5.0 swap into s13

[scranton951]

Hey Zilvia ppls, I'm getting ready to start the install of the 5.0 into my 89 s13 coupe, and was wondering if anyone out there has done one of these yet. Looking for any little tips, secrets, ideas that anyone has. Also pics would be great. Got the car, got the engine, time to make it happen!

Thanks guys

[Walperstyle]

Please be the first to do this, and video tape and document it well... my wife wrote off my 93 ford f250, and I have a spare 5.0 I'd like to swap in.


EDIT: FOUND ONE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mqbNffyIpbE&feature=related

Things to keep in mind
-transmission choice/adaptation to fit the interior in the right spot so the shifter sits where you want it, as well as an adapter plate
-hood fitment
-width of engine against the struts and BMC
-exhaust placement
-engine management + fuel delivery (motec/vipec/haltec with 300lph+ pump)
-engine mounts need to be custom
-Oil pan clearence to your front subframe+swaybar/lower suspension arms

Expect to spend about $3000 on custom fabrication to get this to fit right if you don't have the skills to do it yourself.

Cheers!

[xoxide]

In before close!
AutoRnD's S13 5.0 Swap - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCKAi0PviM4)

[Walperstyle]

^Thanks for that video too.

Do EFI, not Carb if you can. And make sure to spend the money on engine management to get the most out of it. Personally, this thread has me wanting to do a supercharged-efi-motec engine build with low comp pistons right now... hate you guys, I'm already $5000+ into my KA24DET engine and still dont' have turbo, computer, or fuel done yet. lol

[STL240SXDRIFT]

Hey Zilvia ppls, I'm getting ready to start the install of the 5.0 into my 89 s13 coupe, and was wondering if anyone out there has done one of these yet. Looking for any little tips, secrets, ideas that anyone has. Also pics would be great. Got the car, got the engine, time to make it happen!

Thanks guys

Lots of fab work ahead of you...it would be easier to just swap the front end off a Mustang and weld it to your coupe...Mustforty SX:hahano:

[ej1bullet]

easy swap the harness is not hard to do i did a 5.0 swap on my 4 runner

[Tomkun-s13]

Its not that hard to do the swap just like anything else it take's time.

Use the engine mounts off a ford explorer 1998 model year, and the like. You'll just have to drill out the motor mount holes alittle on the nissan cross member , then use a front sump oil pan from ford with the front sump oil pick up. You'll have to mod the oil pan a little but not much, or just notch out the cross member and re-box it in.

T-5 tranny if you want 5-speed you can use the stock nissan trans mount cross member just drill extra hole for the tranny then hard mount it with out rubber mount. The shifter will sit a bit forward but not to bad just a little cut here and there on the shifter hole area. Then use a shifter handle with a set back like an old school pistol grip shifter. Now use the ford harness and splice to fit with interior harness and other wires need to run. Not to hard, again just takes some time to get it right the first time. You'll also have to mod the steering shaft with an extra U-Joint and a shaft, if you want to use all the ford headers with out modifying them. Oh yea, you'll have to bang the firewall to get the trans bell housing to fit as well.

Now, I'm going to try and use my existing clutch slave and re-run it to the left side of the trans and fab a mount to mount it where I need it and see how it works out. Others are going with the Ram Clutches hydro throw out, with a willwood M/C.

And last for me is using my P/S pump and fabing a bracket for it then just making it work with the 5.0 belt system and using the 5.0 P/S pulley. But again others Use the Ford Explorer Pump and HP line, flared both side of the Lines from steering rack to the P/S line and the the Nissan Res, and it's done.

Hope some of this helps you and others out. If you want all the goods and guys doing the 5.0 and there swaps check out silviav8.com and go to build treads. look for ( Nissan tuff with ford stuff) in the title and that's guy I'm getting my info from, and others like him. Okay guys I'm out time for bed. Take care later dudes...

[scranton951]

Got alot of good info here guys thanks. Anything else you can think of, let me know.

[HAWAII]

bump for you homie. get this thing done. I always wanted to do a 5.0 on the S13.

