is it just me??? Overpriced 240's

[ryandh]

Ok, before you bash this thread and call me a 'noob', grow up. With that said, if you disagree, post your opinion. I'm on skylineowners, and 6mt and I'm not a broke punk ass teenager so lets just get that straight.

Now, with that being said, here is the reason I started this thread. I have noticed that in the cars for sale section, there seem to be a lot of over priced s13's and s14's. Seriously... Almost bone stock high mileage, or salvage title, no rims included type sales, $3k and $4k s13/s14's going
for 7-10k... Seems a little ridiculous. And the funny thing is, all the threads seem to include a disclaimer somewhat along these lines, " If you don't like the price then fuck you and leave". Seems a little weird that people actually pay 2-4 times the value of these cars, even when they're SOMEWHAT modified. I guess 200k+ miles on bone stock KA's and cheap ass SR's are worth 8-10K. I really hate to say this, but people need to get a grip on prices.

I came to this forum in search of a clean ass S14 with 10K in hand, and to my surpise, I can't find one...Weird, I have seen plenty of 03-'04 G35 coupes for 10k, with equal amount of miles, but 5-6 years newer. Kind of strange, and I hope I'm not the only one who thinks that.

For the ones out there who have nice examples, you are the exception. What I mean by that is great paint, builds and swaps done the right way, completely working and functional interiors, decent miles etc etc...
But for the other high mileage clunkers out there, get over yourselves and realize your $3500 car is not worth 6-9k.

Bash away if you wish to be immature about it, or leave an actual opinion, or maybe some clarification. Keep in mind, I'm not new to the whole 'jdm' scene, so if you feel the need to explain anything, do try the, 'Oh, it's cause they are rare'...they're not. Hakosuka's and kenmeri's are rare... USDM s13's and s14's and the parts for them that are cheap and easily accessable are not rare.

[DriftN00b]

drift tax. Close thread.

[ryandh]

drift tax. Close thread.

....brilliant

[gunmetalr32]

ae86 gt-s are kbb at $500 max and the market value is like $5k

mk4 supras twin turbo are kbb at $20k-25k but a clean one will run like $30k-35k

kbb and market value are 2 different things.. and people will pay more for a non molested car

[ryandh]

ae86 gt-s are kbb at $500 max and the market value is like $5k

mk4 supras twin turbo are kbb at $20k-25k but a clean one will run like $30k-35k

kbb and market value are 2 different things.. and people will pay more for a non molested car

I understand market value, this is not my first go around.

[ryandh]

example:

"I have a '95 BONE stock 240 for sale. Has 235k miles. I'm asking 6500, if you don't like it, piss off."

This made up listing right there is not too far off from some of the listings I have seen within the last month. Maybe I'm the only sane one here who can see that a cheap ass easily accessable car is not worth 3 times its actual value.

[gunmetalr32]

I understand market value, this is not my first go around.
then i really don't understand your question..

because that is exactly what it is.. a you can still find a busted ass s13 for kbb pricing and like any car you might have to pay more for a clean one.. i remember back in the day (2004) i bought a 1991 s13 coupe for $200 (not in the best condition -exterior) and it ran perfect after a basic tune up... now the same car will fetch $1800.. DRIFT TAX.

[cc4usmc]

With your attitude, I can definitely see this thread going places.

[collegekid]

its all the hype about drifting and shit that led to this. And also the fact that there are idiots out there that pay these ridiculous prices so the cycle continues. Just keep searching on here and craigslist and you will eventually run into someone selling at a reasonable price. Theres nothing anyone really can do, its a collective problem and there will always be kids that have parents who buy them everything, so what are you gonna do?

[tqstarburst]

Seems to me like your trying to buy a fully built, sr powered 240 for 10k.

Real cars are not bought, they're built.

[harrypotter]

I don't see this as a problem, if you don't like the price just don't buy. Pretty simple!

[ryandh]

Seems to me like your trying to buy a fully built, sr powered 240 for 10k.

Real cars are not bought, they're built.

You must think I'm new to life...

No sir, I'm not looking to buy a super built SR... I am trying to find a decent, somewhat STOCK SR, s14, not a rust bucket with a million miles...

[PerilousActs]

I paid $900 for my unmolested, rust-free, S13 and $500 for a rust free kouki S14.

If you're not looking to pay the drift tax, don't look in places where it will be at it's highest (aka here). Check newspapers, autotrader (if it's even in print still, haven't looked in the past year), and craigslist. Networking with people in the car scene always lands good deals too. Auctions are amazing too.

http://www.copart.com/c2/homeSearch.html?_eventId=getLot&execution=e4s1&lotId=23158191&returnPage=SEARCH_RESULTS

[gunmetalr32]

example:

"I have a '95 BONE stock 240 for sale. Has 235k miles. I'm asking 6500, if you don't like it, piss off."

This made up listing right there is not too far off from some of the listings I have seen within the last month. Maybe I'm the only sane one here who can see that a cheap ass easily accessable car is not worth 3 times its actual value.
you can ask all you want.. but what it sells for is 2 different things too.. if he's asking too much no one will buy it. then he has 2 options

1. keep it
or
2.lower his price till it sells

economics 101

a bone stock kouki will sell for $6500 because it's harder to find..

