more camber=more rub?

[grandma's koukis]

Maxed out my camber on my tein he's, now I'm rubbing on my ecu harness. Also had the toe adjusted as it was negative 1.5 degrees. My question is did the camber adjustment cause it to become too close to the tire, or was it the toe adjustment?

[vas570sx]

you just need to start reading homie. everytime you post, its another question that has already been answered... just tryin to help

[Mitsubayati]

^ That doesn't really help him. Everyone knows they should read, most are too lazy to do so.


Tuck your harness, the lower your car goes the greater the chances of rubbing at your harness are because the wheel is getting closer to the wheel well. It is possible that cambering your wheels made them sit a little closer, so to remedy this, either raise your car, change your car back to the way it was when it didn't rub or do a harness tuck.

[grandma's koukis]

^ That doesn't really help him. Everyone knows they should read, most are too lazy to do so.


Tuck your harness, the lower your car goes the greater the chances of rubbing at your harness are because the wheel is getting closer to the wheel well. It is possible that cambering your wheels made them sit a little closer, so to remedy this, either raise your car, change your car back to the way it was when it didn't rub or do a harness tuck.

Thanks, how I picture it in my head is the negative camber increase raised the outer edges of the tire, I just wanted to double check before I drove back out to the shop stressing about something that might not actually be the issue. I researched a fair amount but could only find threads with hellaflush supastarz with inside out wheels.

[OBEEWON]

Negative camber will lower your car.

[blingbling]

I think its your green wheels that need a fixin boy

[JKL1031]

or he cud stop trying to be cool and buy wheels that fit. :naughty:

[pacotaco345]

Negative camber will lower your car.

Correction: Negative camber will raise your car and make it look "lower" because of all the tire you are now tucking.

[nathanong87]

Correction: Negative camber will raise your car and make it look "lower" because of all the tire you are now tucking.

corection: negative camber will lower your car, if all that is changed is camber. u know the pythagorean theorem dawg?

[!Zar!]

Correction: Negative camber will raise your car and make it look "lower" because of all the tire you are now tucking.

Wrong.

Negative camber will lower the car.

Oops, Mr Ong beat me to it.

[pacotaco345]

I've had this discussion like 3 times on this forum now and have proven myself right all 3 times. When you have 0 camber the whole tire has contact with the ground (everything is at its lowest point). When you add negative camber anything that is not the inner corner of the wheel will rotate in and up. That includes the point where the wheel mounts to the hub. This is the reason why you tuck more tire and the car looks "lower". Because the outside edge of the tire has been rotated up and into the fender well.

[pacotaco345]

corection: negative camber will lower your car, if all that is changed is camber. u know the pythagorean theorem dawg?

the pythagorean theorem is what proves me right.

Here is the picture drew last time, sorry I'm not an artist lol

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/P1010050.jpg

That dot represents where the wheel mounts to the hub, as long as it is not at or past the inside edge of the wheel, it will always rotate up first.

[280zx2by2]

Cool hand drawing bro.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/280zx2by2/Camber0ET0.png

[blingbling]

Its obviously raising the car you dumb idiots
Haters get angry

http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx205/Jcreedon4/extremecamber1.jpg

Girl look at that body

[articdragon192]

Add camber lowers a car, and removing camber raises the car.
I went from 3.8 to 1.5 and it raised the car nearly a full inch. On my car, every 1.0 degree of camber change equates to roughly a 1/2" of height change.

[fckillerbee]

Negative camber will lower your car.

WRONG
corection: negative camber will lower your car, if all that is changed is camber. u know the pythagorean theorem dawg?
SORRY NATE...YOUR ALSO WRONG

I've had this discussion like 3 times on this forum now and have proven myself right all 3 times. When you have 0 camber the whole tire has contact with the ground (everything is at its lowest point). When you add negative camber anything that is not the inner corner of the wheel will rotate in and up. That includes the point where the wheel mounts to the hub. This is the reason why you tuck more tire and the car looks "lower". Because the outside edge of the tire has been rotated up and into the fender well.

and we have a WINNER. I remember this discussion. Put a box on the table. Now when you rotate the box just a little, the highest point is now higher.

And that is the exact reason why he now rubs.

[fckillerbee]

Add camber lowers a car, and removing camber raises the car.
I went from 3.8 to 1.5 and it raised the car nearly a full inch. On my car, every 1.0 degree of camber change equates to roughly a 1/2" of height change.

