Revised F/S forum "bump" rule....

[racepar1]

I personally think that our 2 bump limit is stupid. I do understand that we have to keep people from bumping all the time, but it's a waste of space and time to have to write 20 threads to sell one item because you're only allowed to bump it twice before it's closed. I propose that the bump rule should be changed to one bump per day, with unlimited bumps on a thread. I see no reason why having to write a new thread would provide any benefit to anyone.

:bigok:

[JRwerks]

+1
msglngthh

[240sx123$]

GREAT idea. Two bump rule is retarded, one bump a day is much more practical.

[holemilk00]

one bump a day is too much, it would be a pissing match for people bumping their threads for the day and extremely hard to track.

[240sx123$]

one bump a day is too much, it would be a pissing match for people bumping their threads for the day and extremely hard to track.

Just my opinion, but why is craigslist better than ebay? Because its a free for all. I can appreciate the need for some restriction, but for the most part I dont see the harm in a bump. Yeah, some threads get bumped back quickly, but it gives buyers the opportunity to find those deals that sometimes get overlooked. If a seller wants to bump his stuff once a day, i dont see that as a problem especially with how fast this forums moves.

And its easy to track. The dates and times are posted above each post.

[OpieDopie]

i agree.. one bump a day..
im not on zilvia every minute of the day to see peoples post and with out the bumps some of the greatest deals get overlooked all the time..

[racepar1]

one bump a day is too much, it would be a pissing match for people bumping their threads for the day and extremely hard to track.

Pretty much every seller on the forum bumps their threads once a day. The forum wouldn't be one single bit more competitive then it already is. The forum would be far less cluttered and take up less memory since there are less threads though.

[holemilk00]

Just my opinion, but why is craigslist better than ebay? Because its a free for all. I can appreciate the need for some restriction, but for the most part I dont see the harm in a bump. Yeah, some threads get bumped back quickly, but it gives buyers the opportunity to find those deals that sometimes get overlooked. If a seller wants to bump his stuff once a day, i dont see that as a problem especially with how fast this forums moves.

And its easy to track. The dates and times are posted above each post.

First off, if you post the same thing for sale on craigslist day after day they will flag it, remove it and it is in violation of the user agreement.

Secondly, right now the classified mod only has to look over the thread to see the number of bumps. If you make it a daily limit, then the mod has to look at every thread and every post and take into account the time and day.

See where that would take more time?

[racepar1]

Secondly, right now the classified mod only has to look over the thread to see the number of bumps. If you make it a daily limit, then the mod has to look at every thread and every post and take into account the time and day.

I don't think it'll take much more time. The F/S moderator still has to look at every thread as it is, just instead of looking at the date of the bump he counts the amount. I don't see any reason to keep track of the time of the bump, just the date. Really if the guy wants to bump his thread at 11 PM and then 1 AM he's not doing himself any good anyways.

My biggest issues with the two bump rule is the hassle of creating thread after thread, and the clutter it creates in the F/S forum. I would think that the biggest benefit for zilvia.net would be the reduction of trash F/S threads. Hell I can't even close my own dead F/S threads anymore like I used to. All thost threads have to take up a considerable amount of memory.

[CrOW]

+1

One bump a day, keeps the doctor away.

[Dninja]

why not 1 bump per week from the threads creation?

[240sx123$]

why not 1 bump per week from the threads creation?

In one week, a thread will fall back 15 pages. I think a bump a day is seldom enough to prevent clutter, but often enough to keep a fast moving, competitive for sale forum.

[racepar1]

In one week, a thread will fall back 15 pages. I think a bump a day is seldom enough to prevent clutter, but often enough to keep a fast moving, competitive for sale forum.

Also that will be MUCH harder for the F/S moderator to keep track of. If you can only bump once a day it's more likely for the F/S moderator to be able to remember and recognize some of the threads that don't belong. In a couple day's time it's unlikely that the moderator would be able to remember which threads look out of place. That'll encourage more people to break the rules and would definitely create more work for the Mod.

I also think that this rule will reduce the need for moderation. If you can bump your thread once a day and not have to hassle with re-writing it then what's the point of breaking the rules? Right now people always try to squeeze in the extra bumps because they're too lazy to re-write their threads, even though it's as easy as copying it and pasting it...

[5pecialist]

It might help to have more subcategories.

[drifter_for_life06]

+1 for once a day

[sickstatus]

i noticed replying to a response it counts as a "bump".

[Drift N Dragg]

i noticed replying to a response it counts as a "bump".

That is not true

Repling to a QUESTION is not a bump.

But Repling as " PM Sent ' or something along those lines are.

[waxball88]

Have you guys ever been to PB nation? They run the same forums as you, they implemented an actual, clickable, bump button that lets you bump every 8 or 12hours. Simply click it and your thread goes to the top, posts are irrelevant i think.

[240sx123$]

^^Thats pretty cool. Would save a LOT of mods time.

[enkei2k]

how many of these threads are there going to be? we have many of these threads of people asking why the bump limit is 2 and it's been covered before here.

http://zilvia.net/f/forum-suggestions-technical-support/338091-why-clutter-up-forums-new-threads.html

http://zilvia.net/f/forum-suggestions-technical-support/330305-bumping-thread.html

http://zilvia.net/f/forum-suggestions-technical-support/235348-bump-limit-f-s-section.html

http://zilvia.net/f/forum-suggestions-technical-support/215827-bump-button.html

http://zilvia.net/f/forum-suggestions-technical-support/212213-marketplace-bumping.html

[vas570sx]

1 bump a day!!!!

