Formula Drift judging?

[BlueKpS13]

Has anyone noticed that the judging in Formula D has seemed a little more biased to certain drivers? Take for instance Conrad Grunewald V Daigo Saito during Rd.4 in New Jersey where Daigo went off course and hit several clipping points multiple times and Conrad had several consistant runs with a few minor mistakes. There was a similar situation in Palm beach where Daigo went very shallow more than a few times. Im not an FD judge or driver but ive seen my fare share of events and I dont think the judging is fair by any means. And there are more than just these few instances.

Thoughts?

[DDs13]

seriously yo? you made a thread about this? Well yes they are biased but more to drivers like JTP and Gittin, pretty much those with the bigass sponsors and the v8s. Saito just proved to them that he's a much better driver at a whole different level. Saito has been wrecking other cars in speed entries and proximity its ridiculous

[Mikey McFly]

Don't get on the Saito bandwagon. He's good but he's not a god. Saito does get pretty messy and the judges screwed up on that Powers vs. Gittin Jr battle. That was all Powers on that battle.

[BlueKpS13]

seriously yo? you made a thread about this? Well yes they are biased but more to drivers like JTP and Gittin, pretty much those with the bigass sponsors and the v8s. Saito just proved to them that he's a much better driver at a whole different level. Saito has been wrecking other cars in speed entries and proximity its ridiculous

Im not saying daigo is a bad driver, im suggesting that he makes a lot of mistakes that somehow get overlooked more often than not. Doesnt have anything to do with the Falken and V8 powered cars.

Don't get on the Saito bandwagon. He's good but he's not a god. Saito does get pretty messy and the judges screwed up on that Powers vs. Gittin Jr battle. That was all Powers on that battle.

Another example. Gitten had two hicups on the bank and Powers runs were flawless and somehow Gitten won.

[ericcastro]

how bout CF spinning and still gettting the win?

The judges are horrible and only getting worse.
I made some comments on different forums and in chats a few weeks back about how much the judges are on thier phones and other people are now off and running with it, so this may help get em fired.

Its not DA, its a Falken podium everytime.

The judges suck and make shit up all the time.

At least they had Eric Osullivan onthe mike today, that was nice to have someone that actually knows the sport talking about the runs.

[theboy]

Chelsea got screwed over as well. Yes he was shallow, but to be given the loss because he hit Tyler while tyler is pointed into the wall after hitting the wall himself is total b.s.

Judges are absolutely terrible this year. And bias is an understatement. JR should never have been close to the podium after running with powers.

[ghoti]

The judges are horrible and only getting worse.

Yeah and did you read that Matt Petty from Club Loose set out a $500 reward to anyone who can punch Formula D judge Andy Yen in the mouth on camera.

[project-D180]

lol thats comedy

[ericcastro]

Yeah and did you read that Matt Petty from Club Loose set out a $500 reward to anyone who can punch Formula D judge Andy Yen in the mouth on camera.

Gotta love Ziptied :)

Heres some more ZT action after todays BS


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[daftphunk]

I also think they are HEAVILY biased towards the big names.

Being from the PNW, I might be a little biased towards Walker, but he definitely should have taken 3rd in Round 2, where he lost out to Daigo. He killed him in both rounds, not even warranting a OMT, and in the OMT threw down a solid run and they gave it to Daigo. Daigo was sloppy and even went off course. Dude has a 1000+ HP jz and in Walkers lead run, he couldn't even close the gap against a basically stock LS.

I mean Daigo is good and I want to see him succeed, but I call favoritism

[Flipzide]

Wasn't there a thing where the judges said they are looking for "proximity" even at the cost of the driver's line (ie. daigo literally hitting the clips to get close)?

