2011-2012 NFL Season

[Daniel.]

It's time to discuss the CBA, the Draft and the league as a whole.

We've got roughly 3.5 weeks before the current CBA runs out. I never really liked Goodell but the NFLPA guy Maurice Stovall seems like an Ignorant asshole.

Will there even BE an NFL season next year? Will Rex Ryan lose another 40lbs? Will the Niners make the playoffs? Can Geico really save me 15% or more in 15 minutes?

[S-Nation S13]

I dont know, but my chargers fucked up last year. every player they let go, had a chance to get a ring. im hoping for more consistency, but ive been hoping for that since the days of ryan leaf and doug flutie..so ya hasnt been answered yet!!! ill just have to wait and see how the year will play out.

any bets? i wanna say the raider over charger win streak ends this year, i really dont see raiders winning another game on us, but thats just my opinion.....

draft wise i really think we need to beef up our team in general because gates aint always gonna be there for us every single time, teams will learn to shut him down, its already been done. forget the offense wins games/defense wins games mentally a win is a win.

[MisawaJason]

Will there even BE an NFL season next year? I effin hope so
Rex Ryan lose another 40lbs?
Will the Niners make the playoffs?
Can Geico really save me 15% or more in 15 minutes?
I hope they can work everything out and start the season on time.
Nah, Rex will probably gain weight
I'd actually like to see the niners make the playoffs
Never dealt with Geico, but 15% in 15 minutes doesn't sound bad at all


GO SKINS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[exitspeed]

God I hope they figure this shit all out. If they don't have a season next year it would be a shame.

So who thinks that the Packers are the next dynasty. I mean we are the second youngest team in the league and we will more then likely keep the team together for a while. Plus, we will have Finley back next year as well as Grant which then hopefully Starks and Grant can be an awesome 1-2 punch in the back field opening things up for Rogders even more. Our team just has so much talent. Hell, even against the best defense in the league we com out on top and we didn't even play that well. I'm hoping to be more consistent next year.

[Daniel.]

I dont know, but my chargers fucked up last year. every player they let go, had a chance to get a ring. im hoping for more consistency, but ive been hoping for that since the days of ryan leaf and doug flutie..so ya hasnt been answered yet!!! ill just have to wait and see how the year will play out.

Other than the Niners, my favorite team is the Chargers, so I feel your pain.

The problem with the Charger's isn't their playing ability. It's the unmeasurables.
Their front office created a divide in the team and put a chink in their morale with the way they dealt with McNeil and Vincent Jackson.

I think that if McNeil and VJ were dealt with more quickly and appropriately that the Chargers as a whole would have been able to play MUCH more consistently.

(This is completely overlooking the fact that they had 4 blocked FG's/Punts. 5 if you count the 1 yard blocked punt in game 7 or whatever it was.)

[Daniel.]

God I hope they figure this shit all out. If they don't have a season next year it would be a shame.

So who thinks that the Packers are the next dynasty. I mean we are the second youngest team in the league and we will more then likely keep the team together for a while. Plus, we will have Finley back next year as well as Grant which then hopefully Starks and Grant can be an awesome 1-2 punch in the back field opening things up for Rogders even more. Our team just has so much talent. Hell, even against the best defense in the league we com out on top and we didn't even play that well. I'm hoping to be more consistent next year.

I think they've got great potential to become a dynasty for this decade. At the very least they are going to be extremely dangerous playoff opponents for many years to come, provided they're able to stay healthy.

[exitspeed]

I have to believe that this year was a fluke. I mean most teams don't suffer the amount of injuries we did in two seasons.

But what really is amazing is the depth. That we had guys to back'em up and they were able to play at a Super Bowl level.

Obviously I'm still hyped up and in my mind right now we can't lose. lol.

[Phlip]

Well, since the Lockout is apparently over and teams are cutting/signing players with reckless abandon in short preparation for the forthcoming season, why not strike up the 2011-2012 NFL season thread?
Don’t expect a terrible drowning of input in this thread from me, I am only enough of a fan to watch the games, and my favorite team happens to SUCK.
That said, I don’t spend much time analyzing it as some of you may, but this thread should exist if we have an NBA thread in the middle of a lockout, then we can have an NFL one just at the end of one.
and with that…
discuss!

[Daniel.]

Hey Phlip, can you combine threads? :)

http://zilvia.net/f/off-topic-chat/366655-2011-2012-nfl-season.html

[ESmorz]

A lot of awesome developments in the Charger camp.

Trimming the fat and adding big names for once.

[Daniel.]

At least Takeo Spikes went to my second favorite team.

It looks like Vincent Jackson is getting Franchised for 11million/1 year?

[ESmorz]

At least Takeo Spikes went to my second favorite team.

It looks like Vincent Jackson is getting Franchised for 11million/1 year?

That seems to be what's going to happen, but with how much our cap we have left to spend I wouldn't be surprised if we locked him long term and saved ourselves a little bit of money and get some security at the #1 WR.

The defense is shaping up to be scary up the middle as well since Eric Weddle just resigned this morning. Going to have Antonio Garay, Corey Liuget, Takeo Spikes, (hopefully)Kevin Burnett, Weddle, and Bob Sanders. Try running directly into that.

[Daniel.]

Yes, it's going to be a beastly middle defense for sure. Man I'm almost about to give up on my NIners. They should somehow just try and steal Patrick Willis while they're at it.

Anyone else remember how Spikes and Willis defended the middle while both wearing casts last December?

[stevenwhite1989]

I hate the NFL with a passion, all it is, is a bunch of overpaid bitchy athletes, and greedy as shit owners! I also think it is ridiculous that these lazy asses cant play another game in the season, but i guess its very strenuous to run hard for 15 seconds then stand for 2 minutes.

But I cant wait for September 3rd though! College ball is where its at!
Go Hokies! Go Ducks!

*steps off soapbox*

[Broadfield]

You mean run for 3-5 seconds then get hit by a fucking bus. There is always a risk for serious injury. Besides, it's the fans faults that they get paid so much.... we are the ones that pay the high ticket prices. If you want to talk about overpaid and easy on the body... MLB!

[stevenwhite1989]

ooooo my hatred for baseball!!!!!!
:madfawk:

[Broadfield]

ooooo my hatred for baseball!!!!!!
:madfawk:

Hahahaha!!!

[Riq]

Here is to wishing on a star that my Fins make some moves. I dont like Kyle Orton much but I like him alot more than Henne.

Lets go fins!

[ALTRNTV]

McNabb is now a Viking...

[Daniel.]

McNabb is now a Viking...

Amongst a million other changes yesterday.

I can't believe the first preseason game is less than two weeks away. :cool:

[exitspeed]

You mean run for 3-5 seconds then get hit by a fucking bus. There is always a risk for serious injury. Besides, it's the fans faults that they get paid so much.... we are the ones that pay the high ticket prices. If you want to talk about overpaid and easy on the body... MLB!

Werd-the-fuck-up.

Amongst a million other changes yesterday.

I can't believe the first preseason game is less than two weeks away. :cool:

We so excited!

[ZenkiKid]

That seems to be what's going to happen, but with how much our cap we have left to spend I wouldn't be surprised if we locked him long term and saved ourselves a little bit of money and get some security at the #1 WR.

The defense is shaping up to be scary up the middle as well since Eric Weddle just resigned this morning. Going to have Antonio Garay, Corey Liuget, Takeo Spikes, (hopefully)Kevin Burnett, Weddle, and Bob Sanders. Try running directly into that.

40 FUCKING Mill for weddle. Wow. Just Wow.

[frsh4]

is it true that reggie bush is going to the miami dolphins? :[
can anyone confirm this.

mark ingram better deliver..i know bush was always hurt but he was still one of my favorite players to watch.

[Phlip]

Here is to wishing on a star that my Fins make some moves. I dont like Kyle Orton much but I like him alot more than Henne.

Lets go fins!

According to FoxSports/MSN this morning, they’re making a play for Reggie Bush, contingent upon him signing a different deal with them.
Granted, he hasn’t been as great as we were promised over the course of his career, but who knows what might happen

[ESmorz]

40 FUCKING Mill for weddle. Wow. Just Wow.

It's not ideal but it needed to happen. The FA market is slim pickens and 8 teams were driving for him and 3 teams were very serious, even offering him more money than the Chargers did. I'm fine with the overspending though because it keeps a good solid player, and keeps secondary continuity. We should have a little bit more pass rush this year, and with Bo Sanders on the other side of him some more room to make plays and not coach the secondary mid-game.

Next year more big name safeties contracts will be up and the 40 mil will easily be overshadowed.

[ZenkiKid]

Dude... both Haynesworth and Ochocinco to the pats? Where the hell are the pats getting their money?!

[Daniel.]

They're probably swindling it from other teams.

[WERDdabuilder]

with all these moves....fantasy should be interesting this year.

[ALTRNTV]

LA moves one step closer to having a football team back...

[exitspeed]

I've been so busy I haven't even seen what the Pack has been up to other then signing a $11 mil deal with our Mason Crosby.

[Sarom_ps13]

Yep, Ochocinco officially a fu%$*in patriot!!

[Daniel.]

Sproles to the Saints! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

[frsh4]

i thought this was amusing.
If McNabb wants No. 5, he’ll be promoting a punter’s rock band - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/If-McNabb-wants-5-he-8217-ll-be-promoting-a-p?urn=nfl-wp4056)

Sproles to the Saints! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

YES!

[revat619]

Sproles to the Saints! FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

He wasnt really that effective last year so whatever. He's basically taking reggie bush's spot with a smaller and slower frame. They'll use him well in NO though, since their coach isnt a moron...

The plus side for charger fans is that now we dont have to deal with Norv drawing up dumb ass plays with sproles running up the middle...which we all know he cant do.

[frsh4]

Eagles swoop in to take CB Nnamdi Asomugha from multiple suitors - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Eagles-swoop-in-to-take-Nnamdi-Asomugha-away-fro?urn=nfl-wp4193)

[SimpleS14]

Ravens, RB Ricky Williams agree to deal (http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/F/FBN_RAVENS_RICKY_WILLIAMS?SITE=INSBT&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-08-08-18-39-43)

[WERDdabuilder]

H9Rd8bBXyiE
http://static.bbmp3.com/smilies/sadto.gif

liked what i saw from the first team. like what i saw from Locker. poised in the pocket. making something from muffled hand off. when he rolls out he is dead accurate which is his best asset. young team and first year coach. i believe we'll have an above average season if we stay healthy.









PS: PAY THE MAN.

[fliprayzin240sx]

One year on the side with Hasselbeck mentoring him will do him some good. If that was any other rookie, that ball would have been a fumble already.

[Daniel.]

What a great way to start the NFL season.

Tonight's game was more exciting than all the preseason games put together. It was practically a playoff caliber game.

Exciting.

