Man faces 75 years in prison for recording cops

[slowvia]

Doesnt this just make your blood boil? I feel like this is a clear violation to the first amendment.
Courageous Illinois Man Faces 75 Years In Prison For Recording Cops - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNlJYSIzjoU&feature=related)

[roboticnissan]

Absolutely in fucking sane.

The constitution has to be held higher than a state law correct?

[BOROSUN]

wow fuck that law.

[Walperstyle]

:keke:Anyone thats going around recording cops sounds like a real stand up man.

frankly, most of you don't know the back story behind any of these tools of society. Yes there is bad cops, but really, some of these people need to be knocked out, tased etc.

Lawyers screwed up the US, the last thing we need is to be making looser rich by giving them a hope in court.

[travisty_]

...Seriously?

[tgd89]

Uh, wtf are you talking about? We need less loose rich people?

I'm no constitution expert, but I don't think you have rights to record others, I don't think that falls under free speech or freedom of press. States are allowed to make laws tougher than federal, but not otherwise I believe?

[Nidd]

didn't know Illinois was one of the states pulling this bullshit. don't really see what the big deal about recording cops is. they record everything we do / say when we talk with them. just seems like the government is trying to find loop holes to gain more authority then they actually have.

[slowvia]

Uh, wtf are you talking about? We need less loose rich people?

I'm no constitution expert, but I don't think you have rights to record others, I don't think that falls under free speech or freedom of press. States are allowed to make laws tougher than federal, but not otherwise I believe?

The police record every single traffic stop they have. They dont need permission, and they dont have to inform you of it either.
And technically I believe you are correct. America was founded on the opinion that the state government should have more control of itself than the federal government does. But these days I think its the other way around.

[Silverstone]

This is retarded.

[ronmcdon]

IL law is trying to frame vids as a form of 'wiretapping'.
Wiretapping = Felony if found guilty up to 15 yrs sentencing.
5 counts of wiretapping = Max possible sentencing up to 75 yrs.

I think that's an implausible stretch to say videotaping is akin to wiretapping
(hence the controversy & media attention).
If anything I feel this is, yet again, the states trying to push boundaries against the constitution.

Chances that the said dude will get 75 years is not likely.
I doubt he'll get much prison term at all.
(still it sucks to get caught up in this legal farce)
Should be an interesting case to follow.

[word sux]

the police are getting tired of having their crimes exposed


if they have nothing to hide then why is there a big problem


police state....

[onehundredoctane]

[QUOTE=word sux;4238579]the police are getting tired of having their crimes exposed

[QUOTE]


However true this statement may be, it doesn't change the fact that the police do not make the laws.

I would like to know what politician came up with this law then pushed to have it passed? There's your real corruption, law makers trying to help cover up dirty cops.

[superbike81]

the police are getting tired of having their crimes exposed


if they have nothing to hide then why is there a big problem


police state....

I understand what you are saying, but if the "nothing to hide" argument is valid, than it should be valid for the average citizen as well. But then everyone gets up in arms about privacy rights and stuff. But if you aren't doing anything wrong, you shouldn't be concerned with being randomly pulled over and having police do random searches of your belongings, right? :squintd:

[HalveBlue]

10$ says the Supreme Court is going to rule on this.

[xBandiTx]

this is bullshit! What are the other states thats doing this? i hope its not in cali

[HyperTek]

And people wonder why we say "fck the police" lol

[Walperstyle]

And people wonder why we say "fck the police" lol

I'm for a cop punching someone in the face for saying that.

Police save lives and catch criminals, but firemen only save lives...yet they are hero's. Maybe if many of you didn't get speeding tickers or told to turn down your music at a party you would have a different opinion of the Police.

[HyperTek]

I'm for a cop punching someone in the face for saying that.

Police save lives and catch criminals, but firemen only save lives...yet they are hero's. Maybe if many of you didn't get speeding tickers or told to turn down your music at a party you would have a different opinion of the Police.

Because this is every cop right? :drama:
http://www.seriesadictos.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/05/willis.jpg

don't worry, we are more upset with the law. Don't hate the cop, hate the system. =p

Sorry, if you are a minority and have dealt with a cop before, you may know why we say that. If you never got shafted by anyone than I can understand "all cops are good and they save people weeeeeee lets pick flowers"

[Walperstyle]

fair enough. There is bad apples in every group. I just hate the hatebreeder's on youtube especially.

I knew a guy that got shot and killed in Tailand while on vacation a few years ago by an off duty cop. The media made the guy seem like a hero, and the cop a villian. First hand knowing this guy, he was probably trying to buy drugs off of someone, in a foreign country none the less. Not 100% positive but thats likely how it went down. some people have it coming to them.

[HyperTek]

I understand dude, i hate stereotyping them i know there are some good ones out there, these stories just kind of fuel us

[evomike]

This recently happened to someone else i forget the state where it took place but a man was arrested for recording police and well it didn't stand up at all.

[tgd89]

10$ says the Supreme Court is going to rule on this.

Agreed.

The police record every single traffic stop they have. They dont need permission, and they dont have to inform you of it either.
And technically I believe you are correct. America was founded on the opinion that the state government should have more control of itself than the federal government does. But these days I think its the other way around.

But the constitution and state law isn't preventing them either, like it or not a state agency has more power than the average citizen. There is a state law (while a stretch at wiretapping) that could be interpreted against what he did, also the constitution was not written in mind with the ability to record or monitor anyone digitally.

[slowvia]

Agreed.



But the constitution and state law isn't preventing them either, like it or not a state agency has more power than the average citizen. There is a state law (while a stretch at wiretapping) that could be interpreted against what he did, also the constitution was not written in mind with the ability to record or monitor anyone digitally.
Thats debatable. One could argue that the fifth amendment protects us from such videotaping of citizens against their wishes. And Im sorry but the police have no more rights than any other citizen... at least technically.

