The U.S. is finished.

[Origin]

I'm sure you all have heard about Obama granting amnesty to somewhere around 1 million illegals. We now have a dictator in the Oval Office. By the flick of his pen and the nature of his whim he changed the laws, completely bypassing Congress, making his own rules. I wonder why no one is doing anything about this. Especially Romney. Where does anyone who decided to read my post think we will be next year if he gets elected? Does anyone realize what he's done today?

[cj mon]

Press 2 for english!!!!

[roboticnissan]

Wow... thats not good. Does he have reasoning behind this?

[DreamN]

So you're crying about a measly million people getting amnesty that were already here?

[Origin]

It's to get the latino vote.

The matter here is this- he overstepped his reach because he felt like it. He can not do this, he doesn't have the authority. Period. It doesn't matter how much Liberals cry and whine. He has taken an action of dictatorship. He says they are as much Americans as we are so he let's them in. He says they are good people, so he let's them in. What if he doesn't think that you aren't a good "person"? Can he just throw you out? It's the same thing.

[Brian]

It's geting very ridiculous all of this rewarding of those who break the law.

Seems like the more you follow the law, the more you get screwed.

[Origin]

The best way to create chaos is to dislodge order I suppose.

Is it clear yet that Barry isn't on the countries side? I have no idea why people still are giving him a chance. He spoke yesterday, in Ohio, basically STILL blaming Bush and Europe. "I've been in the White House for 3.5 years and I still haven't done anything", is all he really had to say. Instead of speaking for over an hour. Hahaha.

[lflkajfj12123]

It's geting very ridiculous all of this rewarding of those who break the law.

Seems like the more you follow the law, the more you get screwed.

STREET DRIFTING!! :hs:

[fliprayzin240sx]

Sweet...1 Million illegals who are now gonna have to pay taxes!!!

[BustedS13]

They should kick out all the immigrants and descendants of immigrants

America for native Americans 2012

[drivens13]

Wow ,you guys just nailed it.
Latinos now make up almost 20% of the U.S population. They are the fastest growing race in the U.S.
President term limit can't come quick enough.

[onehundredoctane]

Press 2 for English! AHAHAHAHAHAAHA! Priceless!


Welcome to America everyone, now you can get fucked over by our government like we do!

[Matej]

Well, in 2011 more Mexicans moved back to Mexico than emigrated to the US.

I think the harshest punishment would be not to let illegal immigrants leave, so they have to go down with this sinking ship. :)

[Nickys13]

If you don't like America for what it is than you can get out.

If you don't like America you can get out - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMOcyCLZHBQ)

[cnile51]

Not trying to stir the pot, because arguing about politics on the Internet is useless, but it's not amnesty to clarify.

Obama: immigration change is not amnesty or permanent fix | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/15/us-usa-immigration-obama-idUSBRE85E17N20120615)

If your going to post stuff and complain, please make sure you have FACTS before posting.

OBAMA INTERRUPTED BY REPORTER DURING IMMIGRATION SPEECH - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y82D8XyAfao&feature=youtube_gdata_player)

Off topic even though people may not like him,he definitely is a G lol. See video 0:28

Shit got real lol

[feito]

hey, more money for the majorities on welfare!! Yaaaay, im not one of them...

[BustedS13]

Wow ,you guys just nailed it.
Latinos now make up almost 20% of the U.S population. They are the fastest growing race in the U.S.
President term limit can't come quick enough.

agreed America is white man's land

http://tankthetories.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/we-serve-whites-only.gif

[dawagarage]

illegals?
http://guanabee.com/media/uploads/pilgrim_immigrants_medium.jpg

[enderr]

Sweet...1 Million illegals who are now gonna have to pay taxes!!!

this is exactly what came to my mind.

Touche mr obama.. touche indeed

[revcyanide]

hahaha holy shit, people stop reading the drudge report and do some actual research.

[Origin]

Not trying to stir the pot, because arguing about politics on the Internet is useless, but it's not amnesty to clarify.

Obama: immigration change is not amnesty or permanent fix | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/15/us-usa-immigration-obama-idUSBRE85E17N20120615)

If your going to post stuff and complain, please make sure you have FACTS before posting.

Then WHAT IS IT, exactly?

"This is not amnesty. This is not immunity. This is not a path to citizenship. It is not a permanent fix,"

Then what the hell is it?


This really isn't arguing politics, it's arguing over what's going on and what is to come. No one is this stupid unless they have a second agenda. Period.

[MadScientist]

Well the TX gov. has make it very very clear that TX has State Laws that work against the new bill in a way that will prevent most people who cross illegally from being part of this Act anyway.

1. you can't have a criminal record (thank you TX)
2. 30 years of age or younger
3. Work Visa only with experation that is shorter than the time it takes to become citizen... expires - get the fuck out - failure to comply is illegal (see #1)
4. I believe they have to be in school or a benificial trade. Doesn't include picking fruit or sitting in front of Lowe's!

[Edwin562]

Yo quiero taco bell

[mantas]

I think a lot of you are missing the point. Obama has no authority to grant these people with - whateverthefuck he has granted them with. He just does whatever he wants, and no one seems to care. Im an immigrant and my aunt is an illegal she got locked up but they disnt deport her - i would have sent her back myself if i could. I dont need a bunch of illegals from my country making me look bad, they need get the f out.

[oscarsx]

op is a rush Limbaugh fan

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[Origin]

I may repeat others words as necessary if their ideas convey my opinion better than my own.

But so are you.

[VNG704]

I think a lot of you are missing the point. Obama has no authority to grant these people with - whateverthefuck he has granted them with. He just does whatever he wants, and no one seems to care. Im an immigrant and my aunt is an illegal she got locked up but they disnt deport her - i would have sent her back myself if i could. I dont need a bunch of illegals from my country making me look bad, they need get the f out.

Obviously he does have authority and you are sure quick to jump ship.

[younghatchowner]

Obama knows what he needs to do to get back in the office. Lower the price of fried chicken and watermelons, amnesty to mexicans and put romney on blast for the whole contraceptive women dont deserve crap thing and he's a shoe in. he will have the BLack vote, the latino vote and women vote.

[CleanAndLegit]

he had a policy come into affect not to long ago, probably at the beginning of the year, no one noticed, it said exactly that, the president could pass anything and do anything without congress or the judicial court, he could literally do anything he pleases.

edit: and why the fuck do you guys argue or complain about shit like this? who gives a fuck, its not like anything you guys say is gonna change anything.

/thread.

[BustedS13]

Obama knows what he needs to do to get back in the office. Lower the price of fried chicken and watermelons, amnesty to mexicans and put romney on blast for the whole contraceptive women dont deserve crap thing and he's a shoe in. he will have the BLack vote, the latino vote and women vote.

link to article about Obama lowering prices of fried chicken and watermelon? I hadn't heard about that, where do you get your news?

[rhd_sr]

^^^^^ you my friend are stupid.

[mantas]

Obviously he does have authority and you are sure quick to jump ship.

He does? Where did you hear that? And what ship did i jump?

[Origin]

he had a policy come into affect not to long ago, probably at the beginning of the year, no one noticed, it said exactly that, the president could pass anything and do anything without congress or the judicial court, he could literally do anything he pleases.

edit: and why the fuck do you guys argue or complain about shit like this? who gives a fuck, its not like anything you guys say is gonna change anything.

/thread.

Obviously there is no way of convincing you otherwise, but I'll try.

It really disappoints me when I see people like you saying we can't do anything about and to except what's coming. I suppose it's like giving a drift event over to a Honda just because it's Soichiro driving the damn thing. Obviously Honda's can't drift, and OBVIOUSLY Obama can't do what he's doing. So it doesn't matter who he is or what he's doing he has to be dealt with. The more people who know the better.

So let's sit back, and have a nice view of what is to come under this fool, that's a better concept.

[upsdude]

op is a rush Limbaugh fan

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that's just ignorant. it's not just conservative white people who get heated over this issue.

agreed America is white man's land

http://tankthetories.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/we-serve-whites-only.gif

not sure if you're being sarcastic, but i'm personally tired of the knee jerk reaction of "you're being racist!" whenever this topic comes up.

you know who's really to blame for this mess? WE ARE! you know why? because somewhere down the line we started thinking that we were "too good" to mow our own lawns, wash our own cars, and cleaning toilets was somehow beneath us.
so now the people who came here to "do the jobs americans won't do" have grown roots and started families here. we're screwed and we have only ourselves to blame.

you know what will really make a dent in illegal immigration? going after the people/companies who hire illegal immigrants. there's already federal law against the practice but it's hardly enforced. once the lure of jobs is gone the incentive to sneak in here will go down.

[oscarsx]

America is not holding you hostage.. I hear Europe is a good place to live.

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[upsdude]

hah, that made me LOL :keke:
europe is in just as bad a situation

[Origin]

Socialism. Everywhere.