How were you measuring your ride height? gap in tire to fender, or fender to ground?

How tall your tire is will impact this decision as well. If you have taller tires, and you camber in, it will put all the weight of the vehicle on a smaller section of the tire...which may compress it as you add camber.

now in terms of a negative offset wheel. At zero degrees camber, it will raise a little, and then go back down once you past it's center point.

A positive wheel will show more impact when adding camber as the degree of the angles are dramatically changed.

[280zx2by2]

WRONG

SORRY NATE...YOUR ALSO WRONG



and we have a WINNER. I remember this discussion. Put a box on the table. Now when you rotate the box just a little, the highest point is now higher.

And that is the exact reason why he now rubs.

So if you 0'd out the camber on this car it would go even lower???


http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx205/Jcreedon4/extremecamber1.jpg

OMG WAIT TILL STANCE NATION HEAR'S ABOUT THIS!

[articdragon192]

How were you measuring your ride height? gap in tire to fender, or fender to ground?

How tall your tire is will impact this decision as well. If you have taller tires, and you camber in, it will put all the weight of the vehicle on a smaller section of the tire...which may compress it as you add camber.

now in terms of a negative offset wheel. At zero degrees camber, it will raise a little, and then go back down once you past it's center point.

A positive wheel will show more impact when adding camber as the degree of the angles are dramatically changed.

Fender to floor, on the same exact wheel and tire set up I had before.
For reference, it was a 265/35-18 on an 18x10.5 +6.
Before at 3.8
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/169042_10100156753082421_6000674_53514755_5226946_ n.jpg
After taking out camber.
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/225857_1871755667034_1035390079_32061637_2565944_n .jpg

[280zx2by2]

I think what the "Negative camber raises your car" guys don't understand is that where your wheel meets the hub is not the axis of rotation when considering camber, its either the lower ball joint or where the coil meets the knuckle.


Someone with more suspension geometry knowledge chime on on which it is and Ill show you.

[JKL1031]

Correction: Negative camber will raise your car and make it look "lower" because of all the tire you are now tucking.

not if u have madd stretch yo. Ur assumming a square edged tire:wan:

[fckillerbee]

http://i149.photobucket.com/albums/s70/davidhamburg/camber-1.jpg

if anything. A negative offset wheel is to improve suspension geometry. An idea I've had in my head for a while now. Hope this helps.

[fckillerbee]

Fender to floor, on the same exact wheel and tire set up I had before.
For reference, it was a 265/35-18 on an 18x10.5 +6.
Before at 3.8
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/169042_10100156753082421_6000674_53514755_5226946_ n.jpg
After taking out camber.
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/225857_1871755667034_1035390079_32061637_2565944_n .jpg


you are running a 265 on the front?

I can't tell on your ride height, shadows, the minimum amount of change in the angle and compression on the tire may not change much for you. I can tell however that you now have more room inbetween your fender and tire. As far as ride height, you may have increased height because of the roundness of your tire. as in, a 35 has rounded edges rather than square. the tire may get taller towards the center. These are all very tiny key points that we tend to miss. Also, don't forget that most race tires are softer on the inside of the tire and hard on the outside for cornering (sidewall flex). don't forget tire wear plays a part too in take off some of that ride height while previously cambered.

[pacotaco345]

I think what the "Negative camber raises your car" guys don't understand is that where your wheel meets the hub is not the axis of rotation when considering camber, its either the lower ball joint or where the coil meets the knuckle.


Someone with more suspension geometry knowledge chime on on which it is and Ill show you.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/rear-end.jpg

Here is a picture, stare at it.. Regardless of where it pivots on the LCA an s-chassis is an independent rear suspension car. The wheel moves independently of the rest of the car. Period.



http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx205/Jcreedon4/extremecamber1.jpg

OMG WAIT TILL STANCE NATION HEAR'S ABOUT THIS!

That wheel is over-centered.


Cool hand drawing bro.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/280zx2by2/Camber0ET0.png

Cool picture bro, that might be relevant if the front and rear suspension of the car were exactly the same.



Fender to floor, on the same exact wheel and tire set up I had before.
For reference, it was a 265/35-18 on an 18x10.5 +6.
Before at 3.8
http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/169042_10100156753082421_6000674_53514755_5226946_ n.jpg
After taking out camber.
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/225857_1871755667034_1035390079_32061637_2565944_n .jpg

Sorry if this comment makes me seem like an asshole but I can't see a difference in the two pictures. maybe just a lil less tucking when the camber is pulled out of it, which I mentioned before.

