stance suspension arms good?

[One_love_silvia]

i know their coils are good, but ive searched, and the only reviews i come upon is the fricken coils. does anyone know if their suspension arms and whatnot are good as well? theyre pretty damn expensive, and i know stance's focus is mainly on drifting, and 240's are a large part of their product availability.

i was just wondering if anyone knew about the quality of the parts? also, they just came out with some front tension rods, and theyre about 30$ more than spl ones. anyone wana chime in on that please?

thanks.

[PoorMans180SX]

Never mind.

[CaptainVlad]

They aren't bad. I have all the links they make, and am pretty happy with them. I can take more pictures if you would like.

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205308_144841468916702_100001725491113_286471_2884 034_n.jpg

[word sux]

I would go with spl

Thats what I run

made in america with american materials


your not just getting the best arms on the market you are supporting our economy and american small buisness! fuck stance all their shit is made in taiwan (except the bearings)

[dorkjoey240]

I would go with spl

Thats what I run

made in america with american materials


your not just getting the best arms on the market you are supporting our economy and american small buisness! fuck stance all their shit is made in taiwan (except the bearings)

i too guess would go with SPL to.

[zooopreme]

I would go with spl

Thats what I run

made in america with american materials


your not just getting the best arms on the market you are supporting our economy and american small buisness! fuck stance all their shit is made in taiwan (except the bearings)

SPL is a great company but because these are made in America, they are automatically better? Stance has reputable parts and there are people out there that would swear by their suspension arms as well as SPL.

[MidwestMyriad]

Seems between PBM, Stance, and SPL the only major difference is brand loyalty. All are made to go low, some people just like one brand over the next. I'm sure different bearings are used, but to each his own, there is only so many ways to make an adjustable arm.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9iw1SbELJnQ/TNLJ8O1xYcI/AAAAAAAAASI/DD7yZUygTpY/s1600/Team+America+-+funnier+and+more+enduring+than+Dubya.jpg
America FUCK YEAH!

[Chamb-O]

the welds and tubing fits look like shit on stance
SPL has a much higher quality of manufacture IMO

[Freddy]

I have the RUCA, got them went they first came out. They seem very solid, but then there was a revision. Someone called me from Touge factory (belive it was mike) said they made improvement said they were stronger, sent me the new one free of charge. I would buy all they're arems base off this experience.

[Rob-A-Gee]

Hasn't anybody noticed that Stance links are surprisingly similar to SPL links.
check out SPL's website then look at Stance's links on their website.
They look identical to me and both use Aurora bearings!

[Hoffman5982]

How much variation can there be with a control arm? They have to be the same shape and specs for the car they are designed for. Really?

[lflkajfj12123]

Quality of construction differs. The arms, even though most are relatively the same design, have to hold up to the forces they experience. Thicker tubing, better welding, and stronger bearings is what separates the good from the bad suspension arms.

[Chamb-O]

and hybrid adjusters...those things are really nice to get a precise alignment

[omgRWDgoodness!]

I have Stance toe rods, no complaints here. They do the job they're supposed to do.

[Chamb-O]

Let me rephrase this
for such similar msrp you would be a fool to buy Stance unless you got a pretty good deal on Stance over SPL

the Stance stuff is pretty nice, especially when there is so many junk aftermarket links...but SPL is better

[One_love_silvia]

They aren't bad. I have all the links they make, and am pretty happy with them. I can take more pictures if you would like.

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205308_144841468916702_100001725491113_286471_2884 034_n.jpg

think we could get some closer pics of the welds and such? for the most part, stance i believe is cheaper. the only piece more expensive ive found is the new tension rods, and i recently just found them to only be abt 10$ more now.

[word sux]

send me a pm I have a buddy who is a distributor for spl. He will prolly give you a discount he just told me he needs to move more inventory.



to anyone who says "they look the same". Let me go get a really cheap piece of metal then get a piece of billet aluminum and paint them both black. Then I take a picture of them.


can you honestly tell me which is which??? give me a break. anyone with half a brain knows that these brands who outsource their work to taiwan and china to be mass produced use inferior materials and have very little quality control. yes because its made in america in small batches it IS a quality product.

[CaptainVlad]

think we could get some closer pics of the welds and such? for the most part, stance i believe is cheaper. the only piece more expensive ive found is the new tension rods, and i recently just found them to only be abt 10$ more now.

Sure, I will post some tomorrow as I have to go to work in a bit.

[Hoffman5982]

Yea, Im interested in pics also. I'm thinking about buying Stance just because I have been really happy with my coilovers. Not because I think it's better than SPL or anything.

[word sux]

like I said if you guys shoot me a pm and are serious about buying arms I will give you my dudes number he could prolly hook you up with a price for spl arms at least equal to the stance arms.

[DreamN]

I haven't seen the arms personally nor have I read actual reviews on them so can't really comment.

word sux, I think they're jumping the gun and assuming to much. Simply because a company outsources doesn't mean the quality is lacking all the time.

Also, not being biased just because I run Stance coils as I run SPL arms as well.

[word sux]

I don't trust any car part that is made by someone makeing less then $1 per hour

[chituntang]

send me a pm I have a buddy who is a distributor for spl. He will prolly give you a discount he just told me he needs to move more inventory.



to anyone who says "they look the same". Let me go get a really cheap piece of metal then get a piece of billet aluminum and paint them both black. Then I take a picture of them.


can you honestly tell me which is which??? give me a break. anyone with half a brain knows that these brands who outsource their work to taiwan and china to be mass produced use inferior materials and have very little quality control. yes because its made in america in small batches it IS a quality product.

You can make shitty products in America in small batches if the materials sucks; you can mass produce a great products in China if the materials is good quality.

QC does not mean shit when there is no quality to begin with.

I do not see you driving a made in America, made in small batches automobile...

Get back to the OP's question. I believe Stance makes quality products. Are they the best? No...

[blueshark123]

If i have a Chinese baby would it be inferior to an American baby

[huffandpuff00]

I have the RUCA's and they are good quality. The welds look good and as everyone has said the bearing are quality. Ill put up pictures tomorrow...

IDK how much the SPL RUCA's are but I got my STANCE ones for $220 shipped(free shipping with other parts I bought). Are they really worth that much?, probably not!

Con: RUCA angle is very little. (Angle that helps with low car) PBM greater angle.

[One_love_silvia]

if we had a side by side comparison of close up shots of both i bet it would make it easier :)

[chituntang]

If i have a Chinese baby would it be inferior to an American baby

If you have a American baby made in China, is it inferior? ;)

[[email protected]]

Hasn't anybody noticed that Stance links are surprisingly similar to SPL links.
check out SPL's website then look at Stance's links on their website.
They look identical to me and both use Aurora bearings!