[Megaman V2]

If you are the chase car it is acceptable to sacrifice line to a degree to keep proximity, But you still need to be following lead drivers line. An do not get my started on Chelsea VS Tyler indecent..... Yea Chelsea made a slight correction on his first run.... He did not go into a wall..... Tyler was leading, Chelsea is supposed to be following lead drivers line. Tyler goes into the wall and Chelsea is caught in cross fire cause hes doing what he is supposed to do? An SHITTY FD JUDGES give the win to Tyler? It makes absolutely NO SENSE. =] That is just my 2 penny's

[ArticSilver]

If you are the chase car it is acceptable to sacrifice line to a degree to keep proximity, But you still need to be following lead drivers line. An do not get my started on Chelsea VS Tyler indecent..... Yea Chelsea made a slight correction on his first run.... He did not go into a wall..... Tyler was leading, Chelsea is supposed to be following lead drivers line. Tyler goes into the wall and Chelsea is caught in cross fire cause hes doing what he is supposed to do? An SHITTY FD JUDGES give the win to Tyler? It makes absolutely NO SENSE. =] That is just my 2 penny's
totally agree, the decision made me want to walk out. didnt they also say the initiation had to be consistant? im pretty sure he'd have the same approach if tyler hadnt lost it.

[Slikk Logic]

yea i was there today. its same people always podium daio, gittin and normally justin from falken. the judging is tru bullshit

[Chrischeezer]

yeah tough day today.

the judges "point system" sucks... I mean all top 8 drivers are very good, but some calls were ridiculous


eF' it!... east cost bash is next weekend :D

[Tiffanythe240]

screw the judging man. theres to much favoritism going on in FD now. at least im able to look forward to ECB next weekend. real good timee grassroots sliding. cant hate that

[One_love_silvia]

there's been shitty judging in formula d forever. even at my first formula d event at irwindale 2010, aasbo DESTROYED gittin, and they judges gave it to gittin. the entire crowd was pissed off as fuck, and boo'd for a really long time.

ask anyone who was there, and go watch the runs for yourself. it's hard to tell on video, but aasbo was getting like twice as much angle as jr. was in both runs. i'll never forget that match. it's what made me start loving aasbo's driving style and i became a fan of his. wish they never got rid of his supra though =(

[EjMalernee]

Chelsea for sure got robbed, but his car looked pretty beat up from that wreck. If he would have won do you think he would have had the car ready for the next round? If he couldn't get it ready would Tyler then move on? Is that how it works?

The Daigo vs Conrad match was a tough one. I mean Daigo kept hitting clips but was super close to Conrad. Then Daigo would walk away from Conrad on his lead runs. I really couldn't tell who won.

But for sure the judging has really sucked and seems to have gotten worse. I'm glad Eric Osullivan was on driftstream to give good insight. That dude it cool as sh!t!!

[illvialuver]

You know, I think if both drivers tried to drive the same line, then they would have no choice but to be close to each other. I think the proximity taking importance over everything else just makes for sloppiness. I cant believe I am saying this, but I miss the old d1 judging system, line + speed+ angle equals win.

They would judge the tandem battle on if the follow driver was able to hit the clipping points and stay within a reasonable distance. If they both ran good runs then it would be a one more time. The drivers that stood out the most were the ones that would manage to run a great line, have good speeed and angle AND be close to the lead car.

To be honest, I have stopped caring about the outcome of things like FormulaD. I mean I go to just hang out and check shit out when it is close to where I live.

[CharleyWopp]

Judges are tards. What they need is to replace the judges with people who actually care about whats going on. Like retired drifters for judging. That would make things a lot better. I feel like once you hit the wall you should be out, not given the win. I personally dont watch this crap very often anymore its pointless when it seems judges are paid off for podiums

[younghatchowner]

There should be an organized boycott push FD Management to have Judges have a prerequisite of atleast a podium finish in FD to JUDGE.

[Mikey McFly]

You know, I think if both drivers tried to drive the same line, then they would have no choice but to be close to each other. I think the proximity taking importance over everything else just makes for sloppiness. I cant believe I am saying this, but I miss the old d1 judging system, line + speed+ angle equals win.

They would judge the tandem battle on if the follow driver was able to hit the clipping points and stay within a reasonable distance. If they both ran good runs then it would be a one more time. The drivers that stood out the most were the ones that would manage to run a great line, have good speeed and angle AND be close to the lead car.

To be honest, I have stopped caring about the outcome of things like FormulaD. I mean I go to just hang out and check shit out when it is close to where I live.

The ol' D1GP days were awesome. Line, speed, and angle were all you needed. Proximity came from having that speed and hitting the angle that kept you close to your opponents. Giving proximity its own category just makes for drivers, like Daigo Saito, to just run the course hitting the clipping points and barely putting in any angle just to stay close.

