building distributed, supercharged, sr20?!?!?!?

[mattro]

well. time for something new.. no pics yet so if thats what your here for come back in a week or so.

ive got a distibuted sr, and im going to be supercharging it for 2 reasons

1) love the rpm range of the sr
2) love instant tq

the parts i will be using for this build are fairly simple,

i will be using a g20 exhaust primary with a custom extension to my current turbo dp.

the tune will be supplied via a reflash of my jwt ecu

the supercharger will be mounted on the intake runners with a custom adapter thus eliminating the need for custom brackets for support, though one may be needed for a tensioner pully.


what do you think?

[Josh]

I think you are setting yourself up for failure.

[AGNT84]

doesnt hurt to try but....might cost you a bit im sure. good luck with the project sounds interesting. keep us posted

[PoorMans180SX]

Do it. Can't be much different from a supercharged KA as far as setup goes. There are quite a few different setups out there.

[mattro]

I think you are setting yourself up for failure.

yea because the sr clearly doesnt like boost.....

doesnt hurt to try but....might cost you a bit im sure. good luck with the project sounds interesting. keep us posted

actually im planning on using most of the parts i had from a previous build, the n/a sr is half the price of the det and a used eaton goes for about 200 bucks, 100 for the retune from jwt, a little elbow grease and we should be in business

[chigga311]

what charger are you using?
What bracket?
Do you have access to a mill to make a bracket?

Your better off buying det stuff and putting it on.
Or just buying a det.

[mattro]

what charger are you using?
What bracket?
Do you have access to a mill to make a bracket?

Your better off buying det stuff and putting it on.
Or just buying a det.

im going to use the eaton m90 from the 3.8 ford.

i already had this motor turbo, and honestly i was sick of everybody and there moms trying to race me when the saw the fmic.

and why would i need a mill to make a bracket? i have hole saws and jig jaws.

im not working on a showpiece here guys, im looking for a hi-reving instant tq tire burner.

also if i wanted advice on how id be better off, id ask uncle sam about the legality of an sr to begin with.:mrmeph:

[chigga311]

Good luck with your HEATon.
Would be interesting to see but efficiency and practicality are obviously not your main objective.

If your concerned about people trying to race you be a big boy and ignore them lol
Or spray your IC black or go air to water.

No need to be a d1ck I was simply adding my $0.02 cents.
In no way did I insult you.

[nissan junky]

whats up matt he going to get it done u will have a sr superchaged and i will have the ka
Whatttt...

[lazysk8er2]

point blank you will not make much power compared to a turbo setup...im interested imn seeing what kind of numbers you are shooting for

[mattro]

whats up matt he going to get it done u will have a sr superchaged and i will have the ka
Whatttt...

paul man we gotta wok on that english of yours, lol

Good luck with your HEATon.
Would be interesting to see but efficiency and practicality are obviously not your main objective.

If your concerned about people trying to race you be a big boy and ignore them lol
Or spray your IC black or go air to water.

No need to be a d1ck I was simply adding my $0.02 cents.
In no way did I insult you.

sorry man, i wasnt trying to be a dick, it just came out that way, ask nissan junky its just how i am, besides, the asshole smily is smiling! lol oh and as for ignoring ppl who want to race? idk if i can do that lol


point blank you will not make much power compared to a turbo setup...im interested imn seeing what kind of numbers you are shooting for

im aiming for 250-300 tops, what im really interested in is the tq cuve.

they sell pullys for up to 14 lbs of boost i think and with some decent headers, cam gears to get the overlap out, maybe not 300 but hey it will b unique as hell.

first pic, freshly painted engine bay,

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq322/97ser/Mobile%20Uploads/0316110856.jpg

[Black R]

You can put laminova air to water cores in your manifold and keep the charge nice and cool - cooler than a turbo intercooled would be...

[nissan junky]

What you talking about willis my shit is good bitch lol...just burn my clear holy shit come take a look at it tomorrow..............

[revcyanide]

..... what?

[chigga311]

No worries!!

I thought you had a g20??
your putting this in a s13?

[Ali 556]

GO !!!,

you can fab a braket to sit the S/C over the exu mani and run inline water to air cooler with remote heat exchanger, the befit is instant power and only 1/2 feet of piping. DON'T-repet-DON'T run air to air IC. too much piping and you will heat sock immidalty.

also AEM water/meth is 395$ shipped and it will help you ALOT by cooling the W-t-a IC and cooling the charged air.