They look similar because Stance ripped off our designs.

[1on1]

^That's funny.

[Irresistible]

I have Stance RUCAs and toe rods with the Aurora bearings. Welds look really nice, and for me it was a no brainer to buy them, because if they break, I can just hop on over to Stance/TF and have them replace them for me or whatever the same day because they're local. :D

[lflkajfj12123]

They look similar because Stance ripped off our designs.

Shots fired

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_cuGv3IjzSk8/TEcD1D7t_qI/AAAAAAAAB-Y/ZnTUcjl3RU4/s1600/columbine.jpg

[icedsole]

They look similar because Stance ripped off our designs.

http://images.yuku.com/image/gif/39525986c6caa61f56dfe514dcab73b6463c672.gif

[1337]

http://www.geekologie.com/2009/06/11/pew%20pew.gif

[OBEEWON]

I don't use aftermarket arms and links anymore, but when I do I whittle them from wood. Stay Green my friend.

[huffandpuff00]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-dNw3Au27j2E/TZqh3mHvFTI/AAAAAAAAAq8/OTkoBFr2QrM/s320/IMG_3347.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-18_ib7Hge_M/TZqhycgDWSI/AAAAAAAAAq0/zhNi8X45u9c/s320/IMG_3349.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-bCtwgphQTGA/TZqhyLNN42I/AAAAAAAAAqs/pVv891V4gdg/s320/IMG_3348.JPG
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-OewMeNtFvGI/TZqhxbHvNLI/AAAAAAAAAqc/MmYygVSDOo4/s320/IMG_3344.JPG

This is the little angle I am talking about with the RUCA's. It should still help them to not hit the frame rail, but could of been a little more.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-hyRQWGWTHG8/TZqhxzw8ZgI/AAAAAAAAAqk/dIzbohR07WA/s320/IMG_3345.JPG
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-MYVpQK7PQyw/TZqhxPqXlzI/AAAAAAAAAqU/URYAFaIq4yY/s320/IMG_3341.JPG
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WKTo0tYa2RI/TZqhgnf7IeI/AAAAAAAAAqM/TJzlsJvEUDA/s320/IMG_3339.JPG

[One_love_silvia]

Sweet pics. Thanks. The welds look pretty solid. Let's not turn this into a hate thread on stance tho. Instead of being pissed, imo you shud be flattered if they really took your idea/design. That means they see that ur the best and they wish to be as good as you.nd from what I've seen they're pretty solid. Any pics of spl arms/welds?

[DreamN]

^ form a business standpoint that's not a good thing.

Though, it is pretty hard to reinvent the wheel.

[One_love_silvia]

It may be bad from a business stand point, but the only reason they shud be scared of losing business, is if they r intimidated by the other company because they ARE good quality. Naw mean?

[DreamN]

No I don't know what you mean.

It's not an intimidation issue either.

You just simply don't know what you're talking about.

[Chamb-O]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-18_ib7Hge_M/TZqhycgDWSI/AAAAAAAAAq0/zhNi8X45u9c/s320/IMG_3349.JPG
this is exactly what I was talking about
the tubing fit is bad
the weld is undercut

basically they had a large gap in the tubing fit and tried to fill it in with a weld
this is the second pair I have seen like this

[obsolete]

No I don't know what you mean.

It's not an intimidation issue either.

You just simply don't know what you're talking about.

hahahaha funny

[ManoNegra]

Sweet pics. Thanks. The welds look pretty solid. Let's not turn this into a hate thread on stance tho. Instead of being pissed, imo you shud be flattered if they really took your idea/design. That means they see that ur the best and they wish to be as good as you.nd from what I've seen they're pretty solid. Any pics of spl arms/welds?

flattery doesn't put money in your pocket
how flattered do you think Tomei is?

http://www.stance-usa.com/sus/images/stories/engine/stnc-oilblockadapter.jpg


a kid I sold a KA oil block to once
asked me if it'd be OK for him to copy it and sell it seeing as to, at the time, we didn't have them in stock
I wasn't flattered

[ixfxi]

They look similar because Stance ripped off our designs.

Preach on, brotha.


Let's not turn this into a hate thread on stance tho. Instead of being pissed, imo you shud be flattered if they really took your idea/design. That means they see that ur the best and they wish to be as good as you.nd from what I've seen they're pretty solid. Any pics of spl arms/welds?

Seriously?

It may be bad from a business stand point, but the only reason they shud be scared of losing business, is if they r intimidated by the other company because they ARE good quality. Naw mean?

Seriously? Must I ask if you are an idiot, or should we all just assume because you said "naw mean" on the Internet, that you just auto-validated yourself as an idiot.

I mean, you'de have to be an idiot not to understand that when your work is copied, the copy-cat takes.. or shall i say steals business away from your business. What the fuck does flattery have to do with this? Do you want Kuah to say "oh wow, im so flattered.. how nice of them to steal and copy my design and resell it." Or feel intimidated? You need to stick your head in an oven. SERIOUSLY.


flattery doesn't put money in your pocket
how flattered do you think Tomei is?

http://www.stance-usa.com/sus/images/stories/engine/stnc-oilblockadapter.jpg


The sad thing about my car, is that I actually have that fucking piece. And now, I didnt pay for it really.. well, I didnt buy it new. I bought it from Om1kron who had it laying around. I paid 60 bucks for it. And, I had to buy new fittings because the factory ones suck ass (were bent out of round) and the bolts they included were not the hex-bolts you see, but tapered hex bolts which I didnt feel comfortable with. I purchased stainless hex bolts (as shown above) and new fittings.. then I blasted the fruitcake gold anodizing off and shot peened it. No Stance gold, No Tomei blue - nothing. Last thing I need are people making a shopping cart out of my project. Raw stock silver does it for me.

But yes, shamefully.. I have that piece. :(

[One_love_silvia]

Seriously?

Seriously? Must I ask if you are an idiot, or should we all just assume because you said "naw mean" on the Internet, that you just auto-validated yourself as an idiot.

I mean, you'de have to be an idiot not to understand that when your work is copied, the copy-cat takes.. or shall i say steals business away from your business. What the fuck does flattery have to do with this? Do you want Kuah to say "oh wow, im so flattered.. how nice of them to steal and copy my design and resell it." Or feel intimidated? You need to stick your head in an oven. SERIOUSLY.


you mad bro? ya i might not understand it from a business stand point. but theres no reason to go blowing a head gasket over it. and just fyi, the naw mean was a little sarcistic. as is me calling u bro. l2nottakethingssoliterallyontheinternet. then again, the internets probably too advanced for someone your age.

regardless, ive gotten what i need to know. ill probably end up rocking some spl with some stance. i know my coils will atleast be from stance.


thx all for the pics and info. appreciate it.

mods can feel free to lock it if you so wish.