[HFAS_monkey]

Agreed.. Tonight was an awesome game. Had me on edge the whole time.. Saints fan! Ready to see what this season holds.

[WERDdabuilder]

great game. too bad colston couldnt get me any fantasy points. jennings helped me somewhat.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Now, time to see how ready the rest of the league are...I doubt we'd see anymore game that exciting for a couple of weeks. Atleast not until everybody gets into the groove.

[exitspeed]

What a great way to start the NFL season.

Tonight's game was more exciting than all the preseason games put together. It was practically a playoff caliber game.

Exciting.

Man the Pack looked SERIOUS in the first half. Our defense isn't firing on all cylinders yet, but we'll get into a groove. Even though the Saints are a high scoring team there was plenty of sloppiness on that side of the ball for us. Rodgers though...geez.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Texans killing the colts...34-0 at the half. It's gonna be a looooong season for the colts.

[Antihero983]

I say this almost every year, but, the Bengals have the worst owner ever.

Ah well, Go Saints, Bucs, Bengals, and Pats!

[Antihero983]

Texans killing the colts...34-0 at the half. It's gonna be a looooong season for the colts.

Thats what happens when you do almost NOTHING in the (short) off season. And they need a quarterback of the future, cause Painter ain't it.

[WERDdabuilder]

week 1 and titans already pissing me off. weak ass play calling and stupid decision by hass to end what could have been a game tying series.
britt had a good day. please stay healthy.

cam having a great first game. posting up some record rookie numbers. didnt expected him to throw this well.

[frsh4]

Tony Romo- "oh snap"

Cam Newton throwing for 400+ yards?? wow..
just signed him to my FF team lol.

[LoneStarSilvia]

What the hell happened with the Cowboys game? I was work, but on my lunch I saw them up a touchdown or so in the 3rd quarter, next thing I know people are talking shit on Facebook about Romo being a screw up.

[Phlip]

I say this almost every year, but, the Bengals have the worst owner ever.
I present to you... Al Davis

[biggie]

What the hell happened with the Cowboys game? I was work, but on my lunch I saw them up a touchdown or so in the 3rd quarter, next thing I know people are talking shit on Facebook about Romo being a screw up.
They blew it and it pissed me off. They were up 24-10 in 4th. Jets scored to get it to 24-17, then Jets blocked a punt for TD to tie it.

Cowboys get the ball around there own 40 after a strip-sack. Romo proceeds to throw it to double covered Bryant (that couldn't run due to cramps all night) directly to Revis who gets the INT. Defense holds them there, but they kicked the FG from 50+ with 30 seconds to go.

[LoneStarSilvia]

Jesus, typical shit from these guys. Though with a 50+ yarder for the win, good for the Jets.

[dksil80]

romo is done.. if he screws up the next game with the 49ers, jason garret should just sit his ass down and put stephen mcgee in. he is faster and he throws better then romo for sure. and seriously, our running game sucks!! fawking have sean lee as running back. did you guys see him return that int. back for a touch down? that fool juked 2 bitches before he got an open lane to run. if you know mcgees playing style, product like lee would be bad ass next to mcgee in the pro i formation.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I present to you... Al Davis

Hey Hey now...but the Raiders is 6-0 in the division, dont you forget that Sir!!!

No but for reals tho, the best thing that can happen to the Raiders is for Al Davis to die. This coming from an old Broncos fan, least before fucking Mcdaniels got ahold of the team.

But in other news, who ever got fucking Brady in their Fantasy Team is having a fucking ball right now. Over 500 yrds passing with 4 TDs and there's still 4 mins left in the game. Wes Walker just went for a 99 yrd catch and run. How the fuck a tiny lil fuck like Wes Walker stiff arm you is beyond my imagination. No, thats no disrespect to Walker, I really do like him, but some of the shit he does is fucking unbelievable. Get lit up in the middle by the strong safety, flip head over heels, and he just keeps on trucking.

[Ramonesfreak2010]

Redskins baby! Great game yesterday!

[fliprayzin240sx]

Fucking No-Show Moreno. I've lost track of how many times he's lost a fucking fumble last yr. Learn to hold on to the ball you piece of shit!!!

[Gnnr]

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/9953345.jpg

[revat619]

Hey Hey now...but the Raiders is 6-0 in the division, dont you forget that Sir!!!

No but for reals tho, the best thing that can happen to the Raiders is for Al Davis to die. This coming from an old Broncos fan, least before fucking Mcdaniels got ahold of the team.

But in other news, who ever got fucking Brady in their Fantasy Team is having a fucking ball right now. Over 500 yrds passing with 4 TDs and there's still 4 mins left in the game. Wes Walker just went for a 99 yrd catch and run. How the fuck a tiny lil fuck like Wes Walker stiff arm you is beyond my imagination. No, thats no disrespect to Walker, I really do like him, but some of the shit he does is fucking unbelievable. Get lit up in the middle by the strong safety, flip head over heels, and he just keeps on trucking.

I have brady and welker in one league and just welker in another. I won both games this week. :bigok:

[fliprayzin240sx]

Shit, better question is...anybody actually thought of picking up Ryan Fitzpatrick on their league? Can't believe he had a better QB rating than Brady.

[revat619]

lol i have him as a back up in one of my leagues too.

[WERDdabuilder]

titans D keeping flacco on the run and the secondary keeping that shit on lock. britt is beastin. hasselbeck making good plays. CJ still trying to get his legs under him.

titans 400+ off-yds compared to 200 something for ravens. not one sack allowed by the Oline. good win, daddy likes.

[Gnnr]

http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/9953345.jpg

Again...as usual.

[Riq]

Omfg the Dolphins suck sooo much. I pray every game is blacked out so I am no longer obligated to watch them on Sunday. And who told these so called experts that our starting DB's are any good? All they do is drop interceptions and get pearled all day. My my how much the standard of what makes a good DB has dropped since Sam Madison and Patrick Surtain retired. Atleast Henne isn't the main reason we suck anymore... Oh and lmao at that glorified 3rd down back Reggie Bush being a great pickup for the phins, he looked pretty awsome riding the bench and avg 1 yard per rush between the tackles :smh:

[exitspeed]

Packers came out a little conservative in the first half, but got back into for the win in the second.

[gambit420s]

titans D keeping flacco on the run and the secondary keeping that shit on lock. britt is beastin. hasselbeck making good plays. CJ still trying to get his legs under him.

titans 400+ off-yds compared to 200 something for ravens. not one sack allowed by the Oline. good win, daddy likes.
damn right


Ryan and Vick getting their shit kicked tonight, and Who is Kafka? beating the blitz and several nice comps, Would have brought em back but for the hamfisting

[frsh4]

i loved what i saw from the saints defense.
after the way they played against GB they had to make a statement and today they did.
:)

[TougeLove]

anyone catch that camera guy assistant get popped in the face on the lateral recovery TD? ahahha

[WERDdabuilder]

just caught the gif ha.
http://boston.3432.voxcdn.com/files/2011/09/BOLEYCAMERAMAN1.gif

[KOUKIboy]

Oh oh looks like the Raiders are back to their good'ol days!!! who would ever think that Mcfadden would be the lead rusher!!! 171 yards stomping agianst the Jets!!! Thats what I'm talking about!!! With Mcfadden, Ford, and Moore on the field at the same time the Pats D wont know what hit them...I'm predicting a shoot out game and another career day for Mcfadden...Lets go Raiders!!! Just win Baby!!!

[initial_jc]

Oh oh looks like the Raiders are back to their good'ol days!!! who would ever think that Mcfadden would be the lead rusher!!! 171 yards stomping agianst the Jets!!! Thats what I'm talking about!!! With Mcfadden, Ford, and Moore on the field at the same time the Pats D wont know what hit them...I'm predicting a shoot out game and another career day for Mcfadden...Lets go Raiders!!! Just win Baby!!!

I hope it goes that way, but recieving sucks besides Moore.

[DJDANGER24]

As long as the Raiders D-line stays aggressive and forces Brady out of the pocket, I think the Raiders will upset the Pats on Sunday. Just gotta run, run and run some more. I hope they don't force plays on Ford though. He's gotta get a rhythm and some confidence in him, i think, before the big plays come. And Moore, he just has to keep on doing what he's doing and play his ass off and earn his paycheck. Im liking this Bully shit thats going on, just have to stay confident in themselves and attack attack attack. JUST WIN BABY!

[exitspeed]

Packers are STILL undefeated.

Seriously? The Lions? Can't to play them on Thanksgiving.

[Daniel.]

Packers are beast.

I can't believe the niners beat the eagles today. Fuck yeah.

[WERDdabuilder]

http://cmsimg.tennessean.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=DN&Date=20111002&Category=SPORTS01&ArtNo=110020802&Ref=PH&Item=10&Maxw=620&Maxh=465&q=60

swaaaaaaag.

[frsh4]

damn this Jets/Ravens game. TURNOVERS!!!!!

[Antihero983]

FUCK YEAH BENGALS!!!

And I hope the Bucs wipe the floor with the Colts on Monday.

[DJDANGER24]

Colts 0-4. Manning must want to shoot himself in the face right now.

[DrftSLowHomIe!!]

Giants are looking Strong and With the Eagles and Cowboys playing how they are I Can't see us anywhere else but in 1st place
GO GIANTS!

[exitspeed]

Packers...6-0.

[Daniel.]

Omg fuck yeah ninersssssssssss

[KiLLeR2001]

Niners ftw!!!

[exitspeed]

I'll agree. Glad the Niners won today. ;)

[One_love_silvia]

Packers...6-0.
hell yeah!
I'll agree. Glad the Niners won today. ;)

now were the only 6-0 team :D

today was a good football day.

packers went 6-0
patriots went 5-1
and the colts went 0-6.


all is right in the nfl.

[Phlip]

“I went to congratulate coach Harbaugh and got shoved out of the way; I didn’t expect an obscenity at that point. Obviously, when you win a game like that, you are excited, but there is a protocol that goes with this league.”
And with that strike of bitch-madeness, don’t be shocked if the Lions return to being the Lions and go 0-10 for the remainder of the season.

Also, it is increasingly difficult to dislike Tom Brady when he does things like he did when he led that drive at the end of the game yesterday. Perhaps I dislike the Cowboys as an organization just that much, but I was impressed.

[Daniel.]

“I went to congratulate coach Harbaugh and got shoved out of the way; I didn’t expect an obscenity at that point. Obviously, when you win a game like that, you are excited, but there is a protocol that goes with this league.”
And with that strike of bitch-madeness, don’t be shocked if the Lions return to being the Lions and go 0-10 for the remainder of the season.

Also, it is increasingly difficult to dislike Tom Brady when he does things like he did when he led that drive at the end of the game yesterday. Perhaps I dislike the Cowboys as an organization just that much, but I was impressed.