[BustedS13]

not sure if you're being sarcastic, but i'm personally tired of the knee jerk reaction of "you're being racist!" whenever this topic comes up.
maybe racist isn't the right word. but, to me, there's something fundamentally wrong about a bunch of immigrant descendants deciding that a country we stole from its native people is now full. my family came here from Ireland to get away from poverty and famine and to try carving out a new life in a better land. if someone is willing to pack up and move here, even if they jump a fence to get in, I think they deserve the same opportunity.
you know who's really to blame for this mess? WE ARE! you know why? because somewhere down the line we started thinking that we were "too good" to mow our own lawns, wash our own cars, and cleaning toilets was somehow beneath us.
so now the people who came here to "do the jobs americans won't do" have grown roots and started families here. we're screwed and we have only ourselves to blame.agreed.you know what will really make a dent in illegal immigration? going after the people/companies who hire illegal immigrants. there's already federal law against the practice but it's hardly enforced. once the lure of jobs is gone the incentive to sneak in here will go down.making immigration a more straightforward process would also cut down on illegal immigration. if people want to come here and pay taxes, i don't see how that's a problem.

[mantas]

So me waiting in line for four years and applying for a green card means nothing? I had a 50/50 chance of coming here legally but i took the chance and came to the U.S. became a citizen and i love this country because ive been to other parts of the world. I think people need to come here legally so we can screen them and avoid having criminals hop the borders. I understand because of the geographical position we maily have hispanics come over the border and im sure most are hard working people but the fact is they come here illegally. Breaking the law is breaking the law, if you get caught you should be held accountable, whether its jay walking or coming to this country illegally. Think about it, should we just forgive all the criminals in our jails and let them out and let them have a second chance because they might be willing to be good citizens again? We need to stand our ground as a nation and uphold the laws in this country.

[drivens13]

Its one thing to complain about the wait time for a green card (which will always be there). What i don't understand is when i hear illlegals say they couldn't afford the U.S application fees but yet they will pay a coyote sometimes thousands of dollars to guide them here. Why risk so much money and your life to come here illegally when for the same amount of money or less you can become a legal U.S citizen? This is the money the U.S. is missing and instead goes to a drug running coyote.

[CleanAndLegit]

Obviously there is no way of convincing you otherwise, but I'll try.

It really disappoints me when I see people like you saying we can't do anything about and to except what's coming. I suppose it's like giving a drift event over to a Honda just because it's Soichiro driving the damn thing. Obviously Honda's can't drift, and OBVIOUSLY Obama can't do what he's doing. So it doesn't matter who he is or what he's doing he has to be dealt with. The more people who know the better.

So let's sit back, and have a nice view of what is to come under this fool, that's a better concept.

well be realistic, and tell me what spreading the word is gonna do, cause i always hear about things like this, and people saying, gotta spread the word, people knowing etc. well all those times and nothing, what im saying is kickback, fuck it, grab a beer, and relax, a fun chill talk is cool, when it gets heated people get racist for what? its dumb, anyway carryon i like reading you fucks get pissed at each other. (: :drama:

[Origin]

Childish cursing aside, I'm not heated and never was. I'm heated with what's happening, not the people here. If this even brings one person into the light it's worth it. That person could change 100 peoples minds for all you know. Do you really have no opinion on what's happening?

[fliprayzin240sx]

this is exactly what came to my mind.

Touche mr obama.. touche indeed

The kicker ofcourse is just because they're legal, doesnt mean they'll pay taxes. They will still continue to work under the table like they did when they were illegal so they dont have to pay taxes.

So me waiting in line for four years and applying for a green card means nothing? I had a 50/50 chance of coming here legally but i took the chance and came to the U.S. became a citizen and i love this country because ive been to other parts of the world. I think people need to come here legally so we can screen them and avoid having criminals hop the borders. I understand because of the geographical position we maily have hispanics come over the border and im sure most are hard working people but the fact is they come here illegally. Breaking the law is breaking the law, if you get caught you should be held accountable, whether its jay walking or coming to this country illegally. Think about it, should we just forgive all the criminals in our jails and let them out and let them have a second chance because they might be willing to be good citizens again? We need to stand our ground as a nation and uphold the laws in this country.

Its one thing to complain about the wait time for a green card (which will always be there). What i don't understand is when i hear illlegals say they couldn't afford the U.S application fees but yet they will pay a coyote sometimes thousands of dollars to guide them here. Why risk so much money and your life to come here illegally when for the same amount of money or less you can become a legal U.S citizen? This is the money the U.S. is missing and instead goes to a drug running coyote.

The problem is that Immigration is a broken, bureaucratic system. I have family who's been trying to legally immigrate to the states for over 15 yrs. Shit, I've had a cousin who's been petitioned since she was born. Funny thing is she finally got approved 6 months ago. Kicker is she cant come now cuz she turned 21 roughly 4 months prior.

My step-dad legally adopted me when I was 15. That was the only way I can get my citizenship faster. I wouldnt have enlisted in the military if I was just a resident...

How many people can really wait that long to get the fuck out of their bad situations? People who have family in other 2nd or 3rd world countries would understand what I mean by this...

[psychos13]

maybe racist isn't the right word. But, to me, there's something fundamentally wrong about a bunch of immigrant descendants deciding that a country we stole from its native people is now full. My family came here from ireland to get away from poverty and famine and to try carving out a new life in a better land. If someone is willing to pack up and move here, even if they jump a fence to get in, i think they deserve the same opportunity.
Agreed.making immigration a more straightforward process would also cut down on illegal immigration. If people want to come here and pay taxes, i don't see how that's a problem.people just migrate too the us too live a better life and have opportunities they couldnt have in there home land they dnt care if they come here legally or illegally

[Phlip]

The irony of people getting as upset as they do over illegal immigration into a country that was taken from indigenous people who were murdered for their troubles is staggering.

Somewhere behind the desks in an office of Western Sky Financial on a Native American reservation, someone is LAUGHING hard as he collects usury-level interest on a loan while he waits on the borrower to default so they can simply repossess their country back.

[mantas]

Lmao so much failed logic. I will let someone else chime in and answer individual answer. You people have entitlement issues and you need to go back to your shit 3rd world countries instead of trying to bring your whole fucking family here to use the welfare system.

[Origin]

The irony of people getting as upset as they do over illegal immigration into a country that was taken from indigenous people who were murdered for their troubles is staggering.

Somewhere behind the desks in an office of Western Sky Financial on a Native American reservation, someone is LAUGHING hard as he collects usury-level interest on a loan while he waits on the borrower to default so they can simply repossess their country back.

If you don't like what you have here and how you got here, then leave. Otherwise don't even bother pointing out the "irony" about the situation. We are all apart of this, so if you want to fix what happened 200 and some odd years ago, just become a liberal. They are doing great at tearing down what people in the past have created for over two centuries. Both are seen as selfish. Besides, the "ex-British" didn't go without casualties in making their settlements.

Think of it this way, "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.”
- Winston Churchill

Go ahead, say Churchill as wrong.

[Origin]

Also, consider this, why shouldn't we send these people back to their countries to make their homeland better, instead of coming here like a cancer and making ours worse? They suck the economy dry in hopes of making a life better for themselves, without reprieve of us people here, while born here, have less rights than those who wish to (although unknowingly) destroy our system. We all have to work our asses off, and we get less rights than those who say "gimme, gimme.. gimme.".

They should be sent back, forced to wait like everyone else, or take steps to make their countries a more desirable place to live. Cowards, everyone of them.

[K_style]

What about all the people went though standard procedure and paid lots of money to come in this state including me which took more than 2 years for me ?

Well can I get money back ? WTF??

[oscarsx]

What about all the people went though standard procedure and paid lots of money to come in this state including me which took more than 2 years for me ?

Well can I get money back ? WTF??

you don goofed, should of jumped the border

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[K_style]

you don goofed, should of jumped the border

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Shoot... to me, it was the pacific ocean that I had to swim.

Wish it was that easy !

[MadScientist]

There is alot wrong with our country. Its currently in a Captialism/ Socialism balancing act, even though politicians will claim it will always be a Capitalist Country.

Most of the illegals coming into our country don't even understand the meaning of Capitalism. It doesn't mean "Freedom", most of the cards are stacked against you as an individual. We have to rely on the State, Corperations, and Businesses to protect our interest. If someone comes to our country they have to fight to get a green card, work visa, etc... This new Act doesn't let go of that, it simply relaxed the grip.

Bush pushed year after year to re-build the Great Wall in TX.
Bush was agaist Gay Marriage.
Bush fucked our Economy, and I swear to god if you don't believe that, your a fucking moron!!
Bush left his own country men to die after two, yes 2, Disaters.
Bush Bombed Iraq the week after he was sworn in...

I voted for Obama, and at the time he was the best option (H. Clinton was first choice) Now, Romney is the new Obama and Obama is in Bushs shoes... However the best person is the one who has been shunned and swept into the corner for his views, Ron Paul, I doubt he will win, but at least he is still an option!!!

[BustedS13]

Also, consider this, why shouldn't we send these people back to their countries to make their homeland better, instead of coming here like a cancer and making ours worse? They suck the economy dry in hopes of making a life better for themselves, without reprieve of us people here, while born here, have less rights than those who wish to (although unknowingly) destroy our system. We all have to work our asses off, and we get less rights than those who say "gimme, gimme.. gimme.".

They should be sent back, forced to wait like everyone else, or take steps to make their countries a more desirable place to live. Cowards, everyone of them.

so should we should send you back to whatever country your family came from? i have a feeling you're not cherokee.

