New! STANCE XR Premium Coilover - For the guys that want the best!

[tougefactory]

Hey guys,

STANCE has released a new coilover, XR premium.

So you want to know what's so good about it? Here are the features.

First thing you'll notice is the huge size of the XR. The outer diameter is 60mm. Is bigger better? Yes, when it comes to dampers, size does matter.
Larger piston area produces instantaenous response to the slightest suspension movements. No dead spots with XR.

Larger diameter reduces rod pressure and keeps pressure more consistent to heat changes.
Larger oil capacity allows for fade free performance in the toughest conditions.

XR features completely new piston and orifice design that allows excellent "low speed" feel and "high speed" control. The result is a smooth ride and super stable car.

All STANCE monotube dampers feature inverted monotube technology. Don't be fooled by other monotube dampers that doesn't offer inverted dampers. Non-inverted type monotube dampers on strut type suspension have many performance disadvantages. The lateral load can actually put load on the shaft and prematurely wear out the internals. The lateral load during cornering can bend the shaft and in worse case, break. There is a reason why OEM high end factory cars like Benz,BMW, even WRX and Evos all come with inverted monotube dampers.

XR also comes with Swift springs. Swift springs are much lighter and offer more stroke than any other springs on the market. Tested back to back with other springs, it offers faster response than any other springs.

XR has been tested at the highest level of competition.

MSRP $2395

Available now for S13, S14, FC3S. Future applications Z33, CT9A, AE86.
S13 8k/6k
S14 9k/7k
FC3S 8k/6k

While others are developing lower quality products to keep the prices down, XR was developed for highest performance with no compromises.

On to pictures.

http://www.stance-usa.com/images/xr1.jpg

http://www.stance-usa.com/images/xr2.jpg

http://www.stance-usa.com/images/xr3.jpg

http://www.stance-usa.com/images/xr5.jpg

[Irresistible]

Was there when the first batch was unboxed. These things are legit. Wish I had the cash, maybe next winter...

[nathanong87]

who needs dg5, when these are available ;)

[thenooblet]

wowsers :D :drool:

[mrflip69]

Offer a trade up program? Already got GR+Pro, would love to move on to these!

[gijoe69]

when will they be on the market?

[msanchez]

My s14 gr+ pros need those 9,7 swifts... good job guys.

[nathanong87]

when will they be on the market?

they are already out

[RurouniMidnight]

who needs dg5, when these are available ;)

Yeah these pretty much are DG-5s and scrumptious.

[Landers]

do they go low low?

[xBlastoisex]

Me want! Im down for a trade up on my gr pros.

[tricky_ab]

who needs dg5, when these are available ;)

HAHA Funny, I was thinking the same thing! Well I just bought a set of coilovers but if I was in the market, I'd check these out for sure!

[Perfect Balance]

Shock Dyno?

Because as of right now I see a Fortune Auto coilover (Big piston monotubes) with Swift springs (can be purchased for ~$350) and an inverted damper for 2.5x the price.

Not trying to knock Stance, but the damper is what makes a coilover. I know Swift springs are good, but what about the dampers?

[thefro526]

who needs dg5, when these are available ;)

+1.

Just looked up the specs on DG-5's and compared them to XR's and they look nearly identical. Assuming the dampers are built to the same spec as the rest of the coil I'd venture to say that these are equal to DG-5... Except less expensive. :D

[stockbee]

And the question has been raised.

clean looking parts though!

[PerilousActs]

In for shock dyno results.

[Big Zee]

will they let you go lower then the PBM coilovers ?

[slider2828]

What the heck? I wanna see a dyno of these things...

[ManoNegra]

In for the dyno aswell
and please elaborate on this:


XR has been tested at the highest level of competition.

[s14freak93901]

it's all about the shock dyno.

[slider2828]

In for the dyno aswell
and please elaborate on this:

LOL.... its VIRTUALLY the best dampener on Earf.... thats what it means...

