The fight against the stolen 240s epidemic

[EnemyS15]

So I troll the forums on boring days and frequent the Stolen goods section. It fucking blows to read constant and new posts about 240s getting robbed under the noses of its owners, with very few recoveries. Unfortunately thieves will take what they want, when they want, and there's not much we can do besides arm ourselves with best defense against thieves, The Garmin Gtu-10 personal tracking device. Alarms and quick releases all provide a strong deterrent, but it seems that thieves are getting smarter and smarter with the times. What we owners need is a secondary defense in case the first line fails. Having a personal tracker does not prevent vehicles from being stolen, but helps recover within hours.

By Setting up your "grid" to your residential block, once thieves leave that grid, with your ride, the live tracking is at your fingertips and shows real time tracking.

I am currently talking with some folks from Garmin to see about getting a Zilvia group buy for the Garmin Gtu-10 and the 12v wire (to wire a constant bat signal).

Who would truly be interested in this package deal? I think this is the best investment to ensure RECOVERY of your hard work and prized 240. I have it on my 240 and honestly do not have any worries about my 240 being stalked and taken from me. If the car is taken, I will have the cops on the line with turn by turn directions to intercept within minutes. The thieves won't have a chance to park it. This is hands down, THE BEST INVESTMENT for security, aside from my Auto Innovatio key less smart system.

We are not yet close to talk about prices since Garmin typicaly sets up deal like this in corporate accounts. But gauging interest will help the cause.

The more interest the easier it will be to sell this idea.

Thieving bastards will always plague the car community, we just gotta get hip to their methods and one-up them! Let's take the fight to the next level. More recoveries means more arrests, more arrests mean less of these assholes around our rides.

Here is a review of the GTU-10 and how it works.
http://gpstracklog.com/2011/06/garmin-gtu-10-gps-tracker-review.html

[Bubba]

Very interesting idea, but most of us are extremely broke because of the time and $$ we spend on our cars. If I could afford this option now I would jump on it.

[EnemyS15]

regular pricing is around 170-190 range. You can probably find it cheaper if you search enough. This is to protect your investment. I postponed buying some random parts and bought this. It is doable, without the group buy. Doing the group buy thing will bring the price down and help the community out 10 fold.

[nismoracingsx]

what happens if they rip that little tracking box out, or disconnect the battery?

[roboticnissan]

Get a price per 10 buys so ppl can see what they re really looking at. Ive come up with clever ways similar to.this with cell phones to kepp my car protected.

[EnemyS15]

what happens if they rip that little tracking box out, or disconnect the battery?


battery life without the 12v constant is around 24 hours plus, depending on the mode you have selected.

I have mine wired along the dash harness(tucked away by the ac box)... if they want to rip it out, they need to rip the dashboard out. Plus who will think about hunting for a garmin personal tracker SOMEWHERE in the car? You can wire it to a constant ground in the body harness or by the trunk, ANYWHERE! If they are keen to the idea, they will be spending more time hunting for it and less time driving off with your car. The gone in 60 seconds, now turns into gone in maybe 15mins..

[s14unimog]

what happens if they rip that little tracking box out, or disconnect the battery?

I'd say that's on the installer. I wouldn't put it in a place that begs, "hey, what's this?"

I'm interested. Hell I might just skip the GB and get one coming; lol

[KravingAKouki]

Dont get me wrong, because by no means do i think this would be great, but i think the people that dont protect themselves and their shit then they are opening themselves up for getting it stolen. I think they will be cheap and spend money on mods because they are cheap just my .2

[Pinggg]

Sounds like a good idea, i might be interested.
Keep us posted OP.

[89JDM240sx]

Umm... Trust me I know a thing or to about car thieves! Living in Newark you become creative about way of keeping your car....

#1 DONT TELL ANYONE ABOUT YOUR SETUP ONE FORUMS!!
YOU NEVER KNOW WHO IS LOOKING AT WHAT YOU POST!

Also boots/wheel locks... They work well take your lock to a place of welding and drill out the original key hole and weld it close... Then drill a new hole for heavy duty industrial padlock

Another method is to add a Padlock to the steering column inside the car under the dash...

Then you have your steering wheel removal, computer...