With your attitude, I can definitely see this thread going places.
me too

its all the hype about drifting and shit that led to this. And also the fact that there are idiots out there that pay these ridiculous prices so the cycle continues. Just keep searching on here and craigslist and you will eventually run into someone selling at a reasonable price. Theres nothing anyone really can do, its a collective problem and there will always be kids that have parents who buy them everything, so what are you gonna do?drift tax

[ryandh]

like I said, just trying to get some opinions here.

[codyace]

I came to this forum in search of a clean ass S14 with 10K in hand, and to my surpise, I can't find one...Weird, I have seen plenty of 03-'04 G35 coupes for 10k, with equal amount of miles, but 5-6 years newer. Kind of strange, and I hope I'm not the only one who thinks that.

Then why not get the newer, nicer, quieter, more reliable(well, ya know), more powerful (stock), better handling car instead of looking at 15 year old underpowered POS S14?

The easy way is to look at it like this:
Unmolested, 5speed, SE Kouki's have historically sold between 5500-8000 dollars depending on mileage and true cleanlyness. Sure you could find one for 3000-4000 dollars, but you're undoubtedly going to spend another 1000-2000 dollars just to get it back into shape (persay, swapping to 5 lug, swapping to 5 speed, repairing any body damage, etc etc....now putting you back into the low end of the 'realm' for a clean in the first place.

Trust me, quite a few years ago I too debated buying a 4 lug, Automatic Zenki with low miles for 3500 bucks. Then I figured it's gonna cost me an easy 500-700 to do a NISSAN 5 lug, another couple hundred for the 5 speed swap and associated parts, then easily a grand for the Kouki conversion with quality OEM parts, Money on brakes for the 5 lug, etc etc. In the end I figured I'd need to put an easy 2000 dollars into it to just to get it 'kinda near' what I was finding for 6000-6500 dollars. My time was more valuable than saving a couple bucks, and I wasn't gonna deal with sourcing crap from deadbeat sellers to make my car look 'sorta close' to the already 'done/clean' OEM examples.

[Project S13]

Yea bro what these folks are saying makes sence. Every year that passes it gets a bit tuffer to find a clean UN molested 240sx, somebody that has one will tax.

[ryandh]

With your attitude, I can definitely see this thread going places.

with my attitude... who says I have an attitude? So starting a thread to get some opinions means I have an attitude?

this place seems a lot more hostile than most other forums.

[kalypso123]

350z's are f'in affordable and nice.

but im 6'3" and the leg room has been questionable each time I've tried one.

[gunmetalr32]

with my attitude... who says I have an attitude? So starting a thread to get some opinions means I have an attitude?

this place seems a lot more hostile than most other forums.
welcome to zilvia..

[Dsic240sx]

Ricer tax. S-chassis are average cars AT BEST. Only reason why they were so popular in the first place was because they were so cheap to get, so it was good value for the money. But now everyone's overpaying just for some shitty ULTIMATE DORRIFFTOOO CAAARR cause they see other *SNIP*driving them. It's fucking disgusting.

[ryandh]

welcome to zilvia..

hahaha touche. Well, this pretty much answers my question I guess lol.

[ryandh]

Ricer tax. S-chassis are average cars AT BEST. Only reason why they were so popular in the first place was because they were so cheap to get, so it was good value for the money. But now everyone's overpaying just for some shitty ULTIMATE DORRIFFTOOO CAAARR cause they see other *SNIP* driving them. It's fucking disgusting.

I don't know about shitty. Some, yes, others no.

[Darren]

For what it's worth, i agree with you, I see shitty, 1/2 rotten s13s go for 2500 - 4000 all the time, most of them stock SOHC KA with Auto, and no frame rails.

It's just supply and demand, lots of people are getting them, so the sellers jack the price. The only way it'll return to normal is if buyers stop paying the prices...

[Umbys]

Idk i bought my clean ass kouki for like 8k 80k on motor and like 180+ on chassis.

[Mikey McFly]

http://bighugelabs.com/output/motivator541c142bfdc704c53ce3d21fb18ad8cd1440dbc8. jpghttp://cheezburger.com/Mikey_McFly/lolz/View/5466115584http://cheezburger.com/Mikey_McFly/lolz/View/5466115584

[turbociv910]

thats just how it is when everyone wants one. Look at civics, i was looking for a DD coupe and those shit boxes with no ac, ps, high miles, dirty as hell, are asking 4k when you used to buy them for 1800-2200.

Deals are out there.. just probly not on forums.. try checking local, my buddy found a stock 93 hatch with just over 100k completly stock, great condition, excellent running southern car and he paid like 3 for it.

[ryandh]

supply and demand in its finest example I guess.

[bataangpinoy]

supply and demand is correct. i hate the s13 because finding a clean shell is like trying to find a hot white chick in compton. if you find one thats decent, its been trashed around by a million others.

i had a 6pt caged, coiled, hydro ebrake'd e30 with a rebuilt m20b25(272* cam, heavy duty rockers with headers and tune), sparco speed 2, several sets of wheels, a spare motor, quick release, sachs sport clutch, 2 way lsd, and 10 pairs of tires.

I let it go for 5k which is market value for a track only e30 these days. a car built like that in here would go for twice that price, and lacks the build quality the bimmer had. i cant wait for the chance to step back into an e30 for track use. but this over priced shit is cray. its like the hondas all over again, but rwd and more flimsy.

[ryandh]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. Keep the opinions coming guys.