[1337]

i think splpartz is a pretty cool guy. eh wants to make good suspension links and doesnt afraid of anything.

[word sux]

thanks for the close up pics of the stance arms..




soo happy i went with spl instead of some cheap knock off's

[Hoffman5982]

The sad thing about my car, is that I actually have that fucking piece. And now, I didnt pay for it really.. well, I didnt buy it new. I bought it from Om1kron who had it laying around. I paid 60 bucks for it. And, I had to buy new fittings because the factory ones suck ass (were bent out of round) and the bolts they included were not the hex-bolts you see, but tapered hex bolts which I didnt feel comfortable with. I purchased stainless hex bolts (as shown above) and new fittings.. then I blasted the fruitcake gold anodizing off and shot peened it. No Stance gold, No Tomei blue - nothing. Last thing I need are people making a shopping cart out of my project. Raw stock silver does it for me.

But yes, shamefully.. I have that piece. :(

so....you bought it used, and the fittings were damaged and the bolts weren't the ones you see pictured? I'm going to have to reverse your question to One_Love back onto yourself. Do you see what's wrong with your statement? I put the issue in bold for you. Right up at the top there.


Everytime I see you post you are talking down on people. We get it, you're better than everyone here. You're THAT guy

[Hoffman5982]

thanks for the close up pics of the stance arms..




soo happy i went with spl instead of some cheap knock off's

Stance isn't really a cheap knock off. They used the Aurora end links. Oh no!
If they had used the QA1 end links, they would be considered a knockoff of a different company. Stance puts out some quality stuff. Whether their stuff is better/worse than SPL or any other company, that's all a matter of opinion until we see some solid reviews on the Stance arms. By that I mean people installing them on their cars and taking them to the track to beat the piss out of them. Of course some of you fanbois are going to reply to this saying "I would never install that garbage on a track car". get over yourself. People have installed Godspeed parts and taken them to the track to see how they held up. I think the majority of us can agree that we would trust Stance over Godspeed

[word sux]

flattery doesn't put money in your pocket
how flattered do you think Tomei is?

http://www.stance-usa.com/sus/images/stories/engine/stnc-oilblockadapter.jpg


a kid I sold a KA oil block to once
asked me if it'd be OK for him to copy it and sell it seeing as to, at the time, we didn't have them in stock
I wasn't flattered


correct me if I am wrong but tomei stopped production on this item.

so I am happy that stance ripped it off because it is a great design and should be availble.

[PoorMans180SX]

. We get it, you're better than everyone here.

HAHA, you don't even know. His quality of work is, in my opinion, better than everyone's on here. At least top 10.

Soooo yeahhhhh...

Design is design. It doesn't matter if you make a cheaper, crappier version, or an exact replica. It's a copy. A rip-off. Stealing.

[Hoffman5982]

Well if you're using that logic then unless SPL was the first company to make aftermarket suspension components then even they are a rip off of someone. And I do not care about his quality of work. Broadfield has the best quality i have ever seen and yet he doesn't act like a complete douche everytime I see him.

[Chamb-O]

Well if you're using that logic then unless SPL was the first company to make aftermarket suspension components then even they are a rip off of someone.

You are an idiot
they started off with a basic design that you could draw up from simple rules of suspension design
then they released updated designs as they revised the original due to basic feedback from shops and customers

Stance saw a void in the market to make a slightly cheaper link
made them look like a quality product (SPL)
spent a little more money for a rod end
put a stance sticker on it

Please correct me if I am wrong

[Hoffman5982]

Someone has already said that the Stance RUCA does not have as much of an angle, therefor it is a slightly different design, and therefor yes you are wrong.

What I'm getting at here is that whether or not they completely copied SPL or any other company(SPL is not the only good company out there you guys. This is probably the biggest bandwagon I have ever seen) Stance is still a good company. They don't put out completely shitty products and they take care of their customers? Isn't that what we ultimately want? The guy from SPL can get all butt hurt that they copied their design, but it's called competition. It happens every day. It's a part of life. Get over it.

And btw, you think calling someone an idiot really makes you look like the bigger guy here? It doesn't hurt my feelings, it just makes you look immature

[huffandpuff00]

Anyone have clearance issue with the STANCE RUCA hitting the coil? I am running tein Flex, which PBM had a clearance issue with. PBM fixed the issue by making the arch larger.

Im pretty sure I have the RUCA going the right direction(arch pointing forwards)?
The RUCA is hitting on the lock nut things that hold the springs up tight to the top of the coil. Hopefully after I raise them up 25mm to accomidate the DW knuckles, the nuts will be clear of the RUCAs.

[towlie]

so....you bought it used, and the fittings were damaged and the bolts weren't the ones you see pictured? I'm going to have to reverse your question to One_Love back onto yourself. Do you see what's wrong with your statement? I put the issue in bold for you. Right up at the top there.


Everytime I see you post you are talking down on people. We get it, you're better than everyone here. You're THAT guy

No...

I think if it was a truly quality product, he wouldnt have to replace the fittings or the bolts, used or not. Bent out of round fittings, that sounds pretty fucking sketch.

Good info, ixfxi

[Nismo95]

wasnt tomei the maker of these?

[Hoffman5982]

No...

I think if it was a truly quality product, he wouldnt have to replace the fittings or the bolts, used or not. Bent out of round fittings, that sounds pretty fucking sketch.

Good info, ixfxi

Wow. You really missed the point. He bought it used, which means the PO could have lost the original bolts and messed up the fittings. When buying a used item, you don't really know the original condition. And 9 times out of 10 the guy selling it is going to say they came that way.

[towlie]

The sad thing about my car, is that I actually have that fucking piece. And now, I didnt pay for it really.. well, I didnt buy it new. I bought it from Om1kron who had it laying around. I paid 60 bucks for it. And, I had to buy new fittings because the factory ones suck ass (were bent out of round) and the bolts they included were not the hex-bolts you see, but tapered hex bolts which I didnt feel comfortable with. I purchased stainless hex bolts (as shown above) and new fittings.. then I blasted the fruitcake gold anodizing off and shot peened it. No Stance gold, No Tomei blue - nothing. Last thing I need are people making a shopping cart out of my project. Raw stock silver does it for me.

Wow. You really missed the point. He bought it used, which means the PO could have lost the original bolts and messed up the fittings. When buying a used item, you don't really know the original condition. And 9 times out of 10 the guy selling it is going to say they came that way.

Did you miss that part?