IMO the Garmin is a good idea but thieves over move quick by the time you actually find the car it is already stripped... I can't say for anybody else that's how it is here

[EnemyS15]

lol, I am honestly not worried about who see's what I post. Don't mistake my confidence for arrogance, no one knows who I am or where I am in this big city.

This system helps track your car within seconds. This is about RECOVERY, not prevention. What you mentioned was theft prevention. This is about what you do when your boot, pad lock, steering wheel, ecu pull all failed because the thieves used a flatbed tow truck to take your Fort knox'd 240. Instead of sitting around pissed off, posting threads in a forum HOPING for someone to say "hey I saw it driving down the road a few nights back" (which realistically does nothing to help retrieve your car), or downing a 12 pack cause your QQ'ing depressed, you can DO SOMETHING.

I have my car covered, this is something I am attempting to do to help those who
1 - are not cheap
2 - see the value in protecting their investment
3 - are interested

[89JDM240sx]

lol, I am honestly not worried about who see's what I post. Don't mistake my confidence for arrogance, no one knows who I am or where I am in this big city.

This system helps track your car within seconds. This is about RECOVERY, not prevention. What you mentioned was theft prevention. This is about what you do when your boot, pad lock, steering wheel, ecu pull all failed because the thieves used a flatbed tow truck to take your Fort knox'd 240. Instead of sitting around pissed off, posting threads in a forum HOPING for someone to say "hey I saw it driving down the road a few nights back" (which realistically does nothing to help retrieve your car), or downing a 12 pack cause your QQ'ing depressed, you can DO SOMETHING.

I have my car covered, this is something I am attempting to do to help those who
1 - are not cheap
2 - see the value in protecting their investment
3 - are interested

Understood

[240o'clock]

Count me in .. ill get one put me on the list and let me know how much it will be ill send the payment asap!

[crayzwhiteboy]

im interested make sure to pm me when you find an actual price please

[fliprayzin240sx]

Your best weapon against car theft....


http://www.buildgaragecost.com/images/garage-door.jpg

My mentality is considering how slow cops respond to shit like this, by the time you get to your car, its probably stripped already. And my ass busting into a chop shop is probably the worst idea I can come up with during my fit of rage.

[GhostlyCoupe]

These are great devices.

My own personal experience.. I had a similar device (AccuTrack) with real-time tracking in my previous car which was a 78 Corvette.

Came out from my apartment one day and it was gone, got my girlfriend up hopped on my iPhone and told her to drive and explained the tracker. Luckily, the guy was driving it around town like a tool so we just kind of followed the car around until he decided to stop. He pulled into a QT gas station to go do who knows what. I looked in the car to see what he did, luckily since it's an old GM he just hammered a screwdriver into the ignition and turned it on that way. So I go around, hop in and start it up. I wait for the guy to just come out of the front door, flip him off and yell "Next time, you're a dead man"

The real ironic part is as I was driving off, I could hear him yelling "someone call 911, that guy just stole my car!"

Living in an open carry state has it's advantages.

Back to the point, these really are an invaluable tool for recovering your car BEFORE it gets stripped. This device includes a year of tracking which is beyond incredible (I paid $24.99 per month for mine).

[Hoffman5982]

^It would have be near impossible for me to be that nice.

[Schwiegz]

Not to steal your thunder here so dont take this the wrong way.

I do sell viper, compustar and autostar alarm, alarm/starter combos.
If anyone is interested (I work at Visions up here in Canada) we can figure out a way to get everyone prices on specific units.

PM me with any questions or comments, I can get virtually any model that those 3 companies carry.

Im just here to try and fight the good fight to :)
Eh?

[sterlinge]

Get a price im down...

[S_13_Sr.]

i've personally have spoken to ppl whose cars were taken from a garage and as far as gps tracking... you can get one of these of ebay for $20 and it will block any gps signal...

your best bet is to be creative and different from everyone else... when my car was broken into (3 times) they had a remote for my alarm on my car and were able to unlock it from down the street what stopped them were the multiple kill switches and double key ignition that they couldn't figure out...

http://img.alibaba.com/wsphoto/v0/402752810/free-shipping-MINI-GPS-JAMMER-prohibits-all-GPS-enabled-device-from-tracking-your-current-location-.jpg

[snofufu]

Im down! Get armed to the teeth against these bastards
Also send me a pm with the price ;)