Some dude ran the same setup on N/A 2JZ : pix

http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff400/David2009id/in%20car/js800_sc32_005.jpg
http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff400/David2009id/js800_sc35_009.jpg
http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff400/David2009id/js800_sc35_020.jpg
http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff400/David2009id/js800_sc35_008.jpg
http://i1233.photobucket.com/albums/ff400/David2009id/js800_sc35_012.jpg

let me know if you need any help :) :)

[Mozoby]

What you talking about willis my shit is good bitch lol...just burn my clear holy shit come take a look at it tomorrow..............

lol wat :confused:

besides that this should be really interesting to see.. good luck dude

[slow40sx]

personally, turbo is just the only way to go but if you use a decent sized blower i think it should make some power, a friend of mine built a supercharged KA couple years ago and it had an xterra blower on it and god that thing was dog shit slow, but i have higher hopes for this thing, post pics!!

[chigga311]

Don't forget They sell pulleys for XX lbs of boost but it may not be the same for you.
You need to take the crank/SC Ratio and multiply that by your Max RPM.
I think the Max SC speed is 10-12,000 RPM. 14k on a spike.

[khalimadeath]

roots or twin screw supercharger?

[mattro]

here goes the responses....

black r : trying to keep it simple for the initial build up, maybe once i get it running ill explore more options for more power

nissan junky, paul man we gotta work on your typing grammar. lol for everyone else were having a different convo from earlier in the day, hes a good friend of mine.

chigga331 yes, s13. i also own a g20. and yes i do know about th pullys, on the underside of the s/c it says 32851 Rev l. time to do some research on rev limits.

ali 556, first off, 556? like nato 556? if so awesome. second those pics are awesome.

mozoby/slow40sx thank you, and your friend must have done somthing wrong those tq curves should be out of this world,

kalimadeath, roots, eaton m 90.

pandaroo, yea no thanks there is a garage in japan that tried that. and they said tuning was insane, ill pass


PIC TIME!!!!!

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq322/97ser/Mobile%20Uploads/0412111227.jpg
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq322/97ser/Mobile%20Uploads/0412110953.jpg

this thing is longer than the sr and as heavy as the head, should be interesting.

im going to have to top mount it, despite where im holding it in the picture. im thinking cut the intake runners and put some upward facing 90 deg elbows, weld them up with a plate and rock on.

[pandaroo]

if you get this done and get bored later, stage two could be adding a turbo and twincharging this bitch lol. props for trying somthing different.

[kalypso123]

Id like to see this happen,

definitely possible.

[dreamin240sx]

its already been done ive seen a supercharged sr it ran ok but nothing compared to its natural habits. TURBO lol but good luck

[towlie]

This is going to be interesting

[Wookie384]

well. time for something new.. no pics yet so if thats what your here for come back in a week or so.

ive got a distibuted sr, and im going to be supercharging it for 2 reasons

1) love the rpm range of the sr
2) love instant tq

the parts i will be using for this build are fairly simple,

i will be using a g20 exhaust primary with a custom extension to my current turbo dp.

the tune will be supplied via a reflash of my jwt ecu

the supercharger will be mounted on the intake runners with a custom adapter thus eliminating the need for custom brackets for support, though one may be needed for a tensioner pully.


what do you think?

Why does your motor have a distributor? Was it at some point an N/A? You're better off with the Cam Angle Sensor and coilpacks. I plan on eventually upgrading my NA SR20DE to CAS/coilpacks.

Also there are NA SR20DE's out there, you could do some searching and try to find an NA SR20DE primary, and find a KA24DE lower section although you will have to modify the lower section to connect to the cat/testpipe/exhaust. I also heard you could use any aftermarket exhaust for a KA24DE, chop off the flange where it bolts up to the head and weld in a flange for an SR20, but I can't confirm this yet.

[smelly240]

the NA sr20s with the distributor let you use a KA ecu and harness... its the "old school" way.

[codyace]

Have you done any researchas to blower speeds and efficiency or anything? To me you're starting with the wrong blower. I'm not against someone trying to put a SC on the SR, dont' read my that way...I just don't see it working well

Why does your motor have a distributor? Was it at some point an N/A? You're better off with the Cam Angle Sensor and coilpacks. I plan on eventually upgrading my NA SR20DE to CAS/coilpacks.


