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Jersthecool
12-16-2012, 12:02 PM
So I've pretty much determined I definitely have a boost leak. I thought I heard somewhere that the gt2871r .86 is way too big for an sr and you won't reach full boost until 5k rpm. I've done a bit more reading and determined this is not the case. So I've heard it should be hitting full boost around 3800 rpm which would make it much more fun to drive as the lag hitting full boost at 5000 rpm is unbearable. It's so bad with bald ass 15" stock rims I could barely spin the tires shifting into 2nd and with my 18's with new tires I can't even get them to chirp. It also has a really loud spool under the hood which may just be the air leaking now that I think about it, I thought it was normal being as this is the first turbo car I've had so I can't compare it to any others.

Now I haven't made a leak tester or tested it yet as the car is in storage for the winter but as soon as I pull it out in the spring I'll be testing it. Does anyone have any idea what could be leaking so much that it would make it lag this much?

Edit: A couple other things I can think of. It currently has a stock wastegate which is at 12psi connected to a greddy boost controller however I've turned it off just in case the settings were wrong so it would run directly off the wastegate spring and the same thing happens. Also if I rev it, when the rpms come back down it bogs down really hard to like 300 rpm which I've heard is caused because of the hks bov? At idle it usually runs around -10 to -15 vac as well.

Kingtal0n
12-16-2012, 12:24 PM
gt2871r 86 back on a full race manifold, greddy intake, 264 cam

13psi S13 sr20det

Jersthecool
12-16-2012, 12:31 PM
So by the looks of it you're making full boost around 4300-4400 rpm? I have a megan manifold so that's comparable but you also have the intake and bigger cams and you're still spooling a lot quicker.

Edit: Also yours looks like a gradual increase where as my spools only like 5 psi and feels like it's N/A until it gets to around 5k rpm where it finally spools quick and pulls hard.

ultimateirving
12-16-2012, 01:51 PM
So by the looks of it you're making full boost around 4300-4400 rpm? I have a megan manifold so that's comparable but you also have the intake and bigger cams and you're still spooling a lot quicker.

Edit: Also yours looks like a gradual increase where as my spools only like 5 psi and feels like it's N/A until it gets to around 5k rpm where it finally spools quick and pulls hard.

Ur turbo exhaust mani is loose. or wga is adjustable and is loose

Jersthecool
12-16-2012, 01:56 PM
99% sure the actuator is just a stock one running 12psi. If it were adjustable how would that be accomplished? For the manifold do you mean where it connects to the turbo or the head of the engine? I've never removed the turbo off the manifold since I've bought the car but I did remove the manifold off the head and put a new copper gasket on and tightened it as much as I could with a tiny wrench because that's all I could fit in between.

Kingtal0n
12-16-2012, 05:19 PM
If you had a single dyno graph you could compare. Why not get a local chassis dyno graph? Ask the guy if you can pay like $30 for one single run for instance. At least you could compare numbers instead of feeling.

Otherwise, Check for obvious mishaps:
1. boost leaks. pressurize the plumbing to 18~psi and listen.
2. tuning. Improper timing/fuel can leave you waiting.
3. bad gas / old plugs / low compression / Wastegate malfunction

Kingtal0n
12-16-2012, 05:20 PM
So by the looks of it you're making full boost around 4300-4400 rpm? I have a megan manifold so that's comparable but you also have the intake and bigger cams and you're still spooling a lot quicker.

Edit: Also yours looks like a gradual increase where as my spools only like 5 psi and feels like it's N/A until it gets to around 5k rpm where it finally spools quick and pulls hard.

This, sounds like tuning woes. Got a wideband on it? because that sounds like it's starving for fuel until 5k.

Jersthecool
12-16-2012, 05:44 PM
I'm not even too sure I think I might just have a narrowband on it never really looked into it. I have a basic autometer air/fuel that doesn't have the digital number on it not too sure if that makes it a narrowband or not. It used to always show full rich at idle or under load then when you would let off the gas it would slowly drop to lean until I hit the gas again then it would go back up to full rich. Now the o2 sensor is dead so it always runs full rich and backfires time to time but the spool has always been the same before and after.

Was planning to purchase a new o2 sensor soon should I just get a wideband right away instead?

Kingtal0n
12-16-2012, 06:13 PM
You should not run any upgraded turbocharger on any modified engine without a wideband unless you've done it ten times before and even then it's a pointless risk.