If the judging was proper, the outcome would have been:
1. Daijiro Yoshihara
2. Matt Powers
3. Chris Forsberg

[itsjustdaphne]

i stopped watching the driftstream during the top 8 but i agree with you all on that everything was ridiculous. people really need to stop obsessing over Saito too..

do you guys know where they even get these judges from?

[Chrischeezer]

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k141/ChrisCheezer/2764bfc4.jpg

[itsjustdaphne]

i don't mean to spam this thread but here's a gopro clip of that^:
http://vimeo.com/44612114#

[ZenkiKid]

I noticed the sketchy ass judging all the way from Round 1 with Gushi. He shouldve gotten eliminated in the round of 16 but they kept him around because they had the "first 86" owners of the FRS there with VIP seating and all of that BS.

[D.Adams]

Here is the crash video from Chelsea DeNofa's car you can clearly see it wasnt his fault. So over Formula Drift

https://vimeo.com/44594832

https://vimeo.com/44612114


looks like someone posted it already .. But what the hell here it is again

[BlueKpS13]

Id really like to see ex fd drivers or champions judging events. The prerequisites for judging should be in car experience. Dmac was making proper calls during the event and seemed like he was off put by the calls the judges were making.

[D.Adams]

It's funny Formula drift is deleting most all the comments dealing the the crash and bad call off there Facebook and Twitter .

[Brian]

Lol, 2012 and people are still surprised??????????????

WHAT?

[ghoti]

Here is the crash video from Chelsea DeNofa's car you can clearly see it wasnt his fault. So over Formula Drift

44594832
44612114


looks like someone posted it already .. But what the hell here it is again

fixed
msglngth

[thefro526]

Rant:

Formula Drift Judging is a joke and will always be a joke. The last time the judges were honest was like 04/05 before the big money came into play. Tony Angelo sort of kept them honest, but he was one vote out of three.

Now that Tangelo is driving again, there's no one that's a 'driver' to keep the judges in check which leads to them showing an huge amount of bias towards the driver who is sponsored by the company that throws the most money to FD. It's been like that for quite a few years, look at the number of Podiums that Falken has....

And the Saddest thing? FD wouldn't work without this judging Bias. Teams don't want to go to FD to get their asses handed to them by a superior driver. They want a return on their investment. They lose too much? They bail.

Imagine if Daigo won 2 or 3 of the events this season (which he should have)... All of the established drivers and teams would've been irate, bitched to FD and threatened to pull their money out.

[ericcastro]

Lol, 2012 and people are still surprised??????????????

WHAT?

LOL,
The judging has never been good, but its soooo bad now its amazing they even get away with it.

http://img.tapatalk.com/4b523910-527e-5ff0.jpg

http://becauseracecar.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/katie.jpg

[roboticnissan]

. it's what made me start loving aasbo's driving style and i became a fan of his. wish they never got rid of his supra though =(


They didnt get rid of it, he fucking totaled the shit out of it. Aasbo was the pioneer of missile cars for fd.

[roboticnissan]

Tyler definitely hit first, but holt shit his style and entry drift is too fucking amazing.

[thefro526]

Aasbo was the pioneer of missile cars for fd.

.......

Must not have been following the series since the early days.

Back then it was common to see a beat to shit car running in FD. That was also when FD was remotely cool.

Shit, Perfect example:

http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/watchvideo/taka-aono-crashing-at-houston-2005

Was trying to find the video of when he flipped, but I got lazy.

[EjMalernee]

Tyler Gets the Win? [SNAPSHOT] : Breaking Drift News (http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/blog/2012/06/23/tyler-gets-the-win/)

Tyler and Chelsea both commented on wrecked. It's interesting to hear both points of view. I still think Chelsea got a bad call, but Tyler is a class act. he should get any blame for what happened.

I think I'm more upset about Powers. He was driving like a mad man. The Daigo/Conrad still has me scratching my head too.
At the end of the day is nice to have a good discussion on a sport we love, even if it is the pros. Keep Drifting Fun!!!

[ericcastro]

They didnt get rid of it, he fucking totaled the shit out of it. Aasbo was the pioneer of missile cars for fd.

What do you mean.
Stephan drove it at Top Drift and They just sent it to China WDS.
The cars fine.
He got a sponsor so the new car is part of the deal.