I'd be curious as to why you think that?

[h2v7]

supercharged hells yea

[ixfxi]

i already had this motor turbo, and honestly i was sick of everybody and there moms trying to race me when the saw the fmic.
and why would i need a mill to make a bracket? i have hole saws and jig jaws.

something tells me this project will fail

[upstate240sx]

Why does your motor have a distributor? Was it at some point an N/A? You're better off with the Cam Angle Sensor and coilpacks. I plan on eventually upgrading my NA SR20DE to CAS/coilpacks.



They are on to you matt.

As far as the Distributed VS Distributeless Debate.
I think converting to the CAS and coilpack setup would be a waste.
Hear me out on this one.

There is no arguing that a distributeless ignition far outperforms its distributed counterpart, allow me to say that so I dont sound totally crazy.
However the distributed SR20 ignition is designed very well, the success of this design has been proven in the SR20 FWD world. The distributed setup is powerful enough to support turbo/supercharged/NOS setups, this has been proven time and time again in the FWD world. Further more when Nissan choose to delve into the WRC realm with the Pulsar GTI-R (the success of which I wont divulge) , they chose to use a SR20 distributed setup. Not to mention, but if i had to make an educated guess I'd say there are more sr20s that are distributed than distributeless if you consider any FWD sr20 is distributed, any AWD sr20 is distributed (not sure about the Nissan SR20vet X-Trail) and some RWD sr20 are distributed, such as matt's.

You would see very little if any gains by converting to distributeless.
You would have to source:
A SR20DET Ecu
A SR20DET engine bay harness (which you can choose to pain stakingly wire in yourself or send off to be wired in to the body harness for you.
A SR20DET CAS
SR20DET Coil Packs
(Am i missing anything?)

If any of the above parts break, your looking at paying a premium because they are JDM.


As far as the supercharged project goes.

Would be awesome when its done, I dont see it as being very practical though. I'd imagine you can get more power out of a t25 / t28 , still very responsive spool up time. Cheaper and easier because everyone and their brother is selling oem and aftermarket parts for small turbo setups, and as far as an intercooler goes, paint it black, use a water to air, or use the oem side mount lol.

Just my 2 cents. Either way good luck.

[Wookie384]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wookie384
Why does your motor have a distributor? Was it at some point an N/A? You're better off with the Cam Angle Sensor and coilpacks. I plan on eventually upgrading my NA SR20DE to CAS/coilpacks.
I'd be curious as to why you think that?


I'd be curious as to why you think that?

As far as I know coil packs are advantageous to the fact the the individual coils, in theory, provide a more efficient spark (four coils opposed to one), and adjustability (timing control via ecu?).

[upstate240sx]

As far as I know coil packs are advantageous to the fact the the individual coils, in theory, provide a more efficient spark (four coils opposed to one), and adjustability (timing control via ecu?).


Coil packs are definately more efficient then a single coil, no doubt about it. This reason this is that when one coil is responsible for 4 , 6 or ever 8 cylinders it has to quickly discharge to keep firing for cylinder after cylinder after cylinder. While on a setup where coil packs are employed, the coil gets to fire, then wait (while charging) while other coil packs manage other cylinders. My arguement is that the sr20 distributed setup is really really really good, so good that you wouldnt see much of a gain (or at least a gain that is worth the hassle) when converting to Coilpacks.

As far as ecu adjustments to timing id imagine they both have the same capability. The distrutor (which contains a CAS) and a stand alone cas both simply set base timing. You ecu timing map makes adjustments to this based on feedback from the knock sensor , load (tps), rpm among other things.

[Wookie384]

They are on to you matt.

As far as the Distributed VS Distributeless Debate.
I think converting to the CAS and coilpack setup would be a waste.
Hear me out on this one.

There is no arguing that a distributeless ignition far outperforms its distributed counterpart, allow me to say that so I dont sound totally crazy.
However the distributed SR20 ignition is designed very well, the success of this design has been proven in the SR20 FWD world. The distributed setup is powerful enough to support turbo/supercharged/NOS setups, this has been proven time and time again in the FWD world. Further more when Nissan choose to delve into the WRC realm with the Pulsar GTI-R (the success of which I wont divulge) , they chose to use a SR20 distributed setup. Not to mention, but if i had to make an educated guess I'd say there are more sr20s that are distributed than distributeless if you consider any FWD sr20 is distributed, any AWD sr20 is distributed (not sure about the Nissan SR20vet X-Trail) and some RWD sr20 are distributed, such as matt's.

