivot point of the brake pedal to increase its leverage.
It is also not very good for the thin firewall, which will eventually start flexing, unless you reinforce it or use a brake master stopper.

s13mikesr20
03-07-2013, 02:42 PM
http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q502/Canadasr20/CAM00076_zpse233a174.jpg

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q502/Canadasr20/CAM00075_zps7c5b8d5b.jpg

http://i1161.photobucket.com/albums/q502/Canadasr20/CAM00074_zps051347df.jpg

So got my brake booster in and size is perfect but back studs r to short to get into the cab was very upset one of the last pieces to my puzzle and it was to dam short fuck me

s13mikesr20
03-07-2013, 06:28 PM
Bump still trying to find this hard to find brake booster

mr_eh
03-08-2013, 10:21 AM
That's a non abs booster. The one on the car.

right, didnt realize the size was an issue until everything was clocked and together. the other one is in the car now with no problems

GT35R with a 1.06 housing? Man that must spool late!

It looks like I woudl benefit from ordering a S14 non-abs 5 speed brake booster. Checking on sources and pricing now.

it's a twin scroll setup - spools just fine :) made 501whp at 30psi


Bump still trying to find this hard to find brake booster

junkyards.

Seraphim38
03-08-2013, 11:54 AM
Bump still trying to find this hard to find brake booster

Buy nemesisdrift's spare. I was going to but other things have come up. Send him a PM.

Ikera
04-17-2013, 02:18 PM
you can try RHD BMC for a little extra clearance,

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w3/Ikera-/240sx/IMG01467-20121015-2234.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w3/Ikera-/240sx/IMG01466-20121015-2233.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w3/Ikera-/240sx/IMG01465-20121015-2233.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w3/Ikera-/240sx/IMG01566-20121106-2205.jpg

I ran like this for 6months, but I'm switching back to stock because I think there is more clearance than I expected so it should be fine

Croustibat
04-18-2013, 02:13 AM
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http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w3/Ikera-/240sx/IMG01566-20121106-2205.jpg
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please tell me that you DID clock the core, and that seeing it upside down is just an illusion. Because if it is not, that thing is not going to last ...

ZacKisBacK_Fr
04-18-2013, 03:26 AM
Ouch!! Well spotted m8!

Ikera
04-18-2013, 01:27 PM
please tell me that you DID clock the core, and that seeing it upside down is just an illusion. Because if it is not, that thing is not going to last ...

actually it is the right side up, that is the feed on top and of course my drain like is much bigger 5/8" and facing down

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w3/Ikera-/240sx/IMG01573-20121106-2210.jpg

Croustibat
04-19-2013, 02:10 AM
It really looked like it was the drain side, with the 2 bolt holes next to it. Well done then :D

s13mikesr20
04-21-2013, 04:21 PM
dam running right hand drive bmc is smart as shit why didn't I think of that ffffuuuuucccccckkkk

with a single slammer fuck yeaw

Croustibat
04-22-2013, 02:50 AM
Running RHD BMC also means you have to redo your brake lines.

KiLLeR2001
04-22-2013, 03:10 AM
Bump still trying to find this hard to find brake booster

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Cardone-Reman-Brake-Power-Booster/1995-Nissan-Datsun-240SX/_/N-j1my5Z8kn7z?itemIdentifier=594627_131640_7889_3498 %2C32453

There you go, have fun!

s13mikesr20
04-22-2013, 06:45 PM
Cardone Reman/Brake Power Booster (53-4680) | 1995 Nissan/Datsun 240SX 4 Cylinders A 2.4L SFI DOHC | AutoZone.com (http://www.autozone.com/autozone/parts/Cardone-Reman-Brake-Power-Booster/1995-Nissan-Datsun-240SX/_/N-j1my5Z8kn7z?itemIdentifier=594627_131640_7889_3498 %2C32453)

There you go, have fun!

already went to the chase bay master cylinder
thank you though for your time its a rare thing to find in zilvia :s101:

s13mikesr20
04-22-2013, 06:47 PM
already went to the chase bay master cylinder
thank you though for your time its a rare thing to find in zilvia :s101:

and s14 doesnt even fit with my d/p setup it would have to be smaller in size and slimmer

Drift_FX
04-22-2013, 07:17 PM
buy this
http://image.popularhotrodding.com/f/tech/pedals/34566927/wilwood-pedals.jpg (http://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&docid=bjhJP0qvbhwCtM&tbnid=yNSiGFjBVlxlUM:&ved=0CAUQjRw&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.popularhotrodding.com%2F668 6968%2Ftech%2Fpedals%2F&ei=ruB1UdaQBOXN2wXBq4CgAg&bvm=bv.45512109,d.b2I&psig=AFQjCNEB8Qgr_XH8yHNS1oQdOAywkJJ6Cw&ust=1366766117392198)

weld the hole in the firewall shut, and bam..... no more heat or clearance issues....

(i am currently installing this on my car for this very reason)

s13mikesr20
04-22-2013, 07:27 PM
baller parts

ZacKisBacK_Fr
04-23-2013, 03:28 AM
I could be interested in this item from Wilwood for my set-up, could you give us a link to find the same?

Memberofthe600hpkaclub
04-23-2013, 03:41 AM
Look in summit and its not even thhhaaattt pricey comparative to what I've seen people pay for coil overs on a 1200 dollar car lol

ZacKisBacK_Fr
04-23-2013, 03:44 AM
Yeah, I saw a full Tilton set up for 400$, so I'll consider this option rather than the Chase bays stuff!

Drift_FX
04-23-2013, 05:01 AM
Yeah, I saw a full Tilton set up for 400$, so I'll consider this option rather than the Chase bays stuff!

this option is better than the chase bays setup because it can give you a customized pedal feel based off how you like it, and choose to set it up....

im using the reverse mount master cylinders like this one..
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/wil-340-11299

ZacKisBacK_Fr
04-23-2013, 05:12 AM
I have the 3 pedal Tilton in fact, but I'm still debating on the mc Ø and if I mount it or just a double mc brake pedal.... or a new auto booster and a BM57...

boyou2
04-23-2013, 06:47 AM
please tell me that you DID clock the core, and that seeing it upside down is just an illusion. Because if it is not, that thing is not going to last ...

Actually, I'd more worry about angle of brake lines out of the BMC :/

Ikera
04-24-2013, 01:39 PM
Actually, I'd more worry about angle of brake lines out of the BMC :/

no argument there, I've done a shitty job at bending brake lines, that's why I'm trying to switch back to stock or try again at bending lines or get SS flex lines with banjo bots.

but it's just to show that it is possible to do and there is enough clearance (after hammering in 1" dent into the strut tower)

here are mo pic for anybody interested to see

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w3/Ikera-/240sx/IMG01433-20121010-2046.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w3/Ikera-/240sx/IMG01446-20121014-2336.jpg

http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w3/Ikera-/240sx/IMG01448-20121014-2337.jpg

S.Milone
04-23-2014, 10:29 PM
If the bolts were short what how did you tighten the booster in place?