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One_love_silvia
08-08-2011, 04:34 AM
so ive been thinking about it, and i was wondering if other people felt the same way as i do.

what i want to know is:
if there was a burglar inside your house, would u kill them? or would you hesitate? or would you just force them out of your house?

and question 2 (i guess? lol) :
if you would kill them, do u think you would feel remorseful?

interested on how people feel about this subject.

DrtyRat
08-08-2011, 04:43 AM
Shoot em' dead. Any remorse I might have would go right out the window when I looked at my wife, 12yr old son and 10mo old daughter. Florida's castle doctrine law makes this scenario a no-braineR

heychris
08-08-2011, 04:46 AM
What dirty rat said!
Fortunately I live in rural CA and my neighbors would help bury the bodies.

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Jaescrub
08-08-2011, 05:09 AM
We have make my day laws in Oklahoma no need to hide body's. The fam across the street from me had there front Door kicked it when they where gone. I keep my .45 with in arms reach I would drop some one fast. if they got the balls to kick a front door in then they would have no prob rapping and killing there victims and ill be damned if i let that hap to my fam.

bb4_96
08-08-2011, 05:27 AM
haha, It isn't even a question. Anybody who could inflict an incident of that persuasion on anyone isn't even a human being imo. More like an intrusive rodent.

One_love_silvia
08-08-2011, 10:39 AM
i like u guys. come be my neighbors haha. im glad to see other people feel the same way i do. i wasnt sure if it was normal to feel that way (the no remorse part) or if i was just crazy or somethin lol

usdm180sx
08-08-2011, 11:21 AM
Shoot em dead. The law says you can use deadly force for intruders in your home

BOROSUN
08-08-2011, 12:28 PM
beat their brains like a zombie that has come to eat you.

http://www.andyerickson.net/images/art/day33.jpg

Gnnr
08-08-2011, 03:12 PM
If you're in Cali, lol

Here in FL you can shoot them.

I would not kill them unless they where armed with a gun themselves.

I would shoot at legs to disable them so they can be taken into custody and off the streets.

S13Boosts
08-08-2011, 03:23 PM
kill em let em die! fuck it!~

soreballz
08-08-2011, 07:03 PM
I would not kill them unless they where armed with a gun themselves.

I would shoot at legs to disable them so they can be taken into custody and off the streets.
"Never aim to maim." From both a legal and personal safety standpoint, you're better off killing the intruder.

My roommate keeps a 9mm with hollow points under her bed. I keep a bat next to my door, being that I'm a fair bit more sadistic than she is. If somebody enters my house uninvited in the middle of the night, they'd better kill me or hope I don't wake up, otherwise, their chances of leaving alive are pretty low. And being that I live in Texas, the law would be on my side.

Remorse? Perhaps, but unlikely. If I killed somebody on accident, sure, I'd be pretty torn up about it. But if somebody does something that pushes me so far into rage mode that I could kill? I dunno. I figure I'd probably feel kinda lousy that I was pushed that far, but i doubt I'd feel for that individual. I think any remorse I'd feel would be for the family of the intruder. Feel okay about taking a life can't be easy, regardless of the situation.

h2v7
08-08-2011, 08:23 PM
in most states you still arnt allowed to just fucking kill people in your house....

they have to pretty SERIOUSLY threaten your life first.

Edwin562
08-08-2011, 08:28 PM
if the intruder has the nerve to break into a home, they well deserve a good beatin ordie.....i got a 9mm within reach just in-case....

keistyle
08-08-2011, 08:32 PM
How would the cops really know what went down?

Sprinkle some crack on a home boy, plant a knife and boom.. reason to kill.

I would break old shit i don't need, then sue him for it. (tv, ps2, old laptop.)
Then go to his place (getting the address on id.) and take all of his cool things from him. Then probably call their parents, and drink milk after.
in most states you still arnt allowed to just fucking kill people in your house....

they have to pretty SERIOUSLY threaten your life first.

VROOOM
08-08-2011, 08:40 PM
i have a shotgun under my bed in case something bad happens. i really wouldnt want to use it, but if i had to, im sure i could.

soreballz
08-08-2011, 08:50 PM
in most states you still arnt allowed to just fucking kill people in your house....

they have to pretty SERIOUSLY threaten your life first.
If you awake to find an intruder in your home in the middle of the night, would you sit there and think, "gee whiz, is my life in danger? I guess I should ask this person to leave."