I put it in bold for you

:rolleyes:

[One_love_silvia]

Wow. You really missed the point. He bought it used, which means the PO could have lost the original bolts and messed up the fittings. When buying a used item, you don't really know the original condition. And 9 times out of 10 the guy selling it is going to say they came that way.

sadly this is true. i got to find out after a couple months of putting together my 5 lug swap and q45 front brake swap, that the guy who sold me them, 1, gave me bad rotors, and 2 gave me bad calipers. they fricken leak out the pistons. so i had to spend 180$ on new ones, and il only get back like 60 in core.

unless is BNIB or somethin of the sort, i think im done buying used things unless its something simple like an exhaust or whatnot. i personally would never sell something i didnt think worked, or if i wasnt sure it worked or not. but apparently not everyone thinks that way. gfg

and 1+ on bandwagon comment. ya, i get SPL is top quality shit, but you guys are acting like stance is on par of shitty-ness with godspeed.

it might not be top notch quality, but its atleast good quality.

[Vatche]

this thread is full of win.

after so many years of fiddling with shit on my car, do it right the first time.

however you choose to get there.

[[email protected]]

this thread is full of win.

after so many years of fiddling with shit on my car, do it right the first time.

however you choose to get there.

QFT



agreed.

[One_love_silvia]

this thread is full of win.

after so many years of fiddling with shit on my car, do it right the first time.

however you choose to get there.

so is what ur trying to say, is that getting spl would be doing it right, and getting stance would be doing it wrong?

just wana get that clarified a lil more. kinda vague.

[Chamb-O]

And btw, you think calling someone an idiot really makes you look like the bigger guy here? It doesn't hurt my feelings, it just makes you look immature

I'm not trying to be the bigger guy, I just think you are a fucking idiot.

[ManoNegra]

correct me if I am wrong but tomei stopped production on this item.

so I am happy that stance ripped it off because it is a great design and should be availble.

really because changing a few things around to at least give the impression
you designed something from scratch it's too difficult?

but your argument is really sound
if you're a communist
Tomei oil blocks for the people!

[ixfxi]

so....you bought it used, and the fittings were damaged and the bolts weren't the ones you see pictured? I'm going to have to reverse your question to One_Love back onto yourself. Do you see what's wrong with your statement? I put the issue in bold for you. Right up at the top there.

Everytime I see you post you are talking down on people. We get it, you're better than everyone here. You're THAT guy

No no no. For a sec, I was thinking maybe I didnt make myself clear.. but later down someone clearly understood what I said, which just once again proves peoples' inability to understand proper grammar.

And, I am not ThatGuy. Barry is ThatGuy. I am ixfxi or banned old_s13. I really, really should revert back to the old_s13 account.. it just sounded so much better.


HAHA, you don't even know. His quality of work is, in my opinion, better than everyone's on here. At least top 10.


I dont think you saw my car yet, did you? Or are you just judging from the over-priced crap we spend 10 hours fabricating on the daily?


Well if you're using that logic then unless SPL was the first company to make aftermarket suspension components then even they are a rip off of someone. And I do not care about his quality of work. Broadfield has the best quality i have ever seen and yet he doesn't act like a complete douche everytime I see him.

Broadfield's work is great................................. for a stereo guy. >:-)

Besides, he doesnt act like a douche because I have a contact with the guys on the forum to do all their dirty work for them. I mean, read Toby's thread.. I think you'll see him fly off the handle like once or twice. Especially that time someone said that he doesnt respect him because he doesnt track his car.


You are an idiot
they started off with a basic design that you could draw up from simple rules of suspension design
then they released updated designs as they revised the original due to basic feedback from shops and customers

Stance saw a void in the market to make a slightly cheaper link
made them look like a quality product (SPL)
spent a little more money for a rod end
put a stance sticker on it

Please correct me if I am wrong

^ This is what I call smart. A man who takes all the pieces of the puzzle and puts them all together. Its a shame we dont have more people like you on the forums. Its like you're too smart for Zilvia and end up turning into a detective like Columbo.


The guy from SPL can get all butt hurt that they copied their design, but it's called competition. It happens every day. It's a part of life. Get over it.
And btw, you think calling someone an idiot really makes you look like the bigger guy here? It doesn't hurt my feelings, it just makes you look immature

The "guy from SPL" has more money than you, is more successful than you, and can buy and sell your broke ass on the corner block. You see, you can talk about being the bigger guy but until you have some deep rooted philosophies when it comes to business - you end up being just another chump buying the cheapest or "best bargain" product you can justify. When you actually learn about companies, respect their work, their business etiquette - then you start being a quality consumer who focuses on buying high-quality niche products. You know, the type where typically the owners live and breath what they do, day in and day out.. and typically always there to help the customer.

Its crazy how people dont realize that there is a pulse on the internet and that we business owners hear shit. When we hear chumps saying "who cares if this company copied you, be flattered" it makes us want to close business and say "fuck these jagoffs" but when we hear 10 more people back us up and then call and buy more products we think and say "thank god, all hope is not lost."

Seriously, its like theres a big fucking void between real caring human beings, and complete assholes who have no morals. I may come off ass a dick, but I will say that I probably care more about this shitty car, the shitty scene, and the shitty products out there than you do.

No...
I think if it was a truly quality product, he wouldnt have to replace the fittings or the bolts, used or not. Bent out of round fittings, that sounds pretty fucking sketch.
Good info, ixfxi

Wow. You really missed the point. He bought it used, which means the PO could have lost the original bolts and messed up the fittings. When buying a used item, you don't really know the original condition. And 9 times out of 10 the guy selling it is going to say they came that way.

Since we're digging up old dirt, which I didnt want to get into. The product was purchased by Om1kron from "Mountain Factory" (think hard here). It arrived with tapered bolts and the AN fittings were bent "due to shipping" and they didnt want to replace the fittings when he called them up. Funny, because when I bought the S15 subframe spacers they did the same thing to me.. they said "we just copied some japanese companies design and we cant machine these little spacers" ... the little spacers I am referring to are the badass ones that SPL machines with their S15 subframe spacer kit, which unfortunately for me, was not for sale at the time. I *SHOULD HAVE* just picked up the fucking phone and asked Kuah if he would make them for me, but I didnt. My loss. Now they are for sale and cheaper than what "Mountain Factory" sold their kit for.

My only gripe with SPL is one thing: they dont offer an adjustable arm that uses nismo (rubber) bushing. To me, this is the only reason I dont run their arm. It would be completely dope to be able to use the same arm and swap between helm bushing vs rubber bushing. But, hey... maybe that will change one day (crossing my fingers Kuah).


sadly this is true. i got to find out after a couple months of putting together my 5 lug swap and q45 front brake swap, that the guy who sold me them, 1, gave me bad rotors, and 2 gave me bad calipers. they fricken leak out the pistons. so i had to spend 180$ on new ones, and il only get back like 60 in core.