[Silvia352]

i've personally have spoken to ppl whose cars were taken from a garage and as far as gps tracking... you can get one of these of ebay for $20 and it will block any gps signal...

your best bet is to be creative and different from everyone else... when my car was broken into (3 times) they had a remote for my alarm on my car and were able to unlock it from down the street what stopped them were the multiple kill switches and double key ignition that they couldn't figure out...

http://img.alibaba.com/wsphoto/v0/402752810/free-shipping-MINI-GPS-JAMMER-prohibits-all-GPS-enabled-device-from-tracking-your-current-location-.jpg

not saying much, but this jammer antenna has to be in the same location as the GPS tracking unit. if the GPS tracker is mounted outside of the car the jammer will not jam its signal, in order to jam it has to have no interference.

[S_13_Sr.]

They intalled gps units on our work vehicles to monitor our speeds and one of my buddy's has one of these so he doesn't get fired for speeding if he's next to me 15ft my garmin won't work.

[shaggy sr]

ravelco theft system IS all u need

[godrifttoday]

Park several cars in back of the car.... Easy

[ixfxi]

keep modifying your cars and parking them on the STREET

real smart guys.

garage or bust, no other options.

[EnemyS15]

Ravelco is great, but again.. this is about recovery. Ravelco stops them breaking into the car. Doesn't do anything g if the car gets hitched or loaded to a flatbed.

[Turbo Nismo]

Subscribed! I'm interest also.

[nismoracingsx]

Threads like this are why i'm glad I live on a military post, lol. Locked gates after 9p, gotta love it.

[KiLLeR2001]

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[marco22]

great idea its like on star.. put a lock on it:lockd:

[Silvia352]

i like this GTU model for many reasons. as stated, its about the recovery of your car.

this seems to be a pretty effective method, and if all of its advantages are used in your benefit you have great odds to a quick recovery.

[KravingAKouki]

I have a suggestion that would seem like a good idea, a cool application, and a theft protection device all in one. If you are subscribed to super street magazine and have been since april 2011 then youll know what im talking about. In the april 2011 article there is a 1998 burgundy kouki and the owner is Murray Hersh. He has created a RFID (radio frequency Identification) based security system that is spidered into the efi harness, which wont allow the ecu to run until the rfid card is scanned over the center console. Now this design may seem dumb at first, but if you think about it it is an awesome way to protect your stuff, and each card has a different scan id so no copies can be made by just anyone

[KiLLeR2001]

^ I guess people dont understand the concept of flatbeds hauling your car away.

[yurisfriendevan]

I am surprised no one has brought up the times when people come out of work or out of the store and find their car stolen. Also a garage is not always available for everyone. We come from different walks of life and many different financial situations, count me in for one of these because my my rx7 has more in it then the 3k my insurance company will pay me for it.

[S141S]

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[KravingAKouki]

^ I guess people dont understand the concept of flatbeds hauling your car away.

^ I guess people dont understand that flatbeds have a loud ass beeping noise when they are in reverse, and that they would be a complete dumb fuck if they didnt do it, especially when people wont use flatbeds in a common area...:mrmeph:

[DM Sims]

^ I guess people dont understand that flatbeds have a loud ass beeping noise when they are in reverse, and that they would be a complete dumb fuck if they didnt do it, especially when people wont use flatbeds in a common area...:mrmeph:

Haha, There has been flatbeds that have pulled up on cars in grocery store parking lots and within 5mins the car is gone. People around the area don't question whats happening. They assume it's a broken down car or repossession.

Any car thief with a flatbed has a switch to disable the reverse alert noise for the late night neighborhood thefts.

Your best bet is multiple kill switch's hidden throughout the car. Get creative with placement, so when they find the obvious 1st or 2nd they won't find the clever 3rd or 4th. Kill switches and locking wheel hubs are your best bet. A garage only helps if you make sure no one follows you home. You can never be too cautious, remember what your neighbors drive and if you feel like you're being followed doing something foolish like pass the turn in to your neighborhood and take the next turn or flip a u. 2-5min of extra driving can save you the multiple hours you've put into your car. Most of these bastards will see you at events or while they're driving and will follow you.