You would see very little if any gains by converting to distributeless.
You would have to source:
A SR20DET Ecu
A SR20DET engine bay harness (which you can choose to pain stakingly wire in yourself or send off to be wired in to the body harness for you.
A SR20DET CAS
SR20DET Coil Packs
(Am i missing anything?)

If any of the above parts break, your looking at paying a premium because they are JDM.


As far as the supercharged project goes.

Would be awesome when its done, I dont see it as being very practical though. I'd imagine you can get more power out of a t25 / t28 , still very responsive spool up time. Cheaper and easier because everyone and their brother is selling oem and aftermarket parts for small turbo setups, and as far as an intercooler goes, paint it black, use a water to air, or use the oem side mount lol.

Just my 2 cents. Either way good luck.

While you make a good point on distributors being very well designed on SR20DE's you forgot the biggest con to having a distributed SR, which is no one in the US carried parts for a RWD SR20DE distributor, they are different to all FWD SR20DE's. My swap came with a broken distributor cap, rotor and wires. Although I did find a US counterpart for the rotor, I did not find a direct replacement for the cap (I'm hoping the KA24DE cap works), and with the wires I got lucky and bought them from a friend who had some spare wires lying around off his NA swap.

Also wiring up an SR20DET harness is fairly simple. I wonder if there is anybody out there who went from a distributor to CAS/Coil packs on this set up, I would really like to pick their brain on this topic now.

[mattro]

Would be awesome when its done, I dont see it as being very practical though. I'd imagine you can get more power out of a t25 / t28 , still very responsive spool up time. Cheaper and easier because everyone and their brother is selling oem and aftermarket parts for small turbo setups, and as far as an intercooler goes, paint it black, use a water to air, or use the oem side mount lol.

Just my 2 cents. Either way good luck.

both valid points, and yes the small turbo kits are readily available, but i still think the s/c will prove to b slightly cheaper in the long run, s/c's are more reliable, and are also readily available.

just for the sake of math i will run down a basic turbo build and a basic s/c build price list. and start the builds at the same point in price, and for comparison it will be from a n/a engine, such as a sentra ser.

turbo: total s/c: total
turbo t25/28 $5-600 500 supercharger $3-500 500
inj 200 700 inj 200 700
fmic 200 900 fmic n/a------------
oil lines fittings etc 200 1100 " etc 200 900
engine man 300 1400 engine man 300 1200
bov 200 1700 bov n/a -------------------


just from the basics req'd for a turbo build, have already put a 500 jump on the s/c build. keep in mind i paid 150 for my s/c not 500. and this isnt even including all you would need for a complete running build.


im not sure if i said this before but i am not building this for power. im looking for 250/300hp AT THE MOST. i am building this for response, not power. i also wanted something unique, and different. i also wanted to do this because i think it would be fun, and if nothing else to learn.

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq322/97ser/Mobile%20Uploads/0413111939.jpg

getting some mock ups and measurements. like our exact to scale s/c? lol

[chigga311]

As far as better spark...
IMO its best to use whatever you have.
If you are blowing out spark then get a CDI.
But if you are not blowing out spark, the tiny gains you will see by better spark is no where near worth the effort, time or $$.

It's hard to see how your unbeaten path will be cheaper.
Not included is all of the custom fab work to get that supercharger mounted.
Also you could hit your power goal with a S14 or S15 stock turbo, only the S15 turbo new will cost you $600.
For the $1700 you might as well just buy a DET.

Your limiting factor is your IAT's since your running no IC of any kind.
Have you thought about running Water or meth injection?
That should help you out some.

I'm not knocking you, I think its cool your going a different route.

What engine managment are you using? Nistune?

[MidwestMyriad]

something tells me this project will fail

I hope you finish! This guy just needs to feel better by finding every new thread on here and shit talking in it, hopefully he won't come back, he can't seem to learn that if he doesn't like a thread to stay out of it. Anyways

Not sure if this was covered, but what's the weight on the supercharger/engine combo, also, with the addition of a pulley, will you deleting a/c, and will you be running a clutch or electric fan? Interesting project, have you looked into the Knight supercharger? I know it's for KA, but could help with design ideas.