.......
Must not have been following the series since the early days.
.
Like Hiro's car, lol.

[roboticnissan]

What do you mean.
Stephan drove it at Top Drift and They just sent it to China WDS.
The cars fine.
He got a sponsor so the new car is part of the deal.


Like Hiro's car, lol.




Wow totally forgot about hiro sumida, aasbo is much better tho.

[OBEEWON]

Vote for me as FD Supreme Judge leader and I promise to:

1. Disqualify all ugly cars
2. Add land mines
33. make a max ride height requirement
7. Fine anyone with positive camber
9. Put some thick models out to hold umbrellas instead of those anorexic ones
14. Ban ugly liveries
19. Make J-Rod learn Japanese and talk like Mana-P
211. Exact revenge on Chevrolet for ruining drifting

[Okinawandrifter87]

^^ If that were true, I'd be your first vote.

[fckillerbee]

this doesn't need a thread. The FD judges know they don't judge....it's a popularity contest.

[EjMalernee]

OBEEWON as long as you don't cut your own hair then forget to cut the back you have my vote.

[thefro526]

Like Hiro's car, lol.

Holy shit, I forgot about that car.

I have no IDEA how that thing managed to keep driving, but it did and it did well. Hiro was like the OG of having a fucking RAD missile car.

Vote for me as FD Supreme Judge leader and I promise to:

1. Disqualify all ugly cars
2. Add land mines
33. make a max ride height requirement
7. Fine anyone with positive camber
9. Put some thick models out to hold umbrellas instead of those anorexic ones
14. Ban ugly liveries
19. Make J-Rod learn Japanese and talk like Mana-P
211. Exact revenge on Chevrolet for ruining drifting

King OB, there has been discussion of having HaterDan, Myself and Dave NJ make a run on the judging booth at next year's FD event. I'm assuming that you are down for this. We will wear matching tee shirts.

[soreballz]

1. Disqualify all ugly cars
2. Add land mines

Don't DQ the ugly cars. When they hit the land mines, it'll be far more satisfying.

[Flipzide]

19. Make J-Rod learn Japanese and talk like Mana-P


winning! :bigok:

[Chrischeezer]

Vote for me as FD Supreme Judge leader and I promise to:
2. Add land mines


"Proximity" mines??

[i need tires]

I wish the judges of drifting actually were drivers.... I think all of them just pretend to drive or have a 'drift car' that sits in the garage all day.

[DJ-of-E]

Lol, 2012 and people are still surprised??????????????

WHAT?

I went to my first Formula D in 2004. During that time, the speed of the drift is just as important as angle. You see some really quick drifts where the guy in the rear would be docked points if his drift were slower. And if you're the chaser sticking it close to the slower guy in front, you pretty much godkill them.

I stopped on 2007 when those with much larger angles wins, despite being much further lag behind. :madfawk:

It's like figure skating and that previous Pacquiao fight. Too much judging for looks, no "neutral." I prefer track cuz the only judge is a digital clock/timer unless you did something stupid.

[itsjustdaphne]

this doesn't need a thread. The FD judges know they don't judge....it's a popularity contest.

this; so true.

[i need tires]

One of the FD judges.. he is about 8yr behind on the skill level of today

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=IKJm3BX0e1w

[tricky_ab]

After watching the footage, all you can do is laugh it off and see how FD can explain this mess.

I'm all ears FD...

Vote for me as FD Supreme Judge leader and I promise to:

1. Disqualify all ugly cars
2. Add land mines
33. make a max ride height requirement
7. Fine anyone with positive camber
9. Put some thick models out to hold umbrellas instead of those anorexic ones
14. Ban ugly liveries
19. Make J-Rod learn Japanese and talk like Mana-P
211. Exact revenge on Chevrolet for ruining drifting

You speak the truth and you have my vote...

[codyace]

Hmm, another figure skating type result...when will the 'higher ups' recognize this sort of debauchery is what creates the bad name.


Until there is a definitive judging list, I will forever have a hard time accepting 'drifting' as a competitive sport. Don't confuse my response; I know i's skillful and tough...but without any sort of basis, how can one 'entry' really better than the other. *sigh*. It's like saying your cousin was the worlds best Grilled Cheese Eater or something.

[di-devol]

It's like saying your cousin was the worlds best Grilled Cheese Eater or something.