You cant be serious. You're using used rotors? You didnt disassemble the pistons and install new seals? You're wasting time with Q45 brakes when Z32 are plentiful? I understand, the car scene is just too expensive. Maybe you would like a Fisher Price 240SX, I hear they are less expensive to tune.


I'm not trying to be the bigger guy, I just think you are a fucking idiot.

This is what makes this forum so beautiful. Freedom of calling someone "a fucking idiot."

There's still hope for Zilvia.

[ManoNegra]

You see, you can talk about being the bigger guy but until you have some deep rooted philosophies when it comes to business - you end up being just another chump buying the cheapest or "best bargain" product you can justify. When you actually learn about companies, respect their work, their business etiquette - then you start being a quality consumer who focuses on buying high-quality niche products. You know, the type where typically the owners live and breath what they do, day in and day out.. and typically always there to help the customer.

Its crazy how people dont realize that there is a pulse on the internet and that we business owners hear shit. When we hear chumps saying "who cares if this company copied you, be flattered" it makes us want to close business and say "fuck these jagoffs" but when we hear 10 more people back us up and then call and buy more products we think and say "thank god, all hope is not lost."

Seriously, its like theres a big fucking void between real caring human beings, and complete assholes who have no morals. I may come off ass a dick, but I will say that I probably care more about this shitty car, the shitty scene, and the shitty products out there than you do.


pshhhh
Mike you're blowing you cover
you're supposed to be this a-hole who doesn't give a shit
this makes it seem you have a heart

but seriously, that's about the best description I've read
about how I feel about this shitty cars and the community

[[email protected]]

Any pics of spl arms/welds?

This is the tubing fit and weld on our rear upper arms:

http://splprosuspension.com/images/P1000326.JPG

http://splprosuspension.com/images/P1000323.JPG


What I'm getting at here is that whether or not they completely copied SPL or any other company(SPL is not the only good company out there you guys. This is probably the biggest bandwagon I have ever seen) Stance is still a good company. They don't put out completely shitty products and they take care of their customers? Isn't that what we ultimately want? The guy from SPL can get all butt hurt that they copied their design, but it's called competition. It happens every day. It's a part of life. Get over it.

Touge Factory / Stance / Version Select hasn't developed anything themselves -- HSD designs and manufactures their coilovers; other products are copies (eg. our suspension arms for the S-chassis and 350Z/G35, Vertex body kits, Tomei oil blocks, on and on).

Cusco, Battle Version, PBM, JIC, Tein -- that's competition. 100 different companies setting out to develop the same tension rod can have 100 different looking products. Stance could have easily spent a few thousand dollars to contract out an engineer to develop a new design for their suspension arms, and have something that is truly theirs, instead this is their way to make a few extra bucks. This is a company with no morals and no engineering expertise. What they are good at is marketing.

As far as bandwagon goes, SPL has been selling suspension products since 2003, we have more customers that have podium finishes in Formula-D, Redline time attack, rally, etc than anyone else, so that is 8 years of success in top level competition, and 8 years of providing customer service and products. If there is a SPL bandwagon, then I hope that's justified.

[One_love_silvia]

This is the tubing fit and weld on our rear upper arms:

http://splprosuspension.com/images/P1000326.JPG

http://splprosuspension.com/images/P1000323.JPG



Touge Factory / Stance / Version Select hasn't developed anything themselves -- HSD designs and manufactures their coilovers; other products are copies (eg. our suspension arms for the S-chassis and 350Z/G35, Vertex body kits, Tomei oil blocks, on and on).

Cusco, Battle Version, PBM, JIC, Tein -- that's competition. 100 different companies setting out to develop the same tension rod can have 100 different looking products. Stance could have easily spent a few thousand dollars to contract out an engineer to develop a new design for their suspension arms, and have something that is truly theirs, instead this is their way to make a few extra bucks. This is a company with no morals and no engineering expertise. What they are good at is marketing.

As far as bandwagon goes, SPL has been selling suspension products since 2003, we have more customers that have podium finishes in Formula-D, Redline time attack, rally, etc than anyone else, so that is 8 years of success in top level competition, and 8 years of providing customer service and products. If there is a SPL bandwagon, then I hope that's justified.
thank you for the pic. those look absolutely great. perfect welds. because of just that, im probably going to end up getting spl arms instead.

as for the bickering bingo players up top, if the cars are so shitty, the scene is so shitty, and the site is so shitty, why not fuckin leave? no ones gunna miss ur grumpy asses.

and yes, i bought q45 brakes. i bought the rotors hoping there was plenty of life in them to get them resurfaced. as for the calipers, i bought them because ive read tons of reviews on how great they are, and how u can fade them in and out. unlike the on/off switch that z32's are. not to mention im not exactly rich enough to buy z32's or care to spend that much to get a such marginal difference. sorry everyone doesnt own a business like you. the fact that u think most people in the 240 scene can afford expensive shit like that, just proves ur naive about the scene. sure theres plenty of nice cars out there, but the majority dont look like that. the fact that u think everyone can afford z32 brake upgrades shows that u think everyone has as much $$ as you, and you obviously don't know the car scene that well.

try hitting up a local meet every other week. maybe ur opinion will change. or maybe not cuz ur an old elitist man.

some people might chose to buy shitty stuff like godspeed and whatnot, but im not. i might be able to fix my car up faster if i do, but whats the point if its just gunna break and i have to replace it? id rather save up and wait awhile to buy parts then go the cheap route and redo it. however, just because they're q45s doesnt mean its the cheap route. i prefer the q45 to 300zx brakes because theyre not on/off. and multiple people have given reviews saying they liked q45's more than when they had z32's on.

kthxbaaaaii ;)

[Hoffman5982]

^true, those welds do look amazing,

and Ixfxi, don't talk like you know me. You know nothing about me. You don't know if I buy cheap parts or quality parts. You're still a douche. If you run your own company or a shop or whatever, that doesn't automatically make you better than anyone. Yeah, the guy from SPL is a LOT more successful than me and has a lot more money than me. Guess what, I'm 19 years old. That's not a huge accomplishment. At the same time, the guy from SPL isn't coming in here and talking down on people.

Kuah- I commend you for coming in and backing yourself up with pictures of you're quality work. I do apologize for saying you got butt hurt.
Ixfxi- Grow up. You're not better than anyone else

[SoBay240guy]

ROFLMAO

Kuah has his moments aswell, trust me.

Yeah Mike's an asshole...there's only 2 types of people in this world idiots and assholes
but unfortunately he's right, absolutely.

And he is out there going to meets and he does know the scene inside out and backwards, he is atleast partly responsible for the current state of the scene (shitty or otherwise),

And yes the scene is full of shitty shit, people and cars, but that doesn't mean we don't love it, whiney cheap poseurs, who wait for cheap copies of innovative products.