[redline racer510]

I would like to see how this turns out how bout a ve head swap,lol. Just an idea

[mattro]

chigga: i have thought about water/meth inj, i need to do some more research im not to fermiliar with that, i will be useing a greddy e manage ultimate that i had from a previous build i have also been trying to figure a way to use an i/c setup of some kind, possably a top mount or v mount setup to keep piping to a minimum

midwest: the s/c weighs more than the turbo, but the intrake runners are shortened quite a bit, overall i think the s/c may be 10 lbs hevier. the sr that i have didnt have a/c or p/s to begin with. lol i will be running my electric fans with my megan 3core rad

redline: ive thought the exact same thing but according to some "swap experts" the vvl headwont work on the n/a rwd sr because the piston/valve clearance is not enough, i need to do some research on that but the possable power gains are instantly negated by the cost and work req'd for that swap.

[upstate240sx]

While you make a good point on distributors being very well designed on SR20DE's you forgot the biggest con to having a distributed SR, which is no one in the US carried parts for a RWD SR20DE distributor, they are different to all FWD SR20DE's. My swap came with a broken distributor cap, rotor and wires. Although I did find a US counterpart for the rotor, I did not find a direct replacement for the cap (I'm hoping the KA24DE cap works), and with the wires I got lucky and bought them from a friend who had some spare wires lying around off his NA swap.

Also wiring up an SR20DET harness is fairly simple. I wonder if there is anybody out there who went from a distributor to CAS/Coil packs on this set up, I would really like to pick their brain on this topic now.

This is true, the distributor parts are hard to find, i sold matt the sr20de rwd he is using, when i got the motor it didnt have a manifold or distributor parts, im pretty sure i used the parts from my s13 ka24de. im also tried p10 parts but that didnt work i believe (couple years ago) b13 parts might work though, because the cap is setup for external coil.

[upstate240sx]

something tells me this project will fail

Kill yourself.


As far as better spark...
IMO its best to use whatever you have.
If you are blowing out spark then get a CDI.
But if you are not blowing out spark, the tiny gains you will see by better spark is no where near worth the effort, time or $$.

It's hard to see how your unbeaten path will be cheaper.
Not included is all of the custom fab work to get that supercharger mounted.
Also you could hit your power goal with a S14 or S15 stock turbo, only the S15 turbo new will cost you $600.
For the $1700 you might as well just buy a DET.

Your limiting factor is your IAT's since your running no IC of any kind.
Have you thought about running Water or meth injection?
That should help you out some.

I'm not knocking you, I think its cool your going a different route.

What engine managment are you using? Nistune?


I will give you props for this being cool and unique, costs are something that are hard to argue, just because some guy can get a brand spankin new m60 from his dead uncle doesnt mean superchargers are free for everyone. I will also say that I can see your reasoning by saying superchargers are more reliable. However when your using Nissan oem Garret of the shelf parts, its hard to beat reliability especially considering your fabbing up alot of custom stuff to use the supercharger.

I say we do an ls1 swap with a 200 shot wet kit tomorrow.

[s13 @ fullboost]

This will be sick if it works out

[DenkiMan!]

do it big and just twin charge it

4SjNgVH_HN0

[upstate240sx]

do it big and just twin charge it


To remain consistant with popular belief, matt has not, does not , nor will he ever know anything even remotely pertaining to "Doing it big".

He is the little engine that could. LOL

[codyace]

As far as I know coil packs are advantageous to the fact the the individual coils, in theory, provide a more efficient spark (four coils opposed to one), and adjustability (timing control via ecu?).

In theory yes. You forgot one thing: SR coil packs suck. So while my answer was a bit sarcastic, the point remains the same...'upgrading' to sr20 coilpack setup is really a downgrade compared to the dizzy based setups and an aftermarket coil.


both valid points, and yes the small turbo kits are readily available, but i still think the s/c will prove to b slightly cheaper in the long run, s/c's are more reliable, and are also readily available.

How is a SC mroe reliable than a turbo? Both (if setup properly) last the same time, and have equal amounts of pros and cons.


im not sure if i said this before but i am not building this for power. im looking for 250/300hp AT THE MOST. i am building this for response, not power. i also wanted something unique, and different. i also wanted to do this because i think it would be fun, and if nothing else to learn.