You're more likely to get in trouble for hurting a burglar than you are for killing a burglar. This applies to most states. Except Cali. In Cali, if a burglar cuts his hand on a knife in your kitchen, you'll probably face a lawsuit... And lose. lol

midnightouge
08-08-2011, 08:50 PM
Aslong as they are inside your house and you feel threatened you can shoot them.
I had a LEO tell me that if you shoot them and they land outside your door, then you better drag them inside quick.

theicecreamdan
08-08-2011, 09:08 PM
I would kill them.

I would probably hesitate.

I sure as hell wouldn't feel good about it.

no piece of property is worth anybody dying for, but I have zero confidence that a person who breaks into my home will share that same sentiment towards my life, my fiance's life, or my animals lives for my things.

I live in California.

BarrigaS14
08-08-2011, 09:15 PM
in most states you still arnt allowed to just fucking kill people in your house....

they have to pretty SERIOUSLY threaten your life first.

Not true. By law, Az that is, you have to feel in fear for your life in order to kill another that has broken into your house.

So you are awaken by a sound in your house, you go to investigate it and there is a dude with something in his hands. You shoot and kill the guy. You are in the right. It's YOUR house, you have every right to protect your life.

It is A.R.S. 13-418, revised in 2006 by SB 1145.

Main point:

A person (homeowner) is justified in threatening to use or using physical force or deadly physical force against another person if the person (homeowner) reasonably believes himself or another person to be in imminent peril of death or serious physical injury and the person (intruder) against whom the physical force or deadly physical force is threatened or used was in the process of unlawfully or forcefully entering, or had unlawfully or forcefully entered a residential structure or occupied vehicle or had removed or was attempting to remove another person against the other person's will from the residential structure or occupied vehicle.

h2v7
08-08-2011, 09:16 PM
How would the cops really know what went down?

Sprinkle some crack on a home boy, plant a knife and boom.. reason to kill.

I would break old shit i don't need, then sue him for it. (tv, ps2, old laptop.)
Then go to his place (getting the address on id.) and take all of his cool things from him. Then probably call their parents, and drink milk after.





burglar breaks into house, falls on meat cleaver, sues homeowner, wins.

bb4_96
08-09-2011, 08:47 AM
Something to watch out for that's getting big around here. Sketchy door to door salespersons. They ring the bell and if you come to the door they give some stupid half assed sales line. If you don't answer they break in, park in the garage, shut the door, load your goods, open garage door, leave like it never happened. Couple of fat chicks selling avon or marie kay got busted. They got caught when they left one person's stuff in another person's house. I guess the next house had more cool shit so they unloaded some of the less cool shit and left prints.

Breaking into a person's house is fucking low. To violate someone's home, their place of sanctuary. I might call it self defence but it would be execution by my hand, if not in defence of myself then in prevention of perpetuation. I'd rather be judged by twelve than let them be.

VNG704
08-09-2011, 09:12 AM
All this "okay to kill if they're in your house"... know your local laws. It's not all the same everywhere. "Zilvia told me it's okay" isn't gonna work in court.

LimeLite Racing
08-09-2011, 09:19 AM
I'd blast em'! And then sing a song of celebration.

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bb4_96
08-09-2011, 09:33 AM
^ haha! was waiting for that.

jdm240sx122
08-09-2011, 11:59 AM
I'd do the same as limelight ,but mabe without the singing part...Lol

I mean think about it even if your states law dosent permit such a thing just tell the cops he tried attacking you.... It's your word VS. A dead guys word.. I mean shit hes in your house for shit sake.

FRpilot
08-09-2011, 12:08 PM
You're more likely to get in trouble for hurting a burglar than you are for killing a burglar. This applies to most states. Except Cali. In Cali, if a burglar cuts his hand on a knife in your kitchen, you'll probably face a lawsuit... And lose. lol

sad and doesn't make senes, but true.

burglar breaks into house, falls on meat cleaver, sues homeowner, wins.

which leads me to wonder... with the economy the way it is, why aren't more "burglars" breaking into mansions, doing just that, and suing for a payday?

ZenkiKid
08-09-2011, 12:10 PM
Shoot em dead. The law says you can use deadly force for intruders in your home


Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

I failed my first California Law class midterm with the same mindset.

