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Ok so I went out tonight for some fun in my 240. I saw a corner with a big intersection so I thought it would be fun to do a big ole powerslide. I slow down a bit, put it in second, floor it and take the turn...I start sliding and I turn into it but it gripped a LOT harder than I was expecting and did a 180 in the opposite direction and sent me backwards towards a curb EEK! I stopped with just a couple feet left. I made sure there weren't any other cars around BTW. Anyway how do all you drifters out there keep it on the road if you can't feel when the car is going to grip and flip you around? It was a lot of fun <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> but I don't want to wreck my nice new car so any tips?
BlueSix
10-03-2001, 10:48 PM
I don't drift since I'm not willing to risk killing my car or someone else to do something flashy (imo).. It would also be really hard since I have hicas and lsd, and just a intake, ecu, and exhaust & cat... hard to break the tires loose except when launching...
But, theoretically I would assume that you need to use **very** careful throttle modulation and countersteer enough to keep from spinning out, but not enough to straighten the car out...
Anyone else?
dsc,
i like your car. becareful with it. drifting is so difficult, it's not even funny. if you have curvy roads in your area, like mountain roads, i'd suggest gripping first. most of my friends who drift, start out by learning to grip(driving curvy roads and keeping the tires on the road). i tried to drift before i learned grip, and it got my car into trouble. i broke one of my wheels and the front lip spoiler after 4 months of owning my '95. and i'm still slowly learning. if you're going to drift, be prepared to have damage to your ride. even the best drivers f' up sometimes. just the way it is.
be careful,
-thach
nice website by the way, where you from?
check out my friend's page if you get a chance.
kitoro
10-03-2001, 10:59 PM
has a lot to do w/ effective weight transfer which initiates the drift.
1) to hold drifts normally requires you to continuously power the vehicle while at the same time countersteering it in a proper direction.
-- your problem was you said you shifted into second gear and then floored it INTO the turn... your technique is unorthodox and would result in something like what happened to you and your car.
from what i've heard about real racing, you are supposed to enter a corner slow and exit fast. This is equivalently true of drifting. Enter slow, exit fast.
I think it wasn't the shifting into second which knocked it off, but it was the flooring of the wheels. too much torque gripping the road too early
2) there are other ways to keep a stable drift.. ie., heel-toe downshifting to maintain ur revs and speed, gives the drift consistency as you're shifting down to get more grip...
balancing the car is also a must, unless you're a professional racer who can adjust ur car naturally through rapidly transferring the weight to keep it stable in a drift...
3) most drifters have crazy drifting setups in the car which kill the streetability of the vehicle (apparently). They have crazy negative camber in the rear wheels, crazy suspension to keep the car from having excessive body roll as well.... all these factors contribute to how well you keep a drift.
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man i wish i had a car to test all this collected theory.
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LanceS13
10-03-2001, 11:02 PM
The only times I drift it's usually unintentional but kinda just happens second-nature when I'm trying to keep the car close to its breaking point while autox'ing. If I get it too sideways, though, I lose time, so I back it off a bit.
240sxtreme
10-04-2001, 01:36 AM
I did my first empty parking lot run the other weekend...a lot of fun. I think that's the best way to start out. if you spin out, nothing to hit. Shredded my front tires badly...gotta buy new ones before doing it again <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
ca18guy
10-04-2001, 05:19 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from DSC on 10:38 pm on Oct. 3, 2001
Anyway how do all you drifters out there keep it on the road if you can't feel when the car is going to grip and flip you around? </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Two words 1. Practice 2. Skill
S13Grl
10-04-2001, 06:36 AM
Yeah, seriously. If you do it enough times, you find that you're getting better and better at it.