She was.

msglenth

[SpOOlin13]

+1 vote for OBEEWON.

[Trap Star]

I'm still pissed about the fucking scion. Horrible judging is a close second.

[HKSalex]

i have to give it to daigo. he is an amazing driver... and such plus V8 can suck my cock.. lol

on a real note.. the guy probably has driven the track at least a dozen times before actually competing. as every one else has years and years of practice on each track...

i would never consider Formula D / D1GP a real motor-sport... its to judge... and we all know in real motor-sports time never lies

[usdm180sx]

There are THREE things that can FUCK OFF and GO TO HELL in this world: boxing, formula d and politics. Oh and jrod can suck his pencil rod. What a douchebag ass

[EjMalernee]

Some one hates jrod.

[OBEEWON]

Sorry Fro, I don't care enough about FD to run on the judges. I wouldn't even recognize them if I saw them. But I will take a T-shirt!



I do want to do FD in a all black super low car with a huge middle finger vinyl and drift all corners at 30mph and watch everyone struggle to follow me during tandem.

[Mr.GT30]

It all about politic.. all tires company paid to run in FD ..So how pay more will have better chance to win .. put in this LOL

[vas570sx]

I do want to do FD in a all black super low car with a huge middle finger vinyl and drift all corners at 30mph and watch everyone struggle to follow me during tandem.

^if you did that, it would help the follow driver keep good proximity. they might like that.

[Crondy]

I do want to do FD in a all black super low car with a huge middle finger vinyl and drift all corners at 30mph and watch everyone struggle to follow me during tandem.

:rawk:
:rawk:
:rawk:
:rawk:

[SomeoneWhoIsntMe]

^if you did that, it would help the follow driver keep good proximity. they might like that.if you slow down at all, you get asspacked. that's why next year they're adding a not-wide-open-throttle light in addition to the front brake light, so anyone that lifts can lose points with the judges.

[ericcastro]

if you slow down at all, you get asspacked. that's why next year they're adding a not-wide-open-throttle light in addition to the front brake light, so anyone that lifts can lose points with the judges.

Everyone lifts but Taka, thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard,

Watch JR's in car stuff, he lifts just as much a Diago, so I was amazed the judges tried to make calls on him having to lift to scrub speed.
Its like 1000hp!!! your gonna have to lift on those 30 mph corners, lmao!

[usdm180sx]

They can do whatever the FUCK they want. It's still political. All it will do is piss off more people because it will be even more obvious.

[SomeoneWhoIsntMe]

Everyone lifts but Taka, thats the dumbest thing ive ever heard,

Watch JR's in car stuff, he lifts just as much a Diago, so I was amazed the judges tried to make calls on him having to lift to scrub speed.
Its like 1000hp!!! your gonna have to lift on those 30 mph corners, lmao!ps: jokes.

[ridesnowx4]

Yeah I'm not too stoked on the judging, it really is no surprise though, It's been biased since the beginning IMO

[Matej]

They should add a backwards entry contest.
And a saykotan boogie low car class. So both the Nascar fans and the Haruguchi worshippers will get what they want to see.

[BlueKpS13]

Im curious to see what happens in seattle. Judging has been heavely scrutinized by the locals. Ive seen the entire grandstands boo the judges more than once just at one event.

[EDacIouSX]

There are THREE things that can FUCK OFF and GO TO HELL in this world: boxing, formula d and politics. Oh and jrod can suck his pencil rod. What a douchebag ass

Some one hates jrod.

someone start a J ROD IS GAY facebook fan page. I will like it.





I have always said Formula D sucks. Nothing against the drivers, everything against the organization....

[first_choice]

its NASCAR drifting. I respect the drivers and thats about it.

[ultimateforce]

At least the two commentators they have no explain the judging, that's a step in the right direction.

[fuelculture]

if you slow down at all, you get asspacked. that's why next year they're adding a not-wide-open-throttle light in addition to the front brake light, so anyone that lifts can lose points with the judges.


this sounds interesting but where did you hear this from?

[zerodameaon]

Start requiring judges to release financial info like the president, see whos getting paid.