[Drift N Dragg]

Have you guys ever been to PB nation? They run the same forums as you, they implemented an actual, clickable, bump button that lets you bump every 8 or 12hours. Simply click it and your thread goes to the top, posts are irrelevant i think.

That is a really good Idea, I will pass it along to the Admins and the ppl in charge.

how many of these threads are there going to be? we have many of these threads of people asking why the bump limit is 2 and it's been covered before here.

http://zilvia.net/f/forum-suggestions-technical-support/338091-why-clutter-up-forums-new-threads.html

http://zilvia.net/f/forum-suggestions-technical-support/330305-bumping-thread.html

http://zilvia.net/f/forum-suggestions-technical-support/235348-bump-limit-f-s-section.html

http://zilvia.net/f/forum-suggestions-technical-support/215827-bump-button.html

http://zilvia.net/f/forum-suggestions-technical-support/212213-marketplace-bumping.html

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[azndoc]

Oh that's cool I didn't know answering questions didn't count as a bump.

Thanks

[azndoc]

Also, I think the bump button is a good idea but should be reserved for premium members and advertisers since they already contribute to the forum and a special perk like that would be nice. It gives incentives for signing up for the $10 a year premium membership also.

Some people might bitch about having to pay $10 just to have the ability to have a bump button, but it helps with the cluster, they're selling shit anyways so what's $10 a year, and I think it helps out the forum.

Good luck

[Drift N Dragg]

Oh that's cool I didn't know answering questions didn't count as a bump.

Thanks

No Problem, Just FYI .. Make sure its a legit answer .. as stated before something signle worded or not really answering is considered a bump.

Also, I think the bump button is a good idea but should be reserved for premium members and advertisers since they already contribute to the forum and a special perk like that would be nice. It gives incentives for signing up for the $10 a year premium membership also.

Some people might bitch about having to pay $10 just to have the ability to have a bump button, but it helps with the cluster, they're selling shit anyways so what's $10 a year, and I think it helps out the forum.

Good luck

Another good Idea, I will be passing this along too.

[racepar1]

Have you guys ever been to PB nation? They run the same forums as you, they implemented an actual, clickable, bump button that lets you bump every 8 or 12hours. Simply click it and your thread goes to the top, posts are irrelevant i think.

Also, I think the bump button is a good idea but should be reserved for premium members and advertisers since they already contribute to the forum and a special perk like that would be nice. It gives incentives for signing up for the $10 a year premium membership also.

Some people might bitch about having to pay $10 just to have the ability to have a bump button, but it helps with the cluster, they're selling shit anyways so what's $10 a year, and I think it helps out the forum.

Good luck

Both are REALLY good ideas guys, thanks for posting them here! I want nothing from this thread but some sort of positive progression on refining the bump rule.

Yes I know there are other threads on this, although I haven't read them. I'm just hoping that this one might help where the others didn't...

[sidewaysil80]

+1 i've seen it brought up alot but nothing has changed. hopefully this time it changes. btw, that bump button sounds like a great idea...hell, i would even become a premium member just to take advantage of it.

[mrmephistopheles]

Get us the info on how to make the bump button happen, and I'd definitely be willing to look into it.

The reasoning behind the bump limit is that I/we got tired of seeing 8 page threads with only one user posting in it saying 'bump!/bump it up!/to the top/etc'.

[Jason913]

Here is a thread I have on pbnation:

!+~+! DM9 with virtue !+~+! FS *$520 shipped to your door* - PbNation (http://www.pbnation.com/showthread.php?t=3509935)

Top left, there is a button that says bump. Every 4 hours, it becomes green to the OP, and they can click it to bump their thread to the top of the forum their item is listed.

Obviously, every 4 hours on here would be chaotic. Once every 24 hours would be awesome.

[drifter_for_life06]

+1 i've seen it brought up alot but nothing has changed. hopefully this time it changes. btw, that bump button sounds like a great idea...hell, i would even become a premium member just to take advantage of it.
x2 I've already contemplated becoming a premium member, but just one more perk would "bump" me towards actually doing it

[waxball88]

If you are going to have the bump button rule i'd say

1. Premium members can bump once every 4/6 hours and regular members every 12/24

If you don't have a difference what is preventing non members from continuously bumping/posting in their threads, which in turn would put premium members at a disadvantage.

[racepar1]

If you are going to have the bump button rule i'd say

1. Premium members can bump once every 4/6 hours and regular members every 12/24

If you don't have a difference what is preventing non members from continuously bumping/posting in their threads, which in turn would put premium members at a disadvantage.

Every 4-6 is too often IMO, I would say 12-16 for premies and 24 for the masses...

[Tougegtr-33]

I completely agree!

[sidewaysil80]

i agree 12/16 for premies, 24 for the rest...mods, what is the process for this actually getting the green light? get it approved by the boss and thats pretty much it? also, will their be any down time with the site while the bump button is being implemented?

[AladdinAlec]

I personally think that our 2 bump limit is stupid. I do understand that we have to keep people from bumping all the time, but it's a waste of space and time to have to write 20 threads to sell one item because you're only allowed to bump it twice before it's closed. I propose that the bump rule should be changed to one bump per day, with unlimited bumps on a thread. I see no reason why having to write a new thread would provide any benefit to anyone.