BlueSix: "It would also be really hard since I have hicas and lsd, and just a intake, ecu, and exhaust & cat... hard to break the tires loose except when launching... " Mine is bone stock and has lsd, I broke the tires loose ok.
spin: "nice website by the way, where you from?" Thx, it took me about an hour <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> and if you were wondering, Yes I did color on my cars rock guard in one of the pics, hehe i'm just too lazy to go back and fix it. I'm from Chesapeake, Virginia, USA.
kitoro: "from what i've heard about real racing, you are supposed to enter a corner slow and exit fast." I knew I had something wrong...I entered slow and exited backwards <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
So pretty much I just have to keep doing it till I get it right? No, do this and you will be able to drift like the best? oh well, i'll just take it slower and maybe stick to places without curbs till I figure out what I'm doing. Thanks for the replys...
BlueSix
10-04-2001, 09:45 PM
BlueSix: "It would also be really hard since I have hicas and lsd, and just a intake, ecu, and exhaust & cat... hard to break the tires loose except when launching... "
"Mine is bone stock and has lsd, I broke the tires loose ok. "
Yeah I have a feeling that I have a kinda weak clutch, and I also have a huge box with a 15" sub in the back... I can break the rear end loose on a turn, just not in a straight line... That's why I am gonna get an SR or a Turbo KA one day.... one day.....
DSC,, u work at p&g?.. that building looks awefully familiar.. and btw, i have done almost hte same crap to my rock guard thingy not realizing my car sat as low as it did.. U get used to driving an SUV and a 4 door car and u dont' realize when u roll right up parking curbs etc.
tanabs
10-05-2001, 03:12 AM
What? LSD should make your car a LOT easier to drift. Imagine drifting with just one wheel spinning. That is what is going to be like without LSD. Much more difficult to control.
Naw, I work at American Business Systems. There is more than one company in that building though. You in Virginia? Oh, good point tanabs, I didn't think of that.
IceTekGuy
10-08-2001, 11:05 AM
Drifting is for SISSY'S!!!!
no, just kidding....
hey buddy what you should try is , when this winter comes along(if you get snow where your from)get a beater mobile, and just in an empty parking lot, dont go too fast but give it a lil tapsy on the pedal and then yank the wheel to the side, and try to keep the car in a straight line, then let off the wheel a lil and the car will start to turn lightly then try to keep it in that turn... its alot of fun, just do it in a place without poles(prefferably)
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transient
10-08-2001, 11:18 AM
I drove a truck for a while, in a very bad winter no less, so I've got the feeling down pretty well as to when the rear is coming loose, and I learned to coutersteer pretty well. I'm not saying I'm great or anything, but I can hold a small drift.
Does it ever happen that when you area let's say draggin really fast in a wet parking lot, Does your rear end slip out too??? Just wondering cause if happens to me allt eh time. Oand blue six what type of system you got. I also like your head unit witht eh waves . Looks nice.
EVOtekS14bDIFter
10-14-2001, 11:33 PM
The only drifting I'm getting is when I leave the windows open at night.........nevermind, that's a draft, but if you really want to start drifting, you'll need to tune your suspension, especially at the back. I don't do it now because I like my tires and can't afford to buy new ones every month. I can't fit all the info in here so visit the following site. You'll learn a lot about drifting from these guys:
http://velocity.isfaster.com
dude, heel toe technique. practice that shit. when you go into a turn lightly press on your brake with your heel to cause your rear end to fish tail then you accellerate with your toes. thus the name HEEL-TOE technique.
tanabs
10-15-2001, 02:50 AM
It is just the opposite. Press the brake with you toes and use your heel to accelerate.
transient
10-15-2001, 09:41 AM
Depends on the driver. Personally, i can't even fit my foot sideways under there, so i've got to do the side-roll technique. I'm still workin on that one <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
drifterx
10-15-2001, 01:02 PM
go to a parking lot with no pole and practice there....
mrace240sx
10-15-2001, 04:41 PM
Ive tried it a few times in wet parking lots, scaring the crap out of my passengers hehe. The last time I did it I didnt see the second puddle and lost it completely and almost went skidding right into a curb, it would have been very messy.