[illvialuver]

The most surprising thing about this thread, is that Norm doesnt like boxing, and I thought he was Filipino. No PacMan love? lol

[giodachamp]

The most surprising thing about this thread, is that Norm doesnt like boxing, and I thought he was Filipino. No PacMan love? lol

He doesn't like Boxing anymore because Pacman got robbed in his recent fight when the judges gave it to Bradley. Even Bradley didn't think he won!!LOL

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Which is why i don't waste my money or time watching formula d

[ultimateforce]

Which is why i don't waste my money or time watching formula d

You'd just waste your time on something else, be honest.

[1 88 U]

Daigo Saito just kicked the door right open on Formula D. First year competing in the American series and took 4 podiums, 2 event wins and the series Championship all in his rookie year in a chassis nobody in the world has made competitive .

[just another> s13]

So many bad calls today... Matt Field should have advanced!!!

[roboticnissan]

Daigo Saito just kicked the door right open on Formula D. First year competing in the American series and took 4 podiums, 2 event wins and the series Championship all in his rookie year in a chassis nobody in the world has made competitive .



You forgot to mention no v8

[EsChassisLove]

Unless you haven't noticed, this eventually happens in all sports. Judges or refs get biased.

People get sucked into nutswinging some drivers sack. And it's happening to the judges. Hell it happens to most of Zilvia members lol

[zerodameaon]

Agreed that Field should have gone on. IMO Powers and him had the best runs of the day. That top 32 follow run of Powers was just top notch with how close he was.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

You'd just waste your time on something else, be honest.

natural comment coming from florida lol, Yea going out with my girl to disney land is wasting time, going and having fun in my own car is wasting time. Such a huge waste of time not going to watch a bunch of other people drifting, when i can be drifting my self. Not to mention that everything has an ls swap so it's lame

To me going to formula d is like watching someone else have sex, why watch when you can do it your self

[ZenkiKid]

So many bad calls today... Matt Field should have advanced!!!

100%. I am happy for Daigo but Field beat Daigo in the first run and in the OMT.

I had a feeling some BS may go down because they said how Orido was in attendance too.

[EDacIouSX]

in a chassis nobody in the world has made competitive .

Are you sure about that? That's a popular chasis for japans GT Series. It's been established that it is a very good chasis.

[pacotaco345]

You forgot to mention no v8

Because a 1200 hp 2J with nitrous to help the bottom end is at SUCH a disadvantage to a v8.. I'm glad Daigo won the championship but just saying.

[1 88 U]

100%. I am happy for Daigo but Field beat Daigo in the first run and in the OMT.

I had a feeling some BS may go down because they said how Orido was in attendance too.

Watch the stream again, 7.09.00

Justin.tv - driftstream - Formula DRIFT Round 7 - World Finals starts Oct 12th at 2pm PST (http://www.justin.tv/driftstream/b/335497416)

Run 1- Matt leads, Daigo is all over him in the bank but bobbles a little but holds close prox the whole way.
Run 2- Daigo leads, Has a gap in the bank, Matt smacks the wall in the inner bank but doesn't spin, doesn't hold the same prox.

OMT
Run 3- Matt leads, Matt is low in the bank while Daigo is high, Daigo is within one car length throughout the course.
Run 4- Daigo leads, Matt smacks the wall again in the inner bank.

The judges said it was Matt running low bank on his lead that cost him the match. Daigo Saito wins fair and square.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Because a 1200 hp 2J with nitrous to help the bottom end is at SUCH a disadvantage to a v8.. I'm glad Daigo won the championship but just saying.

never said it was a disadvantage, he just said that his car didn't have one of those pussy engines to help everyone drift better. less foot work involved less shifting, all around less work and skill

[kiriyama]

Personally i think Walker should have got the win over Pawlak, especially after he smacked the wall and maintained speed and angle like a boss. They said pawlak rode the wall the whole inner circle but walker was right behind him in the same line, judges are blind.

[zerodameaon]

Judges are not blind, at least not physically. Selective eyesight.

[roboticnissan]

Because a 1200 hp 2J with nitrous to help the bottom end is at SUCH a disadvantage to a v8.. I'm glad Daigo won the championship but just saying.