I like how once, youve made your F/S thread and bumped it twice. Then make a new one after three days, they Warn you for making another F/S thread. Becuase its a duplicate. But your still trying to sell that item so you bump it twice then then wait again and make anew one, then your ass is banned..........

[240sx123$]

I like how once, youve made your F/S thread and bumped it twice. Then make a new one after three days, they Warn you for making another F/S thread. Becuase its a duplicate. But your still trying to sell that item so you bump it twice then then wait again and make anew one, then your ass is banned..........

I mean, the current system just encourages people to be sneaky and creative. Have your friend ask you a question to bump it.. then dont reply for a day. Then when you do answer it, you get another bump. Everyone cheats the system here- thats why the two bump rule is dumb. It encourages people to bypass it, and those who havent figured that out just get frustrated. At least with the new rule, it will be unanimously fair. There wont be any controversy over whether or not something was a bump- it will be plain to see, and with 1 bump a day, its not like you have to be strategic about when you use it. I think one bump a day for everyone, regardless of premie status, is the fairest way to do it while still allowing the moderators to do their job without creating more work for them.

[enkei2k]

I like how once, youve made your F/S thread and bumped it twice. Then make a new one after three days, they Warn you for making another F/S thread. Becuase its a duplicate. But your still trying to sell that item so you bump it twice then then wait again and make anew one, then your ass is banned..........

Please show me where this is the case. I've created the same FS threads exactly after 3 days with no problems (if you want, feel free to see my thread history). I've never been warned about creating a duplicate thread either.

[Corbic]

1 bump a week is more logical. Daily bumping would be way to annoying.

I'd also like to see an end to the relistings too, it makes searching a PITA because one seller has 10 ads for something. It also means I might miss something as I assume locked ads are sold items, but that is not always true.

[sidewaysil80]

have there been any changes made yet or any updates?

[choleaoum]

I was just gonna post this same damn thing, why the fuck do we have a bump rule? This is the only forum I know that has it and that's why I'm barely ever on it..

Get rid of it, I hardly ever want to come here because of that stupid ass rule.

It makes it easier to sell by limiting the amount of bumps per hour rather then NONE at all for 3 days. Those who are too lazy to bump/maintain there thread must not want there product sold!

[usdm180sx]

How about just unlocking threads that have been bumped too many times after 3 days instead of having to start new threads after days? Wouldn't that be better than having to make new for sale threads?

[S-Nation S13]

im all for the new change, lol i honestly started like 5 threads for selling the same sh!t, one per day is good imo

[singlecamslam]

please extend the bump limit, so racerx2k1 can get a break from closing everyones thread.

[Couped_up'd]

I would also be down for a prem. account..if it decreases the bump time limit.

[sidewaysil80]

can any of the mods/admin keep us posted or update us on whether or not anything happening with this?

[SinGarage]

I would also be down for a prem. account..if it decreases the bump time limit.

I would also be interested in premium account if this applies.

[codyace]

please extend the bump limit, so racerx2k1 can get a break from closing everyones thread.

If people want to buy your stuff, they'll find it. 3 bumps is plenty to try and get attention for the items.

[Vatche]

I love the idea of making some progress on this topic. it REALLY is a big deal to all the users of the forum. and because i am one of the many people dealing with the bump rule i thought i would throw in my opinions too :D

I appreciate the time the mods put in.

Get us the info on how to make the bump button happen, and I'd definitely be willing to look into it.

The reasoning behind the bump limit is that I/we got tired of seeing 8 page threads with only one user posting in it saying 'bump!/bump it up!/to the top/etc'.

It is also tiring for the many users who have to deal with the 2 bump rule.

If people want to buy your stuff, they'll find it. 3 bumps is plenty to try and get attention for the items.

I check the for sale and wtb sections constantly and i constantly miss threads that i wish i didnt because they dont get to be bumped enough.

If I constantly check my for sale thread and bump it once daily

and then Mr. 2 checks every other day

and Mr. 3(with 3 posts) checks once a week

The more active user would be rewarded. :D

I see ALOT of threads cluttering up fs section with SOLD parts.

There would be less clutter if one thread was maintained and edited. I feel stupid copy pasting the same for sale thread over and over because i keep it updated instantly upon change.

+1 for the bump button.

I have thought about this bump rule alot and i cant piece together all my thoughts on it in this one post.

Just another small thing is, when a thread gets closed for 3 bumps. I can't copy paste anymore cuz Editing is not allowed.
Also I miss being able to close my own for sale threads, since i have multiples :D

[Imarvin240]

New bump rule +1

[sidewaysil80]

hey mods, any updates?

[thisbelest]

+1 I'm with u on this, sucks having to rewrite another thread

[codyace]

+1 I'm with u on this, sucks having to rewrite another thread

But see, constantly bumping your thread doesn't allow new ones to be seen, and shuffled to the back. In essence, if they immediatly bump their thread, it's going to go back above yours.

I personally can't stand seeing the bump stuff so often..it really clutters sthings up.

Again, there is no reason why anyone looking for stuff cant' go back 3-4 pages to find something posted in the last 24 hours...the constant bumping clutters as much as the 'sold' items not being closed out.

Again, if people want you stuff they'll find it. I've sold things listed months after initial post, and others within the hour.