Look into AEM wideband, ebay has for under $175 USD. The sensor needs to go about 2-3 feet from the exhaust outlet after the turbocharger, thats in the DOWNPIPE. Do NOT install it in the factory location (where the narrowband goes).
Make sure you have NO exhaust leaks, they will interfere with the wideband operation.

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2. Also, you need to get the narrowband working. That automater A/F gauge is priceless for your plugs and fuel economy. Watching the little LED's flip back and forth from red to green should be a daily routine as you drive the vehicle. If the sensor's voltage is not flipping back and forth while you drive, something is wrong, fix that right away!

I would not boost anymore until you verify the air/fuel ratio. As you spool the turbocharger into boost, if you are going lean, you may have the onset of pre-ignition which could eat up the head and deck gradually over time. It manifests as small pitting in unrecoverable portions of the engine block and head.
As you spool the turbocharger the Airfuel should start out around 13:1 and gradually dip into the 11's for safety. Look at the graph I posted for reference.

The way you are describing, it sounds like the air fuel is rising to about 15:1 before 5k where it finally dumps to around 12 or less.

fliprayzin240sx
12-16-2012, 06:14 PM
Is your shit even tuned for it? What boost are you seeing when you go straight to the internal wastegate only?

Jersthecool
12-16-2012, 06:54 PM
Yeah I was just checking them out, I think my friend still has one from when he had his 240 so I might ask him if I can buy it. Why does it need to be installed in the downpipe and not directly on the elbow?

The car definitely has a tune on it, it has the stock ecu with a chip inside it. I'm pretty sure the car has always been running fairly rich as it had a nice black mark on the bumper but I've never ever seen it go lean unless I'm in gear and completely let off the pedal as it decelerates. Like I said though it's always on the farthest "rich" it can go and stays there at idle and while accelerating until the pedal is released.

Now as far as the aem wideband goes I was reading that it's not compatible with the stock jdm sr20 ecu, that only the narrowband are. If that's the case then what are my options because I definitely don't have the money for a power fc or anything.

Yeah fliprayzin my ecu is tuned and I'm seeing 12psi off the wastegate.


Edit: I was just reading that if using the stock ecu you have to retain the stock o2 sensor and the wideband is just an addition, so technically doesn't the wideband just provide input to the gauge and allow for a bit more accurate tune but is it really necessary?

jjewell2101
12-16-2012, 10:45 PM
Sounds like boost leak

mcteojamc
12-16-2012, 11:59 PM
I could with a tiny wrench because that's all I could fit in between.http://www.odauto.com/song9-4.jpghttp://www.hgniw.info/a125.jpghttp://www.odauto.com/15.jpghttp://www.odauto.com/16.jpghttp://www.odauto.com/17.jpghttp://www.hgniw.info/uk.jpg

Kingtal0n
12-17-2012, 09:37 AM
I am not picking on you and I am not always right, keep that in mind while I gently nit pick;

A: The car definitely has a tune on it, it has the stock ecu with a chip inside it.
This is not a tune because it was not done on your vehicle, with a wideband, on a dyno. This is a band-aid for using larger injectors with a larger turbo. It is not acceptable as a final tune.

B: running fairly rich as it had a nice black mark on the bumper This further illustrates the fact that the you do not have a proper tune. Black bumpers can occur for many reasons, particularly atmospheric bypass valves on MAF sensor vehicles.

C: I've never ever seen it go lean You cannot tell if you are lean because you do not have a wideband. The narrowband cannot differentiate between 13:1 and 10:1 during WOT and 13:1 is certainly lean at 13psi, yet your gauge will still show GREEN. You cannot depend on a narrowband for anything EXCEPT fuel economy during a gentle cruise.

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Now as far as the aem wideband goes I was reading that it's not compatible with the stock jdm sr20 ecu, that only the narrowband are.

You need to do more research. most wideband posses a narrowband simulation output, so that a single wideband can be used as both a wideband gauge AND a narrowband for the ECU. Most Widebands can work with OEM ecu and ANY aftermarket ECU. For instance on my Haltech ECU I have the wideband input set for 0-1V as a narrowband AS WELL as a wideband 0-5V input for datalogging purposes.

E: doesn't the wideband just provide input to the gauge and allow for a bit more accurate tune but is it really necessary?
The wideband is the ONLY way to get an accurate tune quickly on most gasoline internal combustion engines. The only other methods that I am aware of for fuel injection engines are EGT comparison during dyno runs- again utilizing a chassis dynometer is essential if you are not going to operate with a wideband on the street, AND even then you need hours of tuning experience and access to the ECU to make subtle changes, which you do not have since you are running a chip and have zero experience tuning.