Blah ima in marketing, I do that all the time hahaha....

Yes shock dyno please, would be nice if they did a side by side as well...

[REVGASM]

BUY WITH CONFIDENCE...these things are absolutely incredible!!! Experienced them in S13 and FC3S

[CrimsonRockett]

Yeah, these definitely look tempting.

Wouldn't mind owning a set of these to replace my practically new FLT-A2's.

[GripTerror]

Shock Dyno?

Because as of right now I see a Fortune Auto coilover (Big piston monotubes) with Swift springs (can be purchased for ~$350) and an inverted damper for 2.5x the price.

Not trying to knock Stance, but the damper is what makes a coilover. I know Swift springs are good, but what about the dampers?

In for shock dyno results.

What the heck? I wanna see a dyno of these things...

In for the dyno aswell
and please elaborate on this:

it's all about the shock dyno.

+10000 no dyno, no cool, just another flashy new coilover with questionable dampers. No disrespect.

It's nice and all being inverted up front and having swift springs but uhm.. other than that what else is there to it other than another bunch of coilover pieces put together, camber plates, etc... Plus with price jumping up eh..

[slider2828]

BUY WITH CONFIDENCE...these things are absolutely incredible!!! Experienced them in S13 and FC3S

Just moving to swift springs makes shit incredible.... doesn't mean the dampening is great either.... shock dyno, but even then with the shock dyno its also a preference as well...

[tougefactory]

Offer a trade up program? Already got GR+Pro, would love to move on to these!

Sorry, no trade program. But if you have a proof of purchase, Stance is offering extra discount for the XR.

Thanks!

[tougefactory]

when will they be on the market?

They are instock, ready to ship!

[JoshuaLogan]

+1.

Just looked up the specs on DG-5's and compared them to XR's and they look nearly identical. Assuming the dampers are built to the same spec as the rest of the coil I'd venture to say that these are equal to DG-5... Except less expensive. :D

It's obvious they're ripping off the DG-5s just by the appearance and them now using SWIFT springs. That doesn't mean the dampening is the same though. :P

[tougefactory]

do they go low low?

Yes! They do.

[tougefactory]

Shock Dyno?

Because as of right now I see a Fortune Auto coilover (Big piston monotubes) with Swift springs (can be purchased for ~$350) and an inverted damper for 2.5x the price.

Not trying to knock Stance, but the damper is what makes a coilover. I know Swift springs are good, but what about the dampers?

Fortune is 50mm and not inverted. XR is definitely not the same. :)

[tougefactory]

In for the dyno aswell
and please elaborate on this:

D1GP Japan and D1SL Japan.

[tougefactory]

In for the dyno aswell
and please elaborate on this:

It's obvious they're ripping off the DG-5s just by the appearance and them now using SWIFT springs. That doesn't mean the dampening is the same though. :P

How's it obvious? Stance stated that XR is a completely different than the GR+. Stance has collaborated with Swift because their springs are good. Swift springs come standard on the GR+2 and GR+3 also.

[Slammed Assassin]

these are very tempting!!!

[amdnivram]

I guess i just found which coil overs will be replacing my gr+ pro's.

[97240TB]

How's it obvious? Stance stated that XR is a completely different than the GR+. Stance has collaborated with Swift because their springs are good. Swift springs come standard on the GR+2 and GR+3 also.

If you guys are distributing these with the swift springs does that also mean you will be a distributor for swift now or are you just selling the stance product?

[tougefactory]

If you guys are distributing these with the swift springs does that also mean you will be a distributor for swift now or are you just selling the stance product?

We're a master distributor for Swift as well.

We have instock of over 100's of Swift springs.

If you need anything else, like lowering springs or even sway bars, contact us for a quote.

Thanks!

[SoSideways]

How's it obvious? Stance stated that XR is a completely different than the GR+.

Just curious, but are the DG-5 coils also called the GR+?

Because if not, then where did Stance state that the XR is different than the DG-5?