[sidewaysil80]

ok heres the thing though, you get 2 or 3 bumps period and the thread is locked. then you wait three days (wtf?) and make a new one. how hard would it be to institute "every two day bump rule" or something similiar...their is such a high volume of for sale threads on this site that a thread can go 4-5 pages back over night. granted daily bumps might be crazy, but i firmly believe every other day should be good. not too mention this re evaluation of the bump rule is brought up pretty often and i'm curious why it hasn't/won't be changed considering it seems the majority of the site agree with it...

edit:
on a side note, giving a set # of bumps will be a pain in the ass for the mods. they have to check each thread and actually count the bumps/decide what counted as a bump or not. simply saying daily/every other day bumps would make it easier for them. they would just have to check the dates.

[codyace]

site that a thread can go 4-5 pages back over night. granted daily bumps might be crazy, but i firmly believe every other day should be good. not too mention this re evaluation of the bump rule is brought up pretty often and i'm curious why it hasn't/won't be changed considering it seems the majority of the site agree with it...

That's the issue with it all. 3-5 new pages can appear overnight..and now you want to introduce consistant bumping of old threads to push that number to 5-8 pages??

Fair is fair IMO. By constnatly bumping your thread, you push other's stuff back. Granted everyone wants 'to sell their junk' but to push others stuff back because some members spend 95% of their Zilvia time in the classifieds bumping their stuff, sucks.



'IN theory' I wish there was a way that said 'Ok, you made 10 contibutions to General or Tech sections, you now are allowed 1 bump' or something like that. Would probably help bring general site knowledge 'up' and help everyone out. Granted I know that would probably be impossible (and even if it did work, you can bet people would clutter the 'chassis registry' and 'OMG PICXZ' threads and ruin the idea), but the thought counts.

[Phlip]

That's the issue with it all. 3-5 new pages can appear overnight..and now you want to introduce consistent bumping of old threads to push that number to 5-8 pages??
So far, ONE person seems to understand things being the way they are.
Fair is fair IMO. By constantly bumping your thread, you push other's stuff back. Granted everyone wants 'to sell their junk' but to push others stuff back because some members spend 95% of their Zilvia time in the classifieds bumping their stuff, sucks.
So what you’re saying here is that the system as currently constructed is actually fair?
'IN theory' I wish there was a way that said 'Ok, you made 10 contibutions to General or Tech sections, you now are allowed 1 bump' or something like that. Would probably help bring general site knowledge 'up' and help everyone out. Granted I know that would probably be impossible (and even if it did work, you can bet people would clutter the 'chassis registry' and 'OMG PICXZ' threads and ruin the idea), but the thought counts.
Exactly…
No amount of idiot-proofing has prevented the invention of better idiots. We have the rule in place now where new users have to wait before they get full access to the marketplace and there is already a new thread every other day in spite of information as to why being readily available.


People...
We’re not ignoring this thread – well… we are ignoring the thread in that we’re not responding, but the issue at hand is being discussed – we’re discussing changes in ALL of the rules at current and working on a solution that will work for all parties involved. Mind must be kept on the best means of implementing a change, considering the inevitable great many who will try to cheat the rules.
That said, do NOT PM me if your aim is to rush us into anything or offer half-assed suggestions that serve only to your own personal gain. The fact remains that no matter WHAT we do, toes will be stepped on and someone will feel put out by it and get their ass on their shoulders, so what must take place is to do what is most fair for all involved parties and let the others get over it.
Everyone calm down, we got this.

[waxball88]

ok heres the thing though, you get 2 or 3 bumps period and the thread is locked. then you wait three days (wtf?) and make a new one. how hard would it be to institute "every two day bump rule" or something similiar...their is such a high volume of for sale threads on this site that a thread can go 4-5 pages back over night. granted daily bumps might be crazy, but i firmly believe every other day should be good. not too mention this re evaluation of the bump rule is brought up pretty often and i'm curious why it hasn't/won't be changed considering it seems the majority of the site agree with it...

edit:
on a side note, giving a set # of bumps will be a pain in the ass for the mods. they have to check each thread and actually count the bumps/decide what counted as a bump or not. simply saying daily/every other day bumps would make it easier for them. they would just have to check the dates.
I think 12/24 hour bumps is fine every other day is too long. Not to be ignorant, but i feel like the volume of for sale thread on pbnation's gun section alone SHITS on the traffic that zilvia experiences. And the idiot ratio, is MUCH higher, due to the younger user base. The 6 hour bump button on pbn has been working over i'd say over a year at LEAST. A set number of bumps would be useless and complex.

Perhaps splitting the forsale section into
Engine
Suspension
Etc. Categories
Along implementing a daily bump rule would be best. As it puts more responsibility on zilvians to keep track of their threads in different sections.

[Vatche]

There really is nothing us members can do. So ill just be grateful that your working on it.

thats better than ignoring it.

and when i read codyace's posts, it does make me feel like hes not getting what were saying.

maybe it is for the people who use the marketplace more often and notice why it isnt working out.

people dont read much past the first-second page usually, i think its due to laziness.

i notice constantly that i get many views while on first page and almost zero once its off.

my thread is the same. so thats the control of that research.

[VNG704]

Soo what you guys are saying that reposting the same FS thread is annoying. And others are saying it's annoying to see many threads with pages of posts of ttt, bump, top, etc... also that those threads shuffle the newer threads back. Well, to solve these problems, an unlimited amount of bumps with one bump per week (for example) would do fine. A day or even every other day may still be too much. I think five days is a compromise with the two bump limit.