[tgd89]

There's definitely no fine line, I'm curious how would you argue that the fifth protects against this? I agree the police have not more rights than regular people on paper, but there is a difference in a court room if you are a cop.

[slowvia]

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation
IE: A police officer informing you that you are being videotaped, and you ask them not to, but they still do. Only they dont ask.

[superbike81]

So how about when you are walking down a public street and there are video cameras? Wouldn't that be the same thing? Are you really arguing that video evidence of a crime is a bad thing? Or am I misunderstanding you? Because the fact that we have video evidence in crimes has been the reason that thousands of criminals have been caught.

[singlecamslam]

so if i happen to be recording something outside, and a cop rolls by punching people in the head, i go to prison? AWESOME. Wire taps are legal without peoples consent, but recording a cop bashing someone isnt? Its called evidence, if no one recorded cops, than they would feel even more above the law since no one is reporting their crimes.

[slowvia]

So how about when you are walking down a public street and there are video cameras? Wouldn't that be the same thing? Are you really arguing that video evidence of a crime is a bad thing? Or am I misunderstanding you? Because the fact that we have video evidence in crimes has been the reason that thousands of criminals have been caught.

I cant answer all of that, but Im sure Mr. Cochran could get you off on it.
But what I can say is that the cops obviously think video taping crimes is wrong, because they wont let YOU do it.

[murda-c]

I don't understand this. Other than possibly interfering with an undercover investigation? Maybe to reduce backlash?(though the easiest way to stop that from happening is for cops to not do stupid shit)

Maybe they just want to see what they can get away with?

I know there was a similar case last year here in MD with a guy on a bike recording a traffic stop, and the judge dismissed that. They really need to update those laws.

[bkt808]

this happened locally in maui also here is a vid I challenge Dog The Bounty Hunter and his crew to their video footage of the events. - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBcO2CXldyA) the officer was put on administrative leave for striking the camera man

[Otto347]

america.......fuck......no. Things are just getting out of hand.

[kimchi29]

wasnt there a initiative passed recently that said it was legal to record cops?


*EDIT

http://keepittrill.com/online/2011/08/federal-court-legal-film-police-video/

seems like its a district ruling

[slowvia]

america.......fuck......no. Things are just getting out of hand.

QFT
mssgelngth

[BustedS13]

The police record every single traffic stop they have.

no they don't. not in my state anyway. the cameras don't record, they are only used to trip the signals.

I'm for a cop punching someone in the face for saying that.

Police save lives and catch criminals, but firemen only save lives...yet they are hero's. Maybe if many of you didn't get speeding tickers or told to turn down your music at a party you would have a different opinion of the Police.

yeah, fuck firemen. what a bunch of pussies. you know what i really hate, are all those firemen on powertrips, abusing their fireman powers, running amok on society.

[slowvia]

no they don't. not in my state anyway. the cameras don't record, they are only used to trip the signals.



yeah, fuck firemen. what a bunch of pussies. you know what i really hate, are all those firemen on powertrips, abusing their fireman powers, running amok on society.

I know a few officers here in Oregon, so I know without a doubt (at least here in Lane county) they record them all.

And yeah man, whats up with all those dick ass firemen!? jk/lol

[BustedS13]

I know a few officers here in Oregon, so I know without a doubt (at least here in Lane county) they record them all.

And yeah man, whats up with all those dick ass firemen!? jk/lol

i just realized you were talking about the cameras in cop cars. for some reason i thought you were saying the traffic signal cameras were recording everything, which is a coworker's conspiracy theory.

but seriously, i read this thing where these firemen kicked down the door to the wrong house and they were running around with their axes out and then they shot the family dog. house wasn't even on fire.

[slowvia]

^^^ Yup, cameras in cars.
I read about some firemen last summer who wouldnt put out a fire in one mans home because he hadnt paid the $45 annual fee. He lost his cat and two dogs. I understand not giving out free services, but I think putting out a fire in someones home should be a no-brainer, regardless of whether or not they paid a fee.
Sorry, were really off topic now, lol.

[BustedS13]

^^^ Yup, cameras in cars.
I read about some firemen last summer who wouldnt put out a fire in one mans home because he hadnt paid the $45 annual fee. He lost his cat and two dogs. I understand not giving out free services, but I think putting out a fire in someones home should be a no-brainer, regardless of whether or not they paid a fee.
Sorry, were really off topic now, lol.

i read that, and i mean, it's not like he just forgot to pay. without doing any checking whatsoever, i seem to recall he refused to pay the fee. i'm not saying watching his home burn was a good call, but he made his own bed etc

[word sux]

recording someones private life and recording a public official on the clock is very different


I want to know were my tax dollars are going and that cops are not abusing the power they have. Its awsome how the local government will fight so hard to protect crooked cops yet won't lift a finger to help the people, its pathetic...

[Nidd]

wasnt there a initiative passed recently that said it was legal to record cops?


*EDIT

Federal Court Says You Can Video Record Police (http://keepittrill.com/online/2011/08/federal-court-legal-film-police-video/)

seems like its a district ruling

so wait. if it was ruled by fed law to be legal why is this guy even having to deal with court? not trying to be a smart ass, really don't get it lol.

[slowvia]

i read that, and i mean, it's not like he just forgot to pay. without doing any checking whatsoever, i seem to recall he refused to pay the fee. i'm not saying watching his home burn was a good call, but he made his own bed etc

Then send him a bill, take him to collections, but save the guys house! Its about right and wrong, you take an oath to protect the general public. In my opinion that means regardless of if they pay you up front or not.

And word sucks, I totally agree with you. I wouldnt mind if someone recorded me while I was at work, I mean, its not like Im breaking laws at work or anything.