[ManoNegra]

D1GP Japan and D1SL Japan.

Which drivers?
are they sponsored drivers that got them for free
or privateers that spent their hard earned money on something because it works?

it may sound like I'm hating but I honestly think that if you're coming here
to promote a product aimed to the higher end spectrum of the market
you need to be ready to answer some questions and not just feed us the marketing BS.

I'm on a set of Zeals I'm not completely in love with
but it seems like my next suspension will be of European origin

still waiting on the dyno btw
don't tell me that Stance with all the R&D invested in these and countelss other products doesn't have a shock dyno on site

[Perfect Balance]

Fortune is 50mm and not inverted. XR is definitely not the same. :)
You said outer diameter is 60mm.

Fortune Auto's outer diameter is 57mm.

That's close enough for me (and not worth 2.5 the price) if the shock dynos on the Stances' aren't worth a crap.


Shock dyno please.

[slideways2004]

all you guys asking for shock dyno's, do you even know how to read them?? Do you know what to look for on the graph?

It seems like you guys just want a dyno test performed without even being able to analyze the results.

[Souljahzs13]

all you guys asking for shock dyno's, do you even know how to read them?? Do you know what to look for on the graph?

It seems like you guys just want a dyno test performed without even being able to analyze the results.

LOL... that is so true. Many do ask for it, but there are a few on here that can analyze the results. I'm in for a dyno test also

[PerilousActs]

Yes, some of us are more educated than a lot of the people going OMG NEW COILS!1

[tougefactory]

Which drivers?
are they sponsored drivers that got them for free
or privateers that spent their hard earned money on something because it works?

it may sound like I'm hating but I honestly think that if you're coming here
to promote a product aimed to the higher end spectrum of the market
you need to be ready to answer some questions and not just feed us the marketing BS.

I'm on a set of Zeals I'm not completely in love with
but it seems like my next suspension will be of European origin

still waiting on the dyno btw
don't tell me that Stance with all the R&D invested in these and countelss other products doesn't have a shock dyno on site

This thread was posted late last night. It's been less than 12 hrs since I posted this thread. I'm trying to answer all the questions as fast as possible. But I'm quite busy here at work also! Sorry!!! Please be patient. :)

They are all privateers. Takatori (D1GP), Fukuyama (D1SL), Teramachi (D1SL). They have no reason to run Stance products on their car unless it was good, this is their job. I know Fukuyama tested coilovers from a Taiwan manufacturer from a shop in Japan that was bring them in, he got them for free. He wasn't happy with the performance and the front damper snapped while testing. He purchased Stance afterwards and also had his friend Teramachi purchase as well.

Takatori drove for Bridge Racing in USA for Formula D. The car he drove in had Stance coilovers on the car. Since then he also purchased Stance coilovers for all his cars in Japan.

I have the dyno but as soon as I get an approval I will post it, as it is a proprietary information.

[tougefactory]

You said outer diameter is 60mm.

Fortune Auto's outer diameter is 57mm.

That's close enough for me (and not worth 2.5 the price) if the shock dynos on the Stances' aren't worth a crap.


Shock dyno please.

ok. Taiwan's site states 50mm.

[95KA-Turbo]

I am curious to see the shock dyno as well, just because I'd like to compare it to a proper shock like a Bilstein/Koni/JRZ/Moton/etc. So far, Fortunes have the only shock dyno that shows a digressive compression curve out of all of the affordable coilover companies - I'm not saying Fortunes are as good as Moton, et al. but those companies all have digressive valving.

For those asking about going low, with Swift springs you can get a 6" spring up front and basically go low enough to touch the subframe to the ground with basically any coilover.


For those interested in reading about damper tuning:

http://www.theoryinpracticeengineering.com/drift_mag/Damper_tuning.pdf

[Perfect Balance]

ok. Taiwan's site states 50mm.I can't seem to find the Taiwanese site. Have a link?

[PoorMans180SX]

I can't seem to find the Taiwanese site. Have a link?