[InfraRed407]

I was just curious as to how being on skylineowners and 6mt back up your claim to not being a punk ass teenager. Both are public forums (skyline owners is not anymore) where anyone can join...

[saleaf]

with all this being said I don't feel like its over priced. You tell me... Am i asking too much? heres a link.

http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/419957-fs-socal-90-hatch-only-one-price.html


Sorry for the minor thread jack. But i feel like its relevant. I would like to know what others think. I feel like for what it is the price is low or at least reasonable. I try not to be that guy that thinks my shit dont stink. my car aint a gem but it could be very easily. Is it fair to factor that into the pricing? With a solid paint job and minor work i see cars like mine sell upwards of 7k.. I agree that rust buckets go for the same or more. Most 240s are over priced in my opinion. But the problem is and always will be that people pay. You cant stop an idiot from buying what they want. In the same aspect i used to be able to find a good car for demo derby no problem 200-500 bucks all day. But demo derby is a little bit of a deal in this town once a year now and the lowest you can find a good demo derby car around here is $1000 and up. Its all supply and demand...


I think its a complex equation for 240s.. something like.... low ride height+zip ties+5 speed - common sense = $$$$$

[ryandh]

I was just curious as to how being on skylineowners and 6mt back up your claim to not being a punk ass teenager. Both are public forums (skyline owners is not anymore) where anyone can join...

Graduated Highschool in 2004, did 4 years in the corps (two combat deployments one to Iraq and one to Afghanistan) as a machinegunner with 3/4 Kilo Co. in 29 palms... Here's my old car...
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z390/ryanhuerta1/r33-2.jpg
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z390/ryanhuerta1/r33.jpg


Who the fuck are you?

[ryandh]

with all this being said I don't feel like its over priced. You tell me... Am i asking too much? heres a link.

http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/419957-fs-socal-90-hatch-only-one-price.html


Sorry for the minor thread jack. But i feel like its relevant. I would like to know what others think. I feel like for what it is the price is low or at least reasonable. I try not to be that guy that thinks my shit dont stink. my car aint a gem but it could be very easily. Is it fair to factor that into the pricing? With a solid paint job and minor work i see cars like mine sell upwards of 7k.. I agree that rust buckets go for the same or more. Most 240s are over priced in my opinion. But the problem is and always will be that people pay. You cant stop an idiot from buying what they want. In the same aspect i used to be able to find a good car for demo derby no problem 200-500 bucks all day. But demo derby is a little bit of a deal in this town once a year now and the lowest you can find a good demo derby car around here is $1000 and up. Its all supply and demand...


I think its a complex equation for 240s.. something like.... low ride height+zip ties+5 speed - common sense = $$$$$

No, you're right in the ballpark. Clean swap, not a rust bucket..

[saleaf]

Cool... I just wanted to know what you thought since you brought it up.. Thanks

[InfraRed407]

Graduated Highschool in 2004, did 4 years in the corps (two combat deployments one to Iraq and one to Afghanistan) as a machinegunner with 3/4 Kilo Co. in 29 palms... Here's my old car...
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z390/ryanhuerta1/r33-2.jpg
http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z390/ryanhuerta1/r33.jpg


Who the fuck are you?

cool story, bro. want me to post pictures of my skyline too? no one said you weren't a punk ass teenager, but adding that you are on those two forums don't add a single ounce of validity to your point, so i was curious as to why you felt the need to mention them.

[ryandh]

cool story, bro. want me to post pictures of my skyline too? no one said you weren't a punk ass teenager, but adding that you are on those two forums don't add a single ounce of validity to your point, so i was curious as to why you felt the need to mention them.


You don't understand.

You probably think because of my low post count that I'm new to this shit, don't you. It validates that I'm not new to forums and how shit works.

[kalypso123]

honestly Ryan, this topic has been debated hotly dozens of times. I know you don't use zilvia a lot so its important not to get hot when people call you out. This site has more technical know-how then most online forums. Hence easy questions tend to irritate the community and illicit much sarcasms. The secret with two forties is to buy them out of state. Here in NY s13's with swaps run about 7 - 8k, but in florida they go for about 3800 - 5000.

[ryandh]

any mod here please close this thread.

[Wake]

I dont see what the big deall is. I have never paid more than $2k for a 240sx (s13) and I have bought.

'91 coupe 5sp - $2k in '02 (bought from 2nd owner)
'92 coupe 5sp - $1800 (with silvia front and bashed door)
'91 coupe 5sp - $500 (clean complete shell, no motor working 5sp)
'89 coupe auto - $700 (2nd owner, I replaced radiator/h2o pump/thermo/etc for $200)
'92 coupe auto - $800 (idled funny, got water on the ecu, bought new ecu for $40)
'93 hatch auto - $1800 (LE, power everything)
'89 hatch auto - $1300 (Runs fine)
'89 coupe auto - $1500 (2tone, runs fine)

my buddy has come across
'89 coupe auto - $300 (2tone, drove the piss out of it and got it impounded)
'91 coupe 5sp - $500 (no motor came with 5sp tranny, cage, coils, exhaust, and wheels)
'94 vert auto - $300 (sitting in some ladies driveway)

Depends on when and where you look and how long your willing to wait to find what you want. Having what you think is a fair amount of cash in hand also helps. Just start making offers. Most people will come down pretty quick.