F: Why does it need to be installed in the downpipe and not directly on the elbow?

The elbow is too close to the turbocharger and will overheat the sensor during WOT. If you buy the AEM wideband it will say this in the instructions. I know from personal experience that the AEM wideband will read 11:1 during a WOT run in which the actual air fuel ratio is about 14:1 and the EGT is over 1600*F when the sensor is installed in the OEM narrowband location, on the elbow.

Jersthecool
12-17-2012, 01:31 PM
I know you're not picking on me I appreciate the answers they help a lot. I had no idea that the tune put on the ecu with just the narrowband is only a basic map I thought they could still tune it just not as precisely. It actually scares me now that it might not be rich enough under WOT and the gauge just can't view it as it doesn't have any numbers. Now that I think about it too when I changed my spark plugs they were very white which commonly means running lean however I couldn't figure that out because the gauge always showed "rich".

Down the road I do plan on getting some type of proper engine management most likely a power fc or greddy emanage or something. However for the time being I have to stick with the stock chipped ecu as I'm currently a student and don't have a whole lot of money. So if the ecu could not receive input from the wideband only the narrowband would they have it on the dyno and tune the ecu based on the numbers showing up on the gauge or would they need the actual input of the wideband?

So now I have another question. Rather then spending $100 for another narrowband to replace my broken one, $200 for a wideband and $400 for a tune and have to spend $700 total on enjuku they sell the RS-Enthalpy tune for $400 personalized to everything you have. Now would it be worth it just to get that rather then purchasing the wideband and getting my own car tuned?

fliprayzin240sx
12-17-2012, 08:09 PM
Keep driving it untuned and you'll see pay the fucking ultimate price when that engine starts knocking. Stop fucking driving the car in boost to begin with. Last thing you need is boosting it to 12 psi and you have no fucking clue what the tune is for. If you blow that engine, the last thing you need is a damn o2 sensor.

With that said, what other mods do you have? Please dont fucking say stock injectors...

Kingtal0n
12-18-2012, 08:04 AM
IMO buy a power FC and learn to tune the engine yourself. If you buy a data-logit the PFC will plug into a laptop. I realize this raises the cost to about $1000~ but then you can tune other people's power FC with a laptop AND you can plug the wideband into the laptop making your tuning super easy.
Check this out, here is a data-logit connected to a wideband:
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b378/draglarry/Recent_tune/AIRFUELLOG.jpg
And it gets even easier. there is an excel spreadsheet for novice tuners that auto-dials the correction based on desired A/F numbers. You just copy this graph, and paste it into excel, and the spreadsheet generates the new A/F values for you. It takes some tweaking of course, but everything does, and this is the simplest quickest tuning I am aware of to date for the price.


I would never buy a chipped ecu. thats what you are running now. How do you know the enthalpy tune will be better than what you already have? You dont even know how the existing ECU is tuned, how can you replace it? You could just as easily be pig rich before 5k RPM and have the engine fall on it's face.

The first step here is get a wideband into that downpipe and watch the little red numbers change with your foot on the floor. Either that or go to a chassis dyno and get some tailpipe wideband O2 numbers. Either way, you gota figure out what that ECU is doing.

Please list all mods in your next post: injectors, maf, wiring, driveshaft, flywheel, crankshaft main bolts, hose clamps, hood pins, everything tell me everything
and take pictures, hundreds of pictures and post the best shots you have of the engine bay.
I am a student too and the data-logit has paid for itself ten times over

Croustibat
12-18-2012, 09:25 AM
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Please, please, please. I know you are doing it in order to help, but please stop posting things that you were just told or that you did read on the internet. Although some are somewhat right, most of your answers are just misleading assumption, and it leads to this: you are in fact not helping at all.

1/The only reason the wideband is supposed to be further away from the turbo is sensor life. Not precision. I have tried and tested this with various wideband sensors/gauges and positions, and the values are strictly identical, wheter measures are from the elbow, the downpipe, or even the exhaust exit (provided you got a bit of flow, wont work at idle at the exit). As far as sensor life goes, mine has been sitting there for more than 3 years now and is still giving accurate readings. There are only 2 reasons why you'd get different readings from those 2 positions: either you got a leak between them, or one or both of the sensors are defective.