[towlie]

My question is...

Where is Stance to defend their product?

[HayaiSaru]

Stance links look similar but not the same. But than you look at other links and they all look similar. If anything, Stance uses 3pc aurora bearings which is better quality than the 2pc qa1 bearings that spl uses. Improvement is what counts. That's how Sony does so well, no? They take existing products and improves it?

[1337]

spl was the first that I know of to use that hybrid adjuster

[One_love_silvia]

...there's only 2 types of people in this world idiots and assholes


I'm sorry you feel that way.

[SoBay240guy]

I'm sorry you haven't come to realize that yet, don't worry it will become apparent soon.

SPL was the first to take the design to the nissan street scene, it'a a re-allocation of technlogy used for heim adjustment dating to the 70's jaguars, used countless times since, but a well suited use and needed aswell.

[Touge Noob S13]

^true, those welds do look amazing,

and Ixfxi, don't talk like you know me. You know nothing about me. You don't know if I buy cheap parts or quality parts. You're still a douche. If you run your own company or a shop or whatever, that doesn't automatically make you better than anyone. Yeah, the guy from SPL is a LOT more successful than me and has a lot more money than me. Guess what, I'm 19 years old. That's not a huge accomplishment. At the same time, the guy from SPL isn't coming in here and talking down on people.

Kuah- I commend you for coming in and backing yourself up with pictures of you're quality work. I do apologize for saying you got butt hurt.
Ixfxi- Grow up. You're not better than anyone else
Mike has every right to be a dick. Seeing as how he witnessed the decline of the scene to what it is nowadays. I just looked at your location and no wonder you dont know about Mike's business. You live in fucking middle of no where Alabama.

[obsolete]

19 yr olds telling adults to grow up lol

Hey kids, it's ok to act ur age. stop frontin like you know everything and maybe u could learn something. just a thought

[Irresistible]

Now that I look at the welds in more detail, I kind of wish I would have just gotten SPL... The toe rods look fine, but the RUCAs, idk. Hopefully they'll make it through this season, and afterwards I'll just get SPL arms.

[chituntang]

For the dude that cannot afford a $500 dollar brake upgrade (aka z32 brake front) on a car that's worth around $3000 dollars or less, you should not be modifying car at all.

$250 for Z32 front brakes
$100 for Brembo blank rotors
$100 for conversion lines (came with my brake purchase)
$100 for Z32 BMC (ebay $60 bucks remanufactured unit)
$10 for fluids
$25 for rebuild kit

To be a wise 19 years old, learn to listen. Stop running your mouth like you know everything.

Stance links look similar but not the same. But than you look at other links and they all look similar. If anything, Stance uses 3pc aurora bearings which is better quality than the 2pc qa1 bearings that spl uses. Improvement is what counts. That's how Sony does so well, no? They take existing products and improves it?

Failed.

Sony did way more than just taking existing products and improves it. I.E. Blue Ray Disc for the younger generation.

[ManoNegra]

19 yr olds telling adults to grow up lol

Hey kids, it's ok to act ur age. stop frontin like you know everything and maybe u could learn something. just a thought

So how about setting an example by not writing like a poorly educated one.
just a thought.

[obsolete]

So how about setting an example by not writing like a poorly educated one.
just a thought.

It's called communication. Do you talk to your 3 yr old the same way you talk to your buddy? You have to relate to ur audience.

[Tenchuu]

It's funny how people always flock to SPL on here. I went with a aceinhole special, spend $150 for a full set of all arms, $200 on a good set of aurora heads, and have been rocking them for over 5 years. are they as nice as SPL? no. will they last as long? no at $350 a pop how many sets can i get for the same $1300-1500 that a SPL set will cost? around 4. Lets say mine are about to break, then they will last around 6-7 years for each pop. that gives me arms for 25 years.

before you say they are crap, most arms break due to heads binding, and also Aceinhole has used his to compete close to, if not nationally auto crossing his car for years with no ill effect.

how does this relate to the question ask? there are many choices, and even cheap shit arms work great if the welds are O.K and the heads are good. Once basic reliability has been reached, you are paying for extra features (angles), customer support, peace of mind (build quality), and brand name loyalty. SO the OP should consider what he values and purchase accordingly.

[tricky_ab]

correct me if I am wrong but tomei stopped production on this item.

so I am happy that stance ripped it off because it is a great design and should be availble.

They are still making them...

[lflkajfj12123]

Zilvia.net - Ageism and Knockoffs

[ixfxi]

This is the tubing fit and weld on our rear upper arms:

As far as bandwagon goes, SPL has been selling suspension products since 2003, we have more customers that have podium finishes in Formula-D, Redline time attack, rally, etc than anyone else, so that is 8 years of success in top level competition, and 8 years of providing customer service and products. If there is a SPL bandwagon, then I hope that's justified.

Kuah, I dont think your products need defending. Honestly, I cant think of anyone in the community who wouldnt want your product, me included. I've always believed that good quality products dont require clever marketing or someone online to defend them.

Imagine a forum where someone has the balls to say "fuck the mclaren F1" -- its like... no buddy "the mclaren F1 FUCKS YOU."


try hitting up a local meet every other week. maybe ur opinion will change. or maybe not cuz ur an old elitist man.
i prefer the q45 to 300zx brakes because theyre not on/off. and multiple people have given reviews saying they liked q45's more than when they had z32's on.
kthxbaaaaii ;)

People have given reviews? You're just reading what others spout, and most of these people are n00bs like yourself. Wake up dude, Q45 brakes are barely entry level. The Z32 brakes, if installed properly, should be the standard for a decent performing brake setup. Unfortunately, you're too young.. and in this case, too stupid to understand things like brake bias. Thats why you read reviews, you cant understand that when you change calipers.. you change brake bias. When you change pads, you change brake bias. Therefore, if you're going to install Z32 brakes.. you do THE ENTIRE SYSTEM. Read through my 30,000 posts and I'm sure you'll hear me, as always, telling people to upgrade the calipers (both front and rear) ***WITH*** the brake... master... cylinder. BMC? Ring a bell?

Jesus, you can go to a scrapyard and pick that shit out for pennies, as someone has already pointed out. God forbid, on/off switch braking.. what to do. What to do? You install the brakes the right way, thats what you do.


and Ixfxi, don't talk like you know me. You know nothing about me. You don't know if I buy cheap parts or quality parts. You're still a douche. If you run your own company or a shop or whatever, that doesn't automatically make you better than anyone.
Ixfxi- Grow up. You're not better than anyone else

I'm talking shit because I dont know you. Thats why the internet is fun. Even if I did know you, i'de still talk shit. Whats the matter, dont know how to have fun and fuck around? Whats with you kids, its like emo is the new male standard? Like.. hang your baby balls out a bit, joke with the guys. You may it seem like posting on a forum makes you some engineering giant. No one cares. No one cares about me, my business, you, your business. Its just all shit talking and should be all fun. Call me a fucking idiot, you think I'm going to have a hard time sleeping at night because "240SXdrifter4lyfe" thinks i'm stupid?