He's talking about Home - Fortune Auto USA. Home of 50mm Performance Coilovers, Titanium Shift Knobs & Titanium Lug nuts (http://www.fortune-auto.net/) without actually naming names.

If these are better than regular Stance GR+Pros, then they have to be nice. I have multiple friends on them, and they're great coils. I want to ride in a car with XR's on it.

Also, as far as I know, Stance are the only decently priced coils with inverted monotube front dampers, so that's a +1 for Stance.

[EDacIouSX]

these sure do look pretty nice.

[nxt774]

+1.

Just looked up the specs on DG-5's and compared them to XR's and they look nearly identical. Assuming the dampers are built to the same spec as the rest of the coil I'd venture to say that these are equal to DG-5... Except less expensive. :D


by 200 bucks....

im going to venture and say since both probably come from the same place in korea and now come with the same swift springs that they are the same. but come on would you rather say im rocking stance or DG5?

thats all it comes down to... i miss my kei office d1 specs, best coils i have ever owned hands down

[SoSideways]

If these are better than regular Stance GR+Pros, then they have to be nice. I have multiple friends on them, and they're great coils. I want to ride in a car with XR's on it.

I dunno man, I'm not in love with my GR+, at all.

Always found them to have way too much compression when the rebound is near the sweet spot.

And I also think I'm over the whole linear valving thing too.

[PoorMans180SX]

I dunno man, I'm not in love with my GR+, at all.

Always found them to have way too much compression when the rebound is near the sweet spot.

And I also think I'm over the whole linear valving thing too.

I know what you mean, but I'm just saying, you can't find a much better price/quality/product support combo than a Stance product. From my dealings with them they are cool. That being said, all my interaction with Fortune Auto/Import Image has been great as well.

Not saying they're the best dampers in the world or anything.

If I'm not mistaken they can revalve them?

[ManoNegra]

This thread was posted late last night. It's been less than 12 hrs since I posted this thread. I'm trying to answer all the questions as fast as possible. But I'm quite busy here at work also! Sorry!!! Please be patient. :)

They are all privateers. Takatori (D1GP), Fukuyama (D1SL), Teramachi (D1SL). They have no reason to run Stance products on their car unless it was good, this is their job. I know Fukuyama tested coilovers from a Taiwan manufacturer from a shop in Japan that was bring them in, he got them for free. He wasn't happy with the performance and the front damper snapped while testing. He purchased Stance afterwards and also had his friend Teramachi purchase as well.

Takatori drove for Bridge Racing in USA for Formula D. The car he drove in had Stance coilovers on the car. Since then he also purchased Stance coilovers for all his cars in Japan.

I have the dyno but as soon as I get an approval I will post it, as it is a proprietary information.

That's somewhat reassuring
any road racing or time attack drivers?

someone once told me and seems like good advice:
never buy high end suspension components if the company can't revalve locally or provide a shock dyno with every shock they sell



If these are better than regular Stance GR+Pros, then they have to be nice. I have multiple friends on them, and they're great coils. I want to ride in a car with XR's on it.

Also, as far as I know, Stance are the only decently priced coils with inverted monotube front dampers, so that's a +1 for Stance.

The zeals I have also sell in that ballpark
their US distributor is local to me and will re-valve
they do seem to charge more than other companies for this service though
and don't have as good a turn around
this is from people I know who've dealt with them and a few calls I've made to them

I know what you mean, but I'm just saying, you can't find a much better price/quality/product support combo than a Stance product. From my dealings with them they are cool. That being said, all my interaction with Fortune Auto/Import Image has been great as well.

Not saying they're the best dampers in the world or anything.

If I'm not mistaken they can revalve them?

Agree, I had a set of the original Stances
and they were very good to talk to on the phone when
I called for z32 fork mounts

no on the re-valving at the time,
they told me they just sell you a replacement shock
(for a decent price I might ad)

but like someone mentioned
linear valving on a primarily street driven car isn't ideal

still wanting to do shorter Swift springs with progressive helper springs on my set up

[SoSideways]

I talked to Scott at Stance awhile back, and he said that they could revalve, but I think they changed it to no revalve after that, since the GR+3 came out.

In any case, even if they can revalve, they cannot get away from the inherent characteristics of the pistons and shim stacks, which is more than likely what gives them the linear valving.

And linear valving doesn't sound ideal for anytime your car will see bumps on the road, period, whether it is on the street or a race track.

Most of these coilovers have WAY TOO MUCH compression and rebound forces pass the 1 meter/second point on the velocity vs force graph, and not enough below it, which makes for harshness over bumps and body roll in fast sweepers.

In any case, if these coilovers have better valving then they may be worth while, but for the price, they're in Koni/Bilstein territory, and their dampers have very good valving and their revalving service are also very good.

[PoorMans180SX]

I'm pretty sure the whole point in revalving is to change the shim stacks.

[silviaguy240]

come on guys thats MSRP price. Gr+ pros had a MSRP of ~$1600 when i bought mine shortly after they came out, did i pay that? No...did my brother pay that two years later? he got em even cheaper than i did. So they'll probably sell for $1800 or so when the specials start rolling around in a few months/year

[SoSideways]

I'm pretty sure the whole point in revalving is to change the shim stacks.

Yeah but you can't change the piston design.

And the piston design will have more of an impact on how the curve will be like more than the shim stack.

Shim stack is mostly where the "knee" of the curve will happen, and how much force there will be.

[Perfect Balance]

He's talking about Home - Fortune Auto USA. Home of 50mm Performance Coilovers, Titanium Shift Knobs & Titanium Lug nuts (http://www.fortune-auto.net/) without actually naming names.
I hope not. That's not a Taiwanese site, and the 50mm is referring to the piston diameter on their cheapest coilovers. The housing is 57mm, and the more expensive ones have bigger ones.


Anyway, still waiting for shock dynos. Again, not trying to knock Stance, I know a lot of people that run them and love them, but after making a "In our opinion this is the best single adjustable coilover you can buy on the market." claim, I'd hope they're at least respectable. Otherwise that's just laughable, this is Ohlins, Zeal, KW, Bilstein, ect territory. Lets see what they've got.

[IMPORTIMAGE]

ok. Taiwan's site states 50mm.
Actually the site says 50mm INNER piston size. The outer diameter is 59mm on Fortune Auto.

Whats the INNER diameter on these coilovers?

I didn't want to get involved in this since it's not usually my thing. But state facts.

Thanks.

[soreballz]

Vendor battle!

Where's my popcorn?!

[IMPORTIMAGE]

Vendor battle!

Where's my popcorn?!

haha no battle here. just want to be clear

[TheRealSy90]

I ordered my fortune's with 12k front and 10k rear. They revalved the dampener for free. Smoothest riding 12k10k car i've ever driven. Very streetable.

[KA240SX808]

Just curious, but are the DG-5 coils also called the GR+?

Because if not, then where did Stance state that the XR is different than the DG-5?

No, DG-5 are coilovers made/designed by the one and only "Drift King" Keiichi Tsuchiya. More info can be found here (http://www.driftspeed.com/index.php?main_page=dg_5).


+1 for Shock Dyno.

[JoshuaLogan]

No, DG-5 are coilovers made/designed by the one and only "Drift King" Keiichi Tsuchiya. More info can be found here (http://www.driftspeed.com/index.php?main_page=dg_5).


+1 for Shock Dyno.

I think he was being sarcastic, dude. We know what the DG-5s are.

The point was it looks like these Stance XRs are a direct ripoff of the DG-5s, at least in appearance. Look at them. They're using swift springs and going for the same appearence. It seems like they're just trying to cash in there on the DG-5 looks in hopes that people will think they will offer the same performance (although we know they won't)...

[SoSideways]

Actually, from this shock dyno that Stance posted up back in 