400hp kouki or 400hp s2000

[91sil80]

need some insight. ive got the kouki which is stock and my s2k which is stock. im trying to figure out which car i want to make the most power out of. i use 400 and a generic number not set on anything hp wise but i would like at least that much. ive never been in a s2000 with that much power...come to think of it ive never been in a 240 with that much power. so i dont really know what to base the fun factor off of. i know this is a nissan bias community but if anyone has any experience id love to hear your opinion.

[silviaks2nr]

In the s14 an SR, RB, LS, JZ? what turbo? it's a pretty open ended thing. For me it would be a single turbo pt6262 NA-T 2jz in an s14. F20/22c motors just don't have the kind of powerband I like even when turboed. They can put down some pretty crazy numbers though.

[91sil80]

i try to factor parts availability and budget so i would go with an sr. yea its kindof open ended hard to really narrow it down with a bunch of specs and such. you can bolt on 400+ hp on a s2k with a ptuning turbo kit or a science of speed supercharger for about 6-7k which would be the price of a done very well sr swap.

[91sil80]

In the s14 an SR, RB, LS, JZ? what turbo? it's a pretty open ended thing. For me it would be a single turbo pt6262 NA-T 2jz in an s14. F20/22c motors just don't have the kind of powerband I like even when turboed. They can put down some pretty crazy numbers though.

and thats what im looking for, mainly personal experience on the butt dyno

[OBEEWON]

Cheaper in the 240.

[turbo2nr]

turbo s2k = nicer car
turbo s14 = cheaper car

your choice, id go with teh s2k on boost those things are monsters

[91sil80]

tru, the s2k only has 27k miles so i know i have a good motor to start with.

[gabes240]

Sr2000s are sooo awesome! !! I would do SR swap in the kouki, then save up for an RB or 1j then drop the SR into the s2000.

[Farzam]

Depends on what kind of driving you want to do.

I have an ap1 and 2 s13's. I'd go with the ap1.

I helped build a 550whp stock block ap1. Ragged it out. It was a monster. Low boost was 360whp and we were beating 500whp e9x m3's

[fliprayzin240sx]

I'm with Farzam...what kind of driving are you planning on doing with the car? Pretty much, if you're into drifting or has any remote inclination to do it...can't do it with an S2K. If you like grip driving, auto-x or drag, I'd lean towards the S2K. S14 is capable of doing all of it, just not as good as an S2K when it it comes to grip.

[fliprayzin240sx]

No low end, no torque, I dont see that car fun for anything else other than drag racing.

[badbob2121]

Deleted the video, forgot about the illegal activity in it...:naw:

but either car would be fun, their your cars.. build both?

[TsukubaSpec]

S2k can produce lots of power on stock block, 600-700hp easily.

If i was going to boost mine tomorrow i would go with a pfab log manifold and a small gt3071r, V-mount IC.
I have an ap2 so the f22 has a little more displacement than the f20 and it rev to 8k instead of 9k so im pretty sure the power band of the log manifold and the small gt30r would be pretty good for drifting, if you wanna put crazy number and have a useless power band ,go with an equal length manifold and a gt35r.

The f20/f22 are great engine to boost, tranny is not a problem the main concern is the diff, i dunno if you want 400 flywheel hp or 400whp cause, the stock diff wont last long if you drift a 400whp s2000 and upgrading the diff on an s2000 is not cheap either puddymod or z32 upgrade, we talking over 2gs !!!

Thats why i would personally go log mani/gt30r @ 8-10lbs easy on the engine, would still make around 320whp and the diff should last longer, you just buy a spare diff on ebay or craigslist for 300-400$

[TsukubaSpec]

but no need to boost your s2k to drift perfect example, lsd and good clutch f20c can do that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6DTgTSRN8k&feature=player_embedded#!

[ILoveJDM]

^^ hes rubbing so bad on the fender, watch the front left mirror tweak 4 inches lol.


anyways.
if the s14 isnt even swapped yet, its pretty much a no brainer to boost the s2k.