[!Zar!]

Blah blah blah.

I had to lower my car more after I removed camber.

So suck it.

[pacotaco345]

not if u have madd stretch yo. Ur assumming a square edged tire:wan:

that makes no sense at all...

[fckillerbee]

So if you 0'd out the camber on this car it would go even lower???


http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx205/Jcreedon4/extremecamber1.jpg

OMG WAIT TILL STANCE NATION HEAR'S ABOUT THIS!


no, this guy is almost sitting on the rim. If he removes camber, he now sits on the tire.

Can we please have intellegent posts in here. Trolls can troll in off topic.

[pacotaco345]

Blah blah blah.

I had to lower my car more after I removed camber.

So suck it.

I pulled camber out of my car and it looked higher till I scraped the shit out of a speedbump in my school parking lot that I previously had no issues with.

[280zx2by2]

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/rear-end.jpg

Here is a picture, stare at it.. Regardless of where it pivots on the LCA an s-chassis is an independent rear suspension car. The wheel moves independently of the rest of the car. Period.


What does this picture have to do with anything? We're talking about a McPhearson strut front suspension...


And the wheels do move independently of the rest of the car, the the wheels also include the hub and knuckle, this moves your center of axis out from the wheel. So all of these childish drawings that take no consideration into the rest of the suspension are proving nothing.






Cool picture bro, that might be relevant if the front and rear suspension of the car were exactly the same.



What? The angle of the front coilover exactly determines the angle of the wheel. This has NOTHING to do with rear suspension.

[280zx2by2]

no, this guy is almost sitting on the rim. If he removes camber, he now sits on the tire.

Can we please have intellegent posts in here. Trolls can troll in off topic.
^^^ This is a troll post.

[fckillerbee]

^^^ This is a troll post.


are you retarded.


if you weren't trolling...then what have you contributed to this thread.














k thanx bye.:wackit:

[280zx2by2]

if you weren't trolling...then what have you contributed to this thread.




Only diagrams and logic that you have not acknowledged and have yet to prove wrong.

[pacotaco345]

What does this picture have to do with anything? We're talking about a McPhearson strut front suspension...


And the wheels do move independently of the rest of the car, the the wheels also include the hub and knuckle, this moves your center of axis out from the wheel. So all of these childish drawings that take no consideration into the rest of the suspension are proving nothing.








What? The angle of the front coilover exactly determines the angle of the wheel. This has NOTHING to do with rear suspension.

Ok my bad I was talking about both front AND rear suspension, which is why I posted a picture of the rear suspension. If we are being front suspension specific in this thread my point still remains true though. The hub rotates around the axis of the LCA ball joint, the wheel rotates around the hub. When the wheel rotates inward it pushes the inside lower edge of the wheel down. Since the hub is connected to the knuckle and the knuckle is connected to the LCA and the LCA is connected to the front xmember and the front xmember is directly connected to the chassis, by pushing the inside-lower edge of the tire down you are moving the car up. (unless you are pushing the earth down)

[fckillerbee]

Cool hand drawing bro.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/280zx2by2/Camber0ET0.png

Your "diagram" clearly shows what I hand drew to scale. I only included different offsets.

So if you 0'd out the camber on this car it would go even lower???


http://i756.photobucket.com/albums/xx205/Jcreedon4/extremecamber1.jpg

OMG WAIT TILL STANCE NATION HEAR'S ABOUT THIS!


where's this knowledgeable input you were talking about? And what are you trying to prove anyway. Both your picture and your statement contradicts itself.

You posted a picture of a camber wheel increasing the distance from top to bottom.

And now you post this picture of this retarded car and try and say opposite? ummm....i'm confused.

[280zx2by2]

Show me where you believe the ball joint would be on this diagram.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/280zx2by2/Camber.png

[pacotaco345]

Show me where you believe the ball joint would be on this diagram.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/280zx2by2/Camber.png

That is an inaccurate portrayal of the front suspension in an s-chassis car. The picture here is implying that the wheel connects directly to the strut. In actuality it connects to a knuckle which connects to BOTH the strut and the LCA ball joint.

