whos got z32 brakes all around?

[clean]

did anyone do "the ultimate" brake conversion and do the rears as well as the fronts and the mc also. i was looking over the website here on it and was wondering how much it would really cost. it looks like the rear could be a pain and i searched all over to find the rear calipers and found some on ebay. it looks like i need some other stuff from the z32 also to complete the rears. i would love to do it, but im not sure if its worth it. the wheels i have now make my brake look weak and way to small, plus i would love the extra stopping power. i thought bout q45 but they seem to be harder to come by. i was just wondering who did it and how much and if the bling factor was worth it. im pricing it out and it seems pretty $$ for 4 lug, heres the website that i was looking at.

http://importnut.net/300zxbrakeswap.htm

[JasonNagra]

Mine will be done within 2 months. A member that i know who has the entire Z32 setup is "old S13".

If you want to do the rear brake setup and want to retain the e-brake you MUST use the Z32 heatsheild setup because within that is the drum brake setup for the e brake for the Z32. Also you will probably have to use the Z32 ebrake lines which will need to be lengthened. IMO it is a VERY worthwhile setup and it is worth the time because with the F+R setup w/MC you have very balanced brakes which is very important to me. This is what I will have very shortly. My .02

[phrozen]

the full brake swap can be done, you will need a longer cable for ur ebrake. i know a place out here in the bay that makes custom cables for ebrakes throttles and anyting that has to do with cable period, only charged me about 40 bucks for a enw cable and it was well worth it

[ryan hagen]

do you have to use the whole z32 upright for the rear or can u just use the heat shield part and make the ebrake work on a s13

[Kid Zelda]

do you have to use the whole z32 upright for the rear or can u just use the heat shield part and make the ebrake work on a s13
no need to use the z32 rear upright

[brianglawson]

if you use the z32 upright can you still use s13 aftermarket suspension components or do you have to use z32 rear shocks etc..

[Kid Zelda]

if you use the z32 upright can you still use s13 aftermarket suspension components or do you have to use z32 rear shocks etc..
You'll have to use a shock with a fork end, the type the z32 uses.

[DSC]

I'm supprised more people don't upgrade their rear brakes, especially with everybody running wider wheels in the back there is definitely more braking that can be done with those wheels than stock brakes are giving you. Especially once you upgrade the fronts. Unfortionately I haven't had a chance to do it myself but if I was going to do it, I would do the whole thing.

For anybody who has done it, how does it feel? With the upgraded mc and rear brakes in addition to the normal front upgrade can you modulate better or is it still kindof on-off like many people say just the fronts are?

[Kid Zelda]

I'm supprised more people don't upgrade their rear brakes, especially with everybody running wider wheels in the back there is definitely more braking that can be done with those wheels than stock brakes are giving you. Especially once you upgrade the fronts. Unfortionately I haven't had a chance to do it myself but if I was going to do it, I would do the whole thing.

For anybody who has done it, how does it feel? With the upgraded mc and rear brakes in addition to the normal front upgrade can you modulate better or is it still kindof on-off like many people say just the fronts are?

Front, rear, M/C... AWESOME .. :hsdance: imho
also not sure why a lot more ppl haven't done so, the money factor or maybe Intimidated of the job.

[WilloW]

the full brake swap can be done, you will need a longer cable for ur ebrake. i know a place out here in the bay that makes custom cables for ebrakes throttles and anyting that has to do with cable period, only charged me about 40 bucks for a enw cable and it was well worth it

Wow, could you please tell me where that shop is at? I would appreciate it very much. I was going to use Orchard Supply crimpers, but this is much better. Thanks again.

[clean]

yeah the only thing getting me to not do any brake upgrade at all is the $$$ it seems to be a waiting game to find good $$ on the parts cause buying from heavythrottle or pdm or whoever seems to much. thanks for the info so far guys.

[ryan hagen]

i ve got the front 30mm, and z32 master cylinder but what stopped me from oin my rear are hks damper IIs, as far as i know, i can't just swap the bottom shock casing with my hks's. my friend will have them all around, i ve been going over there to see if there is a a way i can use them and keep the ebrake. so far i havent found a way......but hopefull next time i ll take them apart more and see waht behind the dust shield.

i m thinking of useing the 3000gt rotor up grade....

[Kid Zelda]

i ve got the front 30mm, and z32 master cylinder but what stopped me from oin my rear are hks damper IIs, as far as i know, i can't just swap the bottom shock casing with my hks's. my friend will have them all around, i ve been going over there to see if there is a a way i can use them and keep the ebrake. so far i havent found a way......but hopefull next time i ll take them apart more and see waht behind the dust shield.

i m thinking of useing the 3000gt rotor up grade....

You can still use Z32 rear calipers .. doesn't matter what kind of suspension you have, you just wont use the z32 rear spindle

[ryan hagen]

the way the shock works is the hks that i have have a 240sx end, it a round tube style, where as the 300zx shocks have the forked end. i cant use the upright with out changeing my rear shocks, and so far if you cant use the upright u cant use the 300zx ebrake, and the u can use 300zx rear rotors, and calipers but you will have no ebrake.