[mantas]

Hey morons, 200 years ago immigration was much more lax so dont tell us we need to turn back the clocks because of something that was around 200 years ago. Back then we had slavery too, does that mean we should roll back the clock and start shipping in slaves from Africa again? We are a mature nation now and we learned from our mistakes, but that does not mean we will allow people to come in here like it was 200 years ago.

[holemilk00]

Just to end all these dumb ass arguments about the Native Americans, they were NOT the first people on this land, they took it from the Clovis people. So stop this crying bullshit about how white people stole the land from the innocent native people. They weren't Natives, they were just as guilty as the European settlers. Jesus Christ learn some history.

[Origin]

so should we should send you back to whatever country your family came from? i have a feeling you're not Cherokee.

You are having trouble reading. I told him to quit complaining because we all would be slain or deported if we REALLY brought that into consideration.

[hockeyrules]

There is alot wrong with our country. Its currently in a Captialism/ Socialism balancing act, even though politicians will claim it will always be a Capitalist Country.

Most of the illegals coming into our country don't even understand the meaning of Capitalism. It doesn't mean "Freedom", most of the cards are stacked against you as an individual. We have to rely on the State, Corperations, and Businesses to protect our interest. If someone comes to our country they have to fight to get a green card, work visa, etc... This new Act doesn't let go of that, it simply relaxed the grip.

Bush pushed year after year to re-build the Great Wall in TX.
Bush was agaist Gay Marriage.
Bush fucked our Economy, and I swear to god if you don't believe that, your a fucking moron!!
Bush left his own country men to die after two, yes 2, Disaters.
Bush Bombed Iraq the week after he was sworn in...

I voted for Obama, and at the time he was the best option (H. Clinton was first choice) Now, Romney is the new Obama and Obama is in Bushs shoes... However the best person is the one who has been shunned and swept into the corner for his views, Ron Paul, I doubt he will win, but at least he is still an option!!!
:bowrofl:, I wish more people would vote for him!

[word sux]

Socialism. Everywhere.




maybe if we were lucky...

[Origin]

maybe if we were lucky...

...What exactly?

[c72c]

Haven't we all been through history class? If you don't like the government's way of doing things, get on a boat, go to a foreign land, kick the people out and take it over. In 400 years, if shit is getting sour, rinse and repeat.

[mantas]

Haven't we all been through history class? If you don't like the government's way of doing things, get on a boat, go to a foreign land, kick the people out and take it over. In 400 years, if shit is getting sour, rinse and repeat.

Yeah lets just do what Hitler and the Japs did during WWII. Or lets drop more nukes on large cities.

You think the Coloniats are the only people that took over a piece of land? Gtfo out of here if you think this land was stolen. Thats how things work, dont want to benefit from it leave.

[Csomme]

I am all for believing whatever you want to believe and that everyone is entitled to their own opinions.

But at least get the fucking facts right. Too many mis-informed liberals in here.

[mantas]

Im just sick of people talking trash about this country. Yes our government is a bit screwed up but this country is not crap, if you dont like it you sissy liberals move to France or any other part of Europe and enjoy socialism but dont bring this country down with your failed economic proposals.

USSR = fail
Nazi Socialist Germany = fail
Cuba = fail

[TheWolf]

Hey morons, 200 years ago immigration was much more lax so dont tell us we need to turn back the clocks because of something that was around 200 years ago. Back then we had slavery too, does that mean we should roll back the clock and start shipping in slaves from Africa again? We are a mature nation now and we learned from our mistakes, but that does not mean we will allow people to come in here like it was 200 years ago.

Not as mature as people think. About 100 years ago congress was debating rounding up all african americans and shipping them back to africa because they're much smarter than they were and would bring civilization to africa because they would never hack it in america.

People, and congress, still have not grasped the basic problem of borrowing. 10 cents of every dollar uncle sam takes in goes to interest. If people are getting taxed at a 25% net rate, then it takes a lot of wasted effort, enterprise, and motion to support all of that. If we didn't have a national debt interest payment then college and healthcare could be free.

Congress can't agree on just spending what they take in, let alone spending less than they take in, and applying the excess to the deficit.

[EDT007]

Just to end all these dumb ass arguments about the Native Americans, they were NOT the first people on this land, they took it from the Clovis people. So stop this crying bullshit about how white people stole the land from the innocent native people. They weren't Natives, they were just as guilty as the European settlers. Jesus Christ learn some history.

Not to get off topic but you really shouldn't talk trash about reading and then state opinions.

"The so-called Clovis people, known for their distinctive spearheads, were not the first humans to set foot in the Americas after all, a new study says.

The find supports growing archaeological evidence found in recent years that disputes the notion that the Americas were originally populated by a single migration of people from Asia about 13,000 years ago."

Source: Clovis People Not First Americans, Study Shows (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070223-first-americans.html)

But to get back to the OP's topic. Everyone is missing the point. Stop acting like everyone in DC. This should not matter if you're liberal, democrat or republican. The fact is that Obama changed the rules (in his favor) to allow him to bypass anyone or anything to get what he feels done. How can this country still be called a democracy with such rules in place!? The definition of a dictatorship is clear: absolute, imperious, or overbearing power or control. To those who have not bothered to care or notice. THIS IS WHAT WE ARE NOW!

[tx240ss]

obama is trampling on the constitution... there is a executive, judicial, and legislative branch and they each have their powers... it's checks and balances... obama is using his executive powers to create new laws ( not his job)... his job is to protect the constitution (as per the oath of office) and uphold the laws of the land... He is making law... in this election year all he's trying to do is create a million new voters for him and his cronies.
Wake up America... Obama is destroying this country... VOTE ABO...Anybody but Obama...

Pros:
None

Cons:
Obama care will destroy our healthcare system
Obama's spending plans will bankrupt this country
Obama has no concept of foreign policy
Obama has appointed 27 new Czars... unelected officials to run our lives
Obama's energy program is a joke... billions in lost money in green (solar) industries and a hatred of nuclear, coal, oil and gas.... Windmills forever!!
Obama is a socialist by education, never had a real job, faked his college records, smoked dope throughout school, and still has not proved he is fit for office by birth.
Our military is at an all time low in morale, funding, and support... and they are all that keep us from being overrun by the Arabs, or hell , even the French!!Hell, he doesn't even know how to salute the Flag... he does the crotch salute... protecting his balls is more important than respecting our military or the American Flag.
We have no immigration policy.. first a fence, then no money for a fence, now we have cameras that they wave to on the way in.
We have no states rights... Arizonia can't even defend its borders from foreign invasion.
Obama has no economic policy... worst economy ever.. lies about unemployment numbers, lies about gdp numbers, lies about exports... anti-business record... wants the only growth industry to be the growth of government..
Trying to take god out of schools, monetary, etc, cuz as a Muslim he has non-christian views...

and the list goes on.

[sidewaysil80]

I dont give a shit about what happened in the past. I care about the present and the future. Illegals are sucking this country (which most of us live in) dry, and shouldn't be rewarded or allowed anything other then a swift kick in the ass back to their native country. If you want to come here to better your or your families life, do it the legal way. If not, tough shit.


EDIT:
God damn, the guy who posted above me is an idiot. Believe me I'm no fan of brobama either but your "cons" are ludicrious. My favorite is this one "trying to take god out of our schools because he's muslim and not christian" or "...military are only ones keeping us from being overrun by the arabs". Wait, wait, this is my favorite "military morale is at an all time low". Man Texans are whacky.

[mantas]

Not as mature as people think. About 100 years ago congress was debating rounding up all african americans and shipping them back to africa because they're much smarter than they were and would bring civilization to africa because they would never hack it in america.

People, and congress, still have not grasped the basic problem of borrowing. 10 cents of every dollar uncle sam takes in goes to interest. If people are getting taxed at a 25% net rate, then it takes a lot of wasted effort, enterprise, and motion to support all of that. If we didn't have a national debt interest payment then college and healthcare could be free.

Congress can't agree on just spending what they take in, let alone spending less than they take in, and applying the excess to the deficit.

Ok 147 years ago. So we are both wrong. My point is we should not go backwards. Borrowing and taxing has nothing to do with illegal immigration the last time i checked. Why change the subject? Oh yeah you're a liberal and changing the subject is your first line of defense against any argument or debate that you can not win.

[holemilk00]

Not to get off topic but you really shouldn't talk trash about reading and then state opinions.

"The so-called Clovis people, known for their distinctive spearheads, were not the first humans to set foot in the Americas after all, a new study says.

The find supports growing archaeological evidence found in recent years that disputes the notion that the Americas were originally populated by a single migration of people from Asia about 13,000 years ago."

Source: Clovis People Not First Americans, Study Shows (http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2007/02/070223-first-americans.html)


And you need to learn some reading comprehension. I didn't say they were the first ones here. I said the so called "native Americans" took the land from them. Which they did. So everyone can stop crying like they were the original owners of the land. They were not. What did I say that was an opinion? Please point it out. Also, your study talks mainly about central and south America having a culture and civilization before the Clovis people. Forgive me if I'm wrong but aren't we talking about North America, mainly the US?? If you dig deeper into the new findings it says that the Clovis people migrated across the Bering land bridge and spread south, and didn't come in contact with other inhabitants until deep into central America. Anthropology is a hobby of mine, I spend hours reading about all the new findings. There are studies out there that say aliens were here first. So I like to base my knowledge on more than one study finding similar conclusive data, rather than going off of one study, standing alone.