[jamg]

i would HATE to daily a 400hp s2k...

i'm already very annoyed of a stock with an exhaust.....

[DancingMonkey]

but no need to boost your s2k to drift perfect example, lsd and good clutch f20c can do that

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6DTgTSRN8k&feature=player_embedded#!

Its Actually hard to drift an S2000. LSD and clutch will kick it out but you wont be able to hold it. I remember when Alex drove the RSR S2000 they had to modified the Steering rack to an RX7. S2000 has this thing called an EPS (Electric Power Steering) At higher mph when you throw the steering wheel the system actually slows the wheel down.

[kalypso123]

^ thats actually really cool @[email protected]

[ILoveJDM]

really cool and sucks donkey penis.

s2000 is also a super twitchy car and hates being sideways. you have to put in some GOOD time and effort to make it drifty

[future]

I'm on the same boat with OP

I'm leaning more towards a s2 just because it can be a cleaner safer car. Aka abs and air bags

Idk about you but with 400whp I'd like to stop fast and not smash another windshield with my face

[PeaceOnesxWai]

If you plan on going sideways go with the 240 because the s2000 rear end wont handle it. If your just going to run straight lines and gripping the corners, s2000 would have no problem.

[kalypso123]

I'd like to stop fast and not smash another windshield with my face



No sense your making. Bad drivers cause accidents not fast cars.

I say keep s2000 stock and turbo the s14 for drift and autocross.

[nickkaplz]

400whp is very reliable in s2k, so much so that you could even sell the kouki and daily the s2k

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Kouki with 400hp is more practical and would WOMP on the 400hp s2k all day long, S2k is small as fuck, No room for anything other than you and a passanger, Barley any trunk room and they have an annoying exhaust note and no torque.

I'd say go for the kouki!! you can actually have room in the car,trunk space,back seats even though there isn't much room but its still there! It's SAFER than the S2000 in every aspect and you'll hate the no bottom end at all on the s2000 esp on a big turbo s2000

[Trinidrift3]

im from the honda community and im in the nissan too so i can help. more info would be nice like what are the two cars being used for? both daily? one daily one weekend. one daily 1 fully track etc

[91sil80]

my drifting days are over so just a fun street car. i found out the hard way that ap1s will kick the ass out with out asking you first!!! i would daily the car i didnt boost. My s2k is stock engine i should say, its got bilsein colovers and an exhaust ( which sounds good but is very annoying to daily) drooooooooneeee

[RoXiE.S14]

Go 240, 240, two FORTEEEH!

[future]

Somebody please tell me how a 1997 240sx is safer then a 2000 s2 with traction control and way more electronics?

[RoXiE.S14]

Because Jesus himself made the nissan 240, true story

[pacotaco345]

Somebody please tell me how a 1997 240sx is safer then a 2000 s2 with traction control and way more electronics?

well for one you have a roof.. you have airbags if you choose to keep them. all traction control does is make you understeer. A good vigilant, smart, and safe driver make the car safe, not all your fancy honda electronic junk. For example, people always tell me I'm gonna get killed in my car, trucks are wayyy safer, but to be honest I'd rather drive a car I can avoid an accident in rather than drive a car I can survive an accident in.

[91sil80]

ap1 s2ks have no traction anything, that didnt come until later. and the ass ends on those are prone to come out. and im tall so my head is over the roll bars....sweeet. im leaning more toward the 240 just so i can leave the s2k for the twisties. wish i was rich i could just do both

[jiggysnitz]

I daily my 500whp s2000 right now. Its fun to drive even outside of boost and as you already know its a ten times better place to be than a 240. Not to mention its stupid fast on the freeway.

[jiggysnitz]

If your interested in what it took to get there I can tell you what is on my car.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Somebody please tell me how a 1997 240sx is safer then a 2000 s2 with traction control and way more electronics?