I love how this scuffle is building up to possibly be a great post season storyline. FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT. (P.S. Niners in the playoffs!? FInally!!!)

WIthout a doubt, Tom Brady deserves recognition. The man is a clearly going to be inducted into the Hall of Fame. Not many QB's could have orchestrated a drive like that.

[exitspeed]

That was pretty bad ass by Brady.

Rodgers is finally starting to get the recognition he deserves.

The Packers aren't even playing their best ball yet. Being undefeated though makes me nervous. I'd love to see them go undefeated and win the Super Bowl. That would be the ultimate, most awesome shit ever for Packer fans.

The problem people are having with the Pack is they can't outscore us. Hell we didn't even play the second half of the game and still won by 21 points. People have been very critical about the Packers second half performance. It's still a W though.

[Daniel.]

This nonchalant TD by Rodgers pretty much sums it up.

NFL Videos: QB Rodgers to WR Driver, 7-yd, pass, TD (http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-fantasy/09000d5d8232a17f/QB-Rodgers-to-WR-Driver-7-yd-pass-TD)

[lenox_240]

So Campbell is out for the Raiders, and now we get Palmer. I hope it works out so far Palmer has around 4 days to learn the offense which I don't think he will be able to manage but with a little bit of help from McFadden we might be able to pull it off against the Chiefs. GO RAIDERS!!!!

[95BoostedS14]

Tebow time!!! I hope Tim can put some good numbers up and be a great starter!!!

[biggie]

Tebow time!!! I hope Tim can put some good numbers up and be a great starter!!!
That will depend on if any defense forces him to throw the ball.

[Daniel.]

That will depend on if any defense forces him to throw the ball.

If he get's rushed or flushed, he's just going to run it, he doesn't have the patience to sit in the pocket and throw.

He's like Michael Vick from 10 years ago, but with less talent.

[biggie]

If any D is smart the just contain him and force him to throw. He is probably the most inaccurate QB in the league.

[s13_maJiK]

AJ Hawk flips the bird! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Oo9rXY3Nk&feature=related)
Haha

[exitspeed]

AJ Hawk flips the bird! - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-Oo9rXY3Nk&feature=related)
Haha

Hell yeah! :rofl:

[Daniel.]

If any D is smart the just contain him and force him to throw. He is probably the most inaccurate QB in the league.

That's the obvious strategy. The question is, can they?

[One_love_silvia]

i like all the packers love in this thread right now :D

i agree tho. im definitely nervous about the whole undefeated thing.

[revat619]

I hope Tebow does well for 2 reasons.

1. I have him starting for me this week since Brady is on a bye. lol

2. So that everyone can shut the fuck up already and leave the guy alone. I mean seriously, it's just out of hand. "Oh his throwing motion isn't perfect" "his footwork is blah blah blah" and so on. He is the most overly critiqued player in the league and for no reason. How many FULL games has he had for anyone to REALLY make a legitimate assessment on his ability to lead a team? None. At least give the guy a chance to blow it before you say he can't win....

How many years has Romo been a starter and been HABITUALLY fucking up and yet he's still in the elite level qb talks?...How did Rex Grossman even get an opportunity to start on another team (granted, he just lost that job)......Oh and Mark Sanchez...well, you fill in the rest....I could go on with these forever.

My point is, there's A LOT of qb's in the league that have BEEN starting that haven't had spectacular numbers and are pretty shitty when you really look at it and yet Tebow hasnt even had an opportunity to fail and he's already in the dog house. Get real...

[exitspeed]

i like all the packers love in this thread right now :D

i agree tho. im definitely nervous about the whole undefeated thing.

You from WI?

[One_love_silvia]

You from WI?

nah, i wish :( lived in SD my whole life, but ive been a packers fan since before i can even remember lol. i used to even have a cheese head when i was like 7 or 8.

[exitspeed]

nah, i wish :( lived in SD my whole life, but ive been a packers fan since before i can even remember lol. i used to even have a cheese head when i was like 7 or 8.

Yeah, that's one of the cool things about the Pack is people all over the country like'e. The city their in is the smallest market in the league and they are still owned by the people of Green Bay, and they still win Super Bowls. It's hard to hate on that.

[Phlip]

I hope Tebow does well for 2 reasons.

1. I have him starting for me this week since Brady is on a bye. lol

2. So that everyone can shut the fuck up already and leave the guy alone. I mean seriously, it's just out of hand. "Oh his throwing motion isn't perfect" "his footwork is blah blah blah" and so on. He is the most overly critiqued player in the league and for no reason. How many FULL games has he had for anyone to REALLY make a legitimate assessment on his ability to lead a team? None. At least give the guy a chance to blow it before you say he can't win....

How many years has Romo been a starter and been HABITUALLY fucking up and yet he's still in the elite level qb talks?...How did Rex Grossman even get an opportunity to start on another team (granted, he just lost that job)......Oh and Mark Sanchez...well, you fill in the rest....I could go on with these forever.

My point is, there's A LOT of qb's in the league that have BEEN starting that haven't had spectacular numbers and are pretty shitty when you really look at it and yet Tebow hasnt even had an opportunity to fail and he's already in the dog house. Get real...
My issue is blind fans who lavish the dude with praise for what has been LITERALLY nothing. I mean, seriously you even said it yourself:
So that everyone can shut the fuck up already and leave the guy alone. I mean seriously, it's just out of hand. "Oh his throwing motion isn't perfect" "his footwork is blah blah blah" and so on. He is the most overly critiqued player in the league and for no reason. How many FULL games has he had for anyone to REALLY make a legitimate assessment on his ability to lead a team? None. At least give the guy a chance to blow it before you say he can't win....
If people can jump the gun in speak of how amazing he is in an adult league, based solely on his performances playing against children then criticisms based upon simply being tired of hearing it is valid to me.

Keep in mind, I just don't like the guy because of overzealous fans so I am fine with letting whatever happens happen.
I mean, it's not like the Broncos are winning anything worth mentioning this year anyway, lol.

[revat619]

lol yeah i agree that the unwarranted praise is just as bad. People just need to let the dude play and if he fails miserably then so be it and if he's awesome, kudos to him. Either way people just need to stfu about him. lol

[exitspeed]

Packers...Rodgers...Woodson...yeah.

[revat619]

Chargers epic fail. What else is new...

fuckers....:rolleyes:

[TougeLove]

^ they always find a way to lose! I hate being a charger fan lol.

the only thing that made this day good was the all blacks winning the rugby world cup!!!!!
http://www.thefirstpost.co.uk/assets/library/rugby-426--131936709172578500.jpg

[s13_maJiK]

packers...rodgers...woodson...yeah.

7-0!!!!!!!!!!!

[revat619]

^ they always find a way to lose! I hate being a charger fan lol.


lol so do i! but every year here we are supporting this ridiculous franchise!

[One_love_silvia]

Yeah, that's one of the cool things about the Pack is people all over the country like'e. The city their in is the smallest market in the league and they are still owned by the people of Green Bay, and they still win Super Bowls. It's hard to hate on that.
ya thats one of the things i really love about them. i just wish lambo seats werent sold out for the next 30 fucking years.
too bad i dont have the 200 bucks to spend on a ticket to go see them this season when they come play the chargers here.
Packers...Rodgers...Woodson...yeah.

hell yeah, those guys played amazing today. woodson got a little greedy on trying to get more picks tho lol. but i guess thats how you become a play maker.

i wasnt happy with the first half. then qtr 3 kicked in and i could stop yelling and cheering and jumping around haha. my whole neighborhood apparently could hear me. my voice even started to hurt XD

and then 4th quarter came and i got scared again because they started going easy on the vikings. i cant stand when a team is totally kicking ass, and then they just start giving the losing team points like they arent trying anymore. drives me insane.

[exitspeed]

7-0!!!!!!!!!!!

Fuck yeah!

ya thats one of the things i really love about them. i just wish lambo seats werent sold out for the next 30 fucking years.
too bad i dont have the 200 bucks to spend on a ticket to go see them this season when they come play the chargers here.


hell yeah, those guys played amazing today. woodson got a little greedy on trying to get more picks tho lol. but i guess thats how you become a play maker.

i wasnt happy with the first half. then qtr 3 kicked in and i could stop yelling and cheering and jumping around haha. my whole neighborhood apparently could hear me. my voice even started to hurt XD

and then 4th quarter came and i got scared again because they started going easy on the vikings. i cant stand when a team is totally kicking ass, and then they just start giving the losing team points like they arent trying anymore. drives me insane.

You can get tickets at face value pretty easily. If you go to a game you can ALWAYS buy tickets right at the game. I've been to dozens of games over the years and there is always people selling them outside the stadium and they have to sell them at face value.

If you've never been to Lambeau field for a game I highly recommend you do so at some point. The experience is amazing. The first time you walk up to that stadium is electrifying.

[Daniel.]

lol so do i! but every year here we are supporting this ridiculous franchise!

As long as the Raiders tank, we should still come away as division champs.

I'm not too worried about the Chiefs or the Broncos.

[lenox_240]

As long as the Raiders tank, we should still come away as division champs.

I'm not too worried about the Chiefs or the Broncos.

Which I hope it doesn't happen, but if Palmer doesn't do it for us you guys might take it. They played horrible against the Chiefs 6 Intcerptions :bash: good thing we have the bye week, let's see if anything good comes out of it.

[Daniel.]

Which I hope it doesn't happen, but if Palmer doesn't do it for us you guys might take it. They played horrible against the Chiefs 6 Intcerptions :bash: good thing we have the bye week, let's see if anything good comes out of it.

Being a Niners/Chargers fan just makes me hate the Raiders that much more. :bite:

[One_love_silvia]

Fuck yeah!



You can get tickets at face value pretty easily. If you go to a game you can ALWAYS buy tickets right at the game. I've been to dozens of games over the years and there is always people selling them outside the stadium and they have to sell them at face value.

If you've never been to Lambeau field for a game I highly recommend you do so at some point. The experience is amazing. The first time you walk up to that stadium is electrifying.

ive never been to wisconsin, let alone lambeau field lol. i definitely will go to a game there sometime in my life tho. just need the money first haha.

from what i hear, just the presence of lambeau field is amazing. like you can *feel* lambardi's presence or somethin like that. watched a documentary on him and the stadium awhile ago on the nfl channel lol. cant remember how exactly they described the feeling tho.

i just want to be able to cheer my team on with fellow packers fans :( lol

[Riq]

Miami Dolphins... Where suck for Luck happens no matter how hard they try not to suck. God I pray every player on our roster is traded away.

[Daniel.]

Miami Dolphins... Where suck for Luck happens no matter how hard they try not to suck. God I pray for every player on our roster is traded away.

No one wants any of the shitty Dolphins players. Maybe Jason Taylor for some of his experience and leadership....but that's it.

[Felipe]

I hope Tebow does well for 2 reasons.