[280zx2by2]

That is an inaccurate portrayal of the front suspension in an s-chassis car. The picture here is implying that the wheel connects directly to the strut. In actuality it connects to a knuckle which connects to BOTH the strut and the LCA ball joint.
No shit sherlock, but the center line of the hub and knuckle would be parallel with the ground EXACTLY like the picture at 0* of camber.

[pacotaco345]

No shit sherlock, but the center line of the hub and knuckle would be parallel with the ground EXACTLY like the picture at 0* of camber.

How do you expect me to locate where the ball joint would be when you don't even have a LCA in the picture?

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/1209176010_2_FT2084_p1030224.jpg

Why don't you look for yourself where the ball joint is. By changing the camber you aren't moving the LCA you're moving the knuckle. And by moving the wheel you're moving an edge of it either up or down, whether it is the inside edge or outside edge. the side that moves up no longer touches the ground (obviously) and the side that moves down raises the car.

[280zx2by2]

By changing the camber you aren't moving the LCA you're moving the knuckle.


Yes.

And by moving the wheel you're moving an edge of it either up or down, whether it is the inside edge or outside edge.

Yes.


Put these two logics together.

If the LCA does NOT move the entire assembly rotates on the lower ball join then.

If you don't agree with me on the location of the ball joint (red dot) then show me where you would like me to put it.


This is at -5 degrees. Look at the top of the suspension.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/280zx2by2/Camber-1.png

DAMN THE WHOLE CAR GOT LOWER. And the inside of the tire is at the same height.


Nice try guys.

[yomisiu]

if you're stretching the fuck out of a tire and you crank dat, wouldnt you be lower because of how the tire sits on the wheel? they arent square like most normal tires regular folks use, therefor, not raising it. idk, just thoughts

[!Zar!]

Yes.



Yes.


Put these two logics together.

If the LCA does NOT move the entire assembly rotates on the lower ball join then.

If you don't agree with me on the location of the ball joint (red dot) then show me where you would like me to put it.


This is at -5 degrees. Look at the top of the suspension.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/280zx2by2/Camber-1.png

DAMN THE WHOLE CAR GOT LOWER. And the inside of the tire is at the same height.


Nice try guys.

Told you all so.

Maybe if some of you go outside and actually do this shit, you will see the above hold true.

Think of the front of the car and how it jacks up when turn your wheel as the camber goes positive.

[cbcm2435]

Yes.



Yes.


Put these two logics together.

If the LCA does NOT move the entire assembly rotates on the lower ball join then.

If you don't agree with me on the location of the ball joint (red dot) then show me where you would like me to put it.


This is at -5 degrees. Look at the top of the suspension.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/280zx2by2/Camber-1.png

DAMN THE WHOLE CAR GOT LOWER. And the inside of the tire is at the same height.


Nice try guys.

plus if you look at the picture, it shows that it being on the edge of the tire changes nothing, yeah the out side edge of the tire is higher, but its not going to change ride height it will just tuck under the fender

[pacotaco345]

Yes.



Yes.


Put these two logics together.

If the LCA does NOT move the entire assembly rotates on the lower ball join then.

If you don't agree with me on the location of the ball joint (red dot) then show me where you would like me to put it.


This is at -5 degrees. Look at the top of the suspension.

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll89/280zx2by2/Camber-1.png

DAMN THE WHOLE CAR GOT LOWER. And the inside of the tire is at the same height.


Nice try guys.

Look at the wheel. The red dot you marked as the ball joint is still within the width of the wheel. and as long as its still within the wheel it means that the inside of the wheel is moving down. Also, the line you have representing the strut started out at an angle. When in actuality the strut in the car sits straight up and down at 0* camber unless you have a slotted mount, in which case it would sit straight up and down even with negative camber. This alone makes your drawing and measurements inaccurate. If you had started the drawing with the strut straight up and down the 5* wouldn't make as big of a difference in the overall highest point of the strut. And if you moved the point of the ball joint further into the wheel (like it actually is in real life), how much the lowest point of the wheel is moving down would be much more apparent.

[!Zar!]

Go outside.

Measure your camber and ride hight.

Now turn your wheel to lock.

Now measure your camber and ride hight.

[articdragon192]

you are running a 265 on the front?