The thing I question though is if the 'response' is worthwhile to give up the HP or vice versa. You are intercooling it correct? I'd be hardpressed to fin da 250 whp S/C setup that would out do a basic t28 build, even in average power.


I hope you finish! This guy just needs to feel better by finding every new thread on here and shit talking in it, hopefully he won't come back, he can't seem to learn that if he doesn't like a thread to stay out of it. Anyways

Problem is, Mike's been around before you had 240, and has been part of some of the better builds around here. Just because he's a bit 'rough' doesn't mean that his opinion is invalid. This isn't highschool where everyone need sa nice opinion, it's Zilvia.

This is true, the distributor parts are hard to find, i sold matt the sr20de rwd he is using, when i got the motor it didnt have a manifold or distributor parts, im pretty sure i used the parts from my s13 ka24de. im also tried p10 parts but that didnt work i believe (couple years ago) b13 parts might work though, because the cap is setup for external coil.

B13 parts are the key.


I say we do an ls1 swap with a 200 shot wet kit tomorrow.

Should be fine. I've got a good buddy with a firebird that lasted 3 years on a 200 hit, never missed a beat until it burnt a valve with more spray. Car went mid 10's for pennies. 10 bolt lasted a while too, thank god for that automatic.

[mattro]

To remain consistant with popular belief, matt has not, does not , nor will he ever know anything even remotely pertaining to "Doing it big".

He is the little engine that could. LOL

lol id like to refer you back to that garrett t67 i bought for the sr lol

that was doin it big

if you got the parts lets do it lol

[upstate240sx]

lol id like to refer you back to that garrett t67 i bought for the sr lol

that was doin it big

if you got the parts lets do it lol

Just curious, did you ever run with that turbo? Or was it just an impulse buy turned to craigslist center piece. lol

[upstate240sx]

I'll tell you what matt, i will make u a deal.

I will trade you my OEM Nissan Garret s14 turbo setup. No shaft play great shape.

For

Your t67 and Uncles borrowed Mopar Cutlass SRT-1945 Cold war Supercharger

We can accomplish three things, saving you a headache, leaving the big turbos to the big kids (myself) and closing this thread. LOL

See you in the battle dome.

[mattro]

Just curious, did you ever run with that turbo? Or was it just an impulse buy turned to craigslist center piece. lol

YouTube - sr20, 240sx t67 idle. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7_9l1cnQyY)

it ran but before i could get it tuned, it tossed a rocker and thats where we stand and its a grand prix gtp charger btw

battle dome? psh, see you at thunder dome beotch

[ixfxi]

I hope you finish! This guy just needs to feel better by finding every new thread on here and shit talking in it, hopefully he won't come back, he can't seem to learn that if he doesn't like a thread to stay out of it. Anyways

i have doubts because of the original posters posts...

guy has no access to machining equipment and is using a fucking wood cutout for a mockup of a supercharger - no fucking way this will ever work

there are a lot of shops that have more skills than you, and still they continually fail and fuck over customers. for the sake of simplicity, i will leave the names of many of these shops out of this discussion. thats not the point, your lack of skills, tools, and knowledge of fabrication lead me to believe that this project will never leave off the ground. and, if it does.. it will be just like all the projects i've seen at meets that are slapped together and barely work, until you damage internals or shit falls apart. plus you're 22.. my hunch says you need more experience.

good luck though, i'm here to publicly apologize in case you prove me wrong. just remember, in order for this to be of value.. it better be something reliable enough to SELL. not some make-shift mockup that works when the stars and the moon are aligned. if you build something, build something worth-while.

[mikerbike]

I also heard you could use any aftermarket exhaust for a KA24DE, chop off the flange where it bolts up to the head and weld in a flange for an SR20, but I can't confirm this yet.
Yes, this will work.
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/358251-matts13verts-socal-dream-super-stock-ka-t-setup-sr-exhaust-manifold-used.html


A SR20DET engine bay harness (which you can choose to pain stakingly wire in yourself or send off to be wired in to the body harness for you.
Is that a joke?
SR20DET Swap Engine Harness Wiring Diagram Guide SR SR20 (http://www.frsport.com/SR20DET-Swap-Engine-Harness-Wiring-Diagram-Guide-SR-SR20_t_26.html)
And idiot could do that.^:duh:

[upstate240sx]

Yes, this will work.
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/358251-matts13verts-socal-dream-super-stock-ka-t-setup-sr-exhaust-manifold-used.html