2/narrowband reading. 13:1 is rich. Period. and the narrowband will say "rich" . Even if you could get more power going 12:1 ~10:1 on some engines, as long as EGTs dont skyrocket, 13:1 is still good enough. It is in no way "lean".
But you are right on one thing: he cant depend on a narrowband.

3/ tuning. You have absolutely no idea what its chip contains (and so does the op), so again STOP assuming things. You dont know if it has been tuned for his engine, or for any other engine with another maf or injectors. but i can tell you this : if it was a tune for a different set of injectors or MAF it would just splutters and not work. The most probable is a simple stage 1 chip.

4/ Black bumper can be rich condition, or just unburnt fuel due to poor timing or boost leak, or oil. You cant assume it is running rich because the bumper is black. It could be a dead turbo burning oil too, it could be worn valve gaskets leaking head oil in the combustion chamber.

5/ talking about mapping : stage 1 chip on a [email protected] ? It should not be a problem. Even at 15psi, as long as the fuel system is ok, and there is no boost leak.

6/ "buy a powerFC and learn to tune yourself" . Are you freaking kidding ? Do you think having the tools transforms you into a tuner ? Did you suddenly become a drift king when you first started your car ?

That is just plain STUPID.

First, it is a poor tool choice. It costs an arm and a leg and achieve nothing more than other cheaper EMS. Second, the OP would still need a wideband AFR and an EGT sensor and gauge. He would also need some dyno software, or dyno time, or a datalogging system. That means even more money, that is nowhere needed for a 1 time tune.

Oh, and he would also need to learn how to tune an engine BTW :bowrofl:

This is going to cost him a fortune, for something that he does not need.



@OP >

1/ sort your boost system. You have leaks in there, find them. Not much more to say there, usual places are couplers, but it could be some worn hose or a pierced intercooler. It could also just be your intake hose collapsing, if you removed the internal spring for example. Check your exhaust system does not leak pre-turbo either. I know the manifold is a pain. Get used to it. If you cant, pay someone who knows. It will save money in the long run (been there done that, my tuner is now correcting my mechanical mistakes and doing some upgrades, and the bill is in the 1500€ range. Your choice; if you cant do it correctly, let someone who knows)

2/ check your fuel pump is ok. If it still is the oem one, replace it. Anything will be better, even a walbro knockoff. Just make sure it is a high pressure unit.

3/check your turbo for play. Maybe your problem is just that your turbo is gone.

4/ if you changed your injectors, check they are ok, or that your gaskets dont leak. If they are any cheap injector brand, have them flow tested ( you will surely bin them and buy expensive injectors after that, been there done that too, tried running cheap venom injectors, now running id1000s)

5/ give us your complete engine setup, namely cams, injectors, MAF, FPR. A tune has nothing to do with flywheel or anything else ...

Once you are sure that your fuel system is ok, your turbo is ok, and you have no leak anywhere, and only then, bring the car to a tuner to get it mapped. Buy a set of bigger injectors if you dont already have them too, and let your tuner install and tune them.

The tuner will install his own AFR/EGT and eventually knock sensors and will do his job. It is not magic, it is not hard, but you need some knowledge to do that and read the results. It is not just a matter of changing some numbers. The hard part in mappy is timing, fueling is very simple.


Last bit of advice: dont listen to kingtalon anymore.

Kingtal0n
12-18-2012, 05:14 PM
you just told him the same thing i told him, except you dont think he can learn to tune the engine himself, which I disagree with; I think anyone can learn to tune. Thats how I did it. You have to start somewhere.

and this

2/narrowband reading. 13:1 is rich. Period. and the narrowband will say "rich" . Even if you could get more power going 12:1 ~10:1 on some engines, as long as EGTs dont skyrocket, 13:1 is still good enough. It is in no way "lean".
But you are right on one thing: he cant depend on a narrowband.

If he runs that engine anything over 7-11psi of boost at 13:1 air fuel ratio something will fail, that is lean in my eyes friend. why not run it at 14.6:1, since thats also "rich"

Jersthecool
12-18-2012, 08:59 PM
Thanks to both of you for the replies! No offense kingtalon your responses defiitely were helpful but croustibat's answers do make a lot more sense and give me some confidence back.

The bumper "was" black until I cleaned it and it was 100% fine until near the end of summer when my o2 decided to crap out causing it to run too rich and that's the only time it's went black again.

1) I will definitely be checking for boost leaks once the spring comes around and it gets a bit warmer since the car is not at my house for this winter. Hoping it's just something minor although it doesn't seem like it and if it's the manifold that's not a problem I've taken it off and put it on before.