[codyace]

and when i read codyace's posts, it does make me feel like hes not getting what were saying.
...
people dont read much past the first-second page usually, i think its due to laziness.

I do. Why I hate the bumping is that lets say I post a thread up on there. Yay it's on first page for a bit. Then others post. Now it's on page 2. I bump it. So now I get back on first page, yet push others stuff to page 2. Now they bump their stuff, which gets put above mine. Before you know it, everyone else bumps their junk, and now my stuff (even after being bumped once) is on page 2.

THe vicious cycle continues. So while you may think it's getting more exposure, it's essentially defeating itself, as by you bumping stuff (and by you I speak generally not specifically you) it just causes everyone else to rebump their stuff, thus pushing your stuff back anyway.

In the end, your junk ends up on page 2, 3 bumps in, regardless...as everyone constantly bumps their stuff.


Now from a buyer standpoint (more like shopper) if I log into this for sale area, I almost always goto page 2 as it is, as all page 1 has are bumps from page 3 that nobody wanted in the first place (whether it be due to price/junk/not needed/nonsense/etc etc etc).


ANd yes, I can understand how people are too lazy to hit 'page 2' but if you think about it...half of those guys who do that are broke tire kickers as it is...





Well, to solve these problems, an unlimited amount of bumps with one bump per week (for example) would do fine. A day or even every other day may still be too much. I think five days is a compromise with the two bump limit.

So now the first 4 pages will be filled with BUMP TTT BUMP ___++__ BUMP instead of actual new stuff. THat's counterproductive if you ask me. I can understand us all wanting our stuff on page one, but it's a bit selfish (for lack of better term) to bump your stuff consistently, forcing those who don't live on the for sale area, to have their stuff end up on page 8, with no bumps.

I know I know, 'well they can bump their thread as many times'...well what eneds up happening are guys with no life, keeping their crap on page 1, and not letting other (potentially better) stuff get 'exposure'.



To me, the bump rule should be once a week. Heck I'm nto against bumping, but every day? nonsense. I just bumped a thread of my own from Dec 26. That's 2 weeks. I think that's a fair 'bump' range.

[Vatche]

for one, why has this thread not been locked http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/356952-fs-ft-my-bumped-when-updated-fs-ft-thread.html

and 2. i put all the information needed in my thread. all the pictures, all the numbers.
most people dont. so they get people asking questions which bumps their thread. for stupid shit. or there will be some thread with a bunch of fanboys posting in it saying oh shit cool spoiler.:jerkit:

and page one is constantly revolving with new threads, and posts.

so YES i should be able to bump my thread consistently to keep it from going to page 11. otherwise i continue to make new threads after 2 bumps. i have been experimenting with that, im up to like 6 or 7 threads of exactly the same continuously updated for sale thread. where as before i would just not make a new one and wait a month then make a completely new one.
anyway im used to it after all these years. whatever happens, happens

[codyace]

im up to like 6 or 7 threads of exactly the same continuously updated for sale thread. where as before i would just not make a new one and wait a month then make a completely new one.
anyway im used to it after all these years. whatever happens, happens

I don't mean this as a typical dbag forum comment, but if you've had to bump or remake your for sale thread that many times, wouldn't that be a sign to either lower the price or maybe reword it? To me, if something I'm selling takes 2-3 bumps, I'm either not in the right price range or I mis spelled something.

I know for myself (limited bumping, if ever) has always worked out. I had some other members comment in a part out thread that I never EVER bumped...I recently sold some items that I hadn't updated since November! My thought process revolves around the educated consumer; that is, if someone wants something they will search the for sale area for it and get the recent posted/cheapest one. Those just tire kicking or shopping hang out on page 1-2, and seem to send 867652 PM's, only to back out, or ball-bust over 5 dollars.

[Om1kron]

Personally I fucking HATE when people tell me to bump their fucking threads. Seriously go fuck your thread. If you need money that bad sell your shit for a price that would make the thread float itself instead of asking me to help you come up.

I don't get a cut back for wasting my time and I see bumpbumpbumpbump in a thread it's obviously going to look like some shady ass fire sale to me.

[Couped_up'd]

I would also be down for a prem. account..if it decreases the bump time limit.


Ya, I went ahead and got a premium account. Just in case we get to bump more. =) Or what ever. I liked a lot of things about the premium member anyways.

[sidewaysil80]

yeah but cody thats an unfair statment to make. somone could have it worded perfectly and the price right and no one wanting to buy it...or the uneducated consumer doesn't see it. for instance i have a set of wheels for well below retail and other used versions and i've been trying to sell since november. i continually lower the price etc. does that mean i should just keep lowering the price until they are free? not too mention i've had to make 3 or 4 threads because after my two bumps i have to wait and start a new one...wouldn't it be easier on the site because thats now 3 additional threads that aren't needed? multiply that by however many people are doing the same thing i am? i just don't understand why its such a big deal to allow more then one bump IF it is controlled...i.e. 3 initial...then 1 a week or 1 every 2 days. i mean how is that worse then multiple threads trying to sell something. this argumenet has been brought up soooooooo many times too, i'm just baffled that nothing has been changed yet.

[Vatche]

I don't mean this as a typical dbag forum comment, but if you've had to bump or remake your for sale thread that many times, wouldn't that be a sign to either lower the price or maybe reword it? To me, if something I'm selling takes 2-3 bumps, I'm either not in the right price range or I mis spelled something.