You cant piss and moan about every overpriced part or car you come across, just laugh at it and move on. Eventually you will find what your looking for. No point in starting a thread and getting all huffy about it.

[jiggysnitz]

Ok, before you bash this thread and call me a 'noob', grow up. With that said, if you disagree, post your opinion. I'm on skylineowners, and 6mt and I'm not a broke punk ass teenager so lets just get that straight.

Now, with that being said, here is the reason I started this thread. I have noticed that in the cars for sale section, there seem to be a lot of over priced s13's and s14's. Seriously... Almost bone stock high mileage, or salvage title, no rims included type sales, $3k and $4k s13/s14's going
for 7-10k... Seems a little ridiculous. And the funny thing is, all the threads seem to include a disclaimer somewhat along these lines, " If you don't like the price then fuck you and leave". Seems a little weird that people actually pay 2-4 times the value of these cars, even when they're SOMEWHAT modified. I guess 200k+ miles on bone stock KA's and cheap ass SR's are worth 8-10K. I really hate to say this, but people need to get a grip on prices.

I came to this forum in search of a clean ass S14 with 10K in hand, and to my surpise, I can't find one...Weird, I have seen plenty of 03-'04 G35 coupes for 10k, with equal amount of miles, but 5-6 years newer. Kind of strange, and I hope I'm not the only one who thinks that.

For the ones out there who have nice examples, you are the exception. What I mean by that is great paint, builds and swaps done the right way, completely working and functional interiors, decent miles etc etc...
But for the other high mileage clunkers out there, get over yourselves and realize your $3500 car is not worth 6-9k.

Bash away if you wish to be immature about it, or leave an actual opinion, or maybe some clarification. Keep in mind, I'm not new to the whole 'jdm' scene, so if you feel the need to explain anything, do try the, 'Oh, it's cause they are rare'...they're not. Hakosuka's and kenmeri's are rare... USDM s13's and s14's and the parts for them that are cheap and easily accessable are not rare.
Unfortunately I don't think there is anything in your train of thought that is actually correc(IMO). 240s, or any car for that matter, are not worth whatever KBB says. A car is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

If you want a clean and cheap 240, great. Keep looking and one will show up eventually. However an individual opinion does not have a large enough effect on the market to change prices so how much you think the car is worth may be irrelevant to how much it will sell for.

For whatever reason 240s are currently highly desirable and people are willing to pay. So yes the s14 examples you gave are worth the asking price.

As proof I just traded my 95 s14 with basic sr ECT for an 03 s2000 that put down 500hp and came with 10k of engine build receipts.


CLIFF NOTES: Cars are worth what people will pay for them.

[ryandh]

Bro, where in my original post does 'KBB' appear? This thread was created to get opinions, not to bash it.

[Frankz91]

I bought my s13 for 800 bone stock missing posts here and there but with $9000 left I'll have a clean ass 240 so buy a clunker and have pride in building ur car little by little

[chwks13]

Take it easy, "bro".

Cars are worth what people will pay. It's been said probably 5 times, and will be said many more. You just gotta be smart with your money, and you can build a nice car for a decent amount of money.

Bro.

[ryandh]

I shouldnt have put the skyline money to the mortgage lol. My plan was to buy a somewhat decent s14 kouki, w/ a fairly stock KA or SR with decent miles for around 10k. From what I'm gathering from this 'hostile to new members who have an opinion' forum is that what I am asking is unheard of...

[J.bell]

This is an awesome thread BTW. I have to agree that Kids jack up the prices on thier molested cars way too much. IMO, its not only drift tax, some people think that sentimental value is material, and its not. Just because they LOVE thier POS, they hacked and spliced to make work, they think everyone else feels the same about said vehicle. Its funny because I just got my first USDM 240 w/ an sr red top in it, and this car was more than molested, it was gang raped by multiple owners with bad craftsmanship. The kid I got it from wanted 6k for this junker with WAY to many problems to list. I told him 1800, or Ill trade him a built (and severly bagged, which I didnt mention) VW GTI and 800 on his end. He pretty much told me to get fugged ccuz he figured hed get asking price. Three weeks later I got an e-mail back from him, he took the VW and I got my sr 240 and 800. He now has a Golf that barely runs. Kahrma is sweet, and patience is a virtue.

[ryandh]

Take it easy, "bro".

Cars are worth what people will pay. It's been said probably 5 times, and will be said many more. You just gotta be smart with your money, and you can build a nice car for a decent amount of money.

Bro.

put a uh instead of an 'o' and add more emphasis on the 'H' and say it...just rolls off the tounge lol

[KiLLeR2001]

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[ryandh]

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wow, original killer2001.

You're a douchebag, along with all the other assholes on this forum. Real welcoming place here, hope you're proud of it.

[qwerth]

drift tax pretty much answers his question

[ryandh]

mods, close this thread please. I guess the feeling to bash a thread overcomes the maturity level to leave an actual opinion...

[KiLLeR2001]

wow, original killer2001.

You're a douchebag, along with all the other assholes on this forum. Real welcoming place here, hope you're proud of it.

I suggest you read these forums more before spouting off pointless threads such as this one. If you've been around Nissans long enough, you shouldn't even need to ask a question so dumb.