Gotta get some thicker skin. And, even if I am better than you.. who cares? You guys get all pissy over nothing.


For the dude that cannot afford a $500 dollar brake upgrade (aka z32 brake front) on a car that's worth around $3000 dollars or less, you should not be modifying car at all.
To be a wise 19 years old, learn to listen. Stop running your mouth like you know everything.
Failed.

This concludes our lesson.

[PoorMans180SX]

I dont think you saw my car yet, did you? Or are you just judging from the over-priced crap we spend 10 hours fabricating on the daily?



Yes sir I do believe I have. Charcoal grey (an actual nice paint job), kouki bumper/lip, chuki sides, Stoptech brakes, black TE37's and fender flares. Some kind of coilovers with allen-lock collars. It's been a while.

[Irresistible]

I'm talking shit because I dont know you. Thats why the internet is fun. Even if I did know you, i'de still talk shit. Whats the matter, dont know how to have fun and fuck around? Whats with you kids, its like emo is the new male standard? Like.. hang your baby balls out a bit, joke with the guys. You may it seem like posting on a forum makes you some engineering giant. No one cares. No one cares about me, my business, you, your business. Its just all shit talking and should be all fun. Call me a fucking idiot, you think I'm going to have a hard time sleeping at night because "240SXdrifter4lyfe" thinks i'm stupid?

Gotta get some thicker skin. And, even if I am better than you.. who cares? You guys get all pissy over nothing.






This times 12. I hate people that take internet seriously. Like... have your friends in real life never joked around with you? If not, then ya'll a buncha little girls.

Also, to the 19 year olds thinking they're the smartest people on the internet. Listen to the people that have been building these cars and doing things to them for a while. You're 19, so let's say you got your car at 16, and been building it for 3 years or whatever. I'm sure the people that are 20+ have been doing it for much longer, and they're trying to prevent you from making the same mistakes they made. I'm stupid, and I don't listen sometimes, and I've learned on my mistakes as well, and wasted hundreds of dollars, when I could have avoided wasting that money by just listening to people that know more about this than I do.

[S14kouki_10]

Whats the matter, dont know how to have fun and fuck around?

Fuck you mike.

[Hoffman5982]

19 yr olds telling adults to grow up lol

Hey kids, it's ok to act ur age. stop frontin like you know everything and maybe u could learn something. just a thought


How am I acting like I know everything? Please dear god quote me so I know what you are referring to.

To the guy who mentioned something about emo, I am far from emo. Nice try on stereotyping. You were my age once, does that mean you used to be emo?

chituntang- If you are referring to me about the brakes, I have rebuilt z32 brakes all around with the proper e-brake setup and the z32 BMC. So I have done it correctly. If you weren't referring to me, then ignore what I just said. Also, once again, please quote me on how Im acting like I know everything because I just don't see it

[Hoffman5982]

I'm talking shit because I dont know you. Thats why the internet is fun. Even if I did know you, i'de still talk shit. Whats the matter, dont know how to have fun and fuck around? Whats with you kids, its like emo is the new male standard? Like.. hang your baby balls out a bit, joke with the guys. You may it seem like posting on a forum makes you some engineering giant. No one cares. No one cares about me, my business, you, your business. Its just all shit talking and should be all fun. Call me a fucking idiot, you think I'm going to have a hard time sleeping at night because "240SXdrifter4lyfe" thinks i'm stupid?

Gotta get some thicker skin. And, even if I am better than you.. who cares? You guys get all pissy over nothing.


This concludes our lesson.

The guy that said its funny that a 19 year old is telling you to grow up is right. It's very funny, and sad. There is a time and a place to be funny, and there is a time and a place to be serious. The OP came in asking a serious question, and he wanted serious answers. This is one of those times to be serious. You can joke around a little if you want, but answer his question for him. You think the internet is nothing but a place to play around, and you're right, a lot of the time it is. But on a forum where people ask questions because they really need help or are very interested in knowing something(you know, the whole point of a forum?) you should come in and respectfully give any help you can instead of coming in with your opinion on the matter. It's very sad that you think it's ok to disrespect someone in such a way as calling them a fucking idiot. This forum, and any other forum for that matter, was not designed for you to come in and call people names for no reason. The fact that I am so much younger than you yet I have more respect disgusts me, and it should disgust you too. Im happy that you are doing so well, but like I've told another member, if you keep treating people the way you do on this forum, eventually customers with stop coming to you. They will go to the guy down the street that does the same quality of work and they might even pay more. So once again, I'm going to have to tell you to grow up. Get serious here. And have more respect for people, whether they are older or younger than you

[soreballz]

^ Jesus Christ, are you still crying? Shut up and grow a pair.
Newsflash kiddo, this is Zilvia. Read my sig.

[ixfxi]

you sound like such a whiney brat


this thread isnt about you. this forum isnt about you. the world itself, is not all about you.


you're on a public car forum talking about an old ass car with complete strangers, what are you looking for? friendship and camaraderie? i am not saying that you cant make friends on the net and through the forums and what not, but dude... lighten up. you're taking every little poke as personal.


watch gran torino


ps: i dont advertise here, i dont advocate my business here, i rarely even mention anything regarding what i do here. and in all honesty, it is in my best interest to avoid even attempting to sell to any 240sx owners.

Yes sir I do believe I have. Charcoal grey (an actual nice paint job), kouki bumper/lip, chuki sides, Stoptech brakes, black TE37's and fender flares. Some kind of coilovers with allen-lock collars. It's been a while.

fucking stalker

i think you have my car confused with someone else

my car was painted at maaco, my friend worked there.. hooked me up with sherman williams single stage grey. got a raceonusa kouki replica bumper/lip, replica sides, stoptech caliper covers, and rota p45RRRRRRRR. im thinking of picking up some new megan coils, maybe tenzo-r...? stance? we'll see.