Is that a joke?
SR20DET Swap Engine Harness Wiring Diagram Guide SR SR20 (http://www.frsport.com/SR20DET-Swap-Engine-Harness-Wiring-Diagram-Guide-SR-SR20_t_26.html)
And idiot could do that.^:duh:

Lol yea the conversion is easy, but the n/a sr20 is plug and play with the ka harness, i think maybe , just maybe the tps is different. Cant remember

[mattro]

i have doubts because of the original posters posts...

guy has no access to machining equipment and is using a fucking wood cutout for a mockup of a supercharger - no fucking way this will ever work



its actually cardboard and it was used to just give an idea of where i was planning on mounting the s/c for all you folks at home.

also i wasnt offended by what you said so no need to apologize, i agree with you on the fucked up projects and i accept this challange, but this aint my first ro day oh.
also i like to get shit right before i display it in public,hence why i have been working on different setups and ideas for 2 years on just this car.


aside from all that, i finished putting the lower and upper ends of the engine together tonight, tomorrow the clutch and tranny will go in and then the engine back into the car no pics tonight, sorry



Also there are NA SR20DE's out there, you could do some searching and try to find an NA SR20DE primary, and find a KA24DE lower section although you will have to modify the lower section to connect to the cat/testpipe/exhaust. I also heard you could use any aftermarket exhaust for a KA24DE, chop off the flange where it bolts up to the head and weld in a flange for an SR20, but I can't confirm this yet.


im going to use my primary from a g20 that i scrapped. that way its n/a and there is no cutting and welding.

[codyace]

does zilvia have PM's?

[dreamin240sx]

this is seriously going no where. i need to see more

[Wookie384]

im going to use my primary from a g20 that i scrapped. that way its n/a and there is no cutting and welding.

OEM primary off a G20? If I'm not mistaken it points directly downwards, the RWD NA SR20DE primary points down towards the firewall, (pretty much looks exactly like a KA24DE one but fits the SR obviously.) Took me a while to find mine.

[upstate240sx]

OEM primary off a G20? If I'm not mistaken it points directly downwards, the RWD NA SR20DE primary points down towards the firewall, (pretty much looks exactly like a KA24DE one but fits the SR obviously.) Took me a while to find mine.

x2 pretty sure a g20 primary wont plug and play. I tried that when i was in your boat.

[mattro]

x2 pretty sure a g20 primary wont plug and play. I tried that when i was in your boat.

yes your both right, i did a trial fitment and it does not fit properly, no biggie. ill just mock up a custom stainless header, and have my buddy weld it up.

i went to the junk yard and found the pullys i need to get the belts ran over to the charger, here is how it will go together.....

because the eaton m90 is so long im building a stacked pully, one with a 4 rib belt for the crank and one with a 6 for the charger, this will move the charger away from the firewall allowing more room for the air intake,the belt setup will look something like this, yes my oil pan is yellow. and before i see " the belt will hit the water inlet" or som other stupid shiiit, remember your looking at a 2d photo of a 3d object.

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq322/97ser/sr20pullys.jpg

[mattro]

this is seriously going no where. i need to see more

you need to be patient, this isnt a pro build i dont have much funding.

[Spring Break '92]

+1 for the underdog. 10 years ago if someone mentioned swapping in a GM LS1 people would have called blasphemy. If you can cover the logistics and make it work, its not a fail. Whatever makes you happy.

[nissan junky]

I like the pic and schematic u made.I can see your dream..Oh i will check for that pulley,the four banger..

[Shift n Drift]

thats gangster

[mattro]

ok guys sorry for the absence ive been workin on other crap at the moment here are some update pics. i went to the junkyark\d and the pullys and idlers from a gtp will work perfectly for what i need. i put on my +50 widebody this weekend here she is

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq322/97ser/Mobile%20Uploads/0519111758.jpg

[upstate240sx]

hey matt do u still have that g20 non lsd tranny and axles?

[ryanhelton2000]

let me know if you need any na parts; harness, reflashed ecu, wires and dizzy, lots of stuff i dont want to take with me when i move

[mattro]

hey matt do u still have that g20 non lsd tranny and axles?

yea dave i do, u still want them?

[mattro]

yey update time! so i got the first rough piece of the pully system mocked up, im debating weather or not to top mount the charger and have it stick through the hood what do you guys think? pics!!