[DSC]

Meh, just use 2 MC's for safety and park with your car in gear :) unless you need an e-brake for drift, hehe.

[Kid Zelda]

and so far if you cant use the upright u cant use the 300zx ebrake, and the u can use 300zx rear rotors, and calipers but you will have no ebrake.

HAHAHAHA ... so how did I get my Z32 calipers, rotors, drum E-brake w/ dust shield to work on my S13 ? hmm.. please tell me ...

[ryan hagen]

lol please tell me cause supsoedly you cant do it, scc , says you cant, most swap how toos say you cant

[Kid Zelda]

lol please tell me cause supsoedly you cant do it, scc , says you cant, most swap how toos say you cant
Ok, well .. why do you want to use the upright, other then the 3-4 lbs you save (not worth it) ?
If it wasn't clear, I did not use the rear upright.

Just use the Z32 n/a hubs with all the e-brake ish', easy..

[ryan hagen]

i dont want to use the upright, i was told the e-brake line mounts to the heat sheild and the shield wasnt transferable, so you would loose the e brake. if you could post or pm me, i m goin ou to looks at my friends rear stuff tonight so i can check, i m guessing the e-brake cable and mounts to the hubs not the shield portion? i always thought that the cable must ahve a stop on the shield if you "couldnt" use it with out it.

[s14unimog]

I have some 300zx front and rear calipers for sale with front rotors only :jerkit:

[Dousan_PG]

i have the full rear setup waiting to go on but im lazy

sooo
its really easy just a small fab work

i just havent had the time to complete it yet. blah.

[AceInHole]

e-brake... "small" fab work?? just very annoying...

[clean]

where did anyone get thier ebrake setup stuff? i've searched everywhere. i wouls imagine there is no way to use the stock s13 one seeing as its way to small.

[mbmbmb23]

the way the shock works is the hks that i have have a 240sx end, it a round tube style, where as the 300zx shocks have the forked end. i cant use the upright with out changeing my rear shocks, and so far if you cant use the upright u cant use the 300zx ebrake, and the u can use 300zx rear rotors, and calipers but you will have no ebrake.


The entire rear Z32 brake hardware (minus the too-short ebrake cable) DOES bolt up to the 240sx uprights....therefore you'd keep your ball mount (HKS) shocks. The rear Z32 uprights have the exact same female bolt holes as the 240sx uprights.



-m

[ryan hagen]

thats sweet, i just picked up a ebrake dustshield with ebrake assembly, and lines, i m getting some power slot rotors then i jsut need to pick up calipers. i also just ordered the adapter to use vr4 rotors, when i get my new rims and all this brake stuff done i ll take some picks......

[nightwalker]

I spent some time researching brake upgrades, and brake biasing, and have come to the conclusion that I will not be needing the rear Z brakes, so I will not be doing it.

[RanciD]

Hey sorry to bring up an old and busted thread but what do you mean you don't need the rear Z brakes? The 30mm front Z brakes won't screw up the bias with the stock 240SX rear brakes? From what I've heard it almost makes the brakes an on off switch because the fronts overpower the rear so badly.. is this wrong?

[SR_TeXaN]

what about taking a 300z rearend and bolting that sucker on a 240! (Not Likely but would be cool)

[kazuo]

Okay I have a question cus I have a headache...

I have Z32 Rear Calipers, Brake Lines and Rotors. That's IT. I want to install them onto my S13 and keep the ebrake.

What else do I need? I dont want 5 lug, and I dont want to use the Z32 uprights. Some people say I have to, some people here say I don't, the sky is blue and 1+1=2.

What is the deal?

[ryan hagen]

u need the dustsheild and drum ebrake assembly, and lines, then splice them in and u should be good. u ll need to drill you rotors to 4 lug though if u wanna stay 4 lug, the z rear hubs got a extra thing on it taht spaces it all out so on the big bolt portoin u ll need to use soem washers. i put a pic of mine all torn apart, the gloss black up right is form a s13, the shield has the ebrake cable stop on it and moutns the drum ebrake, next to screw driver to it.

[Dousan_PG]

mine is on when i stop being lazy
all ready just gotta get under there
the ebrake

easy to fix
my friend in FL made me the small part. sholud have it shortly. veyr easy. no lengthening he told me (has it on his s13 coupe already)

bolt on job

[AceInHole]

The z32 e-brakes will bolt onto the stock S13 or S14 spindle, as both the z32 and S13/ S14 use the same hub bolt pattern, and the S-chassis cars fortunately have the hole for the e-brake mount (convenient, eh?).