Believe it or not there has to be certain circumstances that have to come into play to have justifiable cause to kill. Everything has to be within REASON, not irrationality. You cant just simply blast the stranger into an oblivion.(Ill edit this post once I get home and dig up my old class notes regarding this, we did a whole class lecture covering this).

The law is alot looser though on the other hand for things such as restraining.

EDIT:

Heres the CA law on it:

- Caljic 5.42 or also known as People V. Pimentel.
o A person who may defend his home or dwelling against anyone who manifestly intends or endeavors in a violent or riotous manner, to enter that home or dwelling and who appears to intend violence to any person in that home or dwelling. The amount of force which the person may use in resisting the trespass is limited by what would appear to a reasonable person, in the same or similar circumstances, necessary to restist the violent or unlawful entry. He is not bound to retreat even through a retreat might safely be made. He may resist force with force, increasing it in proportion to the intruders persistence and violence if the circumstances which are apparent to the homeowner or lawful occupant of the property are such as would excite similar fears and a similar belief in a reasonable person.

chuki.s13.coupe.
08-10-2011, 01:54 AM
Well this may be off topic but what would you do if someone held you at gun point and asks your for money but you don't have any(cause I never carry cash) and he makes you take him to the bank? Happened to me last week.

One_love_silvia
08-10-2011, 02:22 AM
take the gun from them and cap his ass.

theres always a point where someone isnt paying attention. just have to catch them off guard.

i dont "negotiate with turrists". thats terrorists for those who dont speak george bush.

chuki.s13.coupe.
08-10-2011, 02:53 AM
Lol dude I thought of doing that but I did not want to risk it. Too scurry.

HyperTek
08-10-2011, 03:19 AM
I went to a technical school with a dumbfuck who did time on home burglaries and another dude who used to steal hondas.. and those guys have kids/wives.. The guy who stole cars cleaned up and was cool, but the guy who did home burglaries, was still a lowlife piece of shit. Dude told me how he stole a ps3 /just yanked it out of the entertainment center and it came crashing down, woman comes out screaming and he booked it. He already did time for that shit but man i wish I could do something when I hear these type of stories..


I don't think the law is hard enough.. just a slap on the hand for some little time doesn't seem like much. Fuckers don't change/learn, they need to catch a hot one to the face.

Id go for a bat or knife if someone broke into my home. I wouldnt bust out like "Hey you!"... it try to sneak around and be quit and catch them off guard.

ronmcdon
08-10-2011, 04:10 AM
^^
you're flattering yourself.
I wouldn't lose to much sleep over the chance of getting burglarized if I were you.

kingkilburn
08-10-2011, 12:42 PM
Have you guys heard the story here in CA where a burglar broke in a home and was damn near killed by the owner's dog?

No jail time.
Dog put down.
Home owner sued and LOST.





I thank god I study aikido. I can subdue the guy while causing a shit ton of pain without leaving any permanent injury. Or I can break his fucking arms. lol

kingkilburn
08-10-2011, 12:56 PM
Wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong.

I failed my first California Law class midterm with the same mindset.

Believe it or not there has to be certain circumstances that have to come into play to have justifiable cause to kill. Everything has to be within REASON, not irrationality. You cant just simply blast the stranger into an oblivion.(Ill edit this post once I get home and dig up my old class notes regarding this, we did a whole class lecture covering this).

The law is alot looser though on the other hand for things such as restraining.

EDIT:

Heres the CA law on it:

- Caljic 5.42 or also known as People V. Pimentel.
o A person who may defend his home or dwelling against anyone who manifestly intends or endeavors in a violent or riotous manner, to enter that home or dwelling and who appears to intend violence to any person in that home or dwelling. The amount of force which the person may use in resisting the trespass is limited by what would appear to a reasonable person, in the same or similar circumstances, necessary to restist the violent or unlawful entry. He is not bound to retreat even through a retreat might safely be made. He may resist force with force, increasing it in proportion to the intruders persistence and violence if the circumstances which are apparent to the homeowner or lawful occupant of the property are such as would excite similar fears and a similar belief in a reasonable person.


The problem here is that I consider ANY theft and property damage violent intent. This person wishes to rape me for my belongings. What I consider reasonable might be to far for some or not far enough by others.