Like drifter said, no pole and watch for curbs too. That second puddle is a beeyotch!
vancouvers14
10-15-2001, 05:28 PM
heel-toe works if you have small feet. otherwise, its leftside-rightside
my240likenoother
10-15-2001, 07:14 PM
the way i do it is i got to a parking lot when its raining you can do it at a lower speed and learn they way it feals i have not done it on dry road i like haveing tiers that will go the mileage they r expected
(Edited by my240likenoother at 10:19 pm on Oct. 15, 2001)
konkman
10-15-2001, 07:29 PM
I think I'll leave the drifting to you guy's still living in highschool. I don't know, I think having a tightly tuned suspension and rolling through a tight corner going 60 without squeeking the tires is much more impressive then a slack jaw punk uncontrolably ripping his car through a corner.
Save the money you'll waste on new tires, and do your suspension. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
drifterx
10-15-2001, 08:19 PM
are you calling me a high school punk?
sorry i dont drive recklessly and i am not stupid... but i do enjoy drifting... i have a nice suspension (that is what i would advise if you wanna drift) and i only drift when it is saFE and i can keep my car in 100% control...
i keep practicing so i know how to do it, i am not a stupid ass kid
konkman
10-15-2001, 08:23 PM
Hey man, I wasn't saying you are a stupid punk. For effect I stated that I think that drifting will do you more damage then good.
Plus, if you're going to drift your car, that's your business. In my experience the only people I have known who drift theire cars had something to prove.
If you have a good suspension setup why not whale your car through a corning that would through a civic into a barrel roll. That would turn heads.
Make her turn like she was born on rails.
drifterx
10-15-2001, 08:42 PM
right now i corner faster than a civic or accord with hooked up suspensions too... but drifting is even faster in some corners if you know how to do it...
ay konkman, drifting is not just for High school punks. Drifting is bigger than dragging in some areas. In Japan, people are worshipped for their drifting techniques. Shoot, they even made cartoons and movies about drifting.
misnomer
10-16-2001, 01:30 AM
wow, Japanese people are wierd <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
Anywho, big dirt roads are great if you want to practice drifting. It is quite an art, but expect to spend some extra money on the tires you're going to burn.
yeah, and don't expect your car to come out clean afterwards. oh and make sure to keep ur windows shut while doing so. :biggrin:
Chokudori
10-16-2001, 02:14 PM
Drifting is a form of ART. Syncronized (sp?) drifting is just beautiful!
ca18guy
10-16-2001, 02:16 PM
You are thinking WAYYYY to into drifting <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
konkman
10-16-2001, 02:19 PM
gtf,
I'm sorry if you guys take offence to my "opinion." You don't live in Japan, I'm not going to worship anyone, I don't care how well they can drift their ride through a corner. Someone who does an sr swap, or has a tweeked out 240 Like don nimi, they are worth the respect.
But unless your drifting your WRX through a ralley course at 110mph, then don't be looking for any props from me for you "sweet ass drifting." I'll just let your ass burn your tires, kill your suspension and make you beautiful 240 into a cheap attention grabber.
my240likenoother
10-16-2001, 02:24 PM
stay with the good supention and take the courners at the fast speed with out sliping
Chokudori
10-16-2001, 02:37 PM
Don't forget that drifting is only possible if you now how to control your car. Like an extention of your body. Mastering how to drift will help you considerably in road races. Drifting is pretty much knowing how to control your car.
I'd say knowing how to control your car is more important then upgrading your car. (unless if you want to be a mechanic) Anyone could upgrade with money. Driving skill can't be bought.
As a good example, many of the race car drivers in Japan comes from the drifting scene.
I'm not trying to say you're wrong or something konkman and my240. This is just what I think.
konkman
10-16-2001, 02:59 PM
Well 240,
At least I'm not the only person who does believe in a a pure silent (80mph) corner.