[junn]

Didn't 9k racing have one of these

[ej1bullet]

yha do it man hit me up if you need the wire diagram !!! man if you stroke the 5.0 to a 347 you will be killing ls2 ive dun it to my 5.0 and i was taking gto zo6 and ss all day left and right !! also after market parts are dirt cheep

[D.Adams]

Same swap I have planned .. I have a spare 5.0 and t-5 .. want to go aluminum head and efi ... But all in due time .. good luck man ..

[spectra]

very, very interested.

[Radkins]

Please don't

[eklipse38]

Do it do it.......i dare you! LOL Seriously nothing sounds better than a 5.0 on full song.

[SRTFerg]

Don't do this please. A guy that lives in my area put a 5.0 in his s13 hatch and boy was he upset. Theres a reason not many people do this swap.

[Mishkin_707]

Don't do this please. A guy that lives in my area put a 5.0 in his s13 hatch and boy was he upset. Theres a reason not many people do this swap.

Oh yeah, give me one good legitimate reason, from personal experience, now hearsay.

[gtrmonkey]

REDNECK!!! WOHOOOOOO! For real this swap is going to ba alof of fun when you are done. Don't listen to all the purist fanboys. swap her in and burn some tires! and get a mullet wig

[kosmo91se]

idk if I want to boost the ka or buy a 5.0... this is another level. kudos to you sir!

Plus Lavender Frost?? Mmmmmmm.

[DEMo]

Oil pan is a 65-66 mustang modded to clear OE X-member & R&P

98 FORD Explorer Mounts & Motor brackets. (fits OE S13 X-member no mods)

S13 trans support- (drill extra hole and DONE! )

1 piece Drive shaft-

5.0 FOXBODY headers.

Flaming river Steering rag joint and Shaft

FORD FOXBODY inner shift boot

S13 Radiator

Spectra Lower RAD hose

1987-1993 5.0 Mustang upper RAD hose


No Xmember mods
No Fancy expensive swap headers.
No custom Radiator
No fancy motor mounts
O.E trans mounts works with drilling 1 extra hole
Stock D/S will work but 1 piece is recommended ($250)
Shifter is located forward in stock location in trans tunnel

Some info I saved a while back...

[ej1bullet]

Do it do it.......i dare you! LOL Seriously nothing sounds better than a 5.0 on full song.

Hella true ..... With a e303 cam mmmmmmmmmmm nice

[Hashiriya415]

Why fuel injected, you'r not worried about emission. Carb gets same power as efi, just a little more pollution and waste a little more gas while idling.

[shinobis13hb]

EFI has more potiential, the way i see it is pro and con vs them both.. but efi you can fine tune more correct?

[GA378]

Any updates? Can't wait to see the finish results

[scrantonz33]

we are getting the engine this weekend should be test fitting the motor mounts and oil pan. pics will follow. bare with us this will take some time.

[Walperstyle]

EFI has more potiential, the way i see it is pro and con vs them both.. but efi you can fine tune more correct?

correct. A good computer like Motec or Vipec with ability to read O2 would really make a 5.0 shine. Or LS series for that matter. It also allows you to throw on a supercharger and get the most out of it, not to mention control what your injectors are doing, and when they are doing it.

With a carb, you can find a sweet spot, but its a smaller sweet spot pending on your fuel type, and setup.

[simmode1]

Now if this were a 2011 5.0 motor, I'd be excited. The LS1 is this thing's bitch.
http://www.latemodelrestoration.com/item/M6007M50/2011-Mustang-Ford-Racing-50L-Crate-Engine

Almost makes me wanna buy a '99 V6 Stang and swap this in...

[Angronrb25]

You put that motor in a 240 and you will kill everything! I have read that the Coyote with a manual tranny and a Hellion Turbo Kit made over 600 to the wheels completely stock just turbo kit and if I remember correctly like 700ft lbs!

[TheRealSy90]

I'm just waiting for the day when someone puts a Coyote in an S chassis. I hope I don't have to wait too long...

I noticed some talk of it on silviav8.