1. I have him starting for me this week since Brady is on a bye. lol

2. So that everyone can shut the fuck up already and leave the guy alone. I mean seriously, it's just out of hand. "Oh his throwing motion isn't perfect" "his footwork is blah blah blah" and so on. He is the most overly critiqued player in the league and for no reason. How many FULL games has he had for anyone to REALLY make a legitimate assessment on his ability to lead a team? None. At least give the guy a chance to blow it before you say he can't win....

How many years has Romo been a starter and been HABITUALLY fucking up and yet he's still in the elite level qb talks?...How did Rex Grossman even get an opportunity to start on another team (granted, he just lost that job)......Oh and Mark Sanchez...well, you fill in the rest....I could go on with these forever.

My point is, there's A LOT of qb's in the league that have BEEN starting that haven't had spectacular numbers and are pretty shitty when you really look at it and yet Tebow hasnt even had an opportunity to fail and he's already in the dog house. Get real...

Tebow fab since the gators...
love the running...
more filed time and will work wonders.
was kinda mad at broncs not playing him more. that probly why every ones talkin crap. i think its because of him being not worn in and lack of experience.

P.S. i hope he does well for 5 seasons! :snoop:

[Riq]

No one wants any of the shitty Dolphins players. Maybe Jason Taylor for some of his experience and leadership....but that's it.

You are 100% incorrect dispite what every Dolphin fan knows about this whole team being bad in every position. Everyone in the NFL would jump at the chace to sign all these overpaid and overrated scrubs. Sean Smith is seen as a great up and coming CB yet for the past few years I have seen him on this roster, all he does is drop interceptions. Carlos Dansby, Barnett, Bush, Marshall aka "Monster" all suck yet people around the NFL say they are all good. For godsakes, we have the worst pass defense in the league and these analysts and coaches still crown them as a great defense. Trust me, if Ross decides to trade away these scrubs in the offseason he will get a good return compared to what we have now.

[Daniel.]

Ok, I spoke in haste, Dansby, Bush, and Marshall would probably be picked up with a quickness. The rest....I'd sign to my practice squad.

[Daniel.]

This is the most idiotic thing ever. Introducing Tebowing. It’s like planking, but dumber. - Shutdown Corner - NFL Blog - Yahoo! Sports (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Introducing-Tebowing-It-s-like-planking-but-du?urn=nfl-wp10549)

[I LUV MY S13]

Fuckin Raiders, just when things were looking good(1st in almost 10yrs) they start fuckin up. Oh well its not too late, Chargers are playing like shit too.

[lenox_240]

Fuckin Raiders, just when things were looking good(1st in almost 10yrs) they start fuckin up. Oh well its not too late, Chargers are playing like shit too.

I agree, like I said hopefully the bye week will do something for us. If not then we are fucked....

[One_love_silvia]

lol chargers. lol rivers

[Daniel.]

Hey, the game isn't over yet. Two pick sixes is super bad...but they still have another half to play.

UGH.

In other news, the Niners are fucken' 7-1. WOOT WOOT.

[exitspeed]

Yeah game isn't over yet...I'll fell comfortable when we're up by 3 scores.

[s13_maJiK]

Rodgers is the man

[Broadfield]

Rogers is the man

Yeah, but after seeing the grabs by Driver and Nelson on the last drive before the half, you have to wonder if Rogers deserves all of the credit he receives!?! Don't get me wrong, I think he's a great QB, but how would he look if you popped him in at the QB position on like the Bears? Given the Bears shit O-line and their receivers who drop the ball when you hit them in the #'s... I don't think Rogers would have them at any better of a record than the 4 and 3 they are now.

[exitspeed]

Yeah, but after seeing the grabs by Driver and Nelson on the last drive before the half, you have to wonder if Rogers deserves all of the credit he receives!?! Don't get me wrong, I think he's a great QB, but how would he look if you popped him in at the QB position on like the Bears? Given the Bears shit O-line and their receivers who drop the ball when you hit them in the #'s... I don't think Rogers would have them at any better of a record than the 4 and 3 they are now.

Really? I disagree. His accuracy is incredible. Yes, he has probably the best weapons in the league, but he puts the ball exactly where it needs to be. His accuracy when on the run out of the pocket is insane. His athleticism is nuts. Dude is the shit.

EDIT: OK seriously....did you just see how perfect that throw TD was?

[Broadfield]

Really? I disagree. His accuracy is incredible. Yes, he has probably the best weapons in the league, but he puts the ball exactly where it needs to be. His accuracy when on the run out of the pocket is insane. His athleticism is nuts. Dude is the shit.

Yeah, because I see Cutler make the same throws and on the run also... but the Bear's receivers just are not capable of making the catches... let alone even run a good route to allow him to get the ball to them. I see balls thrown all of the time during a Bears game that are dropped or the receiver didn't lay out for it. I can't help but think to myself: if that would of been Jennings, Megatron, Nelson, Fitz etc. it would of been caught.

If you think off all the great QB's, they have at least a great receiver, if not three like the Pack, to go along with him... and most likely a good O-line to-boot. So you have to wonder if the QB makes the team or the team makes the QB?

[s13_maJiK]

Really? I disagree. His accuracy is incredible. Yes, he has probably the best weapons in the league, but he puts the ball exactly where it needs to be. His accuracy when on the run out of the pocket is insane. His athleticism is nuts. Dude is the shit.

EDIT: OK seriously....did you just see how perfect that throw TD was?

I question how you even cover against him lol. The ball still gets there no matter what. Broadfield, I agree that the receivers deserve credit, the grabs they do are amazing. But like exitspeed said, it all starts with Rodgers and the accuracy he throws out there.

[exitspeed]

Our receiving core is drastically underrated for sure.

Oh it's definitely a team effort. Our receiving core is by far the best in the league. But if you look at the the dropped passes he's had, it's almost always the receivers fault, just plain dropping the passes.

I don't think it's even right to compare what Rodgers is doing in GB and what Cutler is doing in Chi. I mean look at the confidence between the two. No offense but going back to the play-off game last year just sums up the character of Cutler. He just quit. Rodgers is special. I know you know that though. ;) It's just hard to admit it when you're a Bears fan (I'm assuming you are).

[Phlip]

In other news, the Niners are fucken' 7-1. WOOT WOOT.

YES!!!
The wife is a Ravens fan, I am hoping for 8-2 when we get to them, but PRAYING for 9-1.

[s13_maJiK]

I don't think it's even right to compare what Rodgers is doing in GB and what Cutler is doing in Chi. I mean look at the confidence between the two. No offense but going back to the play-off game last year just sums up the character of Cutler. He just quit. Rodgers is special. I know you know that though. ;) It's just hard to admit it when you're a Bears fan (I'm assuming you are).

LOL, I for see another packer TD in the upcoming minutes.

[exitspeed]

That last pass to Nelson...good lord.

[revat619]

My god.....the Chargers are such a shit pile organization..... This game is absolutely hilarious.....and i'm a lifetime charger fan. Whatever, at least my fantasy teams are on beast mode right now! Pretty much the only thing i can be happy about today. lol


EDIT: HOLY SHIT WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED?!?!?!?! This team is so goddam bipolar.

[s13_maJiK]

Damm, Packer defense needs to step there game up.

[Daniel.]

YES!!!
The wife is a Ravens fan, I am hoping for 8-2 when we get to them, but PRAYING for 9-1.

Hah. To be honest, I don't really care what our record is, as long as we get a decent bye for the playoffs.

Ravens vs Niners is going to be one of the ugliest, slowest offensive games this season.

Both team's defeneses are stout...I hope we beat the Ravens.

EDIT: FAIL ASS CHARGERS. Again. sigh.

[exitspeed]

Got nervous, but we got the win.

8 and OH

[s13_maJiK]

Got nervous, but we got the win.

8 and OH

This!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^

[One_love_silvia]

Yeah game isn't over yet...I'll fell comfortable when we're up by 3 scores.
apparently not even that is enough of a gap for our defense.

That last pass to Nelson...good lord.
my thoughts exactly. i posted on facebook about it right after it happened lol

Damm, Packer defense needs to step there game up.

refer to the first quote.
idk how the fuck we go from being #1 defense either last yr or the yr before, to being one of the worst in the nfl. like what.the.fuck.

the interceptions are the only reason we didnt lose. and thats only because of a couple players on defense. that doesnt involve the whole D.

[KiLLeR2001]

Niners on the road to the superbowl.

[Ramonesfreak2010]

Fucking Redskins man. Jesus. Their season just went from bad to ugly! I had gotten free tickets to the game today against the 49ers. It was a fun experience. I was in the club level and I had parking in the platinum section. My row was literally 2 rows from FedEx Field itself. Never sat so close before... Pretty dope!

[WERDdabuilder]

titans suck balls. pls fire the whole coaching staff. defense sucks balls.

[I LUV MY S13]

Raiders are so damn disappointing. Oh well my Ravens made up for it. Awesome game :)

[Broadfield]

Jesus I'll say it again, if the Bears receivers could actually catch a damn ball, Cutler would look like Superman. Hester can't catch a damn thing if there is anyone on him whatsoever. The only good/tuff receiver they have is Bennett.

[exitspeed]

Jesus I'll say it again, if the Bears receivers could actually catch a damn ball, Cutler would look like Superman. Hester can't catch a damn thing if there is anyone on him whatsoever. The only good/tuff receiver they have is Bennett.

A depressed Superman. lol

[Broadfield]

Bomb to Roy Williams... hit him in the #'s. I guess that wasn't good enough placement for him to catch it.

[Daniel.]

Whoa two fumbles from Forte?

[Phlip]

After 7-1, and considering the prior 9 seasons, this week was a game I had conceded...
Now the Niners are 8-1 and I REALLY think 13-3 is realistic

[Daniel.]

I agree. With the only two tough games remaining being against the the Steelers and th Ravens, 13-3 is entirely realistic. The rest of the games are division match ups against the NFC Worst. First round bye, here we come.

[KiLLeR2001]

Looks like I'll begin planning for an Indianapolis trip.

[kalypso123]

San fransisco handled my beloved giants convincingly.

only a high flying pass offense with 4 or 5 reciever sets could beat that team because up front they're too tough.

[DrftSLowHomIe!!]

damm niners beat my Gmen hard loss but gotta say it was the game of the week, we'll bounce back and beat Philly next week

[DJDANGER24]

I'm surprised nobody posted about the Raiders running all over the Chargers. Well, it was a fun day to be a Raider in San Diego. Got some dirty looks when i was with the wife at the mall on Friday. Geez there are some sore ass losers in San Diego, it wasn't this bad last year. I had a smile on the entire time though hahaha I'm glad Hue kept the mindset of run run run. Having said that, if McFadden was in the game, a pair of those Bush runs would of been 6 pts due to his speed alone. Great game all together for the Raiders.