Considering you were in the military I'm sure you understand how ranking systems work. No one is going to pay you an ounce of respect until you've put in your time here and show some respect. Posting a picture of your alleged Skyline and asking someone "Who the fuck are you?" is pretty much the lamest thing you can do here, especially when you just signed up.

I'm sure you'll respond to this reply because you seem like the type that has to get the last word in. I won't be replying to you again, however.

Also, thank you for your service.

[joe645733]

It's just a fad and a "style".
A lot of 17-18 olders keep things like this alive.
There's maybe a small handful of cars I've run into with the build and condition where the price was reasonable. Were the 240sx's really that expensive back in the day? No.
If the title says "daily drifter", people on here are brainwashed to think it's iLL or whatever the fuck words they use in drift language. It's like pokemon...it was cool for a year then you grow out of it...except I'd still be down to play the games.

The whole style has really hurt the resale of my car. It's really sad to see a family car that was once brand new with a sticker price of 17k, go for 17k.
While my low mileage, clean, stock paint 300zxtt that is fully loaded with a sticker price of near 40k gets worse resale value.

[eddieflo]

wow, original killer2001.

You're a douchebag, along with all the other assholes on this forum. Real welcoming place here, hope you're proud of it.

1. You DO have an attitude...

2. You're whining about something that nobody can or will change

3. You'll complain until it comes time to sell that kouki you want to build, after all the money and time you spent on it.

4. If you have to tell people that you're not a punk ass kid, then you probably are one...

[ryandh]

*facepalm* this forum is ridiculous. I'm out...

[Wake]

shortest stay on zilvia EVAR!

http://troll.me/images/pissed-off-obama/agree-no-more-random-peace-out.jpg

[joe645733]

I suggest you read these forums more before spouting off pointless threads such as this one. If you've been around Nissans long enough, you shouldn't even need to ask a question so dumb.

Considering you were in the military I'm sure you understand how ranking systems work. No one is going to pay you an ounce of respect until you've put in your time here and show some respect. Posting a picture of your alleged Skyline and asking someone "Who the fuck are you?" is pretty much the lamest thing you can do here, especially when you just signed up.

I'm sure you'll respond to this reply because you seem like the type that has to get the last word in. I won't be replying to you again, however.

Also, thank you for your service.

That's pretty sad you take people's post seriously only by their rank lol.

[canasion35]

i agree with OP. but also don't like that attitude he's got.

[eddieflo]

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy107/Kernumius/kvcLf.gif

[Wake]

That's pretty sad you take people's post seriously only by their rank lol.

Its pretty sad that thats all you got outta that.

[canasion35]

http://i782.photobucket.com/albums/yy107/Kernumius/kvcLf.gif

rofl, well done well done

[joe645733]

Its pretty sad that thats all you got outta that.

?
I simply posted a reply to a statement of his...
It's pretty sad you weren't able to see that.

"You can't explain that".

[Walperstyle]

I paid about $5000 for a 91 black 240sx coupe, automatic in 2007 simply because it had zero rust, zero accidents, and super low milage.

I'm one of the few people that will pay more for a chassis that is in good shape. Its so much easier then to buy a rusted junker.

Remember, a car's value is only as much as you can sell it for. Like the guys selling expensive cars here, they only has to find that one buyer. So think about that before you trash someones FS thread. its not worth what you think it is, its worth what some retard will pay, and it only takes one retard to buy it... instead of trashing a thread, how about being glad a fellow nissan owner got some good money from some retard

cheers!

[sidewaysil80]

did 4 years in the corps (two combat deployments one to Iraq and one to Afghanistan) as a machinegunner with 3/4 Kilo Co. in 29 palms...
Who the fuck are you?

yeah, cause that makes you a cool guy. get that shit out of here. you expect people to kiss your ass because you volunteered to join the military? what does that have to do with your knowledge and history with s/z chassis. jeez, you were waiting for someone to call you out so you can throw that card out there huh?

[jiggysnitz]

I shouldnt have put the skyline money to the mortgage lol. My plan was to buy a somewhat decent s14 kouki, w/ a fairly stock KA or SR with decent miles for around 10k. From what I'm gathering from this 'hostile to new members who have an opinion' forum is that what I am asking is unheard of...


Baiscally every single part on my car had under 10k miles on it besides the SR and trans which were from Japanland so 60k ish I assume. It was listed on here for 10k for a month. I dont know what you are talking about, there are tons of nice cars for 10k

[DertyDan]

SOMETHING IS ONLY WORTH WHAT SOMEONE IS WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.

cliffnotes to this entire thread: im right, everyone else is wrong, get the last word in, bro yada yada bro bro, fuck you.

[Wake]

Wow
I didnt think this thread could fail any harder.

Thanks for proving me wrong.

[Wake]

gtfo!
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[eddieflo]

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[xBandiTx]

I agree, most 240s i see are overpriced and still seem to have something wrong with them

[Quail]

Ok, before you bash this thread and call me a 'noob', grow up.

I'm not a broke punk ass teenager so lets just get that straight.

get over yourselves

Bash away if you wish to be immature about it

I'm not new to the whole 'jdm' scene

Wow, this is the most defensive whiny bitch opening post I've ever seen. Are you insecure or something? Something is seriously up with your attitude; you don't get respect on a forum by immediately putting its memberbase down.

You can't come in here throwing your weight around, and then complain about it when people call you out...

