300zx calipers without the 5 lug conversion?

[Nismo240SX]

okay, i want better calipers, but i don't wanna switch to 5 lug. is it possible to use 300zx calipers on stock 240 brakes? what would be needed to be done? if you're going to post anything on go on and do the 5 lug conversion, don't post at all. thanks.

[Dousan_PG]

USE THE SEARCH MODE
z brakes have NOTHING to do with lug pattern beyond the rotor (redrill)

[Nismo240SX]

search isn't working here. neither is the gallery. I've tried to refresh but its not working for me.

[HiPSI]

to answer you you don't need to convert to 5 lug to make Z32 brakes work. you just have to get all the parts like the conversion lines/rotors/calipers/pads and make sure you have the rotors drilled for 4x114 lug pattern.

[No Motiv]

DO THE 5 LUG CONVERSION,
DO THE 5 LUG CONVERSION,
DO THE 5 LUG CONVERSION,
DO THE 5 LUG CONVERSION,
DO THE 5 LUG CONVERSION,

haha just joshn.... Hipsi is correct. weird

[omen2853]

yeah you may as well do the 5lug. first then worry about brakes. but if you dont want to and you have $1g floating around pdmracing has a brand new conversion package with the brake lines and everything thatll work with 4lugs. of course you could also buy used stuff, but i wouldnt trust used brakes...they should be able to save my life and i dont want to worry about it.

[Dousan_PG]

1K for z brakes

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
can you say SUCKER?!

[240Driver39]

so they paid more...can u say we dont care bout ur "hookups"....not sayin id pay that much, but get off it


the thing bout used brakes...um...my orig brakes are 130k miles old..i still trust em..so i fail to see the point there...

[Dousan_PG]

YOU DONT NEED FUCKING HOOKUPS!

hahah you people are suckers
there is the autozone method
there is the talk with the z owner method

i took the z owner method
front 100 bucks
rear 50 bucks

youcant beat that!
and they came FRESH off the car.

z guys LOVE brakeupgrades. it not my fault your too shy to ask!

[240Driver39]

i realize this...but if they want to spend the money, so be it...jsut tired of ur posts..."hahah i paid so much less, give me a cookie"

i paid 34 bux for a vlsd..cause they can be found rather easy and cheap if u look, same thing with zenki lip, $1.50, so i know ur point, i wouldnt pay crazy amounts for some stuff, but

hahahaha sucker posts get old after a while, some people just want it packaged, so be it..

[Dousan_PG]

no im not a fucking idiot to always end up getting ass raped.

packaged? wtf is wrong with you?
z brakes
buy ss lines from a online shop (90 bucks)
buy pads
buy rotors

wtf you need a package for?

i just trying to educate people to SAVE MONEY dont throw away your cash. good stuff comes to those who wait and hunt around. there's nothing wrong with that
why buy something 3 times the price when you can find it far less with a bit (hardly) more work???

if you havent noticed, 80% of the 240sx are cheap bastards. so why not help them find good deals then saying hey you paid too much but that's ok

no im saying hey try these ways and you'll get it cheaper. meaning you can buy OTHER stuff as well.

pay 190 bucks for a zswap insated of 1000
so you saved 810 bucks
now if you want to buy something else with that money you can

its just common sense. quit being a whiney pansy

[240Driver39]

rofl....whiney pansy? hahaha right, way to be a champ...

did i say u were? ever in any of my posts? the cheaper avenues have clearly been displayed, all im sayin if u actually read the posts, is that somepeople just want to shell out the extra money for someone to do most of the work for them...did i say u do? no...do i? hell no...thats all im sayin, jesus...calm the hell down...

im done, back to the thread...dont want to clog these boards up nemore then they are already lately, thanks

[No Motiv]

dude Dousan has a good point. and im not trying to offend you but do you really need a brake upgrade that expensive? Are you so good at driving that the used brakes arent good enough for you? I mean its up too you, do what you wanna do, but im just gonna give you my 2 cents....go with used 300zx brakes and start from there onto more upgrades, you wont regret it. I would do the 5 Lug but you obviously dont want to. but then again thats just me..... NOW BOTH OF YOU GO TO YOUR ROOMS, YOUR NOT GETTING DINNER TONIGHT!!!!!!!!!..ahhh memories

[andrave]

and for the guy who said he didn't trust used brakes... well, that is what is on your car now....
of course.

[omen2853]

by the way guys i never bought these 1g brakes from them, i was just giving ideas.he wanted to know if you can have z brakes with 4 lug, i said yes and gave an example...

nomotiv: i would rather buy new then used so i dont have to buy used, then run them for awhile, then buy new. id rather do it right the first time. just my way of doing things.

andrave: my brakes, pads, rotors, and lines are new just not z brakes. i dont have the money now nor will i for some time to buy a good set of brakes. and even if i did i still have suspension stuff to buy.

[240Driver39]

not sure if this is clear...but theres no way id personally pay that much...haha

im all bout...upgrade when needing so or givin the oppurtunity...


and im east coast, already ate my dinner haha, i guess no snack for me... :eek:

[brianglawson]

i just say go for the endless 6 piston kit...bwahahahahaha

hey ryan i think heavy throttle sells the rotors for the conversion already drilled for 4 lug

[240Stilo]

You should really use the search. But, an issue with the 300zx brakes is the mushy pedal feel when you don't upgrade the Master Cylinder along with the brakes. So that's extra $$$.

If you really want to be cheap about it and get all the stopping power you need go to a parts store and buy 1995 q45 rotors/ calipers/ pads. You won't need to buy conversion lines with this upgrade or worry about rebuilding calipers OR worry about a mushy brake pedal. I would say you would be around $200 poorer after this. This is of course after you return your core. You will need to find someone with access to a drill press to redrill your rotors. Also, it will help if you give them a 4 lug rotor as a template. And if you want to be Mr. Fancypants and spend more....go ahead and get yourself a 4 piece Stainless Steel brake line kit, which is around an extra $120.