Is CP3 the Jim Plunkett of our era? I sure hope so

[KiLLeR2001]

^ I think it would be a lot worse if you were in Oakland wearing a Chargers jersey and the Chargers won.

[Daniel.]

^ I think it would be a lot worse if you were in Oakland wearing a Chargers jersey and the Chargers won.

If by "a lot worse" you mean, "get murdered" then you'd be correct.

[exitspeed]

Packers vs Vikings tonight.

Being undefeated makes me so nervous.

[Daniel.]

Don't be nervous. The only good players on the Vikes are A.P. and Jared Allen.

The rest of your schedule is soft. The only team left that can even come close to beating you guys are the Giants and possibly the Bears. Even then, you're still going to be the number 1 seed.

[frsh4]

jim harbaugh coach of the year? how about them eagles lol

i didnt expect the patriots to beat the jets like that and they have the easiest remaining schedule too.

and my saints handled the falcons :)
good sunday

[Daniel.]

jim harbaugh coach of the year? how about them eagles lol

i didnt expect the patriots to beat the jets like that and they have the easiest remaining schedule too.

and my saints handled the falcons :)
good sunday

Mike Smith was the Saints MVP yesterday.

[exitspeed]

Lol. 9-0.

Seriously, can Rodgers get any better? I hate to brag, but god lord is this dude incredible.

[Daniel.]

I can't believe the Niners had the chance to draft Rodgers as the first over all pick. Rodgers is ridiculous. Go Pack. Hope to see you guys in the playoffs.

[One_love_silvia]

Lol. 9-0.

Seriously, can Rodgers get any better? I hate to brag, but god lord is this dude incredible.

no kidding. my family was getting pissed at the announcers cuz they wouldn't shut up about rodgers lol.

on another note, matt flynn was quite impressive in the fourth quarter. im happy we have him as a back up qb.

and our defense finally stepped the game up a little bit. especially in that last quarter.

in any case....

9-0 BABY!!

[KiLLeR2001]

The coolest thing about Rodgers... He's a Niners fan!!!

[theronin]

go niners.

fuck the packers.

see you in the playoffs.

well played Rodgers.

[WERDdabuilder]

dope, schaub out for the season. titans can capitalize on this but knowing them....they wont.

http://images.ibsrv.net/ibsrv/res/src:honda-tech.com/get//images/smilies/embeer.gif here's to hoping the titans can though.

[One_love_silvia]

go niners.

fuck the packers.

see you in the playoffs.

well played Rodgers.


^ hating because his team actually HAS a loss. :keke:

[DJDANGER24]

^ hating because his team actually HAS a loss. :keke:

it's all fun and games until your team loses, then shit gets personal bro :cj:

[One_love_silvia]

it's all fun and games until your team loses, then shit gets personal bro :cj:

haha i know. its scary as fuck when your team is undefeated.

i dont think the packers are going 16-0 though. so im expecting a loss.

[exitspeed]

I don't think the Packers will go undefeated. It's just too hard of a task. I'd LOVE to see it happen though.

We've won 15 straight as of right now.

[Daniel.]

I don't think the Packers will go undefeated. It's just too hard of a task. I'd LOVE to see it happen though.

We've won 15 straight as of right now.

I'd love to see them do it too. It'd be an amazing accomplishment.

[WERDdabuilder]

http://www.socialsounder.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/tebow-jesus1.jpg

[revat619]

I'll probably get shit for this but whatever...

I think it's pretty lame how the media wants Tebow to fail SOOO BAD and yet when he doesn't and they cant figure out why, they stoop to making fun of his religion and mocking the fact that he kneels and prays. All this campaigning for tolerance and yet our media openly mocks a guy for his lifestyle choices and nobody says shit about it. Tolerance? What a joke... :rolleyes:

[Daniel.]

A good article on Tebow.

Tebow believes in miracles, and maybe he (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tebow-believes-in-miracles-and-maybe-he-8217-s?urn=nfl-wp12079)

At this point, even the most extreme doubters have to be impressed. Or, at the very least, willing to come off their perches for a second to take another look at the Tim Tebow(notes) phenomenon as more of a football matter and less a referendum on religion, politics, spirituality, and whether the 'good guys' really do win.
When Tebow led his Denver Broncos to an improbable 17-13 win over the New York Jets on Thursday night in the Mile High City, the syntax finally felt right. People have been far too quick to attribute too much or too little credit to Tebow for the Broncos' recent success based on their own feelings for the hype, but it was Tebow who set the Broncos on course for a game-winning 95-yard drive. It was also Tebow who ran for a 20-yard touchdown when the Jets went against type and blitzed a quarterback they had to know was probably going to run.
Basically, Tebow proved that he is a matchup problem — just not in the traditional way you'd expect of an NFL quarterback. On the 12-play sojourn that ended with 1:06 left in the game, Tebow ran the ball six times for a total of 57 yards. You can know what he's going to do, and what he's going to do can't be stopped consistently — that's been proven. For Tebow, as you'd expect, the message after the game was more than about the game.

"It is very exciting and we're excited about the wins that we've been able to put together," he told the NFL Network after the game. "I love it and I care about it. But the greatest thing with this sport and with the NFL is we have such a platform, and we can take that platform and we can influence the next generation. That is honestly my passion. This week we got to announce that I was building a hospital in the Philippines. This game means a lot but that hospital means more to me because that's changing peoples' lives. That's giving people faith, hope and love, and that's more important.
"My ultimate goal with this, with playing football, is to be a great role model that a parent can look at their son and say, 'That's someone that is trying to do it the right way; he's not perfect but everyday he's trying to get better, he's trying to honor God, do the right thing, do what's right and do his best.'"
Some will certainly cringe, more at what the media has made of the Tebow Brand than anything the man himself says, but in a football sense, the second-year quarterback hit on an important point. He's not perfect, but there are ways in which he's able to make things work. Tebow said after the game that that last drive was less about matchups, though - -he's a firm believer in the intangibles of the game, especially when they matter most. "We got in the huddle and we just said that this is an opportunity where great things can happen, and let's be great right now. That was our focus and everybody believed, and we went out there and we achieved it. But it was because of our faith, and our relentlessness. We're just going to keep fighting."

It's been said that with the way he plays, Tebow has managed to prove everyone right who has an opinion of him. The detractors will say that he has very limited ability at the quarterback position, especially when you consider what's generally required at the NFL level. And in completing just nine passes in 20 attempts for 104 yards, he showed once again that he's not near where he needs to be as a pure passer.
However, the true believers -- and this is where they seem to have a point — will tell you that the kid will find a way to win, no matter what. The Broncos are 4-1 under Tebow, and though it took some ridiculous red zone defensive concepts in Miami and a busted assignment on a blitz against the Jets for it to happen, Tebow has indeed proven the ability to rise to the occasion.
Winning ugly? The Broncos will take it.

"I've said it before: I trust him," rookie endbacker Von Miller said. "I trust him with everything. No matter how many interceptions he throws, no matter how many touchdowns he throws, that's Tim Tebow. I'm going to ride with him until the end.
"I hope he shut up a whole bunch of critics today."

At the very least, Tebow certainly extended the argument.

[DJDANGER24]

One thing that I will note that bothers me with this Tebow situation, what is it with criticis/analysts stating he's not an NFL level QB? I mean, the guys is CLEARLY winning games for the Broncos, i think that's NFL level. Wether your simply a pocket passer, scrambler, short gain passer, it doesn't matter. If you could win in the NFL, your obviously NFL level. They dont need to hate on the guy just because he's not your typical Brady/Brees/Rodgers QB. Division rival or not, Broncos have something that seems to be working, commend them for that. And Tebow's got a great ability to not get bothered by all the BS, cool dude in my book.

[Daniel.]

One thing that I will note that bothers me with this Tebow situation, what is it with criticis/analysts stating he's not an NFL level QB? I mean, the guys is CLEARLY winning games for the Broncos, i think that's NFL level. Wether your simply a pocket passer, scrambler, short gain passer, it doesn't matter. If you could win in the NFL, your obviously NFL level. They dont need to hate on the guy just because he's not your typical Brady/Brees/Rodgers QB. Division rival or not, Broncos have something that seems to be working, commend them for that. And Tebow's got a great ability to not get bothered by all the BS, cool dude in my book.

The problem with the type of offense the Broncos are playing is that it's not sustainable. Their offense was shutdown for 95% of the game. Once teams really figure out how to stop them, it's over.

Just look at the Dolphins and their proliferation of the Wildcat offense a few years back. It won them some games, but once teams figured it out, they got shut down.

I agree that Tebow is an athlete at the NFL level, and that he doesn't fit the typical mold for what an NFL level quarterback should be, but he's not exactly going to equate to a long term 10 year solution for a football franchise.

P.S. No one is knocking the guy personally. He's actually a really great role model outside of football. Just read the article I posted.

[Broadfield]

^^^^You are spot on!

[DJDANGER24]

The problem with the type of offense the Broncos are playing is that it's not sustainable. Their offense was shutdown for 95% of the game. Once teams really figure out how to stop them, it's over.

Just look at the Dolphins and their proliferation of the Wildcat offense a few years back. It won them some games, but once teams figured it out, they got shut down.

I agree that Tebow is an athlete at the NFL level, and that he doesn't fit the typical mold for what an NFL level quarterback should be, but he's not exactly going to equate to a long term 10 year solution for a football franchise.

P.S. No one is knocking the guy personally. He's actually a really great role model outside of football. Just read the article I posted.

I understand that it seems unsustainable now because it's not the norm. As long as they win, I see them sticking with that game plan which is a smart move. Why try something different and force him to be a passer? They know he's going to tuck and run the majority of the time. Defenses know what he's going to do, but it's hard to stop him all the time and like yesterday showed, 95% of the time wasn't enough.

Him being a 10 year solution to a franchise does not seem smart at the moment, but i think at the end of the season, there would be more evidence to truly asses what he can do for them in the long run. There's no telling what this guy could do in the second half of the season.

Yea, I read the article. Cool dude, my hats off to the guy for what he's doing off the field.

[Daniel.]

I understand that it seems unsustainable now because it's not the norm. As long as they win, I see them sticking with that game plan which is a smart move. Why try something different and force him to be a passer? They know he's going to tuck and run the majority of the time. Defenses know what he's going to do, but it's hard to stop him all the time and like yesterday showed, 95% of the time wasn't enough.

Him being a 10 year solution to a franchise does not seem smart at the moment, but i think at the end of the season, there would be more evidence to truly asses what he can do for them in the long run. There's no telling what this guy could do in the second half of the season.

Yea, I read the article. Cool dude, my hats off to the guy for what he's doing off the field.

No one is trying to force him to be different. Jon Fox is quoted as saying that if Tim were in a regular NFL passing offense he'd be screwed. Fox scrapped half of his playbook when Tebow started. No one is forcing him to be a pocket passer. What they're saying is that for long term success, Tebow will need to develop NFL caliber passing skills which he clearly doesn't have.