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq322/97ser/Mobile%20Uploads/0602112009.jpg
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq322/97ser/Mobile%20Uploads/0602112008a.jpg
http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq322/97ser/Mobile%20Uploads/0602112008.jpg

[codyace]

how are you going to tension it/get enough belt wrap?

[mattro]

how are you going to tension it/get enough belt wrap?

you will see ;)

im kindof tired of alu being polished or painted all the time, im thinking of machine turning the flat surfaces before final assembly and welding of the intake manifold

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq322/97ser/turnedmetal.jpg

[David B S12]

to tension the belt you can also loosen the intake manifold and angled it downward, then tighten the bolts with the right sized belt to "raise" everything up

[codyace]

you will see ;)

im kindof tired of alu being polished or painted all the time, im thinking of machine turning the flat surfaces before final assembly and welding of the intake manifold

http://i460.photobucket.com/albums/qq322/97ser/turnedmetal.jpg

so how are you doing it?

one off is cool
replicable is best

[s14unimog]

I guess I understand why people tend to go towards an Eaton roots type unit (cost) but man surely the expense of getting this thing to fit, not to mention the annoyance of routing/assembling the after cooler, can't be that far off a new centrifugal unit?

Why not a Rotrex unit? I've got a couple C30's on the shelf...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/s14unimog/Work%20Related/DSC00526.jpg

I've really thought about doing this to my SR... Would be different, but I wonder how it would be.

[blitz_86]

Seems Saucy I like it ;)

[codyace]

Why not a Rotrex unit? I've got a couple C30's on the shelf...


I've really thought about doing this to my SR... Would be different, but I wonder how it would be.

Certainly an interesting option. Much better low end than Vortech stuff, however whats the cost for a headunit?

[toplevel]

yey update time! so i got the first rough piece of the pully system mocked up, im debating weather or not to top mount the charger and have it stick through the hood what do you guys think? pics!!

Earlier you were complaining about peoples' reaction to your FMIC. Wouldn't this have a similar effect?

[dudermagee]

Certainly an interesting option. Much better low end than Vortech stuff, however whats the cost for a headunit?

Rotrex Head Units (http://www.shop.kraftwerksusa.com/Rotrex-Head-Units_c10.htm;jsessionid=2C6332522B157A9991B4F4570 6B80BFF.qscstrfrnt04)

[s14unimog]

Certainly an interesting option. Much better low end than Vortech stuff, however whats the cost for a headunit?

Rotrex Head Units (http://www.shop.kraftwerksusa.com/Rotrex-Head-Units_c10.htm;jsessionid=2C6332522B157A9991B4F4570 6B80BFF.qscstrfrnt04)

^yeah that's retail, so they're not exactly cheap. I am however an OEM, for non-automotive application, so I get them MUCH cheaper. If anyone is interested, shoot me a PM.

[mattro]

Earlier you were complaining about peoples' reaction to your FMIC. Wouldn't this have a similar effect?

Possably. Most people would never guess that there is a charger on a 240. Also the amount that I plan on removing the hood to let it through would be minimal.

[mattro]

so how are you doing it?

one off is cool
replicable is best

Apperantly there are a couple ways of doing this finish. One way and the easyiest is taking a dowel and lapping compound putting the plate into a drill press and im sure the rest is self explanatory

[codyace]

Apperantly there are a couple ways of doing this finish. One way and the easyiest is taking a dowel and lapping compound putting the plate into a drill press and im sure the rest is self explanatory

Well, at least you have the time ;)

So lets see the tensioner setup!

[mattro]

Well, at least you have the time ;)

So lets see the tensioner setup!

Lol patience my friend, im moving this month so there will be a slight hiatus from the project. Im currently waiting on my dad to machine a part for me.

[upstate240sx]

Lol patience my friend, im moving this month so there will be a slight hiatus from the project. Im currently waiting on my dad to machine a part for me.


where are you moving to, cause right now your living in your dreams:rofl:

[mattro]

Your funny dave. As I recall we've moved about the same amount of times since we've met and you keep getting farther into the hood and now im out. That's all im saying.

[upstate240sx]

Your funny dave. As I recall we've moved about the same amount of times since we've met and you keep getting farther into the hood and now im out. That's all im saying.

lol i live out in greece , dont u have to fight off the crackheads from family dollar over there lol. any how pm me your number.

[DenkiMan!]

^^^ hahahaha