Leave the drifting to the Ralley Racers.
LanceS13
10-16-2001, 03:32 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from konkman on 3:59 pm on Oct. 16, 2001
Well 240,
At least I'm not the only person who does believe in a a pure silent (80mph) corner.
Leave the drifting to the Ralley Racers.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
If you're not hearing a little squealing from those tires, you're not pushing them hard enough. Drifting under acceleration is usually slower on road courses b/c all that spinning is propelling you sideways instead of forward. Maybe a little drift through a steady state turn might shave some time by pointing the car more towards the apex, though. But by apex, it's best to have positive traction. This is more trail-braking oversteer than drifting, though.
On the other hand, drifting does take alot of control and alot of knowledge of how your car responds to your inputs. If you can master drifting, racing should probably come pretty easy.
konkman
10-16-2001, 11:02 PM
That's not my point, if you have a dialed in suspension you can take corners much faster without squeeling the tires. Thats it.
Go Fast, Stay Planted! Don't Drift.
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from konkman on 2:19 pm on Oct. 16, 2001
gtf,
I'm sorry if you guys take offence to my "opinion." You don't live in Japan, I'm not going to worship anyone, I don't care how well they can drift their ride through a corner. Someone who does an sr swap, or has a tweeked out 240 Like don nimi, they are worth the respect.
But unless your drifting your WRX through a ralley course at 110mph, then don't be looking for any props from me for you "sweet ass drifting." I'll just let your ass burn your tires, kill your suspension and make you beautiful 240 into a cheap attention grabber.
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i'm not trying to get on your bad side but i'd just like to say a few things...
so people who race cars in the indy 500 shouldn't get respect? is that what you're trying to say?
well personally i really don't give a sht whether people like drifting or not. it's all a matter of opinion. just like how some auto x-ers dislike drag races. i was just trying to say that it's not only for kids in "highschool" like you put it.
o and btw, the WRX can't drift. They're all wheel drive. They can slide, but they can't drift. :biggrin:
LSD gives the rear wheel too much grip and it would be a lot more harder to make the rear wheel slip...it is possible but just takes more to make the rear slip...
i don't recommend drifitng at all to anyone....i got this quote from another website but i forgot:
"...Fast reactions by the driver and a high level of driver skills are necessary-drifting is not a beginners technique..."
But if your #### stankin rich and have a billion of cars go ahead....i know i would...
Drift Style S14
10-17-2001, 02:02 AM
Just thought i would get in the mix...
WRX are no good... there engines rev out way to fast, i would know i my pops has a 2000 2.5RS impreza now i know that there is a diffrence but i don't care both engines rev out way to fast, and benns is right a wrx will never drift because of the AWD system, the car won't let it be done. although i have see EVO 7 do a all wheel drift on a track. so you never know....
Drift Style S14
10-17-2001, 02:04 AM
Never listen to what i say cause i am a very confused person.....
thank you....
tanabs
10-17-2001, 06:06 AM
LSD does make your car harder to drift, but it is a MUCH more controlled drift than an open differential drift. It is MUCH easier to control a two-wheeled drift than a one-wheeled drift. Also, drifting is not for racing, it is for fun. And ####, it is a LOT of fun (on the track, of course).
LanceS13
10-17-2001, 08:32 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Drift Style S14 on 3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>2 am on Oct. 17, 2001
Just thought i would get in the mix...
WRX are no good... there engines rev out way to fast, i would know i my pops has a 2000 2.5RS impreza now i know that there is a diffrence but i don't care both engines rev out way to fast, and benns is right a wrx will never drift because of the AWD system, the car won't let it be done. although i have see EVO 7 do a all wheel drift on a track. so you never know....