I'd like to reiterate my previous point, that at this point in the season most other teams are not well prepared to deal with the Broncos type of offense. Defenses haven't got enough plays in the book, and havent dedicated enough time throughout the season to be effective against the run/option 100% of the time.

The end of the season, and next season will tell a different story. Case in point is this article on the Wildcat offense. Wildcat formation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wildcat_formation). Scroll down and read the section where the Patriots stuffed the Dolphins on their second divisional game.

What happened with the Wildcat is exactly what's happening with Tebow right now.

I sense that what you're arguing here is that there is a place in the current NFL passing paradigm to accommodate a Tebow offense and that it could shift our current paradigm in that direction permanently. I agree with the first part in that there is a place for it, but not for long. The second part, I completely disagree with. It's going to take a lot more to change NFL offenses as they are today than just one talented athlete.

[exitspeed]

10 and 0 BABY!

[revat619]

Chargers.....:rolleyes:

I'm a die hard fan, but i fucking hate this team. If that makes any sense...

On another note, i 110% believe I could do just as good a job at corner back as Antoine Cason. Seriously. How is this guy starting in the NFL? I mean really, if he's a starter, i picked the wrong goddamn sport to pursue a career in. FML.

[Phlip]

The last time I was THIS excited about a 49ers team, I was gambling a 10th grade honors English project on the 1995 superbowl.
Got a 93 on the project and the Niners are 9-1 now.
FUCK yeah!!!

[KiLLeR2001]

9-1!!! Niners!

[Daniel.]

My Niners are making me so proud right nowl I love you guys.

[WERDdabuilder]

no run game to help the passing game for titans. locker came in and looked great throwing for 2TDs. colin mccarthy better start over that bum ass barrett ruud next week.

[exitspeed]

11-0! Go Pack GO!

[theronin]

:(

my poor niners.

[ALTRNTV]

The Raiders are 7-4 and are still on top of the AFC West. :)

[revat619]

The Raiders are 7-4 and are still on top of the AFC West. :)

Raiders are gonna win the division and i'm not even mad at it.

In other news, can the Chargers PLEASE FUCKING FIRE NORV TURNER AND AJ SMITH. I mean seriously, what's it gonna take?! Losing to the broncos.....6 straight loses...WTF. I hate this team. :madfawk:

[ALTRNTV]

Raiders are gonna win the division and i'm not even mad at it.

In other news, can the Chargers PLEASE FUCKING FIRE NORV TURNER AND AJ SMITH. I mean seriously, what's it gonna take?! Losing to the broncos.....6 straight loses...WTF. I hate this team. :madfawk:
Jay... breathe.. at least you got the Lakers back. :kiss:

[revat619]

Jay... breathe.. at least you got the Lakers back. :kiss:

*breathing slowing back to normal*

oh yeah, you're right. thanks i needed that. lol :rawk:

[Daniel.]

Yeah, +1 to that man. The Chargers are severely disappointing me this year. :(

I also think it's time for Norv to go.

[KiLLeR2001]

Tebowned.

msglength

[WERDdabuilder]

CJ finally showed up. nasty game but a win is a win.

oh...whats up divac
SmT_28N4_Mo

[MrMcgarrett]

Giants lose their third game in a row :picardfp:

[exitspeed]

12-0! hell yeah!

[KiLLeR2001]

Niners baby! I'm predicting 12-4 finishing this season up.

[Daniel.]

Jason Garrett is so fucking awesome.

Major LOLS.

[Riq]

Why are the Dolphins making sure that we have no qtrback for the next 10 years? What is the point of winning any games now? Indy has the right idea, suck for Luck like a muthaf#@$&. I have never in my 24 years of being a Dolphin fan been this sad to be one. Hell I was more upbeat in our 1-15 season. To make it worse, I expect them to draft another linemen since im sure management thinks that Matt Moore is the second coming of Jay Feidler. For those that don't know, Jay Feidler was like Mark Sanchez but Mark has more upside. Dolphins suck, lets go NBA season :(



Oh and LMAO @ Jason Garrett icing his own kicker. What a terrible excuse after the game. I have now become a huge Tim Tebow fan, alot of people are steaming over yet anothet Tebow win. The guy is straight clutch

[exitspeed]

Oh yeah, almost forgot. 13 and 0!

[Broadfield]

I got to thinking about this whole Tim Tebow thing. I never really got to see many of his games since the Denver games are never televised in my area, but obviously got my first good view of him when they played my Bears team on Sunday. He's not good, plain and simple. Sure, he comes back in the 4th quarter, but here's my take on that... especially after seeing him against the Bears. The Bears defense absolutely shut him down for three quarters.... 30 some passing percentage, zero points. Then like most teams with the lead, they went into a prevent defense in the 4th. Which this is why I believe his passing percentage is so much better in the 4th quarter. They are always behind and the opposing teams go into prevent defense... which I never understood. The Bears D was destroying him all game... why not continue to do what has worked all game??? So the Bears allowed him to complete the garbage plays, easy passes down the middle of the field all of the 4th quarter. He finally capitalized on the Bears with 2 minutes left when a coverage was blown... that's fine, it happens. Cudos to him for picking that up. Bears recover the onside kick and they simply needed to run the clock out for the easy win. For some reason, that no one can explain, Marion Barber decides to run out of bounce. It would of been game over with Denver having no timeouts. So there is no way I can give Tebow credit for this win... the Bears(I mean Barber) literally handed him an early Christmas present. Not to mention the fact that this game would of been a blowout with Cutler and Forte on the offense. I'm so pissed right now!

[KiLLeR2001]

I'm still trying to figure out how Rex Grossman got the Bears to the superbowl in '06, goddamn he sucked.

[Phlip]

The funniest thing about Tebow Mania is that NO ONE is mentioning the fact that they've not yet played a team that they will see in the AFC playoffs. NOT ONE!
In the playoffs, they will see New England, Pittsburgh and/or Baltimore (and to a Lesser extent) the Texans, all of whom play defense that might make that dude cry and the first two with offenses that will make the comeback nigh impossible, as 30 points is nothing to them. Denver plays New England on Sunday and their only real saving grace is that it is in Denver.

[exitspeed]

I got to thinking about this whole Tim Tebow thing. I never really got to see many of his games since the Denver games are never televised in my area, but obviously got my first good view of him when they played my Bears team on Sunday. He's not good, plain and simple. Sure, he comes back in the 4th quarter, but here's my take on that... especially after seeing him against the Bears. The Bears defense absolutely shut him down for three quarters.... 30 some passing percentage, zero points. Then like most teams with the lead, they went into a prevent defense in the 4th. Which this is why I believe his passing percentage is so much better in the 4th quarter. They are always behind and the opposing teams go into prevent defense... which I never understood. The Bears D was destroying him all game... why not continue to do what has worked all game??? So the Bears allowed him to complete the garbage plays, easy passes down the middle of the field all of the 4th quarter. He finally capitalized on the Bears with 2 minutes left when a coverage was blown... that's fine, it happens. Cudos to him for picking that up. Bears recover the onside kick and they simply needed to run the clock out for the easy win. For some reason, that no one can explain, Marion Barber decides to run out of bounce. It would of been game over with Denver having no timeouts. So there is no way I can give Tebow credit for this win... the Bears(I mean Barber) literally handed him an early Christmas present. Not to mention the fact that this game would of been a blowout with Cutler and Forte on the offense. I'm so pissed right now!

That's a whole lotta what-ifs man. I don't think Tebow deserves all the credit for the win, but the Bears needed to put up more points. And honestly, they weren't all that good with Cutler and Forte in.

I'm still trying to figure out how Rex Grossman got the Bears to the superbowl in '06, goddamn he sucked.

That Bears Superbowl team was the most over-rated, luckiest Superbowl team ever.

And while I know I sound like a typical Packer fan hating on the bears (they still suck), but really they aren't all that good. I mean, if your tram goes from decent to garbage because of two players being out, then you weren't that good to begin with. Look at the Colts. The Packers won out, and won the Super Bowl last year with 14 guys on IR. Jennings is out, and I'm honestly not even worried about it. Yeah, he's the shit, but now Finley, Crabtree, Smith, etc all get a chance to step up even harder.

[Phlip]

That's a whole lotta what-ifs man. I don't think Tebow deserves all the credit for the win, but the Bears needed to put up more points. And honestly, they weren't all that good with Cutler and Forte in.

The Bears - specifically Marion Barber - beat themselves.
Going out of bounds to stop the clock when Denver had no timeouts and the fumble were game changers.
I can't take it away from Tebow for capitalizing on them, but the Bears beat themselves.

[tricky_ab]

The funniest thing about Tebow Mania is that NO ONE is mentioning the fact that they've not yet played a team that they will see in the AFC playoffs. NOT ONE!
In the playoffs, they will see New England, Pittsburgh and/or Baltimore (and to a Lesser extent) the Texans, all of whom play defense that might make that dude cry and the first two with offenses that will make the comeback nigh impossible, as 30 points is nothing to them. Denver plays New England on Sunday and their only real saving grace is that it is in Denver.

THANK YOU!!! I totally agree...He has the shittiest throwing motion in the NFL this year! Can Tebow hit a receiver beyond 20 yards on a consistent basis?

NO! The reason they are winning is because Tebow doesn't turn the ball over, and their D was playing better before last week.

I can't wait till Denver plays a proper team and they get Hulk smashed...
I'd love to see Denver try to option run all day against the Niners.

[Phlip]

I can't wait till Denver plays a proper team and they get Hulk smashed...
I'd love to see Denver try to option run all day against the Niners.

I’d love to see them try that shit against the “decapitate em Sunday and pay the fines Tuesday” Steelers, or to try their hand at coming back from 40+ down against the Patriots, personally. THEN we will realize that they’ve eeked out wins against the likes of the Dolphins (fired coach), Chiefs (likewise), Chargers (will be next, lol), Vikings, Jets and Bears and handled the Raiders.
After being impaled by the Lions when people still thought they were good, they had the schedule you WANT a QB like Tebow to have to endure, if only for momentum and confidence, lol

[revat619]

Whether you like him or not, the guy wins games. Granted, this last one was more about the Bears losing it than him actually winning it. BUT again, he doesn't turn the ball over and he capitalizes on the mistakes the other teams makes. Yeah he plays shitty sometimes, but there's no denying that the dude is money under pressure. I don't think he'll win against the Pats, but given the amount of scrutiny he's been under and the amount of success he's had, i can't help but support the guy

Considering how much shit everybody talked about him NEVER being able to be an NFL quarterback, i'd say he's doing a pretty damn good job. The thing people keep forgetting is that all of his "flaws" are totally correctable. Give him time.

