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hungryjoseph
06-28-2012, 12:03 PM
I just bought a set of 8 used coils with connects on ebay.

The factory RB25 ecu doesn't set the dwell time long enough for the Lsx coil to fully charge. For the Ls2 truck coils at 12 volts, the dwell time is 5.5 ms and increasing with respect to drop in voltage and decreasing with respect to increase in voltage. I found some chart that shows this relation for the LS2 truck coil. So the question I want to ask you guys is

1. When I look up dwell time adjustments, why does RPM make a difference (besides the extra voltage from a faster spinning alternator)? From what I've gathered, at 12V, the dwell time is 5.5 ms and the discharge time is 2 ms which means the maximum frequency is 133Hz which equates to 8000 RPM. BUT a spark in a cylinder occurs once every -TWO- RPM. Meaning at 8000 RPM, the spark is occurring at a frequency of 4000 times per minute. So theoretically (at 12 volts) you could spin the motor to 16,000 RPM before any adjustment needs to be made to the dwell time due to the motor frequency. Of course, at higher RPMs the coilpacks will see a higher voltage meaning the maximum theoretical RPM of the coilpacks is now even higher. Am I going wrong somewhere in my logic? I'm assuming there must be a reason people adjust for both RPM and voltage. I hope I was clear... lol.

2. Assuming everything I said above is right, I want to get an arduino board (Arduino - HomePage (http://www.arduino.cc/)) and code it so that when it sees a digital input, it will hold a digital output for -X- ms as a function of -Y- voltage. Meaning if the voltage is 12, it will hold a digital output (5V) for 5 ms to the coilpack, essentially creating a longer dwell time. These boards are cheap, 30$ to 100$, and can take multiple digital inputs and outputs, including analog. I also plan on using this for reading my pressures, temperatures, and RPM but that's for another thread. Any comments or suggestions for this idea?


thanks for any input.

budderigs
06-29-2012, 03:00 AM
I am running the truck coils. I am using stock dwell settings with a rb20det ecu. The upgrade is substantially noticeable without the dwell change. I am having no spark blow out at 25#s.with a .028 gap. Adding some cheap capacitors to each coil is supposed to solve the dwell change. I just tried without and never went.

bardabe
06-29-2012, 10:53 AM
stock ecu will handle them fine, once you upgrade your turbo injectors and other stuff, when you upgrade your EMS you can change the dwell settings and use them to their max potential. but they will work fine on stock ecm.

GSXRJJordan
06-29-2012, 11:26 AM
We've done these tons of times.

stock ecu will handle them fine, once you upgrade your turbo injectors and other stuff, when you upgrade your EMS you can change the dwell settings and use them to their max potential. but they will work fine on stock ecm.

This. A 5ms dwell is REALLY long, that's the max. At 3ms (depending on which exact coils you're talking about, I'll assume D585 truck-style coils with heat sink) you're getting almost all of the spark energy (~100mj IIRC). At OEM dwell they'll still be MUCH better than the stock coils.

bllabong89
06-30-2012, 02:26 PM
If anyone knows... What model/year trucks were these on. I want to do this so I figured I would check the junkyard before ebay.

GSXRJJordan
06-30-2012, 11:10 PM
Any 4.8L truck or van.
Any 5.3L truck or van.
Any 6.0L truck or van.
Any 6.2L truck or van.

There's literally 1000+ of them.

hungryjoseph
07-01-2012, 02:30 PM
. Adding some cheap capacitors to each coil is supposed to solve the dwell change. I just tried without and never went.

That's not true. It serves as a filter from the wiring diagrams I've seen.

We've done these tons of times.



This. A 5ms dwell is REALLY long, that's the max. At 3ms (depending on which exact coils you're talking about, I'll assume D585 truck-style coils with heat sink) you're getting almost all of the spark energy (~100mj IIRC).

That's good information. What equipment did you use the measure the spark energy?

And I appreciate the replies but does anyone know why dwell is adjusted per rpm?

GSXRJJordan
07-01-2012, 11:20 PM
That's not true. It serves as a filter from the wiring diagrams I've seen.

That's good information. What equipment did you use the measure the spark energy?

And I appreciate the replies but does anyone know why dwell is adjusted per rpm?

I didn't measure, but there was a Megasquirt nerd that did. Basically used a signal generator to set the inputs and a scope with a suitably large resistor to watch spark energy. It was tagged with LS1 coils I think on the video, but applies to all.

Dwell vs RPM is key because the coil's overall performance and lifespan is related to duty cycle - that's essentially the whole reason why multiple coils is preferable. Not only do you have dwell time, the coil fires, and then it's got to cool down/rest.

hungryjoseph
07-15-2012, 08:47 PM
Just installed them and they work great

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GSXRJJordan
07-16-2012, 02:39 AM
Your bracket looks amazing! Are those LS1 plug wires?

hungryjoseph
07-26-2012, 06:30 AM
Your bracket looks amazing! Are those LS1 plug wires?

lol thanks. I just used a flat piece of aluminum and a square aluminum tube from home depot. Tapped some holes and it all fit great. The wires are off a 2004 Silverado. The engine revs so much smoother with this upgrade...

AS240
07-26-2012, 07:31 AM
i did this but i was having terrible popping issues. sounded like a streetbike with a rev limit at 6k. i could go to 80% throttle and not have any problems, but as soon as I floor it, it would pop. i advanced my base timing to 18 deg and it got rid of the problem...most of the time. any idea what could be causing this? still on stock ecu, injectors, @10psi with a safc2.

GSXRJJordan
07-26-2012, 11:59 AM
i did this but i was having terrible popping issues. sounded like a streetbike with a rev limit at 6k. i could go to 80% throttle and not have any problems, but as soon as I floor it, it would pop. i advanced my base timing to 18 deg and it got rid of the problem...most of the time. any idea what could be causing this? still on stock ecu, injectors, @10psi with a safc2.

What's your plug gap like? How did you wire them? If you're not getting enough juice to the coils, don't have a solid ground, or run too much gap and you'll break up.

Or... could be lean. Do you have a wideband?

wadestone13
07-30-2012, 08:46 PM
I’m trying to find a nice bracket like yours from discounted truck parts but they’re still pricey for me. I didn’t know that you can do a DIY like that! Nice. What size of aluminum tube is that mate? Thanks in advance.


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Abaker13
05-07-2014, 10:02 AM
I wired up mine but I was wondering which diagram you used for your. Mine is a rb20. And what were your two grounding points you used?