[VROOOM]

Obama has appointed 27 new Czars... unelected officials to run our lives


you do realize that Clinton appointed 8 Czars, Bush appointed 33 and Obama appointed 38. so technically you should be pissed at Bush, it seems Obama was just following his lead.

[EDT007]

And you need to learn some reading comprehension. I didn't say they were the first ones here. I said the so called "native Americans" took the land from them. Which they did. So everyone can stop crying like they were the original owners of the land. They were not. What did I say that was an opinion? Please point it out. Also, your study talks mainly about central and south America having a culture and civilization before the Clovis people. Forgive me if I'm wrong but aren't we talking about North America, mainly the US?? If you dig deeper into the new findings it says that the Clovis people migrated across the Bering land bridge and spread south, and didn't come in contact with other inhabitants until deep into central America. Anthropology is a hobby of mine, I spend hours reading about all the new findings. There are studies out there that say aliens were here first. So I like to base my knowledge on more than one study finding similar conclusive data, rather than going off of one study, standing alone.

To reply to your tangent. You stated that the native americans were not the first ones (which they weren't) and then you stated that they in fact took it from the Clovis people. That can easily be interpreted that you were implying that the Clovis people were the first. If not, then I digress. As for your comment not being an opinion, a lot of science is opinion. For every "study" that proves one things you have another that disproves. There is no conclusive evidence as to who the original "group" of people to inhabit North America were. I'll leave you be with your hobby and let the topic get back on track.

[240sxbaltimoremd]

obama is trampling on the constitution... there is a executive, judicial, and legislative branch and they each have their powers... it's checks and balances... obama is using his executive powers to create new laws ( not his job)... his job is to protect the constitution (as per the oath of office) and uphold the laws of the land... He is making law... in this election year all he's trying to do is create a million new voters for him and his cronies.
Wake up America... Obama is destroying this country... VOTE ABO...Anybody but Obama...

Pros:
None

Cons:
Obama care will destroy our healthcare system
Obama's spending plans will bankrupt this country
Obama has no concept of foreign policy
Obama has appointed 27 new Czars... unelected officials to run our lives
Obama's energy program is a joke... billions in lost money in green (solar) industries and a hatred of nuclear, coal, oil and gas.... Windmills forever!!
Obama is a socialist by education, never had a real job, faked his college records, smoked dope throughout school, and still has not proved he is fit for office by birth.
Our military is at an all time low in morale, funding, and support... and they are all that keep us from being overrun by the Arabs, or hell , even the French!!Hell, he doesn't even know how to salute the Flag... he does the crotch salute... protecting his balls is more important than respecting our military or the American Flag.
We have no immigration policy.. first a fence, then no money for a fence, now we have cameras that they wave to on the way in.
We have no states rights... Arizonia can't even defend its borders from foreign invasion.
Obama has no economic policy... worst economy ever.. lies about unemployment numbers, lies about gdp numbers, lies about exports... anti-business record... wants the only growth industry to be the growth of government..
Trying to take god out of schools, monetary, etc, cuz as a Muslim he has non-christian views...

and the list goes on.



I'm jw but how is he's heathcare plan dumb? And if they took god and religon out of everything, everything would be much better. Because honestly, if you believe there is a god, kill yourself and meet him now. Also, this whole thread is sooo much fail .

[Corbic]

this is exactly what came to my mind.

Touche mr obama.. touche indeed

Poor people pay taxes?


:picardfp:

[Corbic]

Can I get free Mexican citizenship?

[deolio]

all i have to say is:



open the fucking boarders you hypocritical cunts

fuck all you republican/liberal fucks. that's not what our forefathers wanted when this country was founded. bipartisanship is what is ruining america. don't blame it on the bitchass figure heads.

-white american-born male.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Just to end all these dumb ass arguments about the Native Americans, they were NOT the first people on this land, they took it from the Clovis people. So stop this crying bullshit about how white people stole the land from the innocent native people. They weren't Natives, they were just as guilty as the European settlers. Jesus Christ learn some history.

So should the Dinosaurs bitch and complain about the Mammals taking the planet over?

[fliprayzin240sx]

I'm jw but how is he's heathcare plan dumb? And if they took god and religon out of everything, everything would be much better. Because honestly, if you believe there is a god, kill yourself and meet him now. Also, this whole thread is sooo much fail .

Haha...he said Obama is Muslim just cuz he got a muslim sounding name. He's from TX so its okay to be ignorant. :keke:

[Corbic]

all i have to say is:



open the fucking boarders you hypocritical cunts

fuck all you republican/liberal fucks. that's not what our forefathers wanted when this country was founded. bipartisanship is what is ruining america. don't blame it on the bitchass figure heads.

-white american-born male.

Speaka Igrish?

Hypocritical? Lets see you fly to Japan or walk into Germany without documentation and become a Citizen the next day.

Fuck, walk into Mexico without documentation and become a citizen.

[deolio]

Speaka Igrish?

Hypocritical? Lets see you fly to Japan or walk into Germany without documentation and become a Citizen the next day.

Fuck, walk into Mexico without documentation and become a citizen.

those countries weren't founded by immigrants. wtf are you talking about.

[c72c]

Yeah lets just do what Hitler and the Japs did during WWII. Or lets drop more nukes on large cities.

You think the Coloniats are the only people that took over a piece of land? Gtfo out of here if you think this land was stolen. Thats how things work, dont want to benefit from it leave.

Do I need to mention every piece of land that was taken from someone to get a point across? Some of you just take shit too seriously. My sarcastic post was meant to say if you don't like it, get out or deal with it.
If you don't like the way something is being done, do something about it or shut the fuck up.
Make sense?

[fliprayzin240sx]

Fuck it, lets colonize Antarctica...heard its nice down there...

[Corbic]

those countries weren't founded by immigrants. wtf are you talking about.

Never heard of the Spanish Empire or Conquistadors?

This isn't the wild west, this isn't the industrial revolution. Get the fuck over that. Further more, "immigrants" of the past shed their previous national identity and alliance, most Mexicans in the border stares don't.


Once again, why should American be expected to grant free movement to Mexicans as well as citizenship and financial support - but Mexico will not do the same for Americans?

[murda-c]

I wish Obama would convert to Islam.

That would be interesting.

[BustedS13]

all i have to say is:



open the fucking boarders you hypocritical cunts

fuck all you republican/liberal fucks. that's not what our forefathers wanted when this country was founded. bipartisanship is what is ruining america. don't blame it on the bitchass figure heads.

-white american-born male.

pound it

So should the Dinosaurs bitch and complain about the Mammals taking the planet over?

*fist bump*

I wish Obama would convert to Islam.

That would be interesting.

http://i.imgur.com/qTQHR.gif

if you have any european ancestry, shut your fucking mouth about people coming here :)

[feito]

Never heard of the Spanish Empire or Conquistadors?

Further more, "immigrants" of the past shed their previous national identity and alliance, most Mexicans in the border stares don't.


English?? lol jk
bro, even nowadays there's a lot of Nazism in this country, not to mention a lot of other crazy beliefs brought from across the pond. And besides you like tacos.
Do u really think one day mexicans/hispanics will replace whites and blacks as the majority in welfare?

[Nickys13]

So me waiting in line for four years and applying for a green card means nothing? I had a 50/50 chance of coming here legally but i took the chance and came to the U.S. became a citizen and i love this country because ive been to other parts of the world. I think people need to come here legally so we can screen them and avoid having criminals hop the borders. I understand because of the geographical position we maily have hispanics come over the border and im sure most are hard working people but the fact is they come here illegally. Breaking the law is breaking the law, if you get caught you should be held accountable, whether its jay walking or coming to this country illegally. Think about it, should we just forgive all the criminals in our jails and let them out and let them have a second chance because they might be willing to be good citizens again? We need to stand our ground as a nation and uphold the laws in this country.

I would agree with you if the law was really inforced to its full extent, but its not. We are very lenient with a lot of shit now a days. A lot of it because we can't imprison every person who breaks the law, and if we did this country would be broke up the ass even more than we are now. Don't tell me youv'e never broken he law?...

[jvsc91talon]

People are so ignorant on this forum, i feel embarrassed for some of you when i read your posts.

If you don't like America you can get out - YouTube (http://youtu.be/xMOcyCLZHBQ)

[BustedS13]

Do u really think one day mexicans/hispanics will replace whites and blacks as the majority in welfare?

yes. they're going to be the largest ethnic group in America

[mantas]

I would agree with you if the law was really inforced to its full extent, but its not. We are very lenient with a lot of shit now a days. A lot of it because we can't imprison every person who breaks the law, and if we did this country would be broke up the ass even more than we are now. Don't tell me youv'e never broken he law?...

We have all broken the law but have we all murdered or sold drugs? I dont think so, there are plenty of laws we break that are really just a nuisance, but if you commit a felony its a whole different game. Im sure all of us have jaywalked but im pretty certain none of us have robbed a bank.

[hockeyrules]

We have all broken the law but have we all murdered or sold drugs? I dont think so, there are plenty of laws we break that are really just a nuisance, but if you commit a felony its a whole different game. Im sure all of us have jaywalked but im pretty certain none of us have robbed a bank.

