Harness Bar is it really worth it?

[CBAL]

This is why we don't use harness bars - Honda-Tech (http://honda-tech.com/showthread.php?t=2896572)
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[badicalradical]

Id like to see how bad the car is

[ROOSEY]

buy a cage dont cheap out on a harness bar theyre sketchy.

[Martino]

I lol when I see people running those.

[lflkajfj12123]

roll cage for looks is fine on the streets but i would NEVER install a harness for a street car let alone use a harness bar

this is what happens!

[slow40sx]

yeah, I welded in 8th inch base plates and bolted my cusco to the plates and got an NRG 4 point harness bar and every time i drive around i'm so nervous the car could just burst into flames any second :cj:

[hOngsterr]

theres a member that uses the DC sport strutbar ias a harness bar.

http://projectautox.com/drift_build/209_1027/back_seat_installed_rear.jpg

[Perfect Balance]

They're doing it wrong. If you are using harnesses, but not running a cage on a Honda Civic/Integra/RSX, the proper way to do it is run a harness bar, but don't attach the harnesses to it. Simply run the harnesses over the bar so that the angle at which it enters the seat is correct (no spinal compression if the seat breaks), but attach them to the rear seat belt buckle mounting locations, since they're reinforced.

[gearhead55]

They're doing it wrong. If you are using harnesses, but not running a cage on a Honda Civic/Integra/RSX, the proper way to do it is run a harness bar, but don't attach the harnesses to it. Simply run the harnesses over the bar so that the angle at which it enters the seat is correct (no spinal compression if the seat breaks), but attach them to the rear seat belt buckle mounting locations, since they're reinforced.

ahhhhh that makes a lot of sense...

[JuMPiiN]

Crappy reclinable seats don't help either.

[slow40sx]

If you don't have a fixed bucket and you don't track your car you shouldn't have harnesses anyway

[ixfxi]

i always wanted to be folded in half, jason vorhees style

[SlideWell]

looks like a shitty harness bar. i dont understand why there are joints atthe b-pillar. a harness bar needs to be one bar across, bolted or welded to the factory seatbelt hole location. i had a harness bar in my s14 Kouki custom made by Position 1 Motorsports. i hit a jersey barrier doing 80. you know what happened to the bar, NOTHING. i lived, stayed in the car, and sold the harness bar for $250 to a friend.

[Brian]

I always thought harness bars were one of the worst looking mods done to cars. They just look terrible.

[NatAsRex7]

it somewhat helps stiffens the car -__-

[Irresistible]

I just find it funny when people street their cars and replace the stock seat belts completely with harnesses... If I were to get a harness, it'll be when I get a rollcage, and I'll keep my stock seat belts for when I drive on the street. It's much safer that way.

[codyace]

I just find it funny when people street their cars and replace the stock seat belts completely with harnesses... If I were to get a harness, it'll be when I get a rollcage, and I'll keep my stock seat belts for when I drive on the street. It's much safer that way.

That's what I do. Granted I put 6000ish miles on the car a year and that's it, but I always wear the stock seatbelts on the street.

In fact, I've since taken the bucket out for street driving, and just simply swap the GTR one into it when not going to a track event.

[tims05]

Think theres more to that story then whats in the picture. If both people were wearing the harnesses there would be no way to bend a bar like that in the middle and bend it that much. Side impact maybe or if someone was in the back seat or if it was made outta exhuast tubing lol

[lame_s13]

Legitimate question; My stock 13 seat broke yesterday, and my plan was to buy a fixed back bucket, keep my stock belts for daily and pick up a harness and bar to use on track days, but I don't really know much about harness bars. After seeing this, are they just bad news? I don't really want to daily a car with a cage but is that my only safe option to run a harness?

[codyace]

Think theres more to that story then whats in the picture. If both people were wearing the harnesses there would be no way to bend a bar like that in the middle and bend it that much. Side impact maybe or if someone was in the back seat or if it was made outta exhuast tubing lol

Or the fact that they are shit, made out of garbage material, and really only for those guys who want to hardpark at the local Wegmans on Friday night.