Electronics don't mean anything, In fact the Electronics will make the car more prone to problems and not safe. You must play alot of forza or something cause traction control isn't the same in real life as it is in the video games kid. You must think you can go full throttle in a turn and the traction control will just slow you down and make the turn for you huh? NO sorry that's not how it works

The s2000 is a tiny ass car and it's a convertable, getting into an accident with an s2000 wont be as pretty as getting into one with a 240sx. It's a tin can compared to a 240sx, SO you tell me if you still think a s2000 is safer than a 240sx. S2000 are very ass happy Esp with power, 240sx is alot more predictable than a s2000 I've driven both and I like a nice suspension setup 240 over a s2000 any day

THERE YOU GO YA DAMN :newbie:

[Jared0934]

I don't even see why this is a question. You have the money, you already have both cars.. Just look at them side by side. What body do you like better? It's as simple as that. If you're just going to daily drive it with the occasion WOT on the highway than you don't really need to worry about car balance and weight because you're not tracking it.. And you don't have to worry about aftermarket support because they both have endless support.

Choose what body you like, pick an engine to swap or build and have fun with it, it's just a fun daily anyways.

[drift freaq]

Why are you asking us to make a decision for you? This is on you not us. LOL You are the one that ultimately will be happy or not.

Drive both cars decided which one you like better and go from there.

[JSimpson]

s2k are for girls...

[driftsucky]

I'm gonna say S14 cuz I think S2K's are rather boring. I didn't experience that easy tail out thing you had going on when I had one, but if you're getting that and NOT wanting to drift, then more hp isn't going to help matters. I've seen some high hp S2K's and I've seen some high hp Nissans and I wouldn't say, with any certainty, that one is more reliable or safe than the other. Build it right and drive responsibably and I think either will work. However, given that your head pokes out of the S2K, you're less likely to get decapitated in the Nissan so go with that.

[davinci]

kouki with ls1, plenty parts available, reliable 400hp and tons of torque :D

[Farzam]

S2k can produce lots of power on stock block, 600-700hp easily.

If i was going to boost mine tomorrow i would go with a pfab log manifold and a small gt3071r, V-mount IC.
I have an ap2 so the f22 has a little more displacement than the f20 and it rev to 8k instead of 9k so im pretty sure the power band of the log manifold and the small gt30r would be pretty good for drifting, if you wanna put crazy number and have a useless power band ,go with an equal length manifold and a gt35r.

The f20/f22 are great engine to boost, tranny is not a problem the main concern is the diff, i dunno if you want 400 flywheel hp or 400whp cause, the stock diff wont last long if you drift a 400whp s2000 and upgrading the diff on an s2000 is not cheap either puddymod or z32 upgrade, we talking over 2gs !!!

Thats why i would personally go log mani/gt30r @ 8-10lbs easy on the engine, would still make around 320whp and the diff should last longer, you just buy a spare diff on ebay or craigslist for 300-400$


My friend's pfab mani with a 35r cracked completely in half. like...as if someone cut it apart in the middle. Then it fell apart. It was gnarly.

i would HATE to daily a 400hp s2k...

i'm already very annoyed of a stock with an exhaust.....

Same car I mention above was my roommates. We both had s2k so we'd switch off the keys whenever, and honestly DD'n his was MUCH EASIER than mine. I mean, his was pretty extensively built besides the block.

Its Actually hard to drift an S2000. LSD and clutch will kick it out but you wont be able to hold it. I remember when Alex drove the RSR S2000 they had to modified the Steering rack to an RX7. S2000 has this thing called an EPS (Electric Power Steering) At higher mph when you throw the steering wheel the system actually slows the wheel down.

I can't drift my s2k worth shit. The other day I drifted it pretty fuckin awesome going like 10 mph. they just sealed the parking lot and it rained a bit so it was super slick. that shit's not safe.