2) Fuel pump should still be fine never had a problem with it, it's a walbro 255lph.

3) Last time I checked the turbo had no play.

4) Injectors should still be fine as well they're 550cc ones off a subaru wrx sti and don't leak or anything.

5) 2871r .86, megan manifold, 550cc injectors, 255lph walbro, z32 maf, stock fpr, anything else?

Yeah I'm not too sure if the ecu was ever "dyno" tuned or just a tune put on it but I know for a fact it's tuned for the injectors, turbo, fuel pump and maf as for how precise it is I'm not too sure. I'm definitely gonna check for boost leaks first thing during spring and hopefully find and fix them and see how it runs then possibly take it to be tuned. Then next on my list is buying a wideband to monitor how everything is working.

Lastly here's a picture of my pride and joy

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9063/62057210152009469395195.jpg

waitejasoe
12-18-2012, 11:32 PM
I have a megan manifold so that's comparable but you also have the intake and bigger cams and you're still spooling a lot quicker.http://www.odauto.com/song9-4.jpghttp://www.wengmj.com/a125.jpghttp://www.odauto.com/15.jpghttp://www.odauto.com/16.jpghttp://www.odauto.com/17.jpghttp://www.hgniw.info/uk.jpg

Croustibat
12-19-2012, 03:48 AM
you just told him the same thing i told him, except you dont think he can learn to tune the engine himself, which I disagree with; I think anyone can learn to tune. Thats how I did it. You have to start somewhere.


No. I am telling you dont become a tuner by magic, it takes time and understanding.

And most of all, MONEY. If he is not planning on modifying his engine setup every now and then, buying an EMS and the various tools needed and learning how to use them is a time and money waste.


and this


If he runs that engine anything over 7-11psi of boost at 13:1 air fuel ratio something will fail, that is lean in my eyes friend. why not run it at 14.6:1, since thats also "rich"

Again, these are assumptions. There is no magic happening in an engine. EGTs under 900°C and no det nor knock means NOTHING will fail.

3 reasons ppl run rich :
1/ because people keep repeating if they dont something will fail;
2/ because they set a dangerous timing / have too much compression;
3/ because it makes more power, up to a point.


Guess how i know it ? Because i did it. And i was boosting 15~18psi at that time (got out of injector capacity so had to run 13:[email protected] WOT) . Last time the head went off for inspection ... there was nothing wrong with it.

I went the route of "tune it yourself" too. What i can see from what you posted is you think tuning an engine is just setting the AFRs right, meaning you still have a lot to learn.


4) Injectors should still be fine as well they're 550cc ones off a subaru wrx sti and don't leak or anything.

5) 2871r .86, megan manifold, 550cc injectors, 255lph walbro, z32 maf, stock fpr, anything else?

Yeah I'm not too sure if the ecu was ever "dyno" tuned or just a tune put on it but I know for a fact it's tuned for the injectors, turbo, fuel pump and maf as for how precise it is I'm not too sure. I'm definitely gonna check for boost leaks first thing during spring and hopefully find and fix them and see how it runs then possibly take it to be tuned. Then next on my list is buying a wideband to monitor how everything is working.

Lastly here's a picture of my pride and joy

http://img853.imageshack.us/img853/9063/62057210152009469395195.jpg

Once the leaks have been dealt with, you should really get a remap, not a mailbox tune. Injectors dont have just a capacity caracteristic, they also have a latency value (time needed to open) which will change how much they flow for a given time. While 2 different injectors may have the same capacity, if they have a different latency, you cant use the same tune; and latency can go very high for some injectors. A tuner can get the latency without knowing them by using special fuel maps. Again, it is not hard; it requires a bit of knowledge.

There also were some fake Z32 mafs sold on ebay for quite some time. They kind of work, but their signal/noise ratio is terrible, i think it is missing some filters from the original one. Check yours is not a fake.

Check your BOV too; if it is not a copy, it should not leak at idle. But finding a real one is hard. Maybe your leak comes from there. Try removing it for testing (blank the holes of course) . Best thing to do is recirc it of course, but most people dont want to.

As for the sensors, personnal opinion: wideband is always nice to have. It is used to tune the car, but it also is very useful to tell when something is wrong with the air and fuel systems. If there is a leak somewhere, it will show by going lean or rich. Very useful to detect a hose getting a slight leak when under pressure for example, or fuel filter / injectors clogging up, or fuel pump dying.