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First off, there's no such thing as an "all wheel drift". If all wheels aren't sliding it's just oversteer. And WRX's can most definitely drift. At the autox I went to this past weekend, there was a girl there driving a WRX....great driver, looked good, too.;) But she pulled a beautiful drift through an offset gate and around the firsts cone of the following slolam. Of course, she probably lost a few tenths, but it was a beautiful site regardless.
drifterx
10-17-2001, 09:00 AM
there is such thing as a 4 wheel drift
LanceS13
10-17-2001, 10:07 AM
yeah, but "4 wheel drift" is redundant. I guess I should have said there's no such thing as a 2 wheel drift.
S13Grl
10-17-2001, 10:12 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Drift Style S14 on 3<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>2 am on Oct. 17, 2001
Just thought i would get in the mix...
WRX are no good... there engines rev out way to fast, i would know i my pops has a 2000 2.5RS impreza now i know that there is a diffrence but i don't care both engines rev out way to fast, and benns is right a wrx will never drift because of the AWD system, the car won't let it be done. although i have see EVO 7 do a all wheel drift on a track. so you never know....
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I don't understand the "rev out too fast" part. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>
EVOtekS14bDIFter
10-17-2001, 12:39 PM
CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!!!!!!!!
konkman
10-17-2001, 01:50 PM
I understand the the wrx is awd, I'm not an idiot. But I was refering to the wrx as it is as a ralley car. Funny, they seem to drift through almost ever dirt road corner.
But if you want to talk about the the street drift, yes the wrx would have a #### of a time trying to drift. But because of that they could power through a dry paved corner fast with full traction. As a result with more speed.
S13Grl
10-17-2001, 01:58 PM
WRXs kick ass! Have some love, people...
konkman
10-17-2001, 02:06 PM
Yes the wrx is sweet, but my fav awd candidate is the Audi S4.
A little 2.7L biturbo action sets my pants on fire.
mmmm...AWD. I was considering an AWD eclipse (I think it was the eclipse) before I got my 240 but they were too much $$$, hard to find, and I can't stand the hood.
konkman
10-17-2001, 02:14 PM
Ideally, an awd car would work much better in my area. Vancouver is known as the WET Coast. So the rwd 240 isn't always my best friend.
However a few friends of my have 1.8 A4's, man you can rip those thing through the rain as if he was driving on a freakin race course.
drifterx
10-17-2001, 02:15 PM
i hate driving in the rain with a RWD car...........
i go on off ramps and on ramps at 30mph at most
konkman
10-17-2001, 02:17 PM
Man, I put my car sideways on the freeway going 70mph in the pouring rain. I was luck there were no cars around me. But I was driving straight.
Bald tires+rain+rwd= FUN, FUN, FUN
S13Grl
10-17-2001, 02:19 PM
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Yes the wrx is sweet, but my fav awd candidate is the Audi S4.
A little 2.7L biturbo action sets my pants on fire.
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Amen to that!
ZeroGS14
10-17-2001, 04:39 PM
hmmm I'd say just watch episodes of Initial D...lol that's how I learned =D
<img src="http://members.asianavenue.com/ZeroGravity_S14/frontangle.jpg">
(Edited by ZeroGS14 at 11:57 pm on Oct. 17, 2001)
DohBoy1115
10-17-2001, 06:51 PM
A wrx can in fact drift, in a way, the longest drift (contolled slide) was done in a wrx. I believe it was over 18 hours long. I forgot the exact time but this was DONE i am 100%sure, You can check the book of world records, this was done on a "wet" track by the way, but the wrx is very well driftable.
mike95s14
10-17-2001, 07:02 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from ZeroGS14 on 4:39 pm on Oct. 17, 2001
hmmm I'd say just watch episodes of Initial D...lol that's how I learned =D
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If I watch that again, I'm gonna go drifting crazy in the middle of the night! Come to think of it, I wanna drift right now just by thinking about it.
BTW, nice car. Your link on your profile doesn't work.
ditosx
10-17-2001, 09:27 PM
Not only can an all wheel drive drift, but it is more effective for them. The rear end drifting, the front wheels pulling, just point and shoot.