[Walperstyle]

SOMETHING IS ONLY WORTH WHAT SOMEONE IS WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.

cliffnotes to this entire thread: im right, everyone else is wrong, get the last word in, bro yada yada bro bro, fuck you.

19 year old....

[doomviillain]

I've noticed a few overpriced 240's as well but what can be done about it?
There's clean s13's / s14's out there at a decent price, all it takes is searching and patience. Patience is actually the requirement.

[sidewaysil80]

19 year old....

he's right, no?

[Walperstyle]

he's right, no?

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/10/10500/10752907.jpg

[sidewaysil80]

http://memegenerator.net/cache/instances/400x/10/10500/10752907.jpg

maybe i misunderstood your post. it seems like you saying his statement isn't valid because he's 19.

[Walperstyle]

maybe i misunderstood your post. it seems like you saying his statement isn't valid because he's 19.

No, I was pointing out that he's telling me to 'fuck off' and assuming I'm trying to get the last word instead of offering a different way to zilvians to look at fellow zilvians. Now; For some reason now you are involved? (this why I'm confused)

I talk to people here as if they were in the same room, and if someone has an expensive car for sale, all the power to them, if you are interested in buying, PM them with a counter offer, dont say 'holy drift tax yo' in the thread. I'd love to see someone from zilvia sell a car for a lot of money, all the power to the seller and buyer that is obviously happy with paying the outrageous price.

Its a mature way to barter.

Thanks
-James Walper
120 Crawford
Red Deer
Alberta
Canada

I'm not hiding behind my a screen name telling other people to f-off.
Cheers!

[doomviillain]

if ur looking to spend 10k on a clean kouki s14 pick up this one

http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/416989-1996-nissan-240sx-s14-kouki-clean.html

[DertyDan]

no lol, that is another 19 year old that also shared his input. and i wasnt telling you to fuck off. infact, i wasnt telling anyone to fuck off. i was summing up all of the people bickering in this thread with what it sounds like to me. no need to be so serious dude sheesh get a sense of humor.


and before you go through all my posts trying to find something to make fun of me about, i do own a 240sx. i have a build thread for it on a local forum and this is my 5th one. i have made money selling every car ive owned to these retards you speak of.

[Quail]

No, I was pointing out that he's telling me to 'fuck off' and assuming I'm trying to get the last word instead of offering a different way to zilvians to look at fellow zilvians. Now; For some reason now you are involved? (this why I'm confused)

I talk to people here as if they were in the same room, and if someone has an expensive car for sale, all the power to them, if you are interested in buying, PM them with a counter offer, dont say 'holy drift tax yo' in the thread. I'd love to see someone from zilvia sell a car for a lot of money, all the power to the seller and buyer that is obviously happy with paying the outrageous price.

Its a mature way to barter.

Thanks
-James Walper
120 Crawford
Red Deer
Alberta
Canada

I'm not hiding behind my a screen name telling other people to f-off.
Cheers!

I think you have the wrong end of the stick. I believe Derty Dan was summarising the views of ryandh with his cliffnotes.

Edit - Whoops, beaten to it by the man himself.

[Walperstyle]

ok, lets go out for some beers, i buy

[iStayBroke]

This was very entertaining...

[codyace]

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought this. Keep the opinions coming guys.

There are no no opinions. Pay to play. If you think the pricing is wack, but the G/Z

[jesse_s13]

Supply and demand son.
I got a good deal on my s14 but not everyone takes the time to look. Most are honda owners crossing over. So they will pay, good for the seller but bad for the buyers. But what can you do.
Keep looking and quit whining thanks;)

[Walperstyle]

If you think the price is wack.... PM COUNTER OFFER, dont post openly.

I've bought so much stuff on here, lots for good deals because I PM'd the people. Made it a little more personal, being I was actually interested.

[Wake]

All I know is for $10K I could build a fucking dope complete s14.

If you have the money and your so skilled, whats the issue?


- Buy someone elses project with a straight body and clean title.
- sell all usless parts off project.
- Rebuild to your own specs.
- get bitches (if thats what your into)

[joe645733]

if ur looking to spend 10k on a clean kouki s14 pick up this one

http://zilvia.net/f/cars-sale/416989-1996-nissan-240sx-s14-kouki-clean.html

It is pretty clean, but if it had an Sr motor in it, It would've been a fair price.

[n8RPS13]

Im with you bro! I have had 5 S13's since 01 and have never paid more than 2k, but most needed work or a engine swap. Just keep on the lookout is all you can do. The most recent one I bought for 1500 it was delivered to my house not running but came with a fresh ka24de and 5 speed tranny and all new leather seats front and rear as well as the doors, but was not installed. So point is yeah it was cheap but needed lots of work. I also searched my ass off for all my cars and was patient and didn't just jump on the first one. Good luck man!

[onlydrinkkoolaid]

drift tax. Close thread.

haha damn....

[joe645733]

haha damn....

It's true.
Bunch of brainwashed fanboys who buy the shit too.

[revat619]

I've been in the "game" for quite a while now and i must say that recently, the prices i see people selling cars for on here ARE pretty fucking stupid. BUT i dont care. I'm over these cars. Mine sits in the garage most of the time anyway.

fwiw, an engine swap,"cool" wheels, trendy coilovers, etc doesn't automatically mean a car is worth 5 figures. It's about QUALITY, but there are far too many douchecanoes nowadays who think otherwise....

and to that i say, whatthefuckever. :rolleyes:

[illvialuver]

By attitude people mean are referring to your opening statement of what forums you are on and dropping the name skyline like it is supposed to mean something. All that means to me, is that you have too much more or someone has giving you too much money and you think that your money or the car you drive makes you better than someone else.