I went to a technical school with a dumbfuck who did time on home burglaries and another dude who used to steal hondas.. and those guys have kids/wives.. The guy who stole cars cleaned up and was cool, but the guy who did home burglaries, was still a lowlife piece of shit. Dude told me how he stole a ps3 /just yanked it out of the entertainment center and it came crashing down, woman comes out screaming and he booked it. He already did time for that shit but man i wish I could do something when I hear these type of stories..


I don't think the law is hard enough.. just a slap on the hand for some little time doesn't seem like much. Fuckers don't change/learn, they need to catch a hot one to the face.

Id go for a bat or knife if someone broke into my home. I wouldnt bust out like "Hey you!"... it try to sneak around and be quit and catch them off guard.

If home owners are going to be penalized for defending themselves burglars should be getting FAR worse sentences than some dumbass that got caught with some weed. Who is really a bigger threat to society?


I probably would have demolished that guys nose. There is near victimless theft like stealing from a department store. It's wrong but whatever, I hope you get caught. Then there is life ruining home invasion type shit. No remorse.

sky53line
08-10-2011, 01:07 PM
Shoot them no questions asked. Floridas Castle Doctrine is awesome and im even more happy they extended it to your vehicle. Rather upset that OC didnt pass.

ch1873857
08-10-2011, 01:37 PM
my neighborhood got hit hard last year. i was leaving for afghanistan and my brother left for quatar leaving my wife, my sister in law and the two kids home alone. i took all the weapons out of the house so the kids wouldnt get into em. i took 2 big pelican cases full of ar15s, saiga 12 guages, and my pistols. plus my 338 which didnt fit in a case. also grabbed 14 cans of ammo and loaded it all into my wifes jeep to take off site. my neighbors had the biggest WTF face ive ever seen. needless to say, no one has messed with them yet :)

when im home i keep a loaded ar15 short barrel (10.5) with a strobing flash light, laser, and CCO (close combat optic) for you newbs. i use 556 frangibles to cut down the collateral damage. right beside my bed. dont worry gotta high speed chamber lock for the kiddies who dont even know it exists ;)

mkezzo16
08-10-2011, 01:55 PM
Depends..some kids broke into our house a few years back and stole my little brothers guitar..if i saw some kids just being stupid. im not gonna shoot them, especially if they are just tryna get away n not harm me. If someone breaks in at night , gotta protect my 4 month old son n gf..that person is getting the 12 guage

TheWolf
08-10-2011, 02:16 PM
I agree, florida's law is probably one of the most open that extends to the grounds of your home IF someone attempts to enter your house forcibly. It also extends to motor vehicles, tents, lawn sheds, temporary or permanently attached structures, as well as Porches. It's about a broad as it gets.

My dogs are a critical part in my defense plan. My german shepard and my lab roam the house at night and sleep lightly. In my testing, I'll need about 10 seconds between a forcible entrance/ dead sleep and a ready defense position, round in the chamber and safety off. Unless they know the floor plan of your house, the dogs and closed doors should buy me that time. I keep my plate carrier under the bed along with my weapon of choice so i can toss it over and velcro it later. My plate carrier has extra magazines so I can go from dead sleep to armored with 100 rounds and a loaded weapon. Expect it to be a chaotic situation and stick to your practiced plan. Setup your house so you have control over shooting lanes with furniture. That way you won't worry about over penetration. Some people even go far enough to put plate in the walls and in furniture. Work your house clearing each room (you don't know where they are remember) in advance and work out how to handle tough areas. Stick to the walls. Practice Practice Practice. If you do a couple of practice runs, in an afternoon you'll be 2x as prepared as you were before.

My great grandfather had to shoot someone robbing his store, He was justified in every right but it still tore him up. Don't forget to seek out a psychologist if you ever undergo a situation like this. It is traumatic, it won't be like woah I shot a guy.. cool huh.