You should be set on what you want now. Let us know what you get and if you run into problems. If you got more questions, search. Good luck. :bigok:

[Zemus]

The AutoZone is the best to fuck over, im doing that when I do the Q45 Brake upgrade, should end up being 200$s with rotors and SS brake lines

[AceInHole]

You should really use the search. But, an issue with the 300zx brakes is the mushy pedal feel when you don't upgrade the Master Cylinder along with the brakes. So that's extra $$$.
i got a z32 MC for $20 at a junkyard.

If you really want to be cheap about it and get all the stopping power you need go to a parts store and buy 1995 q45 rotors/ calipers/ pads. You won't need to buy conversion lines with this upgrade or worry about rebuilding calipers OR worry about a mushy brake pedal. I would say you would be around $200 poorer after this. This is of course after you return your core. You will need to find someone with access to a drill press to redrill your rotors. Also, it will help if you give them a 4 lug rotor as a template.
I did the Q brakes, all 4 corners including E-brakes for $220. I was lucky and the car I pulled everything off of had new rotors and pads on it (new Nissan pads to boot). When it was all said and done, the brake pedal was mushy enough that I didn't like it, and went out and got a z32 MC (17/16", which is overkill for the Q brakes). With just the fronts changed it isn't bad, though.

As for redrilling... I did it by hand and never had problems. The drill press we had at the time was too weak.

[240Stilo]

As for redrilling... I did it by hand and never had problems. The drill press we had at the time was too weak.

Haha....That's a mighty strong hand you got there Hercules.

[Zemus]

i got a z32 MC for $20 at a junkyard.


I did the Q brakes, all 4 corners including E-brakes for $220. I was lucky and the car I pulled everything off of had new rotors and pads on it (new Nissan pads to boot). When it was all said and done, the brake pedal was mushy enough that I didn't like it, and went out and got a z32 MC (17/16", which is overkill for the Q brakes). With just the fronts changed it isn't bad, though.

As for redrilling... I did it by hand and never had problems. The drill press we had at the time was too weak.

Do you have a write up on this by chance, if so can you eather post it up or PM it to me, thanks

[weirdstyles.net]

good to see we're all still loving here...

My whole deal about brakes is as sutch, if my current brakes can lock up my tire when brearking hard; then I dont need a better brake system, I need better tires. When I can haul ass on my brakes and not brake traction, then I need a better system.

So whats your reason for upgrading?

[ryan hagen]

to drill out the 5 lug rotors to 4 lug, take one of your front hubs off, take 3 wheels studs out, then take the 5 lug rotor and put the hub on it, put the stud in one hole, and then move it around and make sure you got it staright and flat, (mainly i checked to make sure i wasnt half over another hole, but i dont think because of the spaceing you ever can be), then put a lug nut on that 1 stud, and i think i used a 1/2" drill bit and just drilled the other 4 holes, it took 10 min, and cost $8 for a tuff drill bit, and i did it on my neighbors drill press..................by useing your stock hub the pattern will be perfect, and because the 5 lug pattern is 4.5" or 114.3 the new pattern will work out perfect as you are only needing 3 new holes.............mine work perfect

[ryan hagen]

"[QUOTE=weirdstyles.net]good to see we're all still loving here...

My whole deal about brakes is as sutch, if my current brakes can lock up my tire when brearking hard; then I dont need a better brake system, I need better tires. When I can haul ass on my brakes and not brake traction, then I need a better system."

...then your pushing the pedal too hard, bigger brakes are to reduce stopping distance and reduce brake fade.........i can lock the brakes on my old grand am but after a day of drieing in wausau and on and off the brake, they stop working......fadein out.....tiny brakes on a big car fade from heat, wrecks the pads and they get nasy layer on the pad, but better rotors and pads can also help, but bigger breaks that are 4 piston are better.

[weirdstyles.net]

small pads on a big car?

Comparing weight and pad size to lets say a Civic, the 240 is lighter and has a larger brake pad. I dont see the valid reasoning behind swapping to a larger setup unless you are racing the car.

Its like this car in my shop lastnight. Had slotted rotors and EBC pads on it. Whats the point of having that on a street car? (a Cavalier non the less)

[typhoonslippery]

this brake kit had better be tip top to warrant a price like that ...
$200-$300 tops for the upgrade I am finding

[ryan hagen]

a cavy, uses the same brakes as my old grand am, or least the 95 up cavy i got my slotted rotors and ebc's from but i think its lighter than my G/A but the G/A had alot of brake fade, and i m sure it was only a couple miniutes or miles more and the cavalier would too....i got my whole swap when i needed new rotors and pads and one caliper went out (as soon as i bought the car) and got power slot rotors from ebay for 250, the calipers for 200, lines for 80, project mu pads for 75, most of these prices are similair for the 240 parts i had to replace, with the calipers costing more and the rotors being like 50 more.........and i got the master for 50, i like em alot better feel....and they look alot better to the stock rusty 12 year old calipers, and when i was at nissan b.s. ing with one of the mechanics, he said rebuilding a caliper isnt that hard, he showed me a rebuild kit he had for their race truck......

[sykikchimp]

I don't believe brake upgrades do anything to decrease your stopping distance. available traction does.

I have 300zx brakes for the additional fade resistance.

[weirdstyles.net]

Fade resistance I can understand, maybe upgrades dont fit into my daily grind. But the new uber secret project will warrant some very large brake plans...

LARGE being the keyword

cliff notes: secret, LARGE, keywords...