[tehkmob]

Humm.. very interesting premise... But I thinka ll around a LS1 would be better but if you have to motor just laying around DO THAT SHIT... Besides 302's sound fucking lasts with a nice exhaust. I know the run real nice 1/4 et's with sticky tires and mild cam. not sure how they'd deal with drift abuse, but still cool none the less.

[simmode1]

Humm.. very interesting premise... But I thinka ll round a LS1 would be better
Better than the old 5.0 motor? Sure, by alot. Better than the new 5.0 motor? Hell no.

Edit: I take that back. Apparently, the Coyote as they call it has weak internal and would be bad for boosting. But N/A, its pretty solid.

[DoobieS13]

so I'm guessing that a 351 will work too right?

[soreballz]

^Yes, as will every other member of the Windsor family of small block Ford engines.

[Angronrb25]

Weak internals?! Are you kidding! I have seen with my own eyes at Fastlane here in Texas a 2011 Mustang Stock Heads/Cams/Block/Tranny make 700whp but they de-tuned it to 650whp just to be on the safe side! Ford even said they built this motor for boost!

[simmode1]

I was browsing some Mustang fourms on the topic and the general consensus was that that the block was strong but the rods weren't and the compression ratio was really high. But I guess it's possible that they don't know what the hell they're talking about.

I'm not likely to ever touch that motor, so... meh.

[Angronrb25]

Oohh lol Fastlane makes some amazingly high hp street cars and they sai they had no problem taking it out to almost 800hp with stock internals! The factory compression ratio is 11.0:1 if I remember correctly so yeah it is incredibly high butfrom my expirence in the old 302's that it is common to run 10.0:1 or higher in V8's even with boost because then you just run less boost to still get the high numbers! The Mustang I read was a 2011 with the 6spd at only 6psi made 640rwhp and 748ft lbs. with a turbonetics HP64 turbo!

[scrantonz33]

Sorry its taking so long for updates, im in the army and theyve been suckin up all my time. ill be at my bros house most of this week so hopefully we can start test fitting the engine.

So far we have completley stripped the interior and engine bay of all wiring (everything will be re-wired by my brother who started this thread) and unnecessary heating and cooling components, sound deadning etc.

Project for this week-
Test fit engine and tranny
cut inner door panels out( getting ready for cage)
stitch weld the engine bay/ interior
prep engine bay and cockpit for paint

Pics are coming so bear with us.

[DEMo]

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[broke 20]

How are you doing the wiring for the efi? I am currently doing the same swap but went to carb to make it easier to get it running, but kept all my efi stuff for later on, just curious how to swap it over

[F20cS13]

Yesssss.
My best memories of this motor were back home in the foxbodies. I can't even imagine this motor in an even lighter chasis. I know simple cam work and new intake manifold can push that motor. Good luck

[kaking]

Check out the build threads on silviav8forums.com There's a million LS1s but there are a couple 5.0 and other small block swaps. Guess most people use the motor mounts from Explorers. Plan on swapping a 5.0 when i get bored with the SR

[Walperstyle]

I was browsing some Mustang fourms on the topic and the general consensus was that that the block was strong but the rods weren't and the compression ratio was really high. But I guess it's possible that they don't know what the hell they're talking about.
I'm not likely to ever touch that motor, so... meh.

If it was a bad engine, they would have stopped production. Much like any high horsepower car, its always recommended to lower the compression if you wish to supercharge/turbo as well as rebuild with better rods. Has nothing to do with ford engines, its EVERY engine.

If I were a moderator, i'd merge the 5.0 Threads. hint hint

[F20cS13]

If it was a bad engine, they would have stopped production. Much like any high horsepower car, its always recommended to lower the compression if you wish to supercharge/turbo as well as rebuild with better rods. H..as nothing to do with ford engines, its EVERY engine.

If I were a moderator, i'd merge the 5.0 Threads. hint hint
X2........the 5.0 HO motors are practically bulletproof. ..........
And people though a f20 couldn't take 700hp+ on a completly stock motor.hmmm.11:1 compression.....

[240sx drift]

Same here planin on doing a 5.0 swap on my s14.
What oil pan did u use and waht did u do about the slave cylinder for the cluth.
Thanx in advance.