I know for myself (limited bumping, if ever) has always worked out. I had some other members comment in a part out thread that I never EVER bumped...I recently sold some items that I hadn't updated since November! My thought process revolves around the educated consumer; that is, if someone wants something they will search the for sale area for it and get the recent posted/cheapest one. Those just tire kicking or shopping hang out on page 1-2, and seem to send 867652 PM's, only to back out, or ball-bust over 5 dollars.


thats the miscommunication on this debate i believe. What I am doing is continuously updated my thread with new items. and removing sold items asap. My prices are correct. and my items do sell. with this bad economy some items do take longer to sell, and some random items i have laying around i have for sale just in case someone might need it to help out the community, otherwise 10 bucks ain't worth my time.

I wont change my style of listing items because i dont want to make a thread for each item im selling.

most users of the internet are not super bright and talented, so the search and all that crap is a bit confusing for them.

i dont want to make it a bump free for all. i tried to explain that the revolving of the threads is going to happen any way you look at it. allowing users to bump more than twice, will just even the odds. it wont make it worse. it will just give a chance for recent updated still for sale items to be at the top more then the sold ones. and this concept could get rid of multiple threads from same person too. they could list all their items in one place. but whatever.

Oh and i would like to make it clear that items priced correctly always eventually sell. but like the post above mine, sometimes it takes a while longer. its not like the thread needs to be on page 1 constantly. but with the amount of users on the forum and that people dont have all the time in the world. they wont always see it, so if it gets bumped to the top every so often they might catch it. it might be exactly what they were looking for . or they might fall in love with so and so wheels cuz they never seen or heard of them before haha. whatever just saying. i check the for sale threads very often and i still miss shit all the time but when it gets bumped to the top i see it.

[sidewaysil80]

so mods...any updates? it's been two months since this was brought up and we really haven't gotten anything concrete...

[racepar1]

I don't mean this as a typical dbag forum comment, but if you've had to bump or remake your for sale thread that many times, wouldn't that be a sign to either lower the price or maybe reword it? To me, if something I'm selling takes 2-3 bumps, I'm either not in the right price range or I mis spelled something.

I know for myself (limited bumping, if ever) has always worked out. I had some other members comment in a part out thread that I never EVER bumped...I recently sold some items that I hadn't updated since November! My thought process revolves around the educated consumer; that is, if someone wants something they will search the for sale area for it and get the recent posted/cheapest one. Those just tire kicking or shopping hang out on page 1-2, and seem to send 867652 PM's, only to back out, or ball-bust over 5 dollars.

I disagree. From my experience as a seller it continuously gets harder to sell anything. Maybe it's the economy, maybe it's the dominant retard kid population, maybe it's both... I saw Johnny (crimsonrockett) trying to sell a greddy KADE header for $150 for like 3 months. A couple years ago that header would have sold in a matter of hours for that price.

[choleaoum]

any updates? i'm tired of getting my threads closed trying to sell the same damn thing over. the current method is not effective at all.

[racepar1]

A simple google search was all it took to find a link to download the bump button. It seriously took 5 minutes. Here's the link...

Bump Threads/Make Threads older - vBulletin.org Forum (http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=97165)

I suck at the internet a little though so you'll have to copy and paste it.

:wtf:

[sidewaysil80]

damn, i didn't know it was as simple as that. i thought the site would be down for awhile or something during the process lol. we should put a poll together or something so they (mods) can see the majority of the site wants this.

[s tuned]

i wil say a bump every 2 days so people dont abuse it

[racepar1]

OK, at this point I have single handedly handed the moderation/administration staff the answer on a silver platter. Would anyone like to comment? Or just hoping the thread will die and everyone forgets???

:mepoke:

[Drift N Dragg]

As it has been said before.. Moderator's can not change the options ofthe Forum, as well as not all admins have premission to do it..

I HAVE brought this up to the Owner .. He is still looking into it..

But having a life outside of Zilvia, sometimes things take a little bit longer to get things done ..

So NO, no one is forgetting.. I have taken it as far as I can take it ..

[shiftdrift]

who has a life outside of zilvia? loser haha. jay kay d&d.

[racepar1]

As it has been said before.. Moderator's can not change the options ofthe Forum, as well as not all admins have premission to do it..

I HAVE brought this up to the Owner .. He is still looking into it..

But having a life outside of Zilvia, sometimes things take a little bit longer to get things done ..

So NO, no one is forgetting.. I have taken it as far as I can take it ..

I've got a life outside of the internet too, that's why it took me so long to take the 5 mins that it took to google search for it. I understand that not just any mod can change it. I understand that it has to be discussed amongst the moderation/administration staff before any change can be made. I just see no evidence of any discussion. I am not a moderator or an administrator. Finding the information that I found was not my job or responsibility. I still took it upon myself to find said information because I believe that it will make the F/S forum better. If I took the time out of my busy day to do something for ZILVIA.NET that could be a big improvement then I expect the people whose job it is to do what I did to at least discuss it openly. I don't see how that is unreasonable...

[Drift N Dragg]

OK I will put it simply..

We already had the information .. The 5 mins it took you was on you, and yes, it is nice to see Zilvians looking for things to Improve the site..

No, you will not see evidence of discussion because the thread in which i started for this option is not in a section you can see, unless you are a Moderator or Admin..

No one is saying anything is unreasonable. Just plainly put.. My hands are tied till I get a straight answer from someone..