So what your saying is all immigrants hop the border just to come here to commit murders and sell drugs?

Theres as many if not more white/black/natives that murder and sell drugs, so what exactly is your point?

If anyone should be sympathetic it should be becuase you have dealt witht the beuracratic bullshit of trying to get citizenship.(irc)

[mantas]

So what your saying is all immigrants hop the border just to come here to commit murders and sell drugs?

Theres as many if not more white/black/natives that murder and sell drugs, so what exactly is your point?

If anyone should be sympathetic it should be becuase you have dealt witht the beuracratic bullshit of trying to get citizenship.(irc)

No.

What im saying is jumping the border or overstating your visa and living here illegally is not as petty as taking a piss in public.

[Corbic]

No.

What im saying is jumping the border or overstating your visa and living here illegally is not as petty as taking a piss in public.

Exactly.

Overstay your Visa in any other country and see what happens. Sneak into most countries and see what happens. Its not "oh... he's just looking for a job".

Once again, I ask. WHY CAN'T I GET FREE MEXICAN CITIZENSHIP?

[Corbic]

yes. they're going to be the largest ethnic group in America

And look how well that has worked out for South America. :drama:

[Nickys13]

We have all broken the law but have we all murdered or sold drugs? I dont think so, there are plenty of laws we break that are really just a nuisance, but if you commit a felony its a whole different game. Im sure all of us have jaywalked but im pretty certain none of us have robbed a bank.

Passing smog illegally is a felony. Do you think people should serve time for that?... people cross the border illegally to have a better life. do you think they should be locked up for that?... Locking up people doesn't have a positive effect on society in turns inmates into hard core criminals and it makes guards into ass holes that abuse there power. Not only that, we pay taxes to feed criminals, to keep them sheltered and to have guards baby sit them. If you really beleive in helping the U.S you should want "felons" to be killed without trial because that takes thousands of dollars and small time "criminals" to be helped out and straighten out there lfe, so they can contribute to sosciety...

[Origin]

If Obama can sign into act amnesty for a given man can he throw another out because he doesn't like how he is speaking against him?

[mantas]

Passing smog illegally is a felony. Do you think people should serve time for that?... people cross the border illegally to have a better life. do you think they should be locked up for that?... Locking up people doesn't have a positive effect on society in turns inmates into hard core criminals and it makes guards into ass holes that abuse there power. Not only that, we pay taxes to feed criminals, to keep them sheltered and to have guards baby sit them. If you really beleive in helping the U.S you should want "felons" to be killed without trial because that takes thousands of dollars and small time "criminals" to be helped out and straighten out there lfe, so they can contribute to sosciety...

Ok this is really getting on my nerves when people dont read the thread and then post to some random post 5 pages into the thread.

I dont want the illegals crowding up our jails, they should be deported, and then they need to do things the right way. And i agree that our jails are overcrowded but thats why bails exist and we have a probation program for some criminals. Its not like we lock up everyone for breaking the law. Criminals dont contribute to society they are detrimental to society thats why some should not ever be released. And yes, anyone who is a mass murderer should just be executed like Timmy.

[cured13]

learn the language guys, this might be your next boss:)

http://theprofessionalhobo.zenfolio.com/img/v30/p910283610-2.jpg

Ok, don't shoot, just kidding!

[drivens13]

^Kidding? No, it's actuality.

In case you missed it...
Supreme Court mostly rejects Arizona immigration law; gov says 'heart' remains - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/25/politics/scotus-arizona-law/index.html)

[Origin]

I'd rather it happen by chance, but self-hating white men and liberals are forcing it to happen. Diversity.

[ineedone]

Not sure if this has been covered yet, but an understanding of the executive branch of government would be extremely helpful. Without going into to much detail... because yeah, the law, ew gross... the executive branch "executes" the laws. They have discretion on which laws to "execute" and in fact, do not "execute" every single law in the U.S. code. They also have this, gasp, discretion to decriminalize "criminal" acts. Further, immigration is a federal issue, in which they have full discretion on how to legislate, execute, and prosecute. Does that help?

[Origin]

Not sure if this has been covered yet, but an understanding of the executive branch of government would be extremely helpful. Without going into to much detail... because yeah, the law, ew gross... the executive branch "executes" the laws. They have discretion on which laws to "execute" and in fact, do not "execute" every single law in the U.S. code. They also have this, gasp, discretion to decriminalize "criminal" acts. Further, immigration is a federal issue, in which they have full discretion on how to legislate, execute, and prosecute. Does that help?

That branch doesn't create the laws. They sign them into effect. He created it, and executed it, without Congress. That's dictatorship power. That should help.

[ineedone]

That branch doesn't create the laws. They sign them into effect. He created it, and executed it, without Congress. That's dictatorship power. That should help.

By federal issue I meant the federal government legislates, executes, prosecutes. Executive orders are constitutional... don't get caught up in the talk radio brain vomit. The executive branch can choose to not prosecute if they so wish, like with DOMA, minor drug offenses, etc. Further, since you seem to be all up on the current events, if congress votes to hold AG Holder in contempt, they can choose to clap their hands, look at it, laugh with each other, than toss that into the garbage pail.

It is not dictatorship power to use your constitutional discretion in deciding where you use your resources. Not sure how you make the logical leap there but hey... go for it, but you are wrong.

[Origin]

By federal issue I meant the federal government legislates, executes, prosecutes. Executive orders are constitutional... don't get caught up in the talk radio brain vomit. The executive branch can choose to not prosecute if they so wish, like with DOMA, minor drug offenses, etc. Further, since you seem to be all up on the current events, if congress votes to hold AG Holder in contempt, they can choose to clap their hands, look at it, laugh with each other, than toss that into the garbage pail.

It is not dictatorship power to use your constitutional discretion in deciding where you use your resources. Not sure how you make the logical leap there but hey... go for it, but you are wrong.

It is using dictatorship power when you make the laws, and then sign them into action. Legislate, execute, and prosecute. None of which mean create. It is an abuse of power when you use these for your own advancement. That is a bit of a hairy situation though. Saying own advancement can be good or bad. This case, bad. Just like using an executive order to hide certain things about Fast and Furious. One is vexed.

[ineedone]

It is using dictatorship power when you make the laws, and then sign them into action. Legislate, execute, and prosecute. None of which mean create. It is an abuse of power when you use these for your own advancement. That is a bit of a hairy situation though. Saying own advancement can be good or bad. This case, bad. Just like using an executive order to hide certain things about Fast and Furious. One is vexed.

What law was created by the president? And how it is not an "abuse" of power when it is power you are constitutionally granted as the executive... and by "hiding" you mean using executive privilege... you know another constitutional grant of power... even Dick Cheney knows that shit is fine.

Stop listening to talk radio and thinking you are "learning" you have no clue what you are talking about. I am not even trying to be mean, you have no understanding about the stuff you are talking about.

[Origin]

What law was created by the president? And how it is not an "abuse" of power when it is power you are constitutionally granted as the executive... and by "hiding" you mean using executive privilege... you know another constitutional grant of power... even Dick Cheney knows that shit is fine.

Stop listening to talk radio and thinking you are "learning" you have no clue what you are talking about. I am not even trying to be mean, you have no understanding about the stuff you are talking about.

You have no idea what I am even saying, quit posting in my thread.

[ineedone]

You have no idea what I am even saying, quit posting in my thread.

Waahh... I made stupid point and got called out on stuff I don't know about...wahhh.

Your my new favorite e-terd. Every thread you post with a stupid premise, comment, thought... well just anything you participate in. I will follow, and god willing, make a comment that will send you into a rage so hot and burning that even the fire lakes of hell will envy your burn.

There can be only one Highlander.

[Phlip]

Waahh... I made stupid point and got called out on stuff I don't know about...wahhh.

Your my new favorite e-terd. Every thread you post with a stupid premise, comment, thought... well just anything you participate in. I will follow, and god willing, make a comment that will send you into a rage so hot and burning that even the fire lakes of hell will envy your burn.

There can be only one Highlander.

See, that is your problem... it is not that he is not making any real points, it is that people lack the comprehension are too liberal for our new favorite 23 year-old who seems to know it all.

[Origin]

What law was created by the president? And how it is not an "abuse" of power when it is power you are constitutionally granted as the executive... and by "hiding" you mean using executive privilege... you know another constitutional grant of power... even Dick Cheney knows that shit is fine.

Stop listening to talk radio and thinking you are "learning" you have no clue what you are talking about. I am not even trying to be mean, you have no understanding about the stuff you are talking about.

Stop listening to yourself. I really hope you aren't like this in person, the world doesn't need people like you.

I'll wait for what I have no idea I am talking about. He granted amnesty, he over stepped his reach. Eh?



Waahh... I made stupid point and got called out on stuff I don't know about...wahhh.

Your my new favorite e-terd. Every thread you post with a stupid premise, comment, thought... well just anything you participate in. I will follow, and god willing, make a comment that will send you into a rage so hot and burning that even the fire lakes of hell will envy your burn.

There can be only one Highlander.

Never met a more butthurt 26 year old in my life, hahaha. Please, close your legs, the smell is atrocious.