Legitimate question; My stock 13 seat broke yesterday, and my plan was to buy a fixed back bucket, keep my stock belts for daily and pick up a harness and bar to use on track days, but I don't really know much about harness bars. After seeing this, are they just bad news? I don't really want to daily a car with a cage but is that my only safe option to run a harness?

If you 'require' a harness, get a rollbar. If you can't live with a rollbar, then you don't need a harness.

[Freddy]

guarantee you this person didnt wrap his harness properly.

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[codyace]

Doesn't matter if it was wrapped incorrectly, or correctly, the bars are still shit.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

werd. if you don't wrap your belts correctly, they come off. they don't bend your bar in half.


anywho, an autopower roll bar is like, $300? what's a harness bar cost? $150? just suck up the cost.

[Pure_JDM]

Doesn't matter if it was wrapped incorrectly, or correctly, the bars are still shit.

Agreed... it was due to the harness bar being weak and used in correctly. The harnesses shouldn't be wrapped around that bar period. They should drop to the floor or another STRONG mounting point in the back. The whole point of that bar (already stated) is to correct the angle, NOT to mount the harnesses directly to it.

[codyace]

werd. if you don't wrap your belts correctly, they come off. they don't bend your bar in half.


anywho, an autopower roll bar is like, $300? what's a harness bar cost? $150? just suck up the cost.

I think they are 400-450 shipped...and on top of that they are legal, and fit well. Can't ask for much more. I've had one now for quite some time...works great, fit well.

[Freddy]

I do agree on the harness bar part but wouldn't the lap belts kept him in ?

[codyace]

I do agree on the harness bar part but wouldn't the lap belts kept him in ?

On a 4 point, you slide right under neath them most of the time (submarining). A 5 point will help keep that from happening as it has that 5th lower connection between your legs. However the bar would have still collapsed, and they would have bene injured.

[MidwestMyriad]

Not justifying that bar in any sense, BUT it is some Ebay cheapo one....the real Sparco one has solid welds for the mounts, not pivots. Looks bad either way, but probably a lesser quality tubing used, and poor execution in design. Cage is the only way. Why be cheap, it's your life.

[ericcastro]

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Now I gotta go double check the wraps on my harness when i have a minute.

Think theres more to that story then whats in the picture

I agree.
Like how fast where they going and what did they hit?
(honda, street racing, was my first thought, and so at 80 plus mph, that not to bad, lol)

I wanna know why the passenger was ejected? Those 4/5 points arnt gonna do you a lot of good if they are worn slacked. And when your body slams against the harnesses that were slacked, its gonna pull on the seats, mounting points, and harness bar a lot harder then if everything was snugged and your body wasnt allowed to go into motion.

[codyace]

Not justifying that bar in any sense, BUT it is some Ebay cheapo one....the real Sparco one has solid welds for the mounts, not pivots. Looks bad either way, but probably a lesser quality tubing used, and poor execution in design. Cage is the only way. Why be cheap, it's your life.


I don't htink it would have mattered what brand it was, pivot or no pivot Even if they are welded solid, a quality bolt won't shear like that either.


Now I gotta go double check the wraps on my harness when i have a minute.

THat's a very good video...you'd be surprised how many people at track days have their stuff wrapped wrong...it's just crazy. They also have a nice guide on their website as well that we hand out.




I wanna know why the passenger was ejected? Those 4/5 points arnt gonna do you a lot of good if they are worn slacked. And when your body slams against the harnesses that were slacked, its gonna pull on the seats, mounting points, and harness bar a lot harder then if everything was snugged and your body wasnt allowed to go into motion.

While there has got to bemore, in the same respect, a violent crash on track wouldn't be any worse (figure speeds are usually 100+ mph too)...I think harness bar, plus lack of improper securing into the car didn't help either. I mean who honestly is going to strap in 10/10th's when street driving? Probably nobody. I know that even I couldn't stand wearing a harness properly on street, as you can't see 100% like you need too on the street.