ZeroGS14
10-17-2001, 11:24 PM
If I watch that again, I'm gonna go drifting crazy in the middle of the night! Come to think of it, I wanna drift right now just by thinking about it.
BTW, nice car. Your link on your profile doesn't work.
Hahaha yeah I know the feeling...anyhows yeah I fixed the link to my homepage in my profile so you can check it out if you like oh and thanks for the compliment on the car =D
240sxtreme
10-18-2001, 12:54 AM
Hey, you guys really need to rent the Option8 video about the trueno's...don't know the title, as it's in Japanese....but all you'll see are trueno's...anyways, the guy teaches you how to drift correctly, how to heel-toe, and what the difference in suspension setups are. The have a camera on the pedals, and on the steering wheel at the same time, and have a little bar graph showing throttle, break usage.
As far as throttling....depends on HP. IN the trueno, he had the throttle between 35-65% while drifting...also, they do use the handbreak while drifting....this is in RWD, not FWD by the way. I think they use the handbreak to slow the rear tires down....of course, it'd help if I could understand what he's saying while he's doing stuff <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
Also-true about the AWD drifting...in fact, wasn't Rally what made drifting a official "type"of cornering? I mean, if you watch rally races...pretty much all they do is drift.
the reason AWD is better then the RWD is because not only can it drift, but it'll come out of the drift faster, cause at the exit, it can use the front wheels to pull..where as we have to angle it right, so the wheels stop slipping, and start gripping(or slip less to be exact). That's why the lan-evo is so #### evil...light and nimble, yet AWD...and a lot of HP to boot!
Launch
12-26-2001, 12:35 AM
Initial D is one of the best animes I have ever seen, but anyway...anyone got any opinions on how an 87'-88' 200sx would be for drifting? I am looking to bye a nissan but am on a budget and was wondering if this would fulfill my wants. Learning to drift is on top of my wants list right now.
Launch
12-26-2001, 12:37 AM
Initial D is one of the best animes I have ever seen, but anyway...anyone got any opinions on how an 87'-88' 200sx would be for drifting? I am looking to bye a nissan but am on a budget and was wondering if this would fulfill my wants. Learning to drift is on top of my wants list right now.
(Edited by Launch at 12:39 am on Dec. 26, 2001)
uuninja
12-26-2001, 09:41 AM
Man I love to see all the "Drifters" that come out of the wood work. Seriously watching Initial D is one thing, thinking that it is reality is another. Drifting is big in Japan, but Initial D is just an Anime. Learning to Drive let alone Drift from an anime is like learning Brain surgery from watching ER.
HippoSleek
12-26-2001, 10:57 AM
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Learning to Drive let alone Drift from an anime is like learning Brain surgery from watching ER.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
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I'm from the school of "learn to grip before you think about drifting" too. There is a lot to be learned about car control and reactions b/f you can "drift." I seriously doubt that many here have mastered that. No disrespect for the members of this board that are into this, but I don't think there are many.
That said, I think I will jump on the "drifting is for highschool kids" bandwagon *steps into flame suit* 1) note that the drifting craze in the US is based on Option 2 videos and a cartoon. 2) note that the history of drifting is based on ego-clowns that wowed their friends by keeping control of their cars after screwing up a perfectly good racing line. 3) in the "motherland," drivers usually go from gripping mountains (develop skill), to drifting (developed control), to circuit racing (use skill and control)... in other words, it is for the younger drivers who have not yet mastered driving and want to impress their friends with this "talent." 4) doing a powerslide in the rain is not drifting and takes VERY little skill to control. 5) LSD and a suspension is a #### good idea if you actually want to drift (see #4) b/c the 240 (and the Silvia too) are set up for minor understeer with a tendency to snap oversteer. 6) AWD cars can drift - but not the in the tail out jackassery way associated w/ the Initial D crowd... the front wheels just pull too hard at some point and the car doesn't pivot around which produces the sensational drifts. 7) The only place drifting MAY be the fastest way around a corner is a sharp hairpin downhill turn... otherwise slow in fast out controls and exit speed trumps entrance speed. 8) heel/toeing into a drift isn't proper technique unless you have adjusted the massive front bias out of your brakes... there's a reason underpowered drifters (86s) use the handbrake and others the clutch. 9) Rally racing is a whole different ball game... tarmac and dirt are not the same surfaces and different skills and set-ups are required for each. 10) It also takes skill to bounce cars with "jumper kits" (hydraulics) b/c of the ability to transfer weight at exact moments... but I somehow doubt people will compare that to racing.