[ineedone]

Stop listening to yourself. I really hope you aren't like this in person, the world doesn't need people like you.

I'll wait for what I have no idea I am talking about. He granted amnesty, he over stepped his reach. Eh?

So granting amnesty is creating law? Yeah, no. Again (this time read it slower) point to a law the president has created. An executive order is not a "new" law, it is how the executive branch will carry out it's executive duties. But hey semantics.

And for bonus points, what did he overstep? Find me the part of the constitution (or shit any law, statute, reference, etc in the U.S. Code) in which he overstepped. and for extra extra bonus points - provide the correct blue book citation and I will give you a swell high five.


Never met a more butthurt 26 year old in my life, hahaha. Please, close your legs, the smell is atrocious.

Ha, I see what you did there! (you watched workaholics last night, silly bear). But... again, your logic is horribly flawed. Being butt hurt would not make my ass smell (and closing your legs would not stop the smell from permeating). However, I will correct the "slam" for you. Sir, your starchy vagina is filling this room with a musty wheat aroma, would you kindly cross your dainty twigs so that the rest of us may carry on.

(see because vaginas smell when they have yeast infections, but butts do not smell when they are hurt)

PS. Jesus would not use such language and be so mean. Satan is calling!

[Origin]

I know you won't listen, but I would like to know if in fact you have any cultural engagements that you are regularly invited to. You seem like the type of person at car meets, or parties, or whatever you may invite yourself to, that when you arrive the people appear to react most dreadful at the prospect. You are 26, you can ignore me all you want (but I'm right again), but you really need to find some sort of a social life, and a work life.

In before, "I get drunk at parties everyday bro, and work 12 hours", yeah, I'm sure. You don't do that and still find time to sit at a computer for for over an hour (in before I was doing stuff or on my phone) tracking my responses to teach me how, exactly, to be what not to be.

P.S. - The God stuff really isn't doing anything for me, nor is your "logic". Logic doesn't contain such ghastly language. I was saying, since you still can't comprehend, I was merely stating or implying that you act like a sullen female. Or are one, you're still genderless.

[Phlip]

I know you won't listen, but I would like to know if in fact you have any cultural engagements that you are regularly invited to. You seem like the type of person at car meets, or parties, or whatever you may invite yourself to, that when you arrive the people appear to react most dreadful at the prospect. You are 26, you can ignore me all you want (but I'm right again), but you really need to find some sort of a social life, and a work life.

In before, "I get drunk at parties everyday bro, and work 12 hours", yeah, I'm sure. You don't do that and still find time to sit at a computer for for over an hour (in before I was doing stuff or on my phone) tracking my responses to teach me how, exactly, to be what not to be.

P.S. - The God stuff really isn't doing anything for me, nor is your "logic". Logic doesn't contain such ghastly language. I was saying, since you still can't comprehend, I was merely stating or implying that you act like a sullen female. Or are one, you're still genderless.
Nowhere in your post do I see any response to a very specific set of questions you were asked...
Please re-read his post, I will quote it below, and respond accordingly.

So granting amnesty is creating law? Yeah, no. Again (this time read it slower) point to a law the president has created. An executive order is not a "new" law, it is how the executive branch will carry out it's executive duties. But hey semantics.

And for bonus points, what did he overstep? Find me the part of the constitution (or shit any law, statute, reference, etc in the U.S. Code) in which he overstepped. and for extra extra bonus points - provide the correct blue book citation and I will give you a swell high five.

[ineedone]

I know you won't listen, but I would like to know if in fact you have any cultural engagements that you are regularly invited to. You seem like the type of person at car meets, or parties, or whatever you may invite yourself to, that when you arrive the people appear to react most dreadful at the prospect. You are 26, you can ignore me all you want (but I'm right again), but you really need to find some sort of a social life, and a work life.

In before, "I get drunk at parties everyday bro, and work 12 hours", yeah, I'm sure. You don't do that and still find time to sit at a computer for for over an hour (in before I was doing stuff or on my phone) tracking my responses to teach me how, exactly, to be what not to be.

Bro, I party err day. If by party you mean study. Luckily, a lot of bar prep requires me to be on the puter re typing notes like a G. But I am slamming (enjoying) a nice bottle of wine or two. And well, I have a super fast internets connection so when you post its easy for me to quickly apply snarky comments.

As far as "cultural" engagements, what the hell is that? I live in a city, I kinda just hang out with whoever feels like playing ball, studying, or fighting (Bro I got tapout shirts too). My facebook is hella "cultural?"

P.S. - The God stuff really isn't doing anything for me, nor is your "logic". Logic doesn't contain such ghastly language. I was saying, since you still can't comprehend, I was merely stating or implying that you act like a sullen female. Or are one, you're still genderless.

Ghastly language? Ghastly does not mean what you think it means. How does having a smelly ass (you were talking about my ass, my girl does too, it is cute) equal being a sullen female? My comprehension skills are off the chart (I got the test scores to prove it).

[ineedone]

Phlip, I wonder how many times I could ask one question and not get a response that has any relevance to that question?

I have the over-under at 8

[Phlip]

Phlip, I wonder how many times I could ask one question and not get a response that has any relevance to that question?

I have the over-under at 8

What do I look like, some kind of sucker? I ain't taking that bet

[TougeLove]

You know what this means? you have to start your own business, go to school, and/or become really good at a trade. Those with high school diplomas will drown in the sea of immigrants that are "qualified" to work here.

America has become so lazy that those without much education and/or skill have been able to make it by....not anymore.

I have a question; what if employers made the requirements of getting a job to include obtaining a high school degree? It's legal to not hire someone based on their education so technically they can legally say no to all immigrants that do not have a US high school diploma. I am assuming the greater part of them do not have one. right? wrong? ethical?

[mantas]

Not sure if this has been covered yet, but an understanding of the executive branch of government would be extremely helpful. Without going into to much detail... because yeah, the law, ew gross... the executive branch "executes" the laws. They have discretion on which laws to "execute" and in fact, do not "execute" every single law in the U.S. code. They also have this, gasp, discretion to decriminalize "criminal" acts. Further, immigration is a federal issue, in which they have full discretion on how to legislate, execute, and prosecute. Does that help?

Ok since you are such a smart son of a bitch ill ask one question at a time. Why do we have an agency in the united states called ICE?

[mantas]

And answer one question at a time, you will see how dumb you are at the end of this.

[ineedone]

And answer one question at a time, you will see how dumb you are at the end of this.

You could just tell me how dumb I am right up front. I know it may not seem like I have a lot to do (on forum = not busy) but I am double tasking here. No need for a chase down a rabbit hole... ICE is under DHS, which is a federal executive branch agency.

[TrustS13]

Most arrogant poster of the year award goes to : Origin

[ineedone]

Ok since you are such a smart son of a bitch ill ask one question at a time. Why do we have an agency in the united states called ICE?

I know this is probably done in vein... but I am guessing you are going to go off on a rant how "doze mexercans dook er jerrrbbbs!" and are taking all your welfare and fun stuff like that.

To preempt your entire argument, I will (god please read) link to an article that is quite informative. It is written by Judge Richard Posner. Look him up, he is a conservative - but a smart one, like really smart. Anyway, this article explains the issue with the Arizona Immigration case (and the political celeb hack Justice Scalia has become). So, please. Read up. I read your other posts and well... you are sorely, and I mean SORELY misinformed. I am only here to help.

Supreme Court year in review: Justice Scalia offers no evidence to back up his claims about illegal immigration (http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_breakfast_table/features/2012/_supreme_court_year_in_review/supreme_court_year_in_review_justice_scalia_offers _no_evidence_to_back_up_his_claims_about_illegal_i mmigration_.html)

[mantas]

That article was the biggest load of crap. I learned ZERO from it, but it does sound like it was written by some kind a sissy liberal. I could make common sense arguments and not back anything up with facts and write crap like that all day long just about any subject. Anyways since you did not answer my original question im not even going to bother with you. You are a typical liberal and you are trying to avoid the question by changing the subject.

[ineedone]

Ok since you are such a smart son of a bitch ill ask one question at a time. Why do we have an agency in the united states called ICE?

... Here I will answer it... again. Because the federal government is the proper entity to deal with matters of immigration. Do not waste my time and just point me to whatever it is you think makes me dumb.

Here, I will pull out the important parts of the article since you does not learnz well.

"Of course, some illegal immigrants are criminals, and the Obama administration has decided to focus the very limited resources of the federal immigration enforcement authorities on catching and deporting the criminals. Focusing on them and leaving the law-abiding (law-abiding except for the immigration law itself!) illegal immigrants seems a defensible policy. And certainly state and local law enforcement can assist the feds in apprehending illegal immigrants who commit crimes (being in this country without legal authorization is unlawful, but, with some exceptions, it is not criminal); nothing in the Arizona decision prevents that."

"Arizona is only one of the states that border Mexico, and if it succeeds in excluding illegal immigrants, these other states will bear the brunt, so it is unclear what the net gain to society would have been from Arizona's efforts, now partially invalidated by the Supreme Court. But the suggestion that illegal immigrants in Arizona are invading Americans' property, straining their social services, and even placing their lives in jeopardy is sufficiently inflammatory to call for a citation to some reputable source of such hyperbole. Justice Scalia cites nothing to support it."