[markyboi]

I haven't been on zilvia in awhile and i come back to this..

stop feeding the troll



edit: actually, kids were always like this on zilvia

[usdm180sx]

I thought SPL links were at one time sourced from Nagisa

[Hoffman5982]

I don't have self esteem issues, and in no way did my post indicate that I was. Im sorry that was raised to respect people

[omgRWDgoodness!]

http://www.colinfahey.com/funny_images/misc_flame_war_in_progress.jpg

[DALAZ_68]

as for the bickering bingo players up top, if the cars are so shitty, the scene is so shitty, and the site is so shitty, why not fuckin leave? no ones gunna miss ur grumpy asses.



yea...id miss him... :naw:



my car was painted at maaco, my friend worked there.. hooked me up with sherman williams single stage grey. got a raceonusa kouki replica bumper/lip, replica sides, stoptech caliper covers, and rota p45RRRRRRRR. im thinking of picking up some new megan coils, maybe tenzo-r...? stance? we'll see.

i fucken knew it... :hide:

[[email protected]]

Stance links look similar but not the same. But than you look at other links and they all look similar. If anything, Stance uses 3pc aurora bearings which is better quality than the 2pc qa1 bearings that spl uses. Improvement is what counts.

I do not know how anyone could identify PBM, Cusco, JIC rear upper arms as looking the same as our rear upper arms?

Aurora bearings have many grades, the ends you see on the Stance arms are their lowest 3-pc low carbon steel end with a ultimate load rating of just 7,200lbs. They are recommended for "lower stressed or non-critical uses such as sway bar links or shift linkage supports". The 2-pc end we use is a full alloy steel end with a load rating of 17,995lbs.

Item # MM-M16, MM-M & MB-M Series Male Rod Ends - Metric, General Purpose - Precision on Aurora Bearing Company (http://aurora.thomasnet.com/item/all-products-commercial-male-rod-ends-metric-units/ies-male-rod-ends-metric-general-purpose-precision/mm-m16-2?)

Part Number XMR10, XM Rod Ends on QA1 Precision Products, Inc. (http://qa1.thomasnet.com/item/inch-rod-ends/xm-rod-ends/xmr10?&bc=1002|3001275|1051|3001120)

[soreballz]

^ Damn. Kuah's dropping knowledge bombs in here.

[One_love_silvia]

Hey kuah, do you guys have a spacer kit for more steering angle with ur guys' outter tie rods? Was planning on gettin stance's super angle kit, but thinkkin of goin with u guys if u sell a kit and can give the same amt of angle

[C-unit]

^ if you want more angle, just have your knuckles modified. It's alot more eftective than changing your tie rod ends and adding a spacer.

I have the latest version SPL tie rod ends. It doesn't give you more angle because it doesn't come with a spacer.

[One_love_silvia]

Cool thx for the info. Nvm, found out pbm makes them.

[wh0aitznic0]

Lol you think outer tie rods give more angle.

[C-unit]

PBM got a kit.$250 or you can DIY if you know how to.

I wonder if SPL will make some lower control arms..atleast something to fix the rollcenter.

[One_love_silvia]

Lol you think outer tie rods give more angle.
I was speaking of the spacers my friend. I was wondering if they came with a spacer kit like the super angle kit from stance. Sorry for wording it wrong.

[AceInHole]

Heard I got name dropped....


before you say they are crap, most arms break due to heads binding, and also Aceinhole has used his to compete close to, if not nationally auto crossing his car for years with no ill effect.
It should be said that I never daily drove the car on that setup, and the car only gets a few hours worth of run time per year.

Also, the car has been nationally autocrossing for a long time, and already has a ProSolo overall series win.

how does this relate to the question ask? there are many choices, and even cheap shit arms work great if the welds are O.K and the heads are good. Once basic reliability has been reached, you are paying for extra features (angles), customer support, peace of mind (build quality), and brand name loyalty. SO the OP should consider what he values and purchase accordingly.
The ebay arms are crap, no questions asked. If you can afford to do the maintenance, upgrades, and checks on them necessary to keep them going, they work. With that said, I agree that quality components offer their value in piece of mind and longevity. I'd probably get the latest iteration of the SPL arms just because the adjustment looks easier. Fighting the twin lock nut crap gets old.

[nathanong87]

Lol you think outer tie rods give more angle.

they do. barely...but they do.

[Phate]

^ Damn. Kuah's dropping knowledge bombs in here.

Eff yeah. They get my money and support.

[wh0aitznic0]

they do. barely...but they do.

Nooo they don't. They just correct bumpsteer.

[sr23det]

looks like SPL ftmfw! looks like i'm gonna have to buy a complete set if i can find a deal

[One_love_silvia]

looks like SPL ftmfw! looks like i'm gonna have to buy a complete set if i can find a deal

looks like this thread almost turned into an advertisement lol

/*cough* commission *cough*

loljk

im glad this thread is helping people decide tho. some of us people (such as myself) havent had the privilege to see spl arms in person, or any close up pics of the sort, so this is a nice thread to help people decide.

i always knew that spl was top notch, but i never knew the welds would be that good.

[WIKID S4TEEN]

gonna have to buy a complete set if i can find a deal

x2 - I'm in. Group buy? :p

[One_love_silvia]

x2 - I'm in. Group buy? :p

ok now im serious about gettin commission lol

[codyace]

Am I the only one who finds forum people's opinion of 'good welds' sort of ironic? Not saying SPL stuff is junk (as I have some of their arms) but who are armchair forum guys to say what makes a good from bad weld LOL. Especially one that has been powdercoated haha.



Stance links look similar but not the same. But than you look at other links and they all look similar. If anything, Stance uses 3pc aurora bearings which is better quality than the 2pc qa1 bearings that spl uses. Improvement is what counts. That's how Sony does so well, no? They take existing products and improves it?

So 32 way adjustable automatically means best too right? More is always better?

I'm sorry you feel that way.

The problem is, that's all life is about. People who don't know (idiots) and those who do (assholes).

looks like this thread almost turned into an advertisement lol

im glad this thread is helping people decide tho. some of us people (such as myself) havent had the privilege to see spl arms in person, or any close up pics of the sort, so this is a nice thread to help people decide.

i always knew that spl was top notch, but i never knew the welds would be that good.

The thing is, there are 18 million threads about this stuff. Refer to the asshole/idiot stuff from above. Those who know, don't hafta ask.

[nathanong87]

Nooo they don't. They just correct bumpsteer.

they correct bumpsteer as well.

drift tengoku NEVER lies. NEVER. skip to 5:20
YouTube - Drift Tengoku - Part #1 - Steering modifications, Increasing Lock. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KP5zzyAmXi0)

sorry for the tangent dudes.

[WIKID S4TEEN]

ok now im serious about gettin commission lol

Actually, this thread did NOT make my mind up.
I just agree with a "deal on arms".
I've always wanted SPL, just can't afford it, lol.

[RurouniMidnight]

Same video i was thinking of Nate, as soon as you said outer tie rods give you slightly more angle. I prefer the oem styled outters though.

[shinhed]

x2 - I'm in. Group buy? :p

I'm down with this.