As for tying the e-brakes in, I found this was the best method:
http://www.engr.uconn.edu/~corrales/carsIM/panda/secret1/IMG_7676.JPG

basically, use the stock e-brake bracket and cable, then shorten the z32/ Q45 line. Remove the old bracket for the z32/ Q45 line, and place it on the shortened housing. Make sure to leave some extra cable so you can actually tie it in!! I used bolt cutters to crimp my wire ties. Cable clamps would work also, and there's enough room to get like three of them on each line. The ties I used were cleaner though. Finally, when doing this, make sure to let the e-brake cable slack out by adjusting it all the way out at the e-brake handle and pulling the line back to make sure you've got it all the way out on both sides, so that they're even (the splice for the stock cables to the single cable to the e-brake can pivot). Also make sure you get rid of the slack in the e-brakes themselves. Then you can attach the lines with a bit of slack, and simply tighten the cable at the e-brake handle to tension it. My e-brake now engages right at the initial pull, and gets as tight as OEM. For some reason it doesn't lock the rear wheels as easily though, but I think it's just the way I've adjusted the pads for the drums.

[FRpilot]

Okay I have a question cus I have a headache...

I have Z32 Rear Calipers, Brake Lines and Rotors. That's IT. I want to install them onto my S13 and keep the ebrake.

What else do I need? I dont want 5 lug, and I dont want to use the Z32 uprights. Some people say I have to, some people here say I don't, the sky is blue and 1+1=2.

What is the deal?

art, you dont have to use the rear z32 upright. just use the stock 240sx one. you dont have too use it. dont want 5lug? then use the same 4lug hub and redrill the rear 300zx rotor to 4 lug like many do w/ the fronts.

BUT, to have working ebrake, you must get the ebrake backing plate and either new cables for the drums or modify z32 ones. the 240sx stock rear calipers are single piston integrated calipers that engage w/ the ebrake cable and with the brake pedal hydralic system.

[TheSnail]

To share to whome it may consern, If you want the biggest brake upgrade, to my knowledge on a 240sx is the 3000gt VR4 brake upgrade. cost 70$ more then 300zx, but the are a crap load bigger, and 300zxtt use this as there own big brake upgrade, just think about how big that is to a 240. Any way, dont mean to change the topic, but I can share the the topic if you want..

[Dousan_PG]

To share to whome it may consern, If you want the biggest brake upgrade, to my knowledge on a 240sx is the 3000gt VR4 brake upgrade. cost 70$ more then 300zx, but the are a crap load bigger, and 300zxtt use this as there own big brake upgrade, just think about how big that is to a 240. Any way, dont mean to change the topic, but I can share the the topic if you want..

are you talking ONLy fronts or front AND rear
because this thread is about ALL corners, not just fronts

and is htis VR4 type the one you use VR4 rotors and z32 calipers?

either you are waaaaaaay off topic or you havent given enough information

[TheSnail]

The reason I did not give enough info is because I was off topic. thats what my last sentence says. Fronts only

[RanciD]

Hey Ace, I know you want to help me do this. :) Once my car gets out of the body shop I'm going to order the front Z brake conversion and master cylinder. To do the rear do I just have to piece together all the parts myself? It doesn't look like anyone sells the conversion together.

[kazuo]

easy to fix
my friend in FL made me the small part. sholud have it shortly. veyr easy. no lengthening he told me (has it on his s13 coupe already)

bolt on job

Can I email "your friend" (*nudge*) and ask him to make me the brackets too? ;) :boink:

[Dousan_PG]

i dont know if he'll manufacture them or anything.. he had no problem w/ his z32 rear brake (drum/ebrake) part
i have to see what the status is
people are lazy hahaha..

[AceInHole]

Hey Ace, I know you want to help me do this. :) Once my car gets out of the body shop I'm going to order the front Z brake conversion and master cylinder. To do the rear do I just have to piece together all the parts myself? It doesn't look like anyone sells the conversion together.

hit up a junkyard for the rear. I paid like $35 for both fully assembled rear e-brakes.

[ryan hagen]

heres the vr4, i gots it:


i got vr4/z32 front, z32 rear, dont have my ebrake hooked up yet, and have a 1 1/16" z32 master. the vr4 rotor is said to be 12.4 but i think more like 12.2.

[FRpilot]

To share to whome it may consern, If you want the biggest brake upgrade, to my knowledge on a 240sx is the 3000gt VR4 brake upgrade. cost 70$ more then 300zx, but the are a crap load bigger, and 300zxtt use this as there own big brake upgrade, just think about how big that is to a 240. Any way, dont mean to change the topic, but I can share the the topic if you want..

i was under the impression that the vr4 rotors are just about an inch larger and offer a little better cooling. i dont think braking is improved. also, the advantage of this is that it fills the gap more if you have bigger wheels. i was comtemplating doing this, but $100 for adaptor brackets and vr4 turbo rotors are kind of hard to find. most of the places i did find,were charging 220-260 for a set of front rotors. thats like $300 extra for bigger rotors for better cooling? i think i'll stick with $150 brembo rotors and call it that.

[clean]

who sells or where can i get 300zx rotors in 4 lug? anyone online, cause i cant find anyone round here that would do it.

[ryan hagen]

um betterleverage, more metal for absorbing heat/ better cooling, nope no better brakeing just looks :yum: