Seat Question (Don't flame please!)

[drift_newbie]

Does anyone have any experience or know about the Tenzo-R Rally seats? They look fairly well bolstered, and I'm not really concerned about the weight or a brand name as much as having something that holds me better than my worn out stock s13 seats.

Anyone? Bueller? Anybody?

Thanks,

-Ben

[DoriftoSlut]

*Attention Riceboys: Tenzo-R is a cheap company that rips off others' designs, not a real seat (or wheels)*







:rolleyes: :D

[DuffMan]

Find a store that has them in stock, sit in them, and then if you like them buy them cheaply on the internet. :D

Yeah, they are knock offs but life is all about compromises.

[VLOWS13]

Originally posted by Dorifto180sx
*Attention Riceboys: Tenzo-R is a cheap company that rips off others' designs, not a real seat (or wheels)*







:rolleyes: :D

So is Rota and many many more companies...so what?

[drift_newbie]

Yeah, no $hit... However, some of us have responsibilites other than our cars, like mortgages, student loans, other bills, and various other facts of life. Believe me, I know that Tenzo is cheap knockoff stuff, but when can't spend every penny you have on your car, you start looking for ways to compromise.

Thanks for the "input"


-Ben

[boro240]

Originally posted by drift_newbie
Yeah, no $hit... However, some of us have responsibilites other than our cars, like mortgages, student loans, other bills, and various other facts of life. Believe me, I know that Tenzo is cheap knockoff stuff, but when can't spend every penny you have on your car, you start looking for ways to compromise.

Thanks for the "input"


-Ben
haha, as if the rest of us are CEOs or something.

[Dousan_PG]

im no CEO but i look for good deals
bride brix= 400 dollars

anyways
the seats might feel nice (who knows)
but the rail/slider will suck and youll sit higher (noticeably higher) then stock

why?

bride is

car specific rail/slider

as one unit

tenzo will be

universal slider
sitting on car specific rail

adding about 1 inchor more over stock.



BOOOOO

[sykikchimp]

I have a theory that if you are buying cheap parts that will fall apart in 6 months, and your ok with that fact, then you obviously don't plan on owning the car, or being "into" the car for more than 6 months. in other words, you are a bandwagon hopping poser who wants the blang, blang! for their ride right now.


Otherwise, you'd buy the parts that will last you as long as possible, b/c replacing worn out parts gets expensive.

btw - whats wrong with some nice s14 seats? you can get those for about $100 ea. and they WILL last for a very long time.

[drift freaq]

actually for the person that made the comment about Rota's
Yes Rota's are knock offs but Rota has a iso9002 manufacturing facility in the Philipines that actually manufacturers wheels for other name brand companies. Indeed back in the day Rota's were just heavy knock offs but these days Rota's are well built reliable inexpensive light weight wheels. You cannot even compare them to Tenzo's . The Miata club guys have been autocrossing on Rota's with no problems for the last two to three years.
Ya Rota's are knock offs , boo hoo!!! You can also get a set for $500 drift the **** out of them and replace them without killing your wallet. JDM wheels are nice but they are pricey. You want to spend money on the JDM go ahead.
The only person thats gonna run up to your car and scream those are knock offs are the JDM bling ricers. I should **** some people off with that last statement. Ok come call me an asshole for stating truth.:eek: :bow:

oh ya in the words of old_s13 "just say NO tO TENzO"!!

[Fastback180]

Do what ever you like. If you need it and that's all you can afford. Go for it. But Dousan's right on those rails man.

I'd personally save up and haggle someone for a $400 Brix.

[hadokenny]

Originally posted by sykikchimp
I have a theory that if you are buying cheap parts that will fall apart in 6 months, and your ok with that fact, then you obviously don't plan on owning the car, or being "into" the car for more than 6 months. in other words, you are a bandwagon hopping poser who wants the blang, blang! for their ride right now.


Otherwise, you'd buy the parts that will last you as long as possible, b/c replacing worn out parts gets expensive.

btw - whats wrong with some nice s14 seats? you can get those for about $100 ea. and they WILL last for a very long time.


where can u find nice s14 seats for 100 bux???

[radhaz]

where can u find nice s14 seats for 100 bux???

For Sale Items (http://www.zilvia.net/f/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=10)

A few sets of S14 sets get sold every month. You just have to watch when they go up and move fast, though some a$$holes will still post over you to get them. It took me a few shots at it but I'm quite pleased with the seats I picked up. The ave price seems to be 170-220 for decent condition seats.

[Bill Roberts]

Junk Yard.

If anything...lowering my seats would be a blessing...for a stock s-13 seat.

You do not want to get a seat of anykind that sits higher than stock.

Thanks Aaron for the tip.

This weekend I wanna try to find a way to get my seats lower somehow.

I like sitting in a hole if you will....I would like my ribcage even with the centerline of the tire...but that is an obvious impossability.

[Rennen]

O in other words, you are a bandwagon hopping poser who wants the [i]blang, blang! for their ride right now.
[/B]

ouch...

I know Ben, from what I can tell he is not a bandwagon jumping poser, he is an Autocross junkie who wants a seat who will hold him in place better than stock so that he doesn't fly around inside the car at OMR's tight autocrosses.

He is trying to information to the effect of "yes, I have those, they hold me well and only raise my seat 1 inch" or "No, I had these for a month and the recliner broke off" not personal opinions like Tenzo is crap, or what the hell, its not made in japan and hard to get, must not work.

assholes...

-Matt

[SilviaDriver]

Originally posted by drift_newbie
Yeah, no $hit... However, some of us have responsibilites other than our cars, like mortgages, student loans, other bills, and various other facts of life. Believe me, I know that Tenzo is cheap knockoff stuff, but when can't spend every penny you have on your car, you start looking for ways to compromise.

Thanks for the "input"


-Ben

y do u act like the rest of us dont have the same responsibilites? we, too are human like u and live a life.

we, or i, dont spend every penny on my car..if i CANT buy it now..hey ill save up and buy it later.

i said it before and ill say it again. i for one like to do things right the first time. if its not on the top of my list, i wont settle for anythign less EVEN if it takes me ages to save up for it. if it takes that long ill wait

[sykikchimp]

Originally posted by Rennen
ouch...

I know Ben, from what I can tell he is not a bandwagon jumping poser, he is an Autocross junkie who wants a seat who will hold him in place better than stock so that he doesn't fly around inside the car at OMR's tight autocrosses.

He is trying to information to the effect of "yes, I have those, they hold me well and only raise my seat 1 inch" or "No, I had these for a month and the recliner broke off" not personal opinions like Tenzo is crap, or what the hell, its not made in japan and hard to get, must not work.

assholes...

-Matt

First, I'm sure he's a big boy who doesn't need you to defend him, especially when there is NO REASON TO DEFEND HIMSELF.

We are talking about a product. If I say "Tenzo is crap" t5hat doesn't translate to "You are crap for even asking about Tenzo"

He was looking for opinions on the seats. How well it holds you is an opinion. Get a grip.

If what you say is true, on a budget, a set of harnesses would be a better idea than a new seat. Harnesses will hold him a whole lot better than that tenzo crap with the stock belt.

This is where he could have elaborated on the subject, and we could have given some more constructive input.

It's all in the importantance of communication of your goals.

[curbsurfer]

tenzo seats fall apart. i worked for a shop that sold them and they arent even very comfortable.

if you autocross, dont waste your time with it. they also arent crash tested so who knows what happens if you get in a serious accident.

at sema last year, i was looking at an arospeed seat. it was comfortable and familiar. i looked at the hardware and it said "recaro". i freaked out. they have recaro make their seats and embroider "arospeed" on them. i beleive they are about $350 each. that is extremely cheap for a new recaro, even if it does say arospeed on it.

either get that "recaro" or stay on the lookout for some good used seats. $hit, i sell some every other week, be it s14 seats,bride, etc.

[DoriftoSlut]

Ya Rota's are knock offs , boo hoo!!! You can also get a set for $500 drift the **** out of them and replace them without killing your wallet. JDM wheels are nice but they are pricey. You want to spend money on the JDM go ahead.
Ok, whoever thinks that buying japanese parts is because of some stupid "JDM" fad versus their quality is sadly mistaken.

Rota wheels?
I dont care about the name, or where the are from, just as long as I like the quality, design and the sizes. Show me a Rota wheel offered in 17x9+ with +30 or lower offset...:rolleyes: Yeah buying those 17x7.5 +42 Rotas sure sounds like a better deal than the 17x9.5 +12 TE37s... FU.CK no! What the hell is that crap...

The only person thats gonna run up to your car and scream those are knock offs are the JDM bling ricers. I should **** some people off with that last statement. Ok come call me an asshole for stating truth.
Yeah maybe... cause the rest of us will quietly wonder to ourselves why the hell you are running some fake bling 17x7.5 +42s. Then shortly after we will probably quietly walk away, writhe into a Bride Brix and drive off to practice drifting. On 17x9 forged from...oh *gasp* JAPAN. Heaven forbid. What a bunch of ricers we are for buying overpriced Japanese bling!

In the same regard, if I am lookign to purchase a SEAT which HOLDS me from SLIDING all over the place while DRIVING, why would I settle for some cheap *** material, cheap *** design, cheap *** hardware, and weak *** seat height? God damn I would be so much more uncomfortable than staying with S13 seats and harnesses. Face it Ben, you are attracted to the fake bling.

On a related note about seat height, my Brix sits lower than my stock S13 seat. :boink: You want some of this sh.it Arospeed and Tenzo R?? :boink:

[1fasts13]

flame war, flame war!!! :D

seriously, some JDM stuff is fluff, that's true, but there are some good functional stuff and their seat rails even if you get something other than bride rails will a) fit perfect unlike universal rails and b) keep you lower than stock which is what most people want.

and if you're on a budget, no one in the world said bride is the only thing out there. there are many other "no name" seat companies in japan that offer buckets for a decent price, like we're talking around 300 bux a seat plus rails. and i've personally seen and sat in some of these and quality wise looks to be just as good as bride :) but me being the jdm wh00re i have to have my brides :D

[curbsurfer]

here is a pic of that arospeed seat you are hating on.

btw, it is a real recaro. but i was wrong about the price, they are $681. ea. , oh well.

and screw bride rails, i make my own. just as strong and just as low.

[drift_newbie]

Okay, this is a little f'ing silly. I go to work, come home and a damn war has erupted.

I'd like to address a few things, then I'm done with this.

1: I'd love to have a Brix, but that isn't feasible for me. I don't see the logic in putting a seat in the car that costs about a third of what I paid for the WHOLE d##n car!

2. Whoever was acusing me of "jumping on the bandwagon" is laughable, at best. I owned my first s13 coupe in '93 and have had an s14 and my current s13 since. What were you driving in '93? Oh wait, you probably weren't...


3. I was hoping to get a little bit of input constructive input like Matt said, not just "Tenzo is crap, it's not jdm, blah blah blah..."

Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, and that's fine. But to just bag on someone for asking input is a little immature, and kind of sad.

And Dorifto, pay attention to who makes what statement before spouting off your obviously highly enlightened comments about who's "attracted to fake bling." I didn't make that comment originally, so nice try. As far as your a$$ sitting closer to the ground, great for you! However, you might realize that it's not that hard to make custom mounts to get the seat closer to the ground. Isn't it amazing what this neat invention called a welder can do?!

To Duffman, Dousan, and other's that offered some constructive input, thanks! I appreciate that fact that you can realize that even though I'd love to have a better seat, (Sparco Evo bucket, if I had my choice,) I'm trying to find a middle ground that I can afford and live with.

Anyway kids, I'm tired. Have fun crying over spilt milk.

-Ben

PS: Matt, thanks for trying. Unfortunatly, you probably on gave the true "JDM masters" more fuel to try to burn you with.

[Fastback180]

Be very careful on your decisions.

We were rebuilding this engine at the shop on an FD3S and he had the Torinos. But due to the "parts" that keep you snug on the hip, they stuck out nice and far so it was a task on closing the door. Plus the genius got Torinos, which are the reclineable ones and there wasn't even any room to recline, nor to slide back in. So basically that seat choice for that ride was only feasable for a very short man.

"Do you find something comical about my appearance?...Every body needs an automobile, and quite frankly, this was the largest automobile I could afford"

HA! HA! :p

[boro240]

Originally posted by Fastback180
"Do you find something comical about my appearance?...Every body needs an automobile, and quite frankly, this was the largest automobile I could afford"

wave to the people! blow them kisses! :p

[DoriftoSlut]

For everyone use, maybe Dousan and I will pay a little trip to Pep Boys wiht my digicam and do a little photo documentation and comparison of Tenzo Rs and my Brix. Seat rails too if there are there. Why? You will see how small the bolsters are, how crappy the material is, how high it sits, and my painful expression as i sit in the seat and feel it jabbing me because its frame was made by a 2 year old chimp named Lucy from the San Diego Zoo. The bottom cushion, like the Recaros (&Arospeed), Sparcos, Corbeaus, and Momos that I have actually sat in and thoroughly examined, is about 5 inches thick. Your stock one is about 2-3 at most. Brix is about 2 at your as.s and maybe 3 at your knees.

Now before you un"enlightened", to use Ben's terminology, go "spouting" off about how the Brix and stock must be very uncomfortable cause of the thin cushion, examine your seats closer. The thin padding is good when there are well designed spring support "web" underneath it allowing you to sit almost on the ground, between the two rails. This is how a Brix will sit you lower than stock.

Now look at cheap seats. Beyond their cheap construction and materials, they are poorly designed by, like I said, a group of chimps that resides at the San Diego Zoo. Seriously. You can see the billboards all other SoCal for them. Uncle Franky, Lou, Lucy, etc... (Whatever their names are). The cusion in those seats is absorbing your weight, not springs. Thats why it has to be 5 inches thick... it wouldn't be comfortable otherwise (look at a race bucket... goddamn you will shatter vertabrae driving on the street everyday with those things...)

None the less, I guess you have to pay for the JDM name and bling... forget about good R&D, tooling, manufacturing, materials, etc..

Has anyone of you "haters" seen Bride seats in person? Seen the fabric? Compare that to those other seats (Recaro is on par)... HA. Oh whats that? You havent? Awww... so until you know what you are actually talking about, don't defend some crap because your friend knows a guy who works at a shop who carries them. So they must be good right? And about Arospeed.. iirc from what I saw, they use a different material than Recaros (thus partly the cheaper price). And uh.. not that it matters, but I got my Brix for less than the Arospeeds. And its bling bling red, too. Dousan got a steal of a deal on his Black/grey Brix for less than all the seats mentioned in this thread [focker...]





Oh yeah... WELDING. Go ahead. I know people who have made custom rails and modified stock ones to fit blah blah. Its much harder to sit a rail low than you might think. One side is about 1-2 inches higher because of the shape of our floor, and it still needs to clear the cat hump and slope to the outside when the seat is on it... Anyway, work your magic, good luck, and hopefully you get it low (I know it is possible). Although most custom rails will forego sliding capabilities.

[s13chica]

I know that a lot has already been said about the problem with tall seat rails, but I'm just going to add my experience...

I bought sparco speed seats because by the time I got to buying seats I was poor, and didn't want to speed tons of cash on seats. after I recieved them I could tell that the rails were much higher, and I was afraid that I would be too high up. Let me just say that... I HAVE NO PROBLEMS WITH THESE SEATS....but, I am only 5'6" and I'm pretty light. I know people who can't even get into my car because the rails are quite higher than stock. I actually kinda enjoy being a little higher because I like being able to see what's going on in front of my car. So as long as your not too tall or big, I would think that you could get by on buying an inexpensive seat that sits a tad higher than a bride.

And yes...I do agree that Bride are king in the world of seats. Dousans was so comfortable that I didn't want to get out of his car. One day I would love to own a pair...maybe it's time for that second job...

[CrispMofo]

oooh.
flame thread.
my favorite.
Bad thread, but good; useful to me..
i'm learning from the seat boys with bride's..haha
good info on the bride's.
mmmmm..
..how educating flame posts can be to me, I wish there were another way to post replies without being so offensive.
have fun fellas.

Don't hate on the ones that flame you in this thread, you'll thank them later for the anti-rice advice.
no hard feelings

[Dousan_PG]

dorifto: dont waste your time
they wont understand
why?

1) msot have never sat in one
2) most have not and maybe never will use on at the track

until you've done at least #1 you'd understand why its worth the money

no use wasting time

let people buy the crappy quality seats and watch them fall apart after a couple year or sooner

my seat (brix) was used and about 4 years or more old. it holds, it supports and it works jsut as perfect as dorifto180sx's under 1 year old seat.

my seat has 2 little holes in fabric that are easy to fix. just wear and tear

until you get to sit in a bride sat or use one, you really can knock it all you want for its cost but when you end up buying 3 crappy seats at 200 each for the next few years ill have the same 400 (or 650 seat in dorifto's case) for that whole time. and i wll never regret buying it.

do it right the FIRST time is what i believe. but hey that's just me.

[curbsurfer]

dorifto, i hope your not talking to me. i have quite a bit of experience with seats. just check the pic to see what i have laying around at my shop. and yes, that is a bride rail/slider.

and i do make my own rails just as low, if not lower than a bride set-up. and one side is not higher than the other either.