Now, I do take slight offense to your trying to deem what our jobs are and what we are suppose to do with said jobs..

I personally do not care what your ' Expectations ' are of me or this staff .. We do the best we can with the time we have.. Maybe you haven't noticed.. but there is always something going on and things slip our minds and we get side tracked..

Remember, we are taking time out of OUR work days to Moderate.

Now, I do appricate the link you gave and taking the time to do it. And I know there is a strong possiblity that you will rebute what I said with only the retort at you .. But in the instance that you dont and read further on.. I did say I appericated it .. As we appericate all of our Members here on Zilvia.net... Even if we do not get a chance to say it..

[racepar1]

OK I will put it simply..

We already had the information .. The 5 mins it took you was on you, and yes, it is nice to see Zilvians looking for things to Improve the site..

No, you will not see evidence of discussion because the thread in which i started for this option is not in a section you can see, unless you are a Moderator or Admin..

No one is saying anything is unreasonable. Just plainly put.. My hands are tied till I get a straight answer from someone..

Now, I do take slight offense to your trying to deem what our jobs are and what we are suppose to do with said jobs..

I personally do not care what your ' Expectations ' are of me or this staff .. We do the best we can with the time we have.. Maybe you haven't noticed.. but there is always something going on and things slip our minds and we get side tracked..

Remember, we are taking time out of OUR work days to Moderate.

Now, I do appricate the link you gave and taking the time to do it. And I know there is a strong possiblity that you will rebute what I said with only the retort at you .. But in the instance that you dont and read further on.. I did say I appericated it .. As we appericate all of our Members here on Zilvia.net... Even if we do not get a chance to say it..

You did what you're supposed to do, good job. But you're (speaking to the staff as a whole) supposed to inform us as to what's going on as well, which you have now also done (after a little prodding). That's all I asked for, someone to comment on what's going on. If the information that I posted was already known to the staff then I would expect it to be mentioned in this thread. The last it was discussed here I think it was Kevin that was asking for a link or some sort of info. I provided that information with no response. I'm just looking for someone to acknowledge that the information has been recieved and is being discussed. I shouldn't have to poke at the staff with an e-stick to get that.

[sidewaysil80]

any progress on the bump rule? i'm very confused because of the following incident:

i exhausted my two bumps and waited well past the three days to start a new thread. then i figured instead of wasting bandwith and making a new thread (for the 5th time) i would just bump the old one...of course it got locked. someone PLEASE explain to me why it makes more sense or is more practical to create a whole new thread vice waiting the 3 days after you've used all your bumps and re-bumping the old thread?

the reason for not allowing multiple bumps is contradicted because of the above example. you don't want to see the same threads over and over yet members are forced to make a new one every three days (if they use their bumps daily)? wouldn't that just mean their would be tons of duplicate threads instead of the same thread being bumped every few days?

[s15lover]

even updating info is considered a bump. If it automatically bumped that would be great as I would just update in the original post rather than through reply. The price range thing isn't the issue...as most of the time the stuff I sell is in the range it needs to be, however most people aren't going to search through 50 pages of ads, and sometimes you find something you were looking for that you didn't even think about getting or searching for. I think the bigger issue here is the classifieds forum needs subforums for category specific parts...you know exterior, interior, engine, misc, etc. People sell all sorts of BS in one forum and that combined with all the 2 bump locked threads IS a FUCKIN MESS. <excuse the profanity> Either way great idea with the premium membership getting some bump perks, but the bump limit in general should be raised just a little, a bump a day seems a bit much...maybe 2-3 days, but I think in general if there are subforums that will solve alot of the issue as people will be able to focus on a specific area of their car they're wanting parts for. Either way something NEEDS to change. It's getting ridiculous.

[MisawaJason]

Damn, you're really pissed about this huh?
Say for instance, the bump limit goes up to 5 total, everyone bumps their shit 5 times and your thread will still end up 7 pages deep. If your shit gets locked, start a new thread in a few days and you're good to go again. You could also try craigslist to sell your stuff

[s15lover]

Damn, you're really pissed about this huh?


Let's say screw the bumps...I'm all for sub-forums though...people sell all sorts of nonsense in the same forum as people selling legitimate car oriented goods...it's cluttered and ridiculous. Categorical forums would eliminate a 100 page fs forum...plus as I stated it would be easier to find what it is you were looking for and even the stuff you're like "oooo didn't even think of that".

Craigslist is good for one thing...finding people that don't know what a part is worth...and getting it cheap. I mainly use allofcraigs for that. I still don't understand how people get thousands of posts though lmfao...I have very few on all the forums but have made quite a few useful interchange/diy threads. And I've been a member since 2003! lol

Anyway...you don't agree that subforums would fix alot of the issue?

[Drift N Dragg]

The Issue is being reviewed. Period.

We are looking for Updates and Added Product changes to the forum, but it is not the say of the Moderation staff on what to do.

If the Owner wants it this way, it will remain this way.

Complaining does nothing but waste space and time..

Though you bring another Idea to it.. I think it can be better addressed then getting all pissed about it..

This is how the Forum is run... You can deal with it or you can Click the Little Red X and do something else.

[s15lover]

The Issue is being reviewed. Period.

We are looking for Updates and Added Product changes to the forum, but it is not the say of the Moderation staff on what to do.

If the Owner wants it this way, it will remain this way.

Complaining does nothing but waste space and time..