EPS sucks. The short wheelbase doesn't help either

Electronics don't mean anything, In fact the Electronics will make the car more prone to problems and not safe. You must play alot of forza or something cause traction control isn't the same in real life as it is in the video games kid. You must think you can go full throttle in a turn and the traction control will just slow you down and make the turn for you huh? NO sorry that's not how it works

The s2000 is a tiny ass car and it's a convertable, getting into an accident with an s2000 wont be as pretty as getting into one with a 240sx. It's a tin can compared to a 240sx, SO you tell me if you still think a s2000 is safer than a 240sx. S2000 are very ass happy Esp with power, 240sx is alot more predictable than a s2000 I've driven both and I like a nice suspension setup 240 over a s2000 any day

THERE YOU GO YA DAMN :newbie:

Agree with electronic control modules. They suck.

Yeah, the s2k is small...but s2k are WAY safer. Look at the seat design, look at the airbags, look at the seatbelts...all that is a shit ton safer than your ragged out rusty s-chassis. I've had countless friends wreck their s2k's

-90mph, hit sand, understeer into ditch, flipped 3 times, sideswipe trees. bruised collarbone, cuts. 5'7" probably 180lb super cut gymnastic/body builder guy
-120mph, understeered into a guardrail, a couple cuts
-70mph, went straight into some woods, hit 4 trees, both dudes ran from the scene
-45mph, tboned. gucci.

There are some more stories but these are the only ones i could think of now.

s2k are for girls...

Actually, 240sx were targeted towards the female demographics such as assistants and accountants and stuff. lol

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

My friend's pfab mani with a 35r cracked completely in half. like...as if someone cut it apart in the middle. Then it fell apart. It was gnarly.



Same car I mention above was my roommates. We both had s2k so we'd switch off the keys whenever, and honestly DD'n his was MUCH EASIER than mine. I mean, his was pretty extensively built besides the block.



I can't drift my s2k worth shit. The other day I drifted it pretty fuckin awesome going like 10 mph. they just sealed the parking lot and it rained a bit so it was super slick. that shit's not safe.

EPS sucks. The short wheelbase doesn't help either



Agree with electronic control modules. They suck.

Yeah, the s2k is small...but s2k are WAY safer. Look at the seat design, look at the airbags, look at the seatbelts...all that is a shit ton safer than your ragged out rusty s-chassis. I've had countless friends wreck their s2k's

-90mph, hit sand, understeer into ditch, flipped 3 times, sideswipe trees. bruised collarbone, cuts. 5'7" probably 180lb super cut gymnastic/body builder guy
-120mph, understeered into a guardrail, a couple cuts
-70mph, went straight into some woods, hit 4 trees, both dudes ran from the scene
-45mph, tboned. gucci.

There are some more stories but these are the only ones i could think of now.



Actually, 240sx were targeted towards the female demographics such as assistants and accountants and stuff. lol

Assuming My 240 has stock seatbelts, seats, Not all s chassis are ragged out and rusted buddy. I'm sure there has been 1000000x more crash storys with s chassis that would have ended up worse if it was the s2000 And you just named a bunch of small ass people who crashed, I'm 6'3 and 260lbs I'm sure me crashing in a s2000 and crashing in a s chassis, I'll come out with less damage in the s chassis as oppose to the s2000

[TsukubaSpec]

i was gonna say the same as "farzam" s2k are way safer,

my opinion is the only place where the s14 will be better than the s2k, would be for drifting purpose but with the right parts and some $$ the s2k can be drifted like any other car but thats just my opinion. Yes the s2k has a short wheel base but what about ae86,fc3s and the new GT86/frs/brz, they all have a short wheel base.

If your tall and want an s2k just get a bride low max and bride or mugen rail and your problem is solve, my buddy is 6'2" near 200lbs and got a vios3 low max an daily is s2k no problem what so ever.

more drifting videos

S2000 Drift vol5 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNyFIDr2NlY)

skip to 3;05
Spoon S2000 D1 Drift machine !! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0FfRkQrnMU)