I can't tell on your ride height, shadows, the minimum amount of change in the angle and compression on the tire may not change much for you. I can tell however that you now have more room inbetween your fender and tire. As far as ride height, you may have increased height because of the roundness of your tire. as in, a 35 has rounded edges rather than square. the tire may get taller towards the center. These are all very tiny key points that we tend to miss. Also, don't forget that most race tires are softer on the inside of the tire and hard on the outside for cornering (sidewall flex). don't forget tire wear plays a part too in take off some of that ride height while previously cambered.

265/35 front and rear. I took camber out of the REAR. Focus on the rear of the car. In the front I actually added camber, hence why it is lower as well. I had to drop the rear 3/4" to get it back to the ride height it was at before.
Also, rounded edges won't contribute to nearly a full inch of ride height difference.


Sorry if this comment makes me seem like an asshole but I can't see a difference in the two pictures. maybe just a lil less tucking when the camber is pulled out of it, which I mentioned before.

It raised the car. Fender to ground distance is higher. By almost an inch. I had to get helper springs for my coilovers to I could lower my car back to down to it's desired ride height, since I had to droop the spring to go lower.

From my personal experience, adding camber has lowered my car, and taking camber out has raised it. No diagram or math explained over the internet will refute my personal experiences with camber change.

[anarchyperf]

It lowers your car... I win

Zero Camber - pay attention to the blue line
http://tyler.xeroweb.com/zeroCamber.jpg

Negative Camber
http://tyler.xeroweb.com/NegativeCamber.jpg

[pacotaco345]

Go outside.

Measure your camber and ride hight.

Now turn your wheel to lock.

Now measure your camber and ride hight.

1. If I understand you correctly you're helping my argument, adding camber raises the car, positive or negative. And I would go do this now if my car wasn't 1300 miles away.
2. I have measured the distance of my crossmember and rear subframe, removed camber, then measured again. The car was lower after I took the camber out.



265/35 front and rear. I took camber out of the REAR. Focus on the rear of the car. In the front I actually added camber, hence why it is lower as well. I had to drop the rear 3/4" to get it back to the ride height it was at before.
Also, rounded edges won't contribute to nearly a full inch of ride height difference.



It raised the car. Fender to ground distance is higher. By almost an inch. I had to get helper springs for my coilovers to I could lower my car back to down to it's desired ride height, since I had to droop the spring to go lower.

From my personal experience, adding camber has lowered my car, and taking camber out has raised it. No diagram or math explained over the internet will refute my personal experiences with camber change.

First of all, thank you for not being an ass.. Second, I can't explain how pulling camber out of your car would make it rise, I'm not educated on the front suspension of a z32.. Is it different? If it is that could be the reason. What I know is that I have pulled camber out of my car, made measurements relative to the subframe and crossmember, and done the math, and after doing all this I have come upon the conclusion that adding camber raises the car.

[articdragon192]

First of all, thank you for not being an ass.. Second, I can't explain how pulling camber out of your car would make it rise, I'm not educated on the front suspension of a z32.. Is it different? If it is that could be the reason. What I know is that I have pulled camber out of my car, made measurements relative to the subframe and crossmember, and done the math, and after doing all this I have come upon the conclusion that adding camber raises the car.

I was mostly pointing out the REAR of my Z32, which is nearly identical so that of an S-chassis and R-chassis.
The front is a miltilink set up, very similar to the rear suspension as well. So the front and rear act very similarly. And each time I've removed camber, that side has raised itself, and each time I've added camber, it lowers itself.

[fckillerbee]

It lowers your car... I win

Zero Camber - pay attention to the blue line
http://tyler.xeroweb.com/zeroCamber.jpg

Negative Camber
http://tyler.xeroweb.com/NegativeCamber.jpg


I will divulge more into this.


your picture is accurate for a negative offset wheel.

Put the blue line on the other side ;)

[anarchyperf]

I will divulge more into this.


your picture is accurate for a negative offset wheel.

Put the blue line on the other side ;)

Very good point.

[!Zar!]

1. If I understand you correctly you're helping my argument, adding camber raises the car, positive or negative. And I would go do this now if my car wasn't 1300 miles away.
2. I have measured the distance of my crossmember and rear subframe, removed camber, then measured again. The car was lower after I took the camber out.


You're right, I agree with you.

I am positive my car got higher after going from -5 to -1 in rear.

[articdragon192]

I will divulge more into this.


your picture is accurate for a negative offset wheel.

Put the blue line on the other side ;)

My wheels are positive offset. Still sat higher with less camber.