As for your original question. It is all supply and demand. There are far less s14s than there are g35s.
And to top it off, it seems to make sense that more s14s and s13s that were made have been wrecked or destroyed in accidents than g35s.

Plus, in the states an s14 is the newest model you can buy. Unlike the g37 which diminished the value of the g35, there has yet to be a new s chassis.

Also, if everyone knows an s13 is worth no more than 1500. But clean, like really clean one owner ones will go for 5k bone stock all day. If one kid pays 7 k for a 1500$ car, then that cause the average value of that car to go up.

So dont come in here and ask why shit costs how much it does. It just seems kind of ironic, that some skyline forum guy comes into the s chassis game with 10 and is bitching about the quality of cars he can or cant afford with that amount of money.

It is what it is, so you should just learn to swallow the pill and deal with it. the first response basically summed up what I just explained to you in a couple words.

[wonpoo]

GO TALK TO THIS GUY! HE IS SELLING FOR CHEAP CHEAP BRO!

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/410791-what-worth-1997-deep-fuchsia-240sx-se.html

[illvialuver]

oh how funny, the guy/bro " without an attitude, who started this thread, was bitching about not find a kouki for under 10k, and now someone posted one for his dumb as for half of the price he was wiling to pay, but it is too late he supposedly left the forum. oh the irony.

[joe645733]

I've been in the "game" for quite a while now and i must say that recently, the prices i see people selling cars for on here ARE pretty fucking stupid. BUT i dont care. I'm over these cars. Mine sits in the garage most of the time anyway.

fwiw, an engine swap,"cool" wheels, trendy coilovers, etc doesn't automatically mean a car is worth 5 figures. It's about QUALITY, but there are far too many douchecanoes nowadays who think otherwise....

and to that i say, whatthefuckever. :rolleyes:

ThaAaank you

[chriskilla2]

im guessing most of us have 240sx y are we bitching about the price of our cars increasing?? i think of it as a way that less scrubs and ricers get it.. 240sx should NEVER be honda cheap.....

[Danial]

im guessing most of us have 240sx y are we bitching about the price of our cars increasing?? i think of it as a way that less scrubs and ricers get it.. 240sx should NEVER be honda cheap.....
Exactly, idk why this hasn't been mentioned...

also,
S13s will soon all be able to be historic, idk how that works in other places besides md, but i can't wait for mine to hit the 20 year mark and never have to worry about getting emissions, inspection, tickets from douche cops because I have coilovers (that aren't even ridiculously low)

fixing up 20yr old car = gain VALUE

And there's usually a reason people say "this price or gtfo" is that they don't want to sell it for less than that and don't want to deal with joe the con man trying to trade them a blown car and 1000 bucks

If i see people selling their cars for 6k i'm sure as hell gonna start my price there, I would be stupid not to

[xislander]

Anyone here play league of legends? Jw. Bye.

[Walperstyle]

im guessing most of us have 240sx y are we bitching about the price of our cars increasing?? i think of it as a way that less scrubs and ricers get it.. 240sx should NEVER be honda cheap.....

Why? its not like its an Aston Martin...

[Darren]

Cars will always decrease in value, unless they are something super collectable... but then people aren't buying the car so much as the image.

240s are increasing in price right now, but that's just supply and demand, nothing to do with the cars themselves... they'll come back down

Just gotta look hard and there's some good deals out there, problem for most people is those are becoming harder to find...

[raz0rbladez909]

im guessing most of us have 240sx y are we bitching about the price of our cars increasing?? i think of it as a way that less scrubs and ricers get it.. 240sx should NEVER be honda cheap.....
That is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Define "Honda cheap"; Because guess what? There are plenty of better built Honda's out there than alot of the POS's that have been popping up on here lately. You act like there should be an "entry fee" to become part of the cool guy club that you see the 240sx community to be. It's a car, you aren't special because you own a 240sx and are part of the mad tyte dorifto jdm scene; and who the fuck uses the term "scrubs" anymore.
NoKufWbP_L4
Exactly, idk why this hasn't been mentioned...

also,
S13s will soon all be able to be historic, idk how that works in other places besides md, but i can't wait for mine to hit the 20 year mark and never have to worry about getting emissions, inspection, tickets from douche cops because I have coilovers (that aren't even ridiculously low)

fixing up 20yr old car = gain VALUE

And there's usually a reason people say "this price or gtfo" is that they don't want to sell it for less than that and don't want to deal with joe the con man trying to trade them a blown car and 1000 bucks

If i see people selling their cars for 6k i'm sure as hell gonna start my price there, I would be stupid not to

A 240sx is not going to gain value as it ages, it is not a collectors car, and it is not special. I don't know how you two noobs can justify the stupidity of the statements you just made. The reason people have the "this price or GTFO" is because A. They actually have a nice car with nice parts on it which is justifiable or B. They are a fanboy who thinks their rattle canned POS is going to triple in value because it has an SR.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Its still funny how people are complaining about S-chassis prices now. It was worst 3 yrs ago, before the economy tanked. There were folks selling clean, stock S14 chassis for $10k and actually had people fighting over it.