If you have to park on the street, multiple kills are a must. They are cost effective and only take 30-60min to install.

get clever, the best defense is 10x better than the polices offense. The longer they have to stay in your car trying to figure it out the better chance someone will notice. Let your neighbors know you're worried about your car, give them your number and ask them to call you at anytime if they notice anything. As far as roadside parking and flatbeds, you can get locks that will clamp your parking brake cable so you can't release it. It'll be suspiscious seeing a tow truck dragging a screeching car onto its bed. If you park in a parking lot park next to nice cars close to the store instead of far in the back alone. I know you're afraid of dings but if you're really scared of theft take every measure and use your best judgement. A nice kept car shows that its owner has respect for it and probably has more respect for the other cars around him than some ratty accord or escort :keke:

[Hashiriya415]

Just give a weapon to old lady and tell her, this will make you feel younger then ever, when you see someone steeling my car, blow them away granny.
http://terpsboy.com/blogger6/machinegun-granny.jpg

[KiLLeR2001]

^ I guess people dont understand that flatbeds have a loud ass beeping noise when they are in reverse, and that they would be a complete dumb fuck if they didnt do it, especially when people wont use flatbeds in a common area...:mrmeph:

Damn I completely forgot that the loud ass beeping noise was something that couldn't be disabled no matter what y0!

:picardfp:

[Trap Star]

Lo-jack anyone?

Shit works, I backed my dad's car out of the driveway to move my 240 into the garage and by the time I walked into the house the phone was already ringing. I moved it like 30 feet without the transponder and they took action immediately.


You could always hard wire a prepaid phone charger and just hide the phone someplace in the car and leave it on. Cell phones send out a signal every 30sec or so to the 3 nearest towers to find out which one will provide best call quality. Easily traceable.

[NissanTurboilovesamantha]

lol tracking device, so when the cops have time they can let me come pick up my stripped shell from the impound lot. kill switches and power fuses. i learned that after we realized that there is a 50% chance that everyone elses 240 key works for your car even with my brand new ignition.

[Trap Star]

I'm failing to see how a kill switch keeps someone from taking your car. It keeps them from driving it but it will still roll onto a trailer or tow truck. I'd much rather be able to find the damn thing once I realize its gone than hope the guy stealing my car is an amateur or too lazy to look for kill switches.

[Brentbohn]

COUNT ME IN ON GB. PM ME when your ready

[Silvia352]

There are lots of defense's to prevent a car from being stolen, but obviously there isn't a good solutions, well because they still get stolen lol.


This is a quick recovery option, when all else has failed.

If you think your prevention of thefts work, put them to use and let's see what happens. This is for "when all else fails option" and I for one think this is where people should start looking into. Maybe not this particular product but tracking/recovery.

[89JDM240sx]

A garage won't deter and car thief nor a dog... They'll feed the dog poison or something and break into the garage... Kill switch's are good...


Or you can hire the fantastic 4 to guard your car... Lol

[Boost_Fiend]

I have a viper alam and keep my .357 loaded in my night stand. Thats all the security I need imo. And im a VERY light sleeper :)

[DenkiMan!]

Or you can hire the fantastic 4 to guard your car... Lol


......this

[chiboy002]

if you leave your car in your garage, drill a hole into the ground, like 4 inches wide and cement a post into the ground. put a steel cable from the post to your tow hook. done

if you park outside, double key ignition hidden somewhere and a car alarm with a siren (the loud ass fucking ones) and tilt sensor

wheel boots are ineffective when the car is tucking rim/low and you can't clamp it down right. or when you don't want to scratch your shit

relying on one system to do it all simply wont work. GPS is definitely worth the investment but to own gps and expect to find the car isn't always the sure fire answer.
if the thiefs take it into a warehouse it'll get poor signal

the best way to do it, if you have a garage, is to put cages over the windows/doors, lock the garage door internally (padlock from the door to the rail), and have a metal door with frame with another door behind it.

leaving it on the street, that's best left to the owner to decide on

[Trap Star]

relying on one system to do it all simply wont work. GPS is definitely worth the investment but to own gps and expect to find the car isn't always the sure fire answer.
if the thiefs take it into a warehouse it'll get poor signal
I feel like the point of GPS tracking is immediate notification that the car has moved without the proper transponder and subsequent tracking. That's the main advantage I see with something like lo-jack that tracks the car's exact position and activates after moving 25ft or so without the transponder. That way the police can be dispatched quickly and the car probably won't make it to a garage before its stopped.