"As of last year there were estimated to be 360,000 illegal immigrants in Arizona, which is less than 6 percent of the Arizona population—below the estimated average illegal immigrant population of the United States. (So much for Arizona's bearing the brunt of illegal immigration.) Maybe Arizona's illegal immigrants are more violent, less respectful of property, worse spongers off social services, and otherwise more obnoxious than the illegal immigrants in other states, but one would like to see some evidence of that."

Richard Posner Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Posner)

ninja edit - I love that the picture for his wiki is from a federalist society event, what a pussy liberal! ha.
DAMN LIBRULS... being all appointed by Regan! ARGH! Don't be a terd, do some research.

[Walperstyle]

Nobody here realizes this isn't a bad thing. The government needs tax money... so its going to say 'hey, illegals, pay up'.

That is all this is.

[BustedS13]

Nobody here realizes this isn't a bad thing. The government needs tax money... so its going to say 'hey, illegals, pay up'.

That is all this is.

didn't you argue against marijuana legalization in another loud noises thread?

[ineedone]

Nobody here realizes this isn't a bad thing. The government needs tax money... so its going to say 'hey, illegals, pay up'.

That is all this is. ehhh... kinda

Citizenship, and trade, and exploitation, and fair labor, and boarder control, and crime, and terrorism, tax revenue comes somewhere near the end of this list. Important sure, but these "illegals" (remember being in the country is unlawful, not necessarily criminal) probably would not really contribute that much to federal taxes (other than sales, payroll, property, etc).

I like to think that the only reason most conservatives really do not want any type of immigration reform is because it really chaps their ass when they have to pay a citizen a fair wage when they can pay an "illegal" a slave wage. That always sucks hard.

[fyneyoungstunna]

If you don't like what you have here and how you got here, then leave. Otherwise don't even bother pointing out the "irony" about the situation. We are all apart of this, so if you want to fix what happened 200 and some odd years ago, just become a liberal. They are doing great at tearing down what people in the past have created for over two centuries. Both are seen as selfish. Besides, the "ex-British" didn't go without casualties in making their settlements.

Think of it this way, "I do not agree that the dog in a manger has the final right to the manger even though he may have lain there for a very long time. I do not admit that right. I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place.”
- Winston Churchill

Go ahead, say Churchill as wrong.

^ holy shit soap box and white hood much?

[fyneyoungstunna]

pound it



*fist bump*



http://i.imgur.com/qTQHR.gif

if you have any european ancestry, shut your fucking mouth about people coming here :)

Fucking WIN right there.
I suppose some of you fuckers cant even read.

http://wirednewyork.com/images/city-guide/liberty/liberty.jpg

"Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,

With conquering limbs astride from land to land;

Here at our sea-washed, sunset hates shall stand

A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame

Is the imprisoned lighting, and her name

Mother of Exiles. From her beacon hand

Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command

The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.

"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she

With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,

Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

The wretched refuse of your teeming shore,

Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,


Most of you that are against immigration, You punk ass 20yr old and below little fuckers WHO'S FOREFATHERS ARE ROLLING IN THEIR GRAVES, And the old ass ELITIST's and classist bastards who just want more land to RUIN for themselves.....or got beat up one too many times by a minority for your racist views. Need to learn to read and shut the fuck up. How Dare you have the audacity to try to decide who should be allowed to come into the country ,when, if your ancestors hadn't come over your dumb-asses wouldn't even be here.
How dare you SHIT on the many lives that were lost for YOUR very freedom...even though YOU yourselves are the KIN of Immigrants. I bet many of your family members were sold into slavery or beaten and killed by the very people you are trying so damn hard to be like...and hide behind the guise of wanting to PROTECT america. FUCK YOU. Go live somewhere else....

[EDacIouSX]

FUCK illegal immigrants. FUCK giving them amnesty too. We have enough AMERICANS without jobs that can clean our fucking bathrooms. And if Japanese people used to tend to our gardens then god dammit another fucking american besides a Mexican can tend to our fucking gardens too.

[fyneyoungstunna]

your post should say:
We have enough under educated Americas, that would rather sit on their asses and/or be homeless...and continue to complain about people taking THEIR jobs. Also, those same people could have gotten off their asses, put the joint,crack pipe,oxy, or insert random drug here) down and lined up for those jobs too. But, it DIDN'T happen. They were more content to complain about it than to do something about it. Plus lets face it, there are no WHITE Americas over the age of 25 that are jumping at the chance to pick fruit, mow lawns, clean toilets, etc. THAT's why they joint the military, because their sense of entitlement is too great to let them do "low" jobs like that. But, let someone come along that is willing to do those jobs, and all of a suddent its OH FUCK YOU THATS MY JOB and IM ENTITLED TO IT......
Yeah, fuck you and yours.

[ineedone]

FUCK illegal immigrants. FUCK giving them amnesty too. We have enough AMERICANS without jobs that can clean our fucking bathrooms. And if Japanese people used to tend to our gardens then god dammit another fucking american besides a Mexican can tend to our fucking gardens too.

Wait so Mexicans and Japanese aren't Americans? Do I smell some sarcasm here? (crosses fingers that this is real so that I can begin to berate someone new:x::yum:)

One question, what happens when someone who is not a citizen comes into this country and gives birth to a child? (**Spoiler alert** - the child is an American citizen. I know because I have one of dem constitutions and all). So if someone has a child that is a citizen of a country, yet they are not, what happens? Do you deport the parent and put the child in state/federal taxpayer funded shitty foster care (which is super duper expensive compared to just letting the poor bastards hang out). What about someone who was brought to the states, without their knowledge or any fault of their own because they are babies or young children, and honestly believe they are citizens? Are they "illegal" immigrants? Further, what does it take to be an "illegal" immigrant? Does their exist some legal test? Does being an illegal immigrant make you a criminal? I would suggest that sure, it is unlawful, but unlawful activity is not criminal (like jaywalking!). So yeah, if you can formulate some sort of (slightly) intelligent response to that I would be totally thrilled. Have fun!

[EDacIouSX]

your post should say:
We have enough under educated Americas, that would rather sit on their asses and/or be homeless...and continue to complain about people taking THEIR jobs. Also, those same people could have gotten off their asses, put the joint,crack pipe,oxy, or insert random drug here) down and lined up for those jobs too. But, it DIDN'T happen. They were more content to complain about it than to do something about it. Plus lets face it, there are no WHITE Americas over the age of 25 that are jumping at the chance to pick fruit, mow lawns, clean toilets, etc. THAT's why they joint the military, because their sense of entitlement is too great to let them do "low" jobs like that. But, let someone come along that is willing to do those jobs, and all of a suddent its OH FUCK YOU THATS MY JOB and IM ENTITLED TO IT......
Yeah, fuck you and yours.

Right... white people are lazy and feel entitled. OKAY, makes tons of sense. Thanks for pulling the race card on white people.

Wait so Mexicans and Japanese aren't Americans? Do I smell some sarcasm here? (crosses fingers that this is real so that I can begin to berate someone new:x::yum:)

One question, what happens when someone who is not a citizen comes into this country and gives birth to a child? (**Spoiler alert** - the child is an American citizen. I know because I have one of dem constitutions and all). So if someone has a child that is a citizen of a country, yet they are not, what happens? Do you deport the parent and put the child in state/federal taxpayer funded shitty foster care (which is super duper expensive compared to just letting the poor bastards hang out). What about someone who was brought to the states, without their knowledge or any fault of their own because they are babies or young children, and honestly believe they are citizens? Are they "illegal" immigrants? Further, what does it take to be an "illegal" immigrant? Does their exist some legal test? Does being an illegal immigrant make you a criminal? I would suggest that sure, it is unlawful, but unlawful activity is not criminal (like jaywalking!). So yeah, if you can formulate some sort of (slightly) intelligent response to that I would be totally thrilled. Have fun!

Um, hello... they are called anchor babies and those parents are not illegal if they give birth to a kid here. Duh? Do you even know the laws of your country?

Illegal simply means You are not here LEGALLY. What's so difficult about that? If you come into this country when the law CLEARLY states you are not allowed to be here for reasons x y and z, and you come here for reasons x y and z, then...?

To those that think illegals should stay here, seriously did you guys have a problem in school following RULES? Because this is no different, the rules are written in black and white. It's not a difficult concept.












OH And BY THE WAY, Illegals are not unskilled labor. Look at the construction industry or the plumbing industry. Skilled WHITE FOLKS are out of jobs because illegals come in and do that stuff for half the price. So you tell me, are illegals really doing jobs that "white" people don't like to do?

[fyneyoungstunna]

^oooh sand in your stink eye huh.
Tired of the race card but in YOUR lingo "immigrants" means Hispanics....
Not very many other races are against immigration...
members of the races that are against it could be viewed as "uncle toms"
I only use that word because the word im looking for escapes me in my old age (lol)
Race card...this whole thread was about race.

p.s. the construction industry was in jeopardy before the "illegals" came in. there was a vast lack of moral standing and "corner cutting". Before they stared hiring illegals they were hiring felons,cons, and people with records. Or it was run by certain groups for purposes on financial gain. Wanna try again?

[fyneyoungstunna]

Right... white people are lazy and feel entitled. OKAY, makes tons of sense. Thanks for pulling the race card on white people.