YoungGun
08-10-2011, 02:37 PM
Yeah I got the 12 gauge with 5 shells in the ammo holder ready to go if some piece of shit wants to break in.

midnightouge
08-11-2011, 02:51 AM
SD shooting - "If you in any way feel threatened"
Deputies: Homeowner's Son Kills Intruder in Salinas - Central Coast News KION/KCBA (http://www.kionrightnow.com/story/15245165/shooting-in-salinas)

WV_SR20
08-11-2011, 05:14 AM
I'd do it what I had to do to keep my wife safe, if that means having to shoot someone then so be it. Like a few other people said, its your word against a dead guys, you feared for your life, you thought he was gonna kill you and your family, thats all you say then lawyer up.

bb4_96
08-11-2011, 06:04 AM
Don't shoot him. Kill him. The trouble starts when the burglar lives and takes your ass to court. I've heard horror stories of burglars sueing homeowners but I've never heard of homeowners going to jail after they kill a burglar.

sky53line
08-11-2011, 09:23 AM
I agree, florida's law is probably one of the most open that extends to the grounds of your home IF someone attempts to enter your house forcibly. It also extends to motor vehicles, tents, lawn sheds, temporary or permanently attached structures, as well as Porches. It's about a broad as it gets.

My dogs are a critical part in my defense plan. My german shepard and my lab roam the house at night and sleep lightly. In my testing, I'll need about 10 seconds between a forcible entrance/ dead sleep and a ready defense position, round in the chamber and safety off. Unless they know the floor plan of your house, the dogs and closed doors should buy me that time. I keep my plate carrier under the bed along with my weapon of choice so i can toss it over and velcro it later. My plate carrier has extra magazines so I can go from dead sleep to armored with 100 rounds and a loaded weapon. Expect it to be a chaotic situation and stick to your practiced plan. Setup your house so you have control over shooting lanes with furniture. That way you won't worry about over penetration. Some people even go far enough to put plate in the walls and in furniture. Work your house clearing each room (you don't know where they are remember) in advance and work out how to handle tough areas. Stick to the walls. Practice Practice Practice. If you do a couple of practice runs, in an afternoon you'll be 2x as prepared as you were before.

My great grandfather had to shoot someone robbing his store, He was justified in every right but it still tore him up. Don't forget to seek out a psychologist if you ever undergo a situation like this. It is traumatic, it won't be like woah I shot a guy.. cool huh.


This. Practice practice practice. Just got back from a 2 week long weapons training and tactics course here in South Carolina with Threat Management Group. Great training. I know not everyone has the opprotunity or money to do it but if you do... get it!

http://a5.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/284521_10150243429931519_584436518_7496158_7263482 _n.jpg

http://a8.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/252063_10150244235281519_584436518_7503955_3185776 _n.jpg

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bb4_96
08-11-2011, 09:27 AM
^ you a cop?

ch1873857
08-11-2011, 09:30 AM
hes wearing ABUs NICE!!! and no one wears those things unless they have too. that means Air Force right? unless your AF SF? either way thats good shit man. id love to get into that class, been looking at it forever although i did a lot of what you posted with the army in ft polk. i love that shit

the a3k
08-11-2011, 10:03 AM
most people havent been in this situation so its hard to tell what you would do. if i woke up to some guy trashing my place and breaking in to each room, i would drop his ass instantly. unless he's a supercriminal wearing armor, hes not getting up from the .45

im actually going to the gun range tomorrow with the gf so she can learn to shoot some guns. if some guy breaks in and shes alone, she has to defend herself.

bb4_96
08-11-2011, 10:07 AM
yeah he's a cop, or a tac-p.

bradyd15
08-11-2011, 10:25 AM
If someone broke into my house i would...

1.Restrain him
2.Take him out to my car
3.Drive to a open parking lot,{with my wife holding him at gunpoint while i drive}
4.Tie him to a light post
5.Drift into his ass at high boost
6.Piss on the remains
7.Buy a new 240

sky53line
08-11-2011, 10:47 AM
USAF Combat Camera, Stationed in Charleston at the 1st

zylvia213
08-11-2011, 11:07 AM
Ill go Antoine Dodson on that bitch.

bb4_96
08-11-2011, 11:15 AM
USAF Combat Camera, Stationed in Charleston at the 1st

atta boy. I'll be in Charleston friday night.

sky53line
08-11-2011, 11:25 AM
atta boy. I'll be in Charleston friday night.

Air Force?

bb4_96
08-11-2011, 11:37 AM
I am. but that's not why I'm passing through.

ch1873857
08-11-2011, 11:53 AM
USAF Combat Camera, Stationed in Charleston at the 1st

thats badass. i didnt event think that job still existed.

SochBAT
08-11-2011, 02:57 PM
http://cdn.buzznet.com/assets/users16/neonka/default/bang-bang-youre-dead--large-msg-119722047088.jpg

Texas laws tells me to pull the pile of meat back into my home before cops arrive. Cops side with the homeowners here.

axiomatik
08-12-2011, 11:52 AM
SD shooting - "If you in any way feel threatened"
Deputies: Homeowner's Son Kills Intruder in Salinas - Central Coast News KION/KCBA (http://www.kionrightnow.com/story/15245165/shooting-in-salinas)

A source close to the investigation told Central Coast News that the homeowners were growing marijuana in the house and the suspects may have been after the weed.

You are less likely to have people breaking and entering if you don't bait the criminals....

kingkilburn
08-12-2011, 12:13 PM
What's in your house is none of their business.


You shouldn't live your life based on the idea that some amoral ass hole is going to come ruin it.

axiomatik
08-12-2011, 12:23 PM
What's in your house is none of their business.

True....but running a growing operation in your house certainly makes your life a lot more risky.


You shouldn't live your life based on the idea that some amoral ass hole is going to come ruin it.

Most of the responses in this thread suggest that that is exactly how everyone is living their life.

kingkilburn
08-12-2011, 02:11 PM
I should have said you shouldn't, not, do things because some asshole could mess it up for you.

slowvia
08-12-2011, 08:09 PM
Meh, I wouldnt kill someone who broke into my house unless they were actively trying to harm my friends or family, or really anyone for that matter. Id probably try to intimidate them with my gun, but there is no way I would just burst in there flip on a light and start spraying bullets. For most (notice I said most) crooks thats enough persuasion to stop and pay the f*ck attention. Call 5-0 and the incident is over.
BUT, if I see them starting to point a firearm at myself or anyone else its game over for em. Id probably end up feeling like shit, and it may take a long time to get over. But the bottom line is that when your life is at stake, it's them or you.
I have a good family friend who's a cop in my home town and he killed a guy a few years ago. He chased some guy on a motorcycle until he dumped his bike, when my friend told (yelled) him to get his hand in the air the guy drew a pistol and my friend shot him dead. It sucks, hes a really great guy and one of the few police officers in our area that I feel is doing his job the way it should be done, and I know it wasnt easy on him or his family. The last thing I want to ever do is kill someone. But if put in the situation where it's necessary, I wouldnt hesitate.

DS562
08-12-2011, 09:03 PM
CA law is too circumstantial when it comes to this.

if an intruder is in your home and you come out of your room aiming a gun at him and he runs for the exit, you cant shoot him without doing jail time. if he was unarmed with 2 entry wounds in his back, you're fucked.

however, same scenario except he advances on you, you may kill.

you also may not kill over property damage/theft.

it all boils down to one question "did you genuinely fear for your life and the lives of your family?"

TL;DR
shoot him before he turns around to run.

kandyflip445
08-12-2011, 10:23 PM
I don't think I'm afraid of any law in using a gun to defend my home. I'm more afraid of where/who else I could possibly shoot in my home. I have my family here and not knowing where they are I don't think I could reasonably fire a weapon without knowing for sure I wouldn't hit one of them.

But if I lived alone it would be different.

ch1873857
08-13-2011, 09:26 AM
use frangible ammo. less collateral damage. you wont have to worry about shooting at someone and having rounds penetrating though 4 sheets of drywall into an innocent bystander aka your family.

TheWolf
08-13-2011, 09:59 AM
use frangible ammo. less collateral damage. you wont have to worry about shooting at someone and having rounds penetrating though 4 sheets of drywall into an innocent bystander aka your family.

The Box O' Truth - Ammo Penetration Testing (http://www.theboxotruth.com/)


practicing is better than relying on ammo. The situation can't be solved by purchasing something in the store but rather learning skills. The fighting shotgun is something that most people can learn and be effective with. I'd recommend anyone to get a $175 maverick 88 and spend $400 on a weekend of shoot and move drills, FTF/FTL drills and basic CQB. Than to buy a $600-750 .45 handgun put 50 rounds through it on a range and consider themselves ready.

BustedS13
08-13-2011, 11:01 AM
i have a pump shotgun. i like to think that if someone broke in, they'd run away when i cock it. i could shoot somebody if they came at me with something, but it's not something i ever hope or expect to do.

TheWolf
08-13-2011, 02:09 PM
no one has ever crapped their pants at the sound of a shot gun being cocked.. I would hope before you engaged the intruder you would have loaded a round.. a fail to feed would provide an opportunity for the intruder.

HyperTek
08-13-2011, 04:01 PM
CA law is too circumstantial when it comes to this.

if an intruder is in your home and you come out of your room aiming a gun at him and he runs for the exit, you cant shoot him without doing jail time. if he was unarmed with 2 entry wounds in his back, you're fucked.

however, same scenario except he advances on you, you may kill.

you also may not kill over property damage/theft.

it all boils down to one question "did you genuinely fear for your life and the lives of your family?"

TL;DR
shoot him before he turns around to run.

Put a knife in his dead hand.. but then forensics is going to investigate that shit and you will still get fucked in the end.. California favors the criminals... tho we get fucked for car mods =\

theicecreamdan
08-13-2011, 06:31 PM
California favors the criminals

I'm not sure I buy that.

rc1honda
08-13-2011, 06:32 PM
Kill them. No bullshit, no fuss no questions. The only time i would even hesitate is if it was very obvious it was a kid or teenager then the kid might get a pass.

If the person looks like a adult shoot until they are dead. Castle Law in Illinois states that under any circumstance threatening or not you can shoot a intruder.

Word to the wise if you ever have to kill someone. DO NOT look at the body afterwards. Wait outside for the cops and leave the body. You do not want to remember that intruder as a person. You only wanna think about it as a target as a neutralized threat. Disassociate that person with a human. They were a target, a threat not a person. Don't look at the body and empathize with the person you just killed.

One_love_silvia
08-13-2011, 06:49 PM
I went to a technical school with a dumbfuck who did time on home burglaries and another dude who used to steal hondas.. and those guys have kids/wives.. The guy who stole cars cleaned up and was cool, but the guy who did home burglaries, was still a lowlife piece of shit. Dude told me how he stole a ps3 /just yanked it out of the entertainment center and it came crashing down, woman comes out screaming and he booked it. He already did time for that shit but man i wish I could do something when I hear these type of stories..


I don't think the law is hard enough.. just a slap on the hand for some little time doesn't seem like much. Fuckers don't change/learn, they need to catch a hot one to the face.

Id go for a bat or knife if someone broke into my home. I wouldnt bust out like "Hey you!"... it try to sneak around and be quit and catch them off guard.

pull some assassins creed shit on him amirite?
thats what i would be doing with my hunting knife. if it can cut through a buck, im pretty sure a human would be no problem.

BustedS13
08-13-2011, 07:03 PM
no one has ever crapped their pants at the sound of a shot gun being cocked.. I would hope before you engaged the intruder you would have loaded a round.. a fail to feed would provide an opportunity for the intruder.

i don't keep it chambered. it stays loaded with the lock thing on there... i should mention it's for clay shooting, i really don't think anybody would be interested in robbing me.

DS562
08-13-2011, 08:55 PM
dude, a 5 year would know the sound of a shotgun bein racked. if i broke into somebody's house and i heard that classic sound, i'd turn tail and fuckin book it.

fliprayzin240sx
08-14-2011, 08:10 AM
Basic rule of thumb...if you're in a Democratic State, ie CA, you better be in fear for your life to kill them. If you're in a Republican state, ie TX, fuck em...

I've seen enough stories in CA where they had a burglar in the house, the husband got his gun, went downstairs and shot the burglar in the garage as he was jumping in the car the take it with him, the husband got charged with 2nd degree murder. He wasnt in fear for his life, he was protecting his property.

The whole California favors the criminal more than the victim, here's another example. There was a girl who was kidnapped and raped. She managed to escape when she ended up stabbing the guy over 100 times...she went to jail for that one because she stabbed the guy excessively.

fliprayzin240sx
08-14-2011, 08:12 AM
dude, a 5 year would know the sound of a shotgun bein racked. if i broke into somebody's house and i heard that classic sound, i'd turn tail and fuckin book it.

My coworker here in VA lives in a gheto apartment...he was telling me a story that he woke up in the middle of the night and heard people outside fighting and arguing about how they're gonna cap one another, so went to his gun locker and racked his shotgun as loud as he can and it got real quiet real quick.

boosted98gst
08-14-2011, 09:00 AM
I had something happen in ohio, someone tried to break into my home but ended up running after I flipped the back yard lights on. I wish I had his face on a picture , it was really funny.