Though you bring another Idea to it.. I think it can be better addressed then getting all pissed about it..

This is how the Forum is run... You can deal with it or you can Click the Little Red X and do something else.

Everyone understands the hierarchy involved...the bump thing is not my biggest concern...it will probably stay the way it is...and that is the right of the owner/moderation staff. However, you have to admit the sub-forum idea would add a great deal of organization to a ridiculously cluttered classifieds section. I'm sure if it came to a vote from all the members the vote would be unanimous.
Shoot post it on the home page for a vote and let that be the voice of the members of zilvia. Whether or not the mods agree, I completely understand in the end it is the owner's word...however being such I would expect that person to take the idea seriously. I say all this in a humble manner as well. Not trying to stir shit up, just trying to voice an opinion that I feel would make the forum better...something everyone here would appreciate.:hug:

[Drift N Dragg]

And if you read my Post .. and I qoute Though you bring another Idea to it.. I think it can be better addressed then getting all pissed about it..


It is a good Idea and I will address it with the Staff..

[Vatche]

personally im glad its being talked about.

were getting feedback, and voicing our thoughts.

thats what a forum is for anyway.

if the owner or any staff would want suggestions on how to make something better, if they couldn't figure it out themselves, i'm sure they would ask.

otherwise they are fully capable of handling stuff. they have done an excellent job thus far.

[howyfeltersnatch]

ban me, give me points, bang my sister, kick my dog.. i dgaf


i fucking hate the "you can create a new thread in 3 days" garbage after bumping my 17 day old (6-7 post max) thread due to no intrest. upon doing so immediately several offers came thru.

coincidence?

who ever the fuck made that rule; either
A) has never used a proper working forum or
B) wants to piss people off in the most annoying way possible.
(maybe im just an asshole who doesnt understand)

there are some points that were made above that stand out
those being a sub forum in the for sale section (fantastic idea) i think that alone, maybe with a revised bump rule would prompt people to actually want to buy memberships. an

the very least a one bump per 24 hour rule. with maybe a every other day type situation i dunno im not charlie sheen i dont win at everything.

what gets me is most of the forums tend to copy one another (tristatetuners and nasioc)**sorta... which is sorta gay at first. but then when you realize why fix something that isnt broken it makes sense. take some notes.. see why a forum has 300,000 members. maybe im just spoiled having been on nasioc for many years and taking certain luxeries for granted. i dunno.

but in all seriousness having to make a thread more than twice for something that should have only taken one thread (however many posts long) to deal with is beyond retarded.
itd be kinda like going out to eat and only being able to actually sit down to eat your food for ten minutes. then having to move to another table and re order your food just to try to eat it again...

im aware the mods are taking the brunt of this anger. im not really directiing it towards any of you. this forum would be shittier if you didnt do what you are supposed to.



like i said ban me, give me points, bang my sister, kick my dog.. i dgaf im thru trying to sell anything on this site

[ThatGuy]

Yeah, we get it...
http://i499.photobucket.com/albums/rr356/boosted30rej25/tx8B4-1.png


I'm really confused as to why you guys think constantly beating your head against this wall is going to make us change anything.

The rule will change, IF the owners of Zilvia.net decide they want them changed, and not before. It's unfortunate, but it's the truth. I'm not being mean, I'm not insulting any of you, I'm just being honest. Unless word comes down from the owners that they want the site that they own to change it's standing ruling, I'm not going to touch it. I can understand your frustration, especially in this economy where less people are buying, and more people are looking to sell, but the rules will stand until further notice. Neither this thread, nor any other thread of this nature are going to expedite that.

I'll leave this open for now for your witty retorts. I'll suggest, politely, keeping a civil tone towards the people who work here though.

[holemilk00]

The only real issue I have about it, is with more unique or complicated items. For instance, my RB30's, I started with four, and I'm down to two. I've had to make three threads for them and I get the same 5-10 questions in each thread. So the last one I made a FAQ section to it, and still I get asked. It would have been nice to just keep bumping the old one so people will read all the information.

But with more common stuff, it shouldn't take more than one thread if you're priced right.

[Vatche]

guys, i think the point has been made, its like beating a dead horse if continued

we have put our opinion and made our arguments. good ones.

the only thing that can happen now is if they decide to change stuff for us

if we keep pushing its just gonna get to peoples nerves.

obviously a lot can be said, which could be true but it wouldnt help the progression of the original request

[KiLLeR2001]

Here's an idea:

Allow more threads per page. By default there seems to be 40 threads on each page. How about increasing it to 50 or 60? Doesn't seem like much but I'm sure it'll help out a little bit.

[cordobes]

i say focus more on Posting pictures on For sale thread. people even post cars for sale without a single picture !! for sale section Rule "No Pics ,No Post or will be locked! "just my opinion " dont be lazy and post pictures. that also really helps to sell the parts.

[codyace]

i say focus more on Posting pictures on For sale thread. people even post cars for sale without a single picture !! for sale section Rule "No Pics ,No Post or will be locked! "just my opinion " dont be lazy and post pictures. that also really helps to sell the parts.

I've sold quite a few basic parts without pics. There are times where I don't feel like dragging my camera out. I've even bought some things without pics. I mean I can understand important stuff, but if I'm buying a plug/connector and it's the right one...how can it be any different?

Maybe I trust people too much...

[cordobes]

but little thinks like that may be is ok ... but Posting a CAR without pictures ?? come on!