Its not a magic card, it has to come from some deck.....

Lazy: see slavery, indentured servants, working class,etc
Entitled: "If we cant control it,DESTROY it"
see: Rainforest, Reservations, Buffalo, Hiden tribes of the rainforest,Tootsie tribe, Indians, Tuskegee experiments, Masai, Bombing of black community in America, Rodney king,Trail of Tears, Mexican American war, etc.

Need more?

[ineedone]

First, thanks for being an idiot and entertaining me! Seriously, I appreciate your ignorance. I will admit, I am a bit salty (not at you, at the hellish beast named Barbri) so yeah.

Right... white people are lazy and feel entitled. OKAY, makes tons of sense. Thanks for pulling the race card on white people.

Boo freaking hoo. Full disclosure, I am a white kid. Even though I have had a somewhat shit life, still now half as bad as half my boys I grew up with. Merely because of my skin color and no other reason. It is a fact of life that because you are white, you will (for the foreseeable future) have a huge leg up on other minorities. So get off this white race card soap box unless you got a white sheet over your head, then at least you mean it right...

Um, hello... they are called anchor babies and those parents are not illegal if they give birth to a kid here. Duh? Do you even know the laws of your country?

The child is a natural citizen, the parent is not. Do you know the laws? No... no you do not. Federal immigration policy is to not deport the parent because it would be in the best interest of the child and the state to keep the family together. Further, because the President issued an executive order that basically says that if you are a law abiding person without a criminal record, you will not be deported because of your immigration status alone. Basically.

Illegal simply means You are not here LEGALLY. What's so difficult about that? If you come into this country when the law CLEARLY states you are not allowed to be here for reasons x y and z, and you come here for reasons x y and z, then...?

Again, that does not make you a criminal. It is unlawful sure, but unlawful behavior is not per se criminal behavior. I know this is difficult for some to comprehend. So easy example: Law says crossing the street in a non-pedestrian cross way is illegal, you cross the street in a non-pedestrian cross way. Now, does that action make you a criminal? No, of course not. However, is that action unlawful? Yes. Now lets take that a step further, how does a state/fed deal with unlawful activity? Well, they can overlook it, issue warnings, issue tickets, and so on. So to wrap it all up for you nice and neat, just because something is "against the law" does not mean that that action is "criminal" and when something is not "criminal" then is it really an issue? Boom mind just blown.

To those that think illegals should stay here, seriously did you guys have a problem in school following RULES? Because this is no different, the rules are written in black and white. It's not a difficult concept.

No, the rules are not black and white. I would like you to cite to me the part of the US code that makes this such a black and white issue. Further, because issues of immigration are a federal issue that is within the purview of the executive branch the executive may decide on what the immigration enforcement policy will be and how it will work. Again, what this all does is make the "laws" dealing with immigration extremely gray and extremely difficult for even seasoned immigration attorneys to understand. But hey, if you are the one expert in the entire country who can clearly explain immigration law lets see it buddy!


OH And BY THE WAY, Illegals are not unskilled labor. Look at the construction industry or the plumbing industry. Skilled WHITE FOLKS are out of jobs because illegals come in and do that stuff for half the price. So you tell me, are illegals really doing jobs that "white" people don't like to do?

Whoa there David Duke. You have a huge lack of understanding on why undocumented labor is being used. Trust me, none of them are asking to be paid less then a living wage. Their immigration status allows contractors (or the people who hire them, for any job) to pay them at a substantially lower rate then their documented counterpart. Further, because it is strictly cash it allows for the contractor (or any business) to make a much larger profit, reduce any liability, and not incur any of the tax liability, workers comp, etc that comes with hiring documented workers.

Look, I know you wont read of the crap I just posted. But seriously, calm down on the white power, and yes undocumented workers are doing the jobs no other documented, white, American will want to do. Here is just one of a zillion examples if you use that really hard thing called the internets and google - Crop Losses Could Top $1B (http://www.gpb.org/news/2011/06/23/crop-losses-could-top-1b)

[Akito86]

your post should say:
We have enough under educated Americans ( + the Moocher ones), that would rather sit on their asses or ( be poppin' babies) and/or be homeless...and continue to complain about people taking THEIR jobs. Yet living of welfare* for generations to come , which is money From people that actually have jobs and pay their bills and taxes.

Thank you
fyneyoungstunna and ineedone im glad there is guys like you in this forum with good smart sence.

I say if you come to work your ass off (which 90% of immigrants do) and earn your living, I say welcome, if you come to get breast feed by the US then GTFO

[Walperstyle]

America (and Canada) need to lose the sense of entitlement. "I went to school, I deserve a job near my home where I want to live".

Remember, its the 'pursuit of happiness' you have a right to. Doesn't mean you are going to get it bitching about how the government doesn't look after you.

Learn tax laws, form a corporation and get together with some friends to make something work. That is how successful companies work. Not all corporations are bad, but they do know how to avoid taxes legally.

[bardabe]

What about all the people went though standard procedure and paid lots of money to come in this state including me which took more than 2 years for me ?

Well can I get money back ? WTF??

^^^^ this :(

[drift213]

They should kick out all the immigrants and descendants of immigrants

America for native Americans 2012

So I believe you'll be in the same plane to tj look at your background unless you are a native American you can talk shit..... so fucked now thinking bout it huh?

[Banana_Cute]

Well, fuck it. I might as well wait with the day laborers in front on a Home improvement store!

[theicecreamdan]

I like how people have stopped qualifying "immigrants" with "illegal"

Good job America

[Origin]

I like how people have stopped qualifying "immigrants" with "illegal"

Good job America

Liberalism at it's best.

[upsdude]

What about all the people went though standard procedure and paid lots of money to come in this state including me which took more than 2 years for me ?

Well can I get money back ? WTF??

seems like thats the question the open border folks never want to answer

Sent from my DROID RAZR using Tapatalk 2

[mantas]

Liberalism at it's best.

You can say that again....amen.

[Phlip]

I like how people have stopped qualifying "immigrants" with "illegal"

Good job America

Drop the 'i' word? Debating the term 'illegal immigrant' - U.S. News (http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/11/12664426-drop-the-i-word-debating-the-term-illegal-immigrant?lite)
I am of the opinion that the term “illegal” is applicable to those who happen to be illegal immigrants. I could give less than a shit if it skews the argument in favor of the law. Conversely, I don’t like how NOT qualifying the difference between legals and illegals has led the conversation to the assumption that all immigrants are illegal.
So by all means, PLEASE qualify the difference with a very simple and easy-to-spell word, that is fine with me.

[slowvia]

I don't see what right people have to tell anyone else that they aren't allowed in "their" country.
I was born in America, sure, but my ancestors are immigrants. I don't know if opening the boarders is the answer (actually I'm not sure what the question is to begin with) but kicking human beings out of the country is definitely not. What's so terrible about helping people by offering them a safe place to live, and many opportunities for education and employment anyhow?

[upsdude]

in that case get rid of the fence surrounding your house, and leave your front door unlocked so people that need help can get assistance from you. and don't forget to leave food out on the table and some change in a jar so they have money to go buy stuff

[mantas]

in that case get rid of the fence surrounding your house, and leave your front door unlocked so people that need help can get assistance from you. and don't forget to leave food out on the table and some change in a jar so they have money to go buy stuff

Lmao. Never thought of it that way, but i guess its the same thing.

Its like walking into a liquor store and seeing a guy holding it up for the measly $200 in the register.

But you walk into a bank to deposit a check and some manager is pocketing money in the back and you are not even aware of it until you hear of it on the news.

Obviously you dont care about the liquor store owner getting robbed but if the bank closes its doors you get your panties in a bunch because your money was being held at the institution - even if its fdic insured money.

So anyone that does not pay taxes each month needs to stfu. None of you feel the pain in the pocket because obviously you dont pay for it, and if you do and still dont care about illegal immigration then you are a complete idiot and should just hand over some money to me - i can provide my paypal account for those that feel like throwing your "hard" earned money away.

[DrIvEsldEwAyS]

Doug Ross @ Journal: President Barack Obama's Complete List of Historic Firsts [Updated] (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/06/president-barack-obamas-complete-list.html)

[fyneyoungstunna]

NO you cant get your money back.
shut up. should have ridden in on a mule or some shit.
All kidding aside.

No, you cant get your money back.
Should join the fight to change the rules and call it "pay it forward"...unless your greedy. You're not greedy are you?

[mantas]

NO you cant get your money back.
shut up. should have ridden in on a mule or some shit.
All kidding aside.

No, you cant get your money back.
Should join the fight to change the rules and call it "pay it forward"...unless your greedy. You're not greedy are you?

What??

http://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/3132310/images/1228712405170.jpg

[ineedone]

Doug Ross @ Journal: President Barack Obama's Complete List of Historic Firsts [Updated] (http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2011/06/president-barack-obamas-complete-list.html)

What the fuck has Obama done so far? (http://whatthefuckhasobamadonesofar.com/)

I have fun links too!

[StryfeS13]

op is a rush Limbaugh fan

Sent from my DROID X2

Yes most definitely. Haha.

[jtmny1999]

And here I am trying to find a law that states its illegal not to pay federal taxes. Yet everyone goes to jail if they haven't paid lol.