[vas570sx]

Im workin on putting this in my car in january. Should be real fun.

http://i1121.photobucket.com/albums/l502/vas1231/254475_2017712691815_1513817528_32239908_4967939_n .jpg

[cp13]

How was the wiring? Into an s13.. did u use the t5 trans?

[traviss14]

I know this is a old post but
I'll just leave this here
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb160/travisdx/31BF750F-7F80-4334-8AF1-FF534A1A667B-1746-000000BA3C16F770.jpg
If you have any ?s feel free to send me a pm

[clutchkickz]

says stock drive shaft will work but recommends one piece drive shaft the stock 5.0 t5 drive shaft?

[drewr4411]

Bringing this thread back with a new question.

Does anyone have any info on the newer 5.0 Coyote Motor? This is a very potent motor from ford that was designed to battle the LS3 and Hemi motors

I think this could be a great swap. I am just not seeing much info regarding it. Also they seem to be holding at the same price tag as LS motors.

[OBEEWON]

Try here.

http://annakie.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10002/Computer-trash.gif

[Corbic]

Bringing this thread back with a new question.

Does anyone have any info on the newer 5.0 Coyote Motor? This is a very potent motor from ford that was designed to battle the LS3 and Hemi motors

I think this could be a great swap. I am just not seeing much info regarding it. Also they seem to be holding at the same price tag as LS motors.


You can get a F150 Coyote for $2,500.

It's the same engine with a different intake manifold and exhaust cam.

The biggest issue with the engine is the lack of power steering. Retrofit kits exist but they are ~$1,200 and suck donkey balls.

A better option is to convert to EPAS. I'm currently working on a kit... but it would also be ~$7-800 sell price.

The awesome thing about EPAS is you gain 15hp, drop weight, have a cleaner engine bay, fully adjustable steering resistance and will never have to worry about power steering fluid boiling over.

Downside is you'll loose a bit of road-feel, but with big wheels and camber, you never felt it in the first place.

I've seen F150 engine swaps making 380-430 at the wheels with bolt one and tunes.

F1pHYH_B38U

My issue with the Coyote is it does not sound as awesome as a 2V.

I can still build a Teksid 2V for $2,500 and be lighter and stronger than a Coyote. With FI, short-block strength is more important then head-flow.

Coyote is a drop in affair for a 4.6 car.

[drewr4411]

Try here.

http://annakie.com/cpg/albums/userpics/10002/Computer-trash.gif

Wasn't expecting that. Guess you had a bad experience with one?

[driftsucky]

I'm pretty sure it was more humor related than personal experience.

[cbeuglas]

No idea coyote motor is very large on the heads. I am not sure of it will clear the front strut mounts.

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[Corbic]

No idea coyote motor is very large on the heads. I am not sure of it will clear the front strut mounts.

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Fits in a FRS.

http://www.engineswapdepot.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/Scion-FRS-with-Ford-Coyote-Boss-302-V8-01.jpg

Here is a 4.6 DOHC in a 240sx. 4.6 4v has larger heads then the Coyote.

http://reinigrauer.googlepages.com/PIC-0073DesktopResolution.jpg

[Corbic]

Better than the old 5.0 motor? Sure, by alot. Better than the new 5.0 motor? Hell no.

Edit: I take that back. Apparently, the Coyote as they call it has weak internal and would be bad for boosting. But N/A, its pretty solid.

Bwa ha ha ha ha....

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[5.0TURBOS13]

Any more news on this swap? currently trying to swap a 5.0 into my s13.

[jumpman2334]

holy hell, I have never seen someone utilize tie downs like that to move a powerplant. im impressed.


are most ratcheting tie downs rated for weight like that?

[808drft]

Any more news on this swap? currently trying to swap a 5.0 into my s13.

I've done it. Super easy. What do you need help with?

[808drft]

Here's both swaps the 4v is current. 5.0 is old

http://imageshack.com/a/img924/6237/7E5I82.jpg

http://imageshack.com/a/img923/1825/DoVrRI.jpg

[derass]

Pic was too big

https://i.imgur.com/azXo2nz.jpg?1