Thats besides the point imo, anyone could build a high hp anything. And if more guys had high hp i6 there wouldnt be such a hatred for them as there is for v8

[vvtisupra]

Watch the stream again, 7.09.00

Justin.tv - driftstream - Formula DRIFT Round 7 - World Finals starts Oct 12th at 2pm PST (http://www.justin.tv/driftstream/b/335497416)

Run 1- Matt leads, Daigo is all over him in the bank but bobbles a little but holds close prox the whole way.
Run 2- Daigo leads, Has a gap in the bank, Matt smacks the wall in the inner bank but doesn't spin, doesn't hold the same prox.

OMT
Run 3- Matt leads, Matt is low in the bank while Daigo is high, Daigo is within one car length throughout the course.
Run 4- Daigo leads, Matt smacks the wall again in the inner bank.

The judges said it was Matt running low bank on his lead that cost him the match. Daigo Saito wins fair and square.

+1

Most people think hitting a wall and continuing a drift is an advantage point. Which it isn't

[HAWAII]

They are all controlled by big corp., the big sponsored guy has to win or else big corp will drop their backing and then Formula Gay will lose major sponsor and then they have to pay out of their pockets without them, the cash cow will die!

If that happens, who will pay for the lifestyle this so called judges and corp officers?

[ballinnmiami240sx]

The judges said it was Matt running low bank on his lead that cost him the match. Daigo Saito wins fair and square.

THIS^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[bataangpinoy]

lol read this. /thread


http://www.wreckedmagazine.com/blog/2012/10/14/one-big-mistake-2012-triple-crown-champion-is-actually-justin-pawlak/

[fullthrottle]

They are all controlled by big corp., the big sponsored guy has to win or else big corp will drop their backing and then Formula Gay will lose major sponsor and then they have to pay out of their pockets without them, the cash cow will die!

If that happens, who will pay for the lifestyle this so called judges and corp officers?

Ford is sponsoring formula drift and gitton lost in top 16

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[raz0rbladez909]

Ford is sponsoring formula drift and gitton lost in top 16

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Well you can't hide a blatant spin without anything touching him:ddog:

[zerodameaon]

JTP made it pretty far, another Ford driver. I tend to not think its Ford so much as Falken lining pockets, at least in the first part of the season.

[pacotaco345]

I honestly don't see the benefit of swaying the judging.. Regardless the most avid watchers of formula d (us whether we like it or not) will continue to use a 240sx and federal tires. Vaughn Gittin Jr winning all the time hasn't made me want to go out and buy falken tires or a mustang. The sponsors getting the most out of the deal are the suspension guys imo. I want KW suspension and I want PBM errythang simply because its stuff I can strive to afford and put it on my (you guessed it) 240sx.

[Beas]

Ford is sponsoring formula drift and gitton lost in top 16



yeah, this really worries me. the last thing i want to see at a drift event is ford all over the place. im not sure how the sponsorships work, but i know ford will want to see thier cars winning, and FD wants money, soooo....

[raz0rbladez909]

Ford has been in formula drift for quite some time now. I wouldn't say it's a bad thing either. Look how many s-chassis cars are in fd, it gets boring as fuck to watch yet another lsx swapped s13/14 every two seconds.

[doug200t]

Politics and money rule FD. its quite apparent but hey its what makes this franchise make money time and time again. I remember saying who the hell is achillies tires now they are all over FD

[kiriyama]

I agree that its nice to see a lot of variety in cars out there, even if its not under the hood. But id also like to see some variety on the podiums. JR and JTP seemed like there were up there an awful lot, and ive seen some rad performances this season coming from other drivers. When it really comes down to it, i just dont think you can ever ACCURATELY judge drifting. If you ask 5 different people who they think the best drifter is you'll probably get 5 different responses, because everybody likes to see something different. Setting rules and guidelines to what is and isnt a "proper drift" just spoils all the fun of the sport. I used to think that FD was a goal for drifters to aspire to become, but ever since the sport became so popular it seems like its all about the sponsors, with little to do with the driving anymore. I dont speak japanese, but i enjoy watching D1GP from time to time, how is that judged? Just out of curiosity..

[Aroddalobster]

I dont speak japanese, but i enjoy watching D1GP from time to time, how is that judged? Just out of curiosity..

For qualifying: line, speed (they obviously expect higher entry from higher powered cars), angle, use of e-brake in the dry, length of throttle input, and probably a few more things that the judges subconsciously put in as factors of scores.

for tandems, line, angle, and for the follower, how close or inside they can get to the lead.