Now the funny thing is... is that I actually like drifting. I think it's fun to watch and I respect the way the people can control a slide for such a long period of time. Its a show and a testiment to car control skills. It is not racing and is not a technique used by racers (if you don't enter events, trust me on this one or take notes from F1 drivers). What IS starting to bother me though, is the thought of a bunch of kids who have yet to learn car control (or maybe yet to own a car) getting out on the roads and doing this shit around me. Take it to a parking lot. Learn control at an autox or high-perf driving event/school, not on the streets. Neither I, nor the other drivers around you want to become part of your drifting experiment.
sorry for the rant... it's just getting old hearing recitations of Initial D and what all the cool kids are doing in Japan. If you are that JDM, perhaps you should relocate... when you graduate high school.
ca18guy
12-26-2001, 11:10 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from HippoSleek on 10:57 am on Dec. 26, 2001
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Learning to Drive let alone Drift from an anime is like learning Brain surgery from watching ER.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
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I'm from the school of "learn to grip before you think about drifting" too. There is a lot to be learned about car control and reactions b/f you can "drift." I seriously doubt that many here have mastered that. No disrespect for the members of this board that are into this, but I don't think there are many.
That said, I think I will jump on the "drifting is for highschool kids" bandwagon *steps into flame suit* 1) note that the drifting craze in the US is based on Option 2 videos and a cartoon. 2) note that the history of drifting is based on ego-clowns that wowed their friends by keeping control of their cars after screwing up a perfectly good racing line. 3) in the "motherland," drivers usually go from gripping mountains (develop skill), to drifting (developed control), to circuit racing (use skill and control)... in other words, it is for the younger drivers who have not yet mastered driving and want to impress their friends with this "talent." 4) doing a powerslide in the rain is not drifting and takes VERY little skill to control. 5) LSD and a suspension is a #### good idea if you actually want to drift (see #4) b/c the 240 (and the Silvia too) are set up for minor understeer with a tendency to snap oversteer. 6) AWD cars can drift - but not the in the tail out jackassery way associated w/ the Initial D crowd... the front wheels just pull too hard at some point and the car doesn't pivot around which produces the sensational drifts. 7) The only place drifting MAY be the fastest way around a corner is a sharp hairpin downhill turn... otherwise slow in fast out controls and exit speed trumps entrance speed. 8) heel/toeing into a drift isn't proper technique unless you have adjusted the massive front bias out of your brakes... there's a reason underpowered drifters (86s) use the handbrake and others the clutch. 9) Rally racing is a whole different ball game... tarmac and dirt are not the same surfaces and different skills and set-ups are required for each. 10) It also takes skill to bounce cars with "jumper kits" (hydraulics) b/c of the ability to transfer weight at exact moments... but I somehow doubt people will compare that to racing.