[pacotaco345]

Very good point.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/IMAG0283.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e392/pacotaco345/IMAG0284-1.jpg

The blue line doesn't even need to be on the other side of the box, just across the front.

[anarchyperf]

Alright... after playing with my box for a little :naughty:... These are my findings

0 offset wheels
Negative Camber Raises car to a point. After some pretty extreme camber it begins to lower it.

Positive Offset Wheels
Negative Camber always Raises height. Until Extreme Camber

Negative Offest Wheels
Raises height until a certain point if close to 0 offset. With a wheel with a greater negative offset it always lowers the height. At what point it raisies and lowers I'm not sure but I believe it's relative to tire width.

[pacotaco345]

Alright... after playing with my box for a little :naughty:... These are my findings

0 offset wheels
Negative Camber Raises car to a point. After some pretty extreme camber it begins to lower it.

Positive Offset Wheels
Negative Camber always Raises height. Until Extreme Camber

Negative Offest Wheels
Raises height until a certain point if close to 0 offset. With a wheel with a greater negative offset it always lowers the height. At what point it raisies and lowers I'm not sure but I believe it's relative to tire width.

Quoted for the truth

[JKL1031]

if you're stretching the fuck out of a tire and you crank dat, wouldnt you be lower because of how the tire sits on the wheel? they arent square like most normal tires regular folks use, therefor, not raising it. idk, just thoughts

Das wat I was thinking...but it doesn't relate to suspension height, just the tire is standing taller with camber than flat.

[articdragon192]

Quoted for the truth

Except that didn't apply to my car, lol

[pacotaco345]

Except that didn't apply to my car, lol

did you measure your ride height immediately after you set the car down or did you drive it around to let the coils settle first?...

[!Zar!]

Except that didn't apply to my car, lol

Same here.

[JKL1031]

All that box proves is a point on that box becomes Huber or lower based on its position. What really needs attention is what happens to the suspension when that spindle/axle on the knuckle is pointed upwards; in which I think lowers the suspension. To back that up, more camber is what happens when u dump a stock car down with people in the back. The height lowers and the tire cambers. I'm not saying I'm right, but this should have been cleared up by someone by now.

[EsChassisLove]

Wrong.

Negative camber will lower the car.

Oops, Mr Ong beat me to it.

Gotta ask, are you a serious bieber nutswinger? Or did you lose a bet?

OP-Get a clue brah

[!Zar!]

Gotta ask, are you a serious bieber nutswinger? Or did you lose a bet?

OP-Get a clue brah

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Just shout whenever
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What are you saying?
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Im Like baby, baby, baby oh
I thought you'd always be mine, mine
Baby, baby, baby oh
Im Like baby, baby, baby no
Im like baby, baby, baby oh
I thought you'd always be mine, mine

[pacotaco345]

^^ I hate Justin Bieber and I know the lyrics to that song... If you're a REAL fan you should record yourself singing his Christmas song.

[articdragon192]

did you measure your ride height immediately after you set the car down or did you drive it around to let the coils settle first?...

I had the car like that for weeks. It annoyed the fuck out of me until I finally turned down the collars to go back down.

[EsChassisLove]

^^ I hate Justin Bieber and I know the lyrics to that song... If you're a REAL fan you should record yourself singing his Christmas song.

Hahaha, this.

I dont hate him, just some of his songs. I like that one. No homo

[280zx2by2]

Alright... after playing with my box for a little :naughty:... These are my findings that I came up with from playing with legos.

0 offset wheels
Negative Camber Raises car to a point. After some pretty extreme camber it begins to lower it.

Positive Offset Wheels
Negative Camber always Raises height. Until Extreme Camber

Negative Offest Wheels
Raises height until a certain point if close to 0 offset. With a wheel with a greater negative offset it always lowers the height. At what point it raisies and lowers I'm not sure but I believe it's relative to tire width.


No.


The angle at which your suspension sits at is going to lower your car far greater than the rise of the tire when you add more negative camber (of which is ONLY going to happen on a HIGH positive offset wheel.

If I gave enough shits I would make a GIF so you could see but as all you guys can do is draw on napkins a spit rhetoric hearsay I'm not wasting my time because the ones of which have actually gone out and done these things are going to know the truth.

[JKL1031]

u niine teeen? heyyy boiii. u smart. :hey: