government spending is NUTS!

[word sux]

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[ESmorz]

Fucking knew it was going to be squirrels.

[Fractur3]

That video was awesome lol. Only way to fix it is to cut spending and increase income. Seems pretty simple.

[simmode1]

^^^Yes, but how do we increase income if the corporations are still refusing to hire, slashing expenses & pocketing all the profits?

[Fractur3]

taxes. on everybody. I don't think a 1% flat rate across the board is going to hurt anyone.

I don't know what cutting medicare is gonna do either besides hurt people, nursing homes and care facilities are now just cutting back on labor so yes they save that money, but now they're taking more jobs away.. I'm not big into politics, I can't stand how everyone in Washington can't get along, but its past that stage. Put your differences aside and fix the damn problem.

[Freddy]

you Americans need a tax reform so this doesn't happen

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/25/business/economy/25tax.html?pagewanted=all

[lewisfk]

^^ did someone say something about raising TAXES? Next mid term election vote DEMOCRAT, and the taxes will get raised! If u voted tea party u have no one to blame but your self!

[simmode1]

Taxing the wealthy FTMFW. We need some type of trade agreement that keeps corporations from running overseas to avoid taxation.

[TheWolf]

is tired of class warfare.. earn your own shit.. keep your own shit..

[Phlip]

Moving this thread to Loud Noises, where none of the posts in the ensuing argument will count toward post counts.

[S14DB]

Budget Hero | Marketplace from American Public Media (http://marketplace.publicradio.org/features/budget_hero/)

[Corbic]

Taxing the wealthy FTMFW. We need some type of trade agreement that keeps corporations from running overseas to avoid taxation.

Better yet, Fuck them companies! Lets have the Government just raid them and take over. Then they can hire us and just make sure to pay us all fairly and get rid of those fat cat money grubbing bastards!

:hahano:


(sarcasm for the idiots out there)

[Agamemnon]

Taxing the wealthy FTMFW. We need some type of trade agreement that keeps corporations from running overseas to avoid taxation.
That's the ticket! Punish those that succeed.

Then after that, we'll force corporations to stay in America so we can over tax them and they'll have nowhere to run.

The american dream lives on.....

[jorge1190]

Yeah tax the wealthy, because the broke ass people in the world are the ones investing money and creating successful corporations. Some people do the right things and get money other don't, you earn it you should keep it just as much as anyone else.

We do need some sort of reform to keep huge corporations from avoiding all taxes.

[RJF]

Love how people who pay no income tax say "Tax the Rich". How about the 50% of American that don't pay taxes, pay their fair share.

Did you get a tax refund?

[ineedone]

Love how people who pay no income tax say "Tax the Rich". How about the 50% of American that don't pay taxes, pay their fair share.

Did you get a tax refund?

They pay taxes... just not income... But payroll, goods, services, etc...

[RJF]

They pay taxes... just not income... But payroll, goods, services, etc...

Well, that's not paying their fair share.

You know how much Mark and I are penalized for owning Zilvia and if we manage to have a few dollars left at the end of the year? We get hit with Self-employment taxes and penalties for not withholding during the year.

How are we supposed to know if we will have a profit at the end of the year when things change and fluctuate during the year? Right now we are paying off credit card bills for $8000 in server and network equipment.

How does that type of attitude help small businesses plan for the future and try to hire and pay employees, even if they are just part-time?

[ineedone]

Well, that's not paying their fair share.

You know how much Mark and I are penalized for owning Zilvia and if we manage to have a few dollars left at the end of the year? We get hit with Self-employment taxes and penalties for not withholding during the year.

How are we supposed to know if we will have a profit at the end of the year when things change and fluctuate during the year? Right now we are paying off credit card bills for $8000 in server and network equipment.

How does that type of attitude help small businesses plan for the future and try to hire and pay employees, even if they are just part-time?

Be mad at GE for paying 0$! Stop being slackers and become a multi-billion dollar business than you do not have to pay anything... much less a fair share.

What is your view of "fair" the 50% who do not pay income own what percentage of the wealth as a whole? What is it now the top 5% own over 50% of all the wealth in the country?

This is not to say that some people take advantage of it, but the ones doing it on the bottom have no where near the impact of the ones on top who do it.

[bb4_96]

VAT FTMWF. Who gives a shit what you make. Tax on what you spend is fair.

[Corbic]

VAT FTMWF. Who gives a shit what you make. Tax on what you spend is fair.

Then nobody would spend... No body spends, nobody makes money...

[bb4_96]

haha like when gas goes up past $3 a gallon and we all walk.

[ch1873857]

i work for one of the regional support commands in afghanistan. i see how much money is dumped in this shithole country. how about 20 billion? just in afghan aid THIS YEAR alone. thats not including the cost of us being over here. our on spending. so take 50 billion/ year out of the yearly debt, and things would be much different. just saying. 50 billion goes a long way.. its not the answer but we sure as hell wouldnt hear about our credit ratings going down, killing our market. its so frustrating. i just gave 150k to some afghans to dump poo water out of an ANA base that doesnt get used for the purpose we built it. for all we know the taliban are taking up camp there because they magically disappear when the americans come. ok /rant

[sw20>>s14]

but being the world police and sending aid to every shithole under the sun is our MO...cant argue with that can we?

[Fractur3]

Taxing the wealthy FTMFW. We need some type of trade agreement that keeps corporations from running overseas to avoid taxation.

Lol the only reason they go overseas is because they can't afford the taxes and expenses here. Your force them to come back, you might as well close the doors because shit is too expensive here. It makes no sense to punish the people who get college educations and put there neck on the line to make a lot of money, and employ hundreds of people. If they are going to raise taxes, they need to do it on 100% of America, not 5%, thats like taking a 30 year loan on a $10k car, why even bother?

[ch1873857]

but being the world police and sending aid to every shithole under the sun is our MO...cant argue with that can we?

haha :ughd: this is more that aid.. this is like.... christmas for an entire country :wackit:

[upsdude]

but being the world police and sending aid to every shithole under the sun is our MO...cant argue with that can we?


god, how much have we thrown into pakistan?!:picardfp:

[S14DB]

god, how much have we thrown into pakistan?!:picardfp:

Only a few Billion...

Foreign aid to Pakistan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign_aid_to_Pakistan)

[ch1873857]

pakistan is where most taliban are coming from. its going to take more than a few billion to take care of them. money doesnt solve anything especially these people. you give a little, they take a lot and then insist for more. which is why they have us by our balls right now. the haqqani network of taliban are what i deal with on a daily basis. they come from pakistan on j-bad road which just so happens to be the road my base is on YAY. fuck this is a topic that gets my blood boiling. please forgive me.

[Corbic]

pakistan is where most taliban are coming from. its going to take more than a few billion to take care of them. money doesnt solve anything especially these people. you give a little, they take a lot and then insist for more. which is why they have us by our balls right now. the haqqani network of taliban are what i deal with on a daily basis. they come from pakistan on j-bad road which just so happens to be the road my base is on YAY. fuck this is a topic that gets my blood boiling. please forgive me.

Have India fight Pakastan. Their just looking for an excuse.

[ronmcdon]

^^

Hypothetically, I wonder how beneficial that scenario would be to the US?

[kingkilburn]

Well, that's not paying their fair share.

You know how much Mark and I are penalized for owning Zilvia and if we manage to have a few dollars left at the end of the year? We get hit with Self-employment taxes and penalties for not withholding during the year.

How are we supposed to know if we will have a profit at the end of the year when things change and fluctuate during the year? Right now we are paying off credit card bills for $8000 in server and network equipment.

How does that type of attitude help small businesses plan for the future and try to hire and pay employees, even if they are just part-time?

Do you think this puts you in the fabled "over taxed rich" or the reality of over burdened middle class?

If you were an oil company the government would subsidize you and then let you skate on taxes.






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I don't get why people think taxing the middle and lower class more than 30% of their income is fair or constructive but taxing the upper classes any more 3% is stifling and morally abhorrent. The upper classes make more than that in interest in a matter of days. The middle class will never get that back, not even through social programs.

[kingkilburn]

^^

Hypothetically, I wonder how beneficial that scenario would be to the US?

The ensuing nuclear war would allow American and Eurpean companies to clean house on half the planet. We'd be selling them weapons, food, medicine, just about anything you can imagine.

And you bet your ass America would be selling to both sides. Why change what's worked for two world wars and a long series of proxy wars?

[bb4_96]

^I think one way or another it would wind up being a donation in the long run. And then more donations in the form of aid afterward. And if we did charge they couldn't afford it. And the countries that can afford it either don't need it or wouldn't want it.

[kingkilburn]

America donates to people not countries. There is always a motive behind humanitarian aid to countries.

[ch1873857]

America donates to people not countries. There is always a motive behind humanitarian aid to countries.

really? please explain.

[kingkilburn]

America gives food and medicine to Somalia(not that there is actually a government to give to) with no expectations of a return on investment as side from it looks good and is the right thing to do.

America gives Pakistan aid in return for the continued ability to do military operations within their borders.

[upsdude]

America gives Pakistan aid in return for the continued ability to do military operations within their borders.

you mean operations like the one where we HAD TO SNEAK IN to kill bin laden?

[kingkilburn]

You always sneak in when ASSASSINATING people.

[word sux]

You always sneak in when ASSASSINATING people.



not if you assassinate like a baws

[kingkilburn]

Any way.


I was that comment was more leaning towards things like airspace control and patrolling across the border.

[S14DB]

Remember, Corporations are people too....

[kingkilburn]

Remember, Corporations are people too....

That's the most bullshit ruling the Supreme Court has given us and still doesn't excuse them for getting by on their taxes.

[S14DB]

That's the most bullshit ruling the Supreme Court has given us and still doesn't excuse them for getting by on their taxes.

They aren't the only ones that believe that.

Romney in Iowa: 'Corporations are people' too - latimes.com (http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-romney-state-fair-20110811,0,1863810.story?track=rss)

[kingkilburn]

Does that mean a corporation can go to jail in a wrongful death case? Will it go to jail for tax evasion. Is a corporation limited allowed to vote in elections?


A corporation is only a person when it is helpful for politicians getting elected.

[imotion s14]

Does that mean a corporation can go to jail in a wrongful death case?

Wrongful Death is civil law. You don't go to prison under civil law. :rofl:

But yes, a corporation is a legal person. A person is NOT always a human being. Just like property/land. If you scoop up dirt in Westwood where land is more expensive does it mean the dirt is worth a lot compared to dirt from Compton? Of course not. :rofl:

[kingkilburn]

I was thinking man slaughter and wrote wrongful death.


Until politicians and corporate lawyers decided otherwise a person was always 100% a human being.


Your dirt analogy is a waste of time. When you are buying that Westwood property you are buying it for its location not mineral value. Moving the dirt around doesn't change where the property is located.




Almost forgot.
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[axiomatik]

Love how people who pay no income tax say "Tax the Rich". How about the 50% of American that don't pay taxes, pay their fair share.

Did you get a tax refund?

What does that have to do with anything?



Well, that's not paying their fair share.

You know how much Mark and I are penalized for owning Zilvia and if we manage to have a few dollars left at the end of the year? We get hit with Self-employment taxes and penalties for not withholding during the year.

Well, it would be income. Do you think some of your income should be tax-free?

How are we supposed to know if we will have a profit at the end of the year when things change and fluctuate during the year? Right now we are paying off credit card bills for $8000 in server and network equipment.

How does that type of attitude help small businesses plan for the future and try to hire and pay employees, even if they are just part-time?

Generally, the penalty only kicks in if you owe over $1000 in taxes. If you get to the end of the year with some money, you can do several things. Re-invest that money back into zilvia, so you don't show any income. Make a one-time estimated tax payment at the end of the year. Or, take a look at what your average tax burden has been over the past ten years. Average it out and make estimated payments based on that amount. Millions of self-employed people do it every year, whether they be business owners, writers, artists, contract employees, etc.

But that is neither here nor there, this thread is about spending, not how complicated the tax code is.

[Walperstyle]

The whole underlying problem is Jobs. There is too many laws in place that do more harm then protecting the employment in the Western world.

It costs 1.5 billion dollars to bring a new car to market. Maybe its time to lessen some of these BS safety laws for MFG and allow the smaller car companies to compete in America again.

No more protecting Unionized big business that cannot compete globally. Cheers!

[kingkilburn]

Safety should NEVER be compromised to make a product cheaper. If you want to lower the cost of entry in the auto industry pay unskilled laborers less than three times federal minimum wage or pay executives less than tens of millions.

[axiomatik]

The whole underlying problem is Jobs. There is too many laws in place that do more harm then protecting the employment in the Western world.

It costs 1.5 billion dollars to bring a new car to market. Maybe its time to lessen some of these BS safety laws for MFG and allow the smaller car companies to compete in America again.

No more protecting Unionized big business that cannot compete globally. Cheers!

It costs a lot of money to bring a car to market because cars are large, very complex assemblies that require major industry to put together. Beyond that, they are expected to keep working safely and efficiently for 10 years in any kind of weather or operating condition.

That said, I think there should be allowances for small, niche manufacturers. It would be great to have a cottage industry of small sports car makers like in Britain. Allow small companies to sell cars without airbags or crash tests, but require them to be plastered with large disclaimers letting the buyer know the risks they are taking. These kinds of exemptions would only apply to manufacturers who build less than 100 or 200 cars a year, for example.

[Walperstyle]

That said, I think there should be allowances for small, niche manufacturers. It would be great to have a cottage industry of small sports car makers like in Britain. Allow small companies to sell cars without airbags or crash tests, but require them to be plastered with large disclaimers letting the buyer know the risks they are taking. These kinds of exemptions would only apply to manufacturers who build less than 100 or 200 cars a year, for example.

We shouldn't even need the disclaimers. Lawyers f'd up the western world. Back in the old days, if you smashed a car into some children, it was your fault, not Toyota's.

Safety should NEVER be compromised to make a product cheaper. If you want to lower the cost of entry in the auto industry pay unskilled laborers less than three times federal minimum wage or pay executives less than tens of millions.

Safety standards keep getting higher due to stupid people. There is no reason we need to have airbags at all if people knew how to drive. So glad they have the 'no texting, eating, talking on phone' while you drive law here where I live. Its one of the few that makes sense.

Truth be told, the next generation of drivers doesn't care about driving as much. They want cheap reliable transporation.... so let the little guy build cars the size of smart cars that are Ipod connected voice controlled little computers that don't go over 40mph because they are wireless ECU limited by proximity to the city they are in. DONE, I just saved the USA auto mfg.