[Phlip]

No, not denying that he has not been rattled under pressure and pulled his team through in situations that most others would not have. My only doubts are the people crowning him as that next big thing without considering the competition he has actually faced. It will be a different ballgame when he faces better defenses and competent coaches. I don’t dislike the guy just to be disliking him, I dislike the fans of his totally unwilling to be objective about him. I never said he wouldn’t be an NFL quarterback, I have only doubted whether these recue tricks and hero ball would work in the playoffs or even against a playoff caliber team, and I still contend that it won’t.

[Broadfield]

That's a whole lotta what-ifs man. I don't think Tebow deserves all the credit for the win, but the Bears needed to put up more points. And honestly, they weren't all that good with Cutler and Forte in.



That Bears Superbowl team was the most over-rated, luckiest Superbowl team ever.

And while I know I sound like a typical Packer fan hating on the bears (they still suck), but really they aren't all that good. I mean, if your tram goes from decent to garbage because of two players being out, then you weren't that good to begin with. Look at the Colts. The Packers won out, and won the Super Bowl last year with 14 guys on IR. Jennings is out, and I'm honestly not even worried about it. Yeah, he's the shit, but now Finley, Crabtree, Smith, etc all get a chance to step up even harder.

Really, because they were scoring 32 points per game before Cutler went out and now 10 points per game without him in there. On top of that, the 3 teams that they are scoring 10 points per game on are not good teams. If Cutler was still in there they would be 10-3... easily. They almost won all three of the last games with a horrible QB. If you actually watched the Bears play you would realize how important Cutler is to the team. He has no receivers and no line. He makes shit happen when it's improbable. You are bashing on a team that you are uneducated on.... yep, typical Packers fan.

[revat619]

No, not denying that he has not been rattled under pressure and pulled his team through in situations that most others would not have. My only doubts are the people crowning him as that next big thing without considering the competition he has actually faced. It will be a different ballgame when he faces better defenses and competent coaches. I don’t dislike the guy just to be disliking him, I dislike the fans of his totally unwilling to be objective about him. I never said he wouldn’t be an NFL quarterback, I have only doubted whether these recue tricks and hero ball would work in the playoffs or even against a playoff caliber team, and I still contend that it won’t.

Agreed.:bow:

[exitspeed]

Really, because they were scoring 32 points per game before Cutler went out and now 10 points per game without him in there. On top of that, the 3 teams that they are scoring 10 points per game on are not good teams. If Cutler was still in there they would be 10-3... easily. They almost won all three of the last games with a horrible QB. If you actually watched the Bears play you would realize how important Cutler is to the team. He has no receivers and no line. He makes shit happen when it's improbable. You are bashing on a team that you are uneducated on.... yep, typical Packers fan.

I actually watch almost every Bears game.

[Broadfield]

I actually watch almost every Bears game.

Well then you should be smart enough to know that if you put Caleb Hanie in place of your beloved Aaron Rogers, you would probably lose almost every game! One player DOES make the difference when it's your QB.... he touches the ball every single offensive snap. I'm pretty sure the Colts and Bears prove that point.... both easy playoff teams with their starting QB, can't win a game without them.

[exitspeed]

I realize the QB is the biggest factor...I'm saying Cutler wasn't that good to begin with. He just isn't on the level of Brady, Manning, Rodgers, etc. The Bears may be a play-off team with him, but they aren't a Super Bowl contender. I think he's capable of winning (more then any of the dozen or more QB's you guys have had in the last like 10 years), but he's not an elite QB.

Now I'm not sayin the Packers couldn't lose to the Bears just as easy. A division game against the Bears is always a challenge.

[Broadfield]

And honestly, they weren't all that good with Cutler (they still suck), but really they aren't all that good.

The Bears may be a play-off team with him. Now I'm not sayin the Packers couldn't lose to the Bears just as easy.

LOL, so wait a minute... they suck with Cutler, or they could be a playoff team and beat your Packers?:confused:

I take it you're a stats guy!?! Do you really think Rogers would do any better with the line and receivers that Cutler has? Really, do think he could. Because I'm pretty sure whether it's Cutler hitting a Bears receiver in the numbers and him dropping it would be the same outcome as Rogers hitting a Bears receiver in the numbers and him dropping it. What Cutler has done, given what he has to work with, is actually pretty damn impressive.

One other thing... can you name an "elite" quarter back that doesn't have an elite receiver or at least a legitimate #1 tiered receiver? We won't even talk about having multiple elite receivers... Green Bay *** cough *** Packers:)

[exitspeed]

LOL, so wait a minute... they suck with Cutler, or they could be a playoff team and beat your Packers?:confused:

I take it you're a stats guy!?! Do you really think Rogers would do any better with the line and receivers that Cutler has? Really, do think he could. Because I'm pretty sure whether it's Cutler hitting a Bears receiver in the numbers and him dropping it would be the same outcome as Rogers hitting a Bears receiver in the numbers and him dropping it. What Cutler has done, given what he has to work with, is actually pretty damn impressive.

One other thing... can you name an "elite" quarter back that doesn't have an elite receiver or at least a legitimate #1 tiered receiver? We won't even talk about having multiple elite receivers... Green Bay *** cough *** Packers:)

I'm not really a stats only guy. Rodgers has a presence, a cool, a confidence about him that Cutler never will.

I think the bigger story here is not so much QB VS QB it's more the fact that the Packers just have an outstanding, talented, and DEEP football team.

[Daniel.]

I hate Cutler. He's got that forever constipated look.

[exitspeed]

And have you forgot about this already?
http://images.covers.com/editorial/2011/383x165/jay_cutler012411.jpg
Bad beats: Hurt or not, Cutler quit on the Bears - 01-24-2011 (http://www.covers.com/articles/articles.aspx?theArt=220532)

You'll never see Rodgers, Favre, Manning, etc on the sidelines with that kind of demeanor during a play-off game after they get injured. The Bears needed their leader mentally, not just physically.

[Broadfield]

And have you forgot about this already?

You'll never see Rodgers, Favre, Manning, etc on the sidelines with that kind of demeanor during a play-off game after they get injured. The Bears needed their leader mentally, not just physically.

Christ, you're not one of those guys are you? You have been reading too many Tweets. The only people that know how good of a leader Cutler is, are the Bears and Cutler... and they all say he's a great leader. And how do you know you wouldn't see those other guys look like that in that situation? They have never been in a NFC/AFC Championship game then injured and out for the rest of the game. Unless of course you are best friends with Rogers and you know him better than I do!?!

You never answered my question: do you think Rogers would really get the Bears to a better record than Cutler?

Edit: You also never named an "elite" QB that doesn't have an elite #1 receiver?

[One_love_silvia]

LOL, so wait a minute... they suck with Cutler, or they could be a playoff team and beat your Packers?:confused:

I take it you're a stats guy!?! Do you really think Rogers would do any better with the line and receivers that Cutler has? Really, do think he could. Because I'm pretty sure whether it's Cutler hitting a Bears receiver in the numbers and him dropping it would be the same outcome as Rogers hitting a Bears receiver in the numbers and him dropping it. What Cutler has done, given what he has to work with, is actually pretty damn impressive.

One other thing... can you name an "elite" quarter back that doesn't have an elite receiver or at least a legitimate #1 tiered receiver? We won't even talk about having multiple elite receivers... Green Bay *** cough *** Packers:)
apparently you havent seen matt flynn (our back up) play. even HE wrecks shit. sure, a QB can make a team, just as a team can make a QB. however, the packers are an elite TEAM with an elite QB. we having amazing WR's, linebackers, linemen, safeties, and cornerbacks. even our kickers are amazing.

the packers right now are just a team full of amazing players, and i couldn't be more proud of my team.

[exitspeed]

Christ, you're not one of those guys are you? You have been reading too many Tweets. The only people that know how good of a leader Cutler is, are the Bears and Cutler... and they all say he's a great leader. And how do you know you wouldn't see those other guys look like that in that situation? They have never been in a NFC/AFC Championship game then injured and out for the rest of the game. Unless of course you are best friends with Rogers and you know him better than I do!?!

I don't even get twitter. lol. But come on dude, I can't believe you have so much faith in him. He is a DECENT QB at best. I know you guys haven't had one of those for AGES, but seriously, he isn't THAT good.


You never answered my question: do you think Rogers would really get the Bears to a better record than Cutler?

100% absolutely. But not as good of a record as the Packers. Like I said, the Packers are a far better team.

We should go have an Italian Beef at Al's and talk about this in person. lol

[Daniel.]

Christ, you're not one of those guys are you? You have been reading too many Tweets. The only people that know how good of a leader Cutler is, are the Bears and Cutler... and they all say he's a great leader. And how do you know you wouldn't see those other guys look like that in that situation? They have never been in a NFC/AFC Championship game then injured and out for the rest of the game. Unless of course you are best friends with Rogers and you know him better than I do!?!

You never answered my question: do you think Rogers would really get the Bears to a better record than Cutler?

Edit: You also never named an "elite" QB that doesn't have an elite #1 receiver?



I know for sure that Rogers or Brady would never act like a petulant child on the sidelines the way Cutler has, historically. Anyone remember when the Bears played the Eagles in '09 and McNabb had to talk to him to calm him down?

I know for a fact that players like Peyton Manning, Rogers and Brady who are a cut above the rest, elevate those around them. They're one of the rare types of athletes/leaders that just make everyone on the team BETTER.

You don't need to be a player on the Bears to see these things man. It's obvious.

[exitspeed]

I know for sure that Rogers or Brady would never act like a petulant child on the sidelines the way Cutler has, historically. Anyone remember when the Bears played the Eagles in '09 and McNabb had to talk to him to calm him down?

I know for a fact that players like Peyton Manning, Rogers and Brady who are a cut above the rest, elevate those around them. They're one of the rare types of athletes/leaders that just make everyone on the team BETTER.

You don't need to be a player on the Bears to see these things man. It's obvious.

Thank you. That is a very good way to put it. I wasn't finding the words.

[Broadfield]

I know for sure that Rogers or Brady would never act like a petulant child on the sidelines the way Cutler has, historically. Anyone remember when the Bears played the Eagles in '09 and McNabb had to talk to him to calm him down?

I know for a fact that players like Peyton Manning, Rogers and Brady who are a cut above the rest, elevate those around them. They're one of the rare types of athletes/leaders that just make everyone on the team BETTER.

You don't need to be a player on the Bears to see these things man. It's obvious.

Really, because did you see the expressions on Peyton Manning's face last year when they were losing in the playoffs? It was some ugly stuff.... he was pouting pretty badly. He doesn't exactly have a happy look on his face anyway:

Manning Face (http://www.manningface.com/)

Anyway, who gives a shit what a guy looks like on the sideline. If he plays hard and is a leader to his teammates, as told by his teammates, then that is all I care about. Help his team win games, that's all you can ask. Do you guys happen to listen to Bears AM sports radio everyday throughout the day? I do, and you can learn a hell of a lot more about the individual players and team than what you see on FOX sports etc. If you want to believe everything you see on TV then go right ahead... I prefer to hear more of the truth. And before you say: but yeah, Bears sports talk radio is biased... it's actually the opposite. The AM radio personalities are the Bears toughest critics. Anyway, carry on. I have better stuff to do... like play the new BF3 maps:D

What is AL's by-the-way? And where.... I'm a sandwich whore!