[ixfxi]

Legitimate question; My stock 13 seat broke yesterday, and my plan was to buy a fixed back bucket, keep my stock belts for daily and pick up a harness and bar to use on track days, but I don't really know much about harness bars. After seeing this, are they just bad news? I don't really want to daily a car with a cage but is that my only safe option to run a harness?

Or the fact that they are shit, made out of garbage material, and really only for those guys who want to hardpark at the local Wegmans on Friday night.

If you 'require' a harness, get a rollbar. If you can't live with a rollbar, then you don't need a harness.

i agree. rollbar or stock, thats what is advised for street cars.


werd. if you don't wrap your belts correctly, they come off. they don't bend your bar in half.
anywho, an autopower roll bar is like, $300? what's a harness bar cost? $150? just suck up the cost.

autopowers are much more expensive. i bought mine 10 years ago for that much, wholesale. maybe a bit more since it had removable cross brace & harness bar. i bought one for a buddy a couple years ago and it was closer to 500 or so. i like them. hardcore guys who are all hard for cusco will say "oh its not a good fitting bar" or "the bolt in plates are bullshit" but i dont have a problem with autopower. good stuff and well made. very heavy but very worth it.


I think they are 400-450 shipped...and on top of that they are legal, and fit well. Can't ask for much more. I've had one now for quite some time...works great, fit well.

what are you, my twin brother? we keep having the same answers. BROTHER!!!!!!!


On a 4 point, you slide right under neath them most of the time (submarining). A 5 point will help keep that from happening as it has that 5th lower connection between your legs. However the bar would have still collapsed, and they would have bene injured.

i run schroth 4-pt ASM... anti sub marining. ran them with my r32 seats and now with r34 seats. great harnesses, dot compliant.

[codyace]

i like them. hardcore guys who are all hard for cusco will say "oh its not a good fitting bar" or "the bolt in plates are bullshit" but i dont have a problem with autopower. good stuff and well made. very heavy but very worth it.

Most certainly. It seems like only on the 240 forums people bash them, yet all praise the illegal/uncertified JDM bullshit like it's the best ever.




i run schroth 4-pt ASM... anti sub marining. ran them with my r32 seats and now with r34 seats. great harnesses, dot compliant.

I just assumed that the OP being more focused on a harness bar, wasn't going to spend 350 duckies on a ASM harness so figure just get them the 5 pt ;) That ASM harness is pretty freakin nice though for the OEM seats!

[MattRose]

See my problem is I'm going to be running a fixed bucket and a crow 5 point harness, but down know how to secure the harness. Our local events don't require anything as far as cage goes, but our competitions require a full weld in cage. My dilemma is that a bolt in cage for my R33 is like $1000 anywhere I've looked, so I'd rather spend that next year when I make this car more track oriented. I love the fixed bucket and don't have a problem dailying it, and that's why I've been looking at a harness bar.

Will it not serve the right purpose if I just rock the harness bar and use it to correct the angle, but mount the actually belts to where my rear seat belts were mounted? I'm open to all suggestions guys.

[Om1kron]

Doesn't matter if it was wrapped incorrectly, or correctly, the bars are still shit.

I don't know if I ever told anyone this, but if I had a legit harness in my car, my ganador mirrors would completely be useless.

I don't know how many of you actually street drive your cars, but when you join the Ganador gentlemans club you have to rely on 60's driving tactics to use them. And I mean you do like a fucking crunch to your steering wheel to get a wider viewing angle then turn your head to do that quick look back before merging into a lane.

in a harness you aint fucking doing no crunch, therefore you have no way to see whats behind you.

Fuck playing the guessing game because I want to have another useless mod that wont make my car faster and more of a reason for some cocksucker to break into it.

[bb4_96]

submarine + ejected = ouch

How??? for anyone who read the thread.

[MattRose]

Submarining = sliding put from under harness.

Ejecting= throw from car

Put two and two together and you have someone who smoked the dash then went through a windshield/side window, or by some act of god, the sunroof. All in all the guy is probably dead

[sylsevilsis]

Thats major ouch right there....