But really, think of it this way. There isnt a whole lot of theses cars like it used to be. Between bastards writing these cars off as throw away chassis and more folks jumping into the bandwagon, there's simply not enough cars to go around. Somebody posted up a while ago about how much S-chassis are registered/running around the country right now. Theres not alot of them left...

Only reason I'm in another S14 now is cuz I don't want a damn car payment. I'd give myself a couple years to get situated again and I'd probably jump into a Z33 and get away from the 240sx crowd. I've been doing this shit for way too long, the crowd sucks now, these cars got too much negative following now...

[ManoNegra]

Only reason I'm in another S14 now is cuz I don't want a damn car payment. I'd give myself a couple years to get situated again and I'd probably jump into a Z33 and get away from the 240sx crowd. I've been doing this shit for way too long, the crowd sucks now, these cars got too much negative following now...

that's probably because the cheap asses that used to bicker about Honda prices
are now doing it here

years ago I wanted a Civic hatch to daily but didn't like the condition and prices they were going for
then I considered a 240z or 510 for a bit, same deal
I didn't make a thread crying about the inflated market of these cars
I simply didn't buy any of them and went elsewhere

shit is only worth what you're willing to pay for it
it may not be worth it to to you
but it is to enough people to dictate what the market is

[n8RPS13]

I dont let "the crowd" dictate what I own. I plain and simple love the
S chassis and dont really care about the scene anymore.

[nissanfreak317]

I've been in the "game" for quite a while now and i must say that recently, the prices i see people selling cars for on here ARE pretty fucking stupid. BUT i dont care. I'm over these cars. Mine sits in the garage most of the time anyway.

fwiw, an engine swap,"cool" wheels, trendy coilovers, etc doesn't automatically mean a car is worth 5 figures. It's about QUALITY, but there are far too many douchecanoes nowadays who think otherwise....

and to that i say, whatthefuckever. :rolleyes:

Douchecanoes

Douchecanoes

Douchecanoes :bowrofl:

[badbob2121]

shit is only worth what you're willing to pay for it
it may not be worth it to to you
but it is to enough people to dictate what the market is

I dont let "the crowd" dictate what I own. I plain and simple love the
S chassis and dont really care about the scene anymore.

I think this pretty much sums it up

[06_footy]

With your attitude, I can definitely see this thread going places.

This.

:down:

[EnemyS15]

THIS THREAD IS EPIC LAWLZ!!! PLS DONT CLOSE THIS!!!!

my 2c's ........you got 2 types of sellers

1 - the one who knows that he/she will not get what was put in, in terms of $$ and labor, but can find a good median in terms of what has been invested.

2 - the one who puts 3k into a car and thinks because it's better than stock, he/she can get double or more than what it is worth.

annnnnnnnnnnnd you have 2 types of buyers

1 - who knows the true value of a car and will purchase something of value (looks at craftmanship, quality, etc etc

2 - the idiot who buys over priced junk because ZOMG IT HAS AN SR IN IT and I can make my car go PSSSSHHH at every shift!


Since we can only justify OUR own possessions, just ignore the ones that are overpriced and continue to hunt for those true gems!


/end

[tricky_ab]

This thread...I don't even...

[Highway Riding]

I have a 1996 un molested SR Zenki for sale... I want 20 Fuggin K.. lol I also have an original Michael Jackson thriller album still in it's plastic.. I'll take $5000 for that! See how that works!

[06_footy]

I like turtles.

[biggie]

Wow this thing is still going. I have paid $14k for an S13, but it was a bit of a different time. As many have said, things are worth what people will pay. Used cars overall (especially certain types) have had a higher value lately.

[CrimsonRockett]

This is not the first (or last) time a thread like this pops up.

As always, something is only worth what a buyer is willing to pay for it. Having been in the S-chassis market for the past few years, you really get an idea as to what's worth what.

Anyone going based on KBB is an idiot. Don't get me wrong, it can definitely be applied to newer cars, but when it comes to older cars, you simply have to go with market value. If KBB states a low mileage, 5-speed LE '98 Kouki with all of the dealer options is worth $3,500, would you sell it at $3500? As long as everything checks out okay, that car would be worth $7500-8000.

One thing people have to realize is modifying a car does not add an insane amount of value to your car unless you're doing some over-the-top-professional-quality shit. An S13 with 5-lug, Z-brakes, coilovers, and wheels is not worth $10k (perfect example currently in the Cars for sale section). Anybody with enough car knowledge could easily put one together for much less with better parts.

A clean/stock S-chassis at times is worth more than its modified counterpart.


my 2c's ........you got 2 types of sellers

1 - the one who knows that he/she will not get what was put in, in terms of $$ and labor, but can find a good median in terms of what has been invested.

2 - the one who puts 3k into a car and thinks because it's better than stock, he/she can get double or more than what it is worth.

annnnnnnnnnnnd you have 2 types of buyers

1 - who knows the true value of a car and will purchase something of value (looks at craftmanship, quality, etc etc

2 - the idiot who buys over priced junk because ZOMG IT HAS AN SR IN IT and I can make my car go PSSSSHHH at every shift!

Since we can only justify OUR own possessions, just ignore the ones that are overpriced and continue to hunt for those true gems!

/end

Pretty much spot on.

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