Now the funny thing is... is that I actually like drifting. I think it's fun to watch and I respect the way the people can control a slide for such a long period of time. Its a show and a testiment to car control skills. It is not racing and is not a technique used by racers (if you don't enter events, trust me on this one or take notes from F1 drivers). What IS starting to bother me though, is the thought of a bunch of kids who have yet to learn car control (or maybe yet to own a car) getting out on the roads and doing this shit around me. Take it to a parking lot. Learn control at an autox or high-perf driving event/school, not on the streets. Neither I, nor the other drivers around you want to become part of your drifting experiment.
sorry for the rant... it's just getting old hearing recitations of Initial D and what all the cool kids are doing in Japan. If you are that JDM, perhaps you should relocate... when you graduate high school.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Alittle long winded but I agree with you. I see it as mostly a fad. Like you I don't mind seeing it but I would'nt go ape shit over it. I'm also tired of hearing the "in Japan" stuff. Like I care what they do in Japan, last I checked i'm not there. In conclusion, just saying your not alone in your thoughts.
(Edited by ca18guy at 11:12 am on Dec. 26, 2001)
Launch
12-26-2001, 11:14 AM
First off, I never said I was going to learn how to drift from Initial D, (if you think I am one of those highschoolers you are refering to). I just said it was a good anime. I personally agree with you. For some highschool kid to look at something like that and say, "Wow, drifting looks fun and easy" and then go try it is a risk to everyone, especially if s/he is doing it on some narrow windy back-ass country road because it has one turn that reminds them of the Akina mountain pass. That kind of sht gives the sport a bad name, as well as highschoolers. When I saw the anime, I read a lot into drifting and thought it would be a fun thing to expiriment with in some wide open parking lot.
<=======Highschool kid <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> hehe. I gave up "drifting" shortly after this thread fell off the main page. It wasn't worth the risk of hurting my car. Now the only sliding I do is U turns where i'm not even going 20mph or the ocational slide just at the apex of a turn which is purely for my enjoyment...not for speed. I've found that (like others have said) takeing a corner super fast and working with that last couple % of traction is much more fun. Nothin like begging your car to grip the road...c'mon baby don't slip, don't slip *quiet screech from tires through the turn* aaaaahhhhh...YESSSS! took that one at 70!
AceInHole
12-26-2001, 02:18 PM
first of all, I don't think a drift can be carried through without an LSD. For the "it's easier to slide the car without LSD because you can break traction".... sliding the car isn't necessarily the point. You're just oversteering at some point. A drift carries the oversteer throughout the turn so the car is pointed in its final direction before the actual exit of the corner. In a long enough turn, an open diff will just drag one wheel, and the car will not be controlled well, let alone well enough to control the rotation of the car at all throughout the turn. This is why you'll catch me saying I "drift", since all I can do is initiate enough over steer to HOPEFULLY last untill the exit, while only trying to control the line with steering and minimal throttle input.
Drifting is definitely difficult. I would say mastering a grip style first is a good way to eventually get to drifting, because with a drift, you have to be EXTREMELY good at controlling the car, and quick enough and comfortable enough with the car to switch from different inputs from steering to braking to getting on the gas to dumping the clutch to pulling the e-brake, or all of the above at some point.
Anyways, once you learn grip techniques, pushing even harder from there will get to oversteer. By then you should be comfortable enough to be able to counter the oversteer, and over time control that and use that as your initial turn in into the drift.
"Praying to the gods of Nissan for a VLSD"
PJ <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>
KoukiS14
12-28-2001, 12:26 AM
Well, it was a #### of a lot easier in my old 240, since I had HICAS and VLSD.. .those two things definately made an improvement for drifting. . in my S14, it's okay... but I need that VLSD!! Very important to have for drifting. . Without it, half the time you'll just kinda take the corner slow and while spinning the inside tire lol. . kinda lame. .
Anyway, I use a similar technique . . on both dry and wet payment (for high speed drifting) I take the turn until I sense my front wheels wanting to slip. . then I downshift, floor it and pop the clutch. . in wet weather you can use any gear you want, and you don't really need to pop the clutch. . so uhh. . uhh .. shit I dunno what I'm talking about. . but it's fun, and the skill is very practical... saved my ass several times so far.
-Rob =)
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