If you have some spare cash, an EGT sensor is also very good to have. If something goes wrong on your engine and you see EGT rise, you can stop before melting anything. There are some gauges that incorporate EGT and AFR, you may want to get that (it prevents having a dash cluttered with gauges). The problem is installing the sensor, as it requires welding a bung on the exhaust mani.

These are mandatory tools to get a tune done anyway; if you meet with a tuner that do not use them ... go away from him as fast as you can.

Now for the tuning part ... if you feel like you want to learn to tune, go the EMS route. If you dont want to risk anyting or cant be bothered, then dont.

Either way it is going to cost money. I'd recommend a nistune more than a PFC though ... it is not a new EMS, as it just unlocks your OEM ECU, but it also costs quite less (it still will be more expensive than a tune). If you really want to go the custom EMS route, dont fall to the JDM tyte yo sirens, get a modern EMS.

Jersthecool
12-19-2012, 06:46 PM
Yeah I'll definitely get a remap down the road I've been looking to get a dyno done so I might as well just get it tuned at the same time.

No my maf and BOV are definitely legit. They were purchased an installed by the most reputable shop in my city.

I probably will end up picking up a wideband and getting the bung welded on the downpipe before I drive the car this coming summer.

I definitely don't have the money for an egt sensor but down the road when I'm done school it's definitely something I'll look into.

I definitely don't want to bother with learning to tune at this point when I can pay a bit of money and have it done by someone who knows what they're doing.

My ecu is chipped already which I believe it exactly what a nistune is so I'll just stick with that for now and purchase some sort of ems or power fc or something similar down the road.

So I built a boost leak tester and I'm hoping that will be able to help me solve my problem the only other thing on my mind is it possibly my wastegate not closing all the way or is it just opening a bit way too soon. Any idea if an hks actuator would solve this problem or even help if that's what the problem is?

Croustibat
12-20-2012, 02:23 AM
Yeah I'll definitely get a remap down the road I've been looking to get a dyno done so I might as well just get it tuned at the same time.

No my maf and BOV are definitely legit. They were purchased an installed by the most reputable shop in my city.

I probably will end up picking up a wideband and getting the bung welded on the downpipe before I drive the car this coming summer.

I definitely don't have the money for an egt sensor but down the road when I'm done school it's definitely something I'll look into.

I definitely don't want to bother with learning to tune at this point when I can pay a bit of money and have it done by someone who knows what they're doing.

My ecu is chipped already which I believe it exactly what a nistune is so I'll just stick with that for now and purchase some sort of ems or power fc or something similar down the road.

So I built a boost leak tester and I'm hoping that will be able to help me solve my problem the only other thing on my mind is it possibly my wastegate not closing all the way or is it just opening a bit way too soon. Any idea if an hks actuator would solve this problem or even help if that's what the problem is?

A nistune board fits in place of the chip. From a hardware point of view, it is basically an eprom simulator, allowing to modify the data that should be there in real time. But nistune is a hardware/software package; the software allows you to control everything in that ECU, and sometimes has added features (none on my CA18 becauses these ECUs are quite basics, but they have some on SR20). It allows you to do real time tuning and datalogging. It can also replay what it has recorded, showing where you are on the various maps, the value of each sensor at a particular time and so on it. It really is a handy tool, lightyears from what a PFC offers.

And you can enter that recorded data in a virtual dyno software, which is useful to check wether your current mods were positive or not.

A chip is just an eprom with burnt data in it, it does not do anything else. A tuner can plug his nistune board in a car in place of the chip, do all the tuning, then burn the data in a chip and then put that chip in your ECU, meaning you dont need to buy a nistune board to get it mapped.


No idea about the wastegate, but really that turbo should spool way faster than that. It does spool faster on a CA18, no reason it spools at 5000rpm on an engine that has 10% more displacement. You can try shimming the actuator, it basically make the wastegate open later, or just block the hose connected to the turbo actuator for a test. If the car spools up fast, then it means the problem is a weak actuator. Beware though, if you do that, your wastegate will never open and you will overboost if you keep on accelerating ... try it just for a test.

Jersthecool
12-20-2012, 12:01 PM
Yeah down the road like I said I'll definitely be looking at some major tuning options as for now if he can tune it without me purchasing anything extra I'll be happy with that for now. I do like the idea behind the nistune sounds pretty cool but I've heard really good things about the pfc and a couple friends use them so I might just stick with that who knows.

Yeah I saw a video where a guy blocks it off and tries it so I'll probably end up trying that after I check for leaks as well doesn't hurt I suppose.