Setting it up like the Garmin unit to activate when you leave a neighborhood or something like that seems like you're just giving the thief a head start.

Oh, remote shut off is pretty sweet too.

The way I see it if someone wants to steal your car they will find a way to do it. Killswitches, gates, sentry guns, tridents, etc are all wonderful deterents but I'd rather pay for tracking that is pretty much guranteed to get most of my car back. I'm sure theres lots of stripped 240's and Honda's lying around that had security systems based on kill switches and hopes and dreams.

[pincheturbo]

Garage+7.62MM

i dont fuck around

[Tearlessj]

I wouldn't shoot someone over my car....

The best you can do is a get a very nice alarm with all the bells and whistles.

[chiboy002]

I wouldn't shoot someone over my car....
shoot them in the foot

[Silvia352]

shoot them in the foot

you NEVER shoot to maim someone. if they are on your property committing a crime (in this case theft) you have every right to defend yourself. if you choose not to, then so be it. but, i don't care what your stealing from me or what your doing on my property you don't have too good of odd's.


this thread has drifted pretty far off of its purpose. there are many things you can do to prevent your car from theft, but as we all see odd's aren't too great of stopping someone and some of these methods have proved unsuccessful. I am one for loss prevention but that isn't alway full proof, recovery is a big option to start looking into. like this device, or tracking in general.

[KravingAKouki]

hahaha i like this guys poll idea, goofy but funny as hell ^^ chibooy

[chiboy002]

you NEVER shoot to maim someone. if they are on your property committing a crime (in this case theft) you have every right to defend yourself. if you choose not to, then so be it. but, i don't care what your stealing from me or what your doing on my property you don't have too good of odd's.
sorry im not a murderer, d00d
hahaha i like this guys poll idea, goofy but funny as hell ^^ chibooy
lol
fuck it. do what works

thief will definitely be like what the fuck is this shit when he sees that

[aznfab213]

Wouldn't you go to jail for shooting a person that tries to steal your car? The law is pretty dumb because you have to be sure that the person has a weapon before you can shoot in self defense..if I am not mistaken. Correct me if I am wrong.

[Silvia352]

Wouldn't you go to jail for shooting a person that tries to steal your car? The law is pretty dumb because you have to be sure that the person has a weapon before you can shoot in self defense..if I am not mistaken. Correct me if I am wrong.

in FL, you have the right to defend yourself, family or property. you have what's called "no duty to retreat", if you have a right to be there you can use force with force even deadly force.


you can't shoot someone in your driveway for trying to take your car. but if, you are inside your home and a robber is trying to accrues your garage (or whatever they may be doing) you possess every right to use deadly force at your desecration. basically, if you feel your life is in danger you have every right to defend yourself before bodily harm is intended toward you.

[ghoti]

in FL, you have the right to defend yourself, family or property. you have what's called "no duty to retreat", if you have a right to be there you can use force with force even deadly force.


Yup Florida has that "Stand Your Ground Law". If you feel threatened or feel you are in danger you have the right to use Deadly Force.

This kid stabbed a bully 12 times with a pocket knife and killed him. But it's okay because it was in his property. :loco:

Teen who killed bully to go free under ‘Stand Your Ground’ law - The Answer Sheet - The Washington Post (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/answer-sheet/post/teen-who-killed-bully-to-go-free-under-stand-your-ground-law/2012/01/07/gIQAjpybjP_blog.html)

[lockhaim]

Lmk the price I'm interested

[Schwiegz]

Price list for those interested:

PLEASE NOTE THIS WILL NOT INCLUDE PAYPAL FEE'S AND/OR SHIPPING, AND IM LOCATED IN C-A-N-A-D-A. SHIPPING WONT BE CRAZY BECAUSE THE BOXES ARE SMALL AND LIGHT

thats what he said...

Viper350PLUS-Viper 1 way Alarm system-75.00!!
Viper53012LE-Viper 2 way stater/Alarm combo-160.00
Viper3303-Viper 2 way Alarm System-195.00
AS6870TWFM-Autostart 2 way alarm/starter combo-235.00
CS600A-Compustar 1 way alarm system-60.00!
2W9000FMAS-Compustar alarm/starter combo-275.00
2W9000FMA-Compustar 2 way alarm system-255.00

I CAN GET MORE MODELS THAN THIS!
I just wrote down a few specific ones that sell extremely well. Any 2 way system I have posted up their will be a minimum 2000 feet of range and can go up to 1 mile. The viper systems seem to have the mile range, while the compustars have 5000 feet. Thats what, 200 and some feet short of a mile lol?