[Daniel.]

Really, because did you see the expressions on Peyton Manning's face last year when they were losing in the playoffs? It was some ugly stuff.... he was pouting pretty badly. He doesn't exactly have a happy look on his face anyway:

Manning Face (http://www.manningface.com/)

Anyway, who gives a shit what a guy looks like on the sideline. If he plays hard and is a leader to his teammates, as told by his teammates, then that is all I care about. Help his team win games, that's all you can ask. Do you guys happen to listen to Bears AM sports radio everyday throughout the day? I do, and you can learn a hell of a lot more about the individual players and team than what you see on FOX sports etc. If you want to believe everything you see on TV then go right ahead... I prefer to hear more of the truth. And before you say: but yeah, Bears sports talk radio is biased... it's actually the opposite. The AM radio personalities are the Bears toughest critics. Anyway, carry on. I have better stuff to do... like play the new BF3 maps:D

What is AL's by-the-way? And where.... I'm a sandwich whore!

Expressions are NOT indicative of overall behavior and personality. Especially in this case. Manning's expressions are ridiculous at times, but he doesn't act like a child. He doesn't throw fits.
Moreover, he's a leader and proven winner (How many times has Manning won the MVP award, and doesn't he have a championship?). Even the best of us get frustrated at times. It's how you rise above it that sets you apart. I can't say the same about Cutler. he seems to always have a stick up his ass.

I wholeheartedly disagree that sideline behavior isn't important. As a Quarterback instilling confidence and leadership are absolute requirements to being great. It's what separates the good from the great. If Cutler had those intangibles, who knows what the Bears would be capable of?

And what about Brady and Rogers? You totally ignored them. They are also proven winners, who've demonstrated leadership and an ability to inspire their fellow teammates without all the funny faces.

[exitspeed]

Really, because did you see the expressions on Peyton Manning's face last year when they were losing in the playoffs? It was some ugly stuff.... he was pouting pretty badly. He doesn't exactly have a happy look on his face anyway:

Manning Face (http://www.manningface.com/)

Anyway, who gives a shit what a guy looks like on the sideline. If he plays hard and is a leader to his teammates, as told by his teammates, then that is all I care about. Help his team win games, that's all you can ask. Do you guys happen to listen to Bears AM sports radio everyday throughout the day? I do, and you can learn a hell of a lot more about the individual players and team than what you see on FOX sports etc. If you want to believe everything you see on TV then go right ahead... I prefer to hear more of the truth. And before you say: but yeah, Bears sports talk radio is biased... it's actually the opposite. The AM radio personalities are the Bears toughest critics. Anyway, carry on. I have better stuff to do... like play the new BF3 maps:D

What is AL's by-the-way? And where.... I'm a sandwich whore!

Well I AM in WI so Daaaaa Bears are discussed quite a bit here as I'm sure the Packers are discussed quite a bit on Bears radio.

Oh and Al's Italian Beef.Chicago. Famous place. Al's Beef - Chicago's #1 Italian Beef Franchise (http://www.alsbeef.com/) I've only been to Portillo's for beef, but been meaning to get down there at some point for an Al's.

[Broadfield]

Expressions are NOT indicative of overall behavior and personality. Especially in this case. Manning's expressions are ridiculous at times, but he doesn't act like a child. He doesn't throw fits.
Moreover, he's a leader and proven winner (How many times has Manning won the MVP award, and doesn't he have a championship?). Even the best of us get frustrated at times. It's how you rise above it that sets you apart. I can't say the same about Cutler. he seems to always have a stick up his ass.

I wholeheartedly disagree that sideline behavior isn't important. As a Quarterback instilling confidence and leadership are absolute requirements to being great. It's what separates the good from the great. If Cutler had those intangibles, who knows what the Bears would be capable of?

And what about Brady and Rogers? You totally ignored them. They are also proven winners, who've demonstrated leadership and an ability to inspire their fellow teammates without all the funny faces.

I feel like it's beating a dead horse with you guys. So you see Cutler on TV and that's how you base what kind of person he is? Why not ask his teammates if he instills confidence and leadership? I mean really, you are just going to go by what you see him doing on the sideline? I am going to take myself as a very good example: People always think that I look like I'm in a bad mood. That's just my standard expression. However, I don't know that I have ever been in a bad mood. I have a really good life, wife, job, kids, house, family, dogs, employees etc. etc. I'm really laid back and always up for whatever. If you can find someone that knows Cutler and says that he's a bad leader then I will give you some credit.

[exitspeed]

I feel like it's beating a dead horse with you guys. So you see Cutler on TV and that's how you base what kind of person he is? Why not ask his teammates if he instills confidence and leadership? I mean really, you are just going to go by what you see him doing on the sideline?

Yeah, it's just beating a dead horse. Just saying though, I don't think there is a single NFL expert that would put Cutler in the same category as Rodgers. I would be willing to bet that most of the Bears players don't think he's in the same category. If they had a anonymous poll and asked them if they'd rather have Cutler as their QB or Rodgers, most I would assume would take Rodgers. If they were being honest with themselves. I mean maybe some would say Cutler, but it would be them being biased, which I guess you can't fault them for either.

Let me ask you...who would you rather have as the Bears QB? Cutler or Rodgers. lol

[Broadfield]

Yeah, it's just beating a dead horse. Just saying though, I don't think there is a single NFL expert that would put Cutler in the same category as Rodgers. I would be willing to bet that most of the Bears players don't think he's in the same category. If they had a anonymous poll and asked them if they'd rather have Cutler as their QB or Rodgers, most I would assume would take Rodgers. If they were being honest with themselves. I mean maybe some would say Cutler, but it would be them being biased, which I guess you can't fault them for either.

Let me ask you...who would you rather have as the Bears QB? Cutler or Rodgers. lol

I'm not comparing Rogers to Cutler.... Rogers is a great QB on HIS team. Would he have the numbers that he does if he were the Bears QB? No! Would he have a ring under his belt if he were the Bears QB? No! So if you define an elite QB by rings, playoffs, wins, stats and all of that other crap, then you have to take into account the talent that's around him. My whole point to all of this is not that all of those other QB's aren't great, but you have to factor in what they have around them. Without the other pieces they wouldn't have the #'s. It's hard to evaluate Cutler's potential without having any pieces on offense... that's all I'm trying to say.

[Daniel.]

I'm not comparing Rogers to Cutler.... Rogers is a great QB on HIS team. Would he have the numbers that he does if he were the Bears QB? No! Would he have a ring under his belt if he were the Bears QB? No! So if you define an elite QB by rings, playoffs, wins, stats and all of that other crap, then you have to take into account the talent that's around him. My whole point to all of this is not that all of those other QB's aren't great, but you have to factor in what they have around them. Without the other pieces they wouldn't have the #'s. It's hard to evaluate Cutler's potential without having any pieces on offense... that's all I'm trying to say.

I agree with you on this, but again you're forgetting that some QB's elevate those around them, and push them to excel.

As for the other topic....

Yes, I'm judging EVERY SINGLE PLAYER by the only means that I have available to me. Through mainstream media. That includes radio, TV, and print and web publications.

It's unrealistic to expect any normal person to to have access to a famous athletes. You can't tell me that I can't judge Cutler's leadership (or any other player in professional sports) without talking to his teammates. By that standard neither you nor 60% of the media have any right to judge ANYONE in pro sports.

Most of those pro sports analysts don't even talk directly to any players, yet they still are able to make rational and reasonable evaluations of them.

You and I should be able to do the same.

P.S. Cutler is a little douchebag pussy, who'll never be more than average, his leadership sucks, and his playing is uninspiring.

[exitspeed]

Yeah, that SUCKED. Oh well still best record in the league.

[Gnnr]

The '72 Dolphins can rest easy tonight.

Off to watch the Tebow Bowl, lol

[tricky_ab]

Such great games today!

Funny, Carolina has scored 40 touchdowns this season after scoring just 16 in 2010. It's crazy how bad Clausen was/is.

[WERDdabuilder]

titans not starting Locker today.....

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fire that damn coaching staff.

[KiLLeR2001]

If Niners play good I should win my fantasy and go to the superbowl! I'm so stoked to watch this game I'm getting off early from work. GO NINERS!!!

[Gnnr]

Wow, thats awesome. I'll be rooting for ya! :)

[KiLLeR2001]

Here is what I'm dealing with...

http://tehl33tsite.com/images/fantasySF.jpg

[KiLLeR2001]

Epic. Win.

[theronin]

Niners really put it down last night. very proud.

[Gnnr]

Epic. Win.

Congrats! :bigok:

[Felipe]

lol @ howard tebowing

http://static8.businessinsider.com/image/4eb94a14eab8eaed7800001a/dwight-howard-tebowing.jpg

[KiLLeR2001]

Yes! Niners win and i won my league fantasy superbowl!!!!!!!!!

[fliprayzin240sx]

Tebow magic bubye...you want to beat Denver, load up the box and let him play QB in the pocket.

[Broadfield]

Tebow magic bubye...you want to beat Denver, load up the box and let him play QB in the pocket.

Yeah, I think we can officially put this Tebow mania thing to bed.... it was only a matter of time. I guess Elway knows QB's afterall:D

[Gnnr]

Yeah, I think we can officially put this Tebow mania thing to bed....

Highly doubt it, he'll make some improvements to his game in the off season and ESPN will be all over him again.

[word sux]

can't belive the the jets lost today



they don't deserve to make the playoffs

[WERDdabuilder]

Tebow magic bubye...you want to beat Denver, load up the box and let him play QB in the pocket.

brady took his soul.

[TougeLove]

so are the chargers out?

if denver looses next week and chargers win it will be a 3 way tie!

["His Avatar"]

Tebow is garbage and even god cant help you beat Tom Brady.

Go niners. Hopefully Alex Smith learns harbaugh's system AND becomes a better QB by next season. lol.

[revat619]

so are the chargers out?

if denver looses next week and chargers win it will be a 3 way tie!

IIRC, Chargers are out. They'd have a 3 way tie in overall standings and the divisional record, but after that I think it'd be based on non conference wins and they're dead last in the division in that respect. But i could be wrong...

EDIT: Yeah they're out. It'd be based on common games and the Chargers don't own any tie breakers. The AFC west is between Denver and Oakland.

[exitspeed]

All I want for Christmas is for the Pack to DESTROY....DESTROY the Bears.

Seriously, that's it.