BustedS13
08-14-2011, 09:34 AM
I had something happen in ohio, someone tried to break into my home but ended up running after I flipped the back yard lights on. I wish I had his face on a picture , it was really funny.

motion lights bruh. the ultimate home defense

Otto347
08-14-2011, 09:41 AM
Kinda the same situation, but with a concealed permit.

Dude was going into an applebees with his girlfriend.
Man rushes up from behind his girl with a ski mask and gun in hand.
Boyfriend yells "hit the deck" with his gun pointed in girlfriends direction.
She drops, he puts four in the guys chest. (doesnt kill him)
Would be robber pulls off mask telling him the gun was fake.
Gun was real, too bad the fuck didnt die.
Guy is not facing any charges.

Armed diner shoots robbery suspect outside St. Petersburg Applebee's - St. Petersburg Times (http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/armed-diner-shoots-robbery-suspect-outside-st-petersburg-applebees/1184869)

boosted98gst
08-14-2011, 10:21 AM
motion lights bruh. the ultimate home defense


Yeah all that had me off guard, I was one of those type like nothing will happen around here. It was around 2am when it happend, I herd the guy trying to pry into the back wooden sliding door, I did have a shotgun ready but the house and outside was so dark, I creeped on him and just flipped the lights. We both just looked at each other for like 5 seconds and he took off. On a serious note im way more paraniod now days, im always taking steps before it even gets that far. I called the cops but they never found him, nobody is going to catch a crackhead on an adreline rush.

Walperstyle
08-16-2011, 03:22 PM
My Uncle has a Criminal Record because he punched out a man who broke into his basement many years ago. The man said in court that he was 'too drunk to realize it was not his house'.

Personally, I'd let them get away with the crime, but I'd follow them back to where they live, and steal things from them.

kingkilburn
08-16-2011, 07:24 PM
Beating this guys as should get you a medal not a criminal record.

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I wish I could have found the original. :/

T chop
08-19-2011, 10:54 AM
I haven't even most the comments but I can say most people are all talk and act like killing someone is so easy. The only way I would want to kill someone is if it was a kill or be killed situation.

rc1honda
08-19-2011, 08:48 PM
I haven't even most the comments but I can say most people are all talk and act like killing someone is so easy. The only way I would want to kill someone is if it was a kill or be killed situation.

Know how i know you grew and/or live in upper middle class white suburbia?

I don't wanna kill anyone. But i know where i live, which isn't that bad but still. Where i live if someone is breaking in with you in the house they don't plan on just stealing your tv.

Whatever they have planned it's better to just end it then play around and be nice and thoughtful and worry about psychological baggage.

They made a decision, now you have to make one. I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep if i killed some scumbag home invader. If it;s a kid that's different but i don't wanna hang around and wait to see if he just gonna steal my stuff. Or take me to the bank clean my bank account and then snuff me on the street.

You feel sorry for shit bags. I feel sorry for unarmed upstanding citizens.

ultimateirving
08-19-2011, 09:12 PM
If someone broke into my house i would...

1.Restrain him
2.Take him out to my car
3.Drive to a open parking lot,{with my wife holding him at gunpoint while i drive}
4.Tie him to a light post
5.Drift into his ass at high boost
6.Piss on the remains
7.Buy a new 240

this guy is where its at, death by drift..classic

DS562
08-20-2011, 12:52 AM
Basic rule of thumb...if you're in a Democratic State, ie CA, you better be in fear for your life to kill them. If you're in a Republican state, ie TX, fuck em...


]I've seen enough stories in CA where they had a burglar in the house, the husband got his gun, went downstairs and shot the burglar in the garage as he was jumping in the car the take it with him, the husband got charged with 2nd degree murder. He wasnt in fear for his life, he was protecting his property.

seriously. my old AJ teacher told me of a case where this guy broke into an old widow's home and while he was rummaging around in the dark, he tripped over something and injured himself and then sued her....successfully. but thats a different intrusion topic.

ronmcdon
08-20-2011, 02:28 AM
great soundtrack to the 'naked burglar' vid.

word sux
08-20-2011, 06:48 PM
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/029/3/0/Rule_number_2___Double_Tap_by_jhroberts.jpg