As well, anyone interested in smart start, or the smart start and alarm combo I have availability for those as well.

PLEASE PM ME FOR FURTHER QUESTIONS, FURTHER PRICING OR QUESTIONS ON HOW TO GET A SPECIFIC MODEL I HAVE NOT LISTED!

Aaron :)

[DJ-of-E]

The best alarm is all the above plus Piezo sirens. Those high pitch DB are so deafening. A friend of mine hide a few on his A/C and around the wheel wells. He then hid a longated stupidly loud truck horn in aftermarket bump.

[Tantwoforty]

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[240drifter1]

Looks so vicous...

[chriskilla2]

this.. try and steal

http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data/504/medium/19Homes-2.jpg

[GARzNSANE]

this.. try and steal

http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data/504/medium/19Homes-2.jpg

I think it will be harder to get a 240 up there than it is to steal it. That's such a ridiculous driveway!

[Ekaptn]

bump good idea man

[sexcii-zenki]

this.. try and steal

http://www.cyburbia.org/gallery/data/504/medium/19Homes-2.jpg

dayum! that lookz like fun

[Corbic]

Very interesting idea, but most of us are extremely broke because of the time and $$ we spend on our cars. If I could afford this option now I would jump on it.

:bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl::bowrofl:

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[HellaFlushSRs13]

Alarm pa inside the cab FTW the few times i've tripped the alarm inside my own car it was fucking loud... love to see someone try an steal my shit tho +1 for the pit we got a few of those and live up a private drive with multiple gates in the woods in nor cal

[EnemyS15]

Update: Before I make it official, I am going to MSG a mod to make sure I do this within the forum rules. After talking with Garmin corp distribution center, we are looking at around 30-50% discount of purchased in bulk. I was told @ just 10 units, they would discount 15%. Hopefully we will have a big interest and order on either every 50 members listed and paid for or once we hit 100 (if there is that big of a response).

The payment would be for gtu10 tracking device, which includes a year service for free, and the 12v wire. Other charge would be for shipping to your address.

[redline racer510]

How much would it cost at 50%. Definitely interested if you can get good prices.

[sexcii-zenki]

How much would it cost at 50%. Definitely interested if you can get good prices.

hell yea how much would 50% off be? before shipping obviously...count me in and a year of free service, so @least we can try it out for the 1st year and see how it is...not too shabby imo

[Walperstyle]

Car needs air-fuel-spark to run... If you are parked somewhere for over an hour... just disable any one of these and the thief can't drive your car away. Nothing is fool proof, but its a hell of a lot cheaper to remove power to, lets say, your fuel pump.

[Corbic]

Car needs air-fuel-spark to run... If you are parked somewhere for over an hour... just disable any one of these and the thief can't drive your car away. Nothing is fool proof, but its a hell of a lot cheaper to remove power to, lets say, your fuel pump.

When stealing cars - be a pro.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/c9/Flat_Bed_Tow_Truck.jpg

No body will question you towing a car. Even if stopped by police, give them a BS work order, saying some guy called in or play dumb like you towed the wrong car.

[sexcii-zenki]

When stealing cars - be a pro.



No body will question you towing a car. Even if stopped by police, give them a BS work order, saying some guy called in or play dumb like you towed the wrong car.

ha u speak from experience???

[cherriynanky]

keep modifying your cars and parking them on the STREET

real smart guys.

garage or bust, no other options.

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[coreyh]

Wouldn't you go to jail for shooting a person that tries to steal your car? The law is pretty dumb because you have to be sure that the person has a weapon before you can shoot in self defense..if I am not mistaken. Correct me if I am wrong.

in California you have to state that you're armed and willing to shoot. but the way I look at it, they cant question a dead body.

Any home invader can be considered "armed" seeing as they would most likely have a tool to get in, They SHOULD leave after you've made yourself and your weapon known (who wans to fuck with a pissed off guy with a gun?) if they don't its self-defense, fire at will.

[RB180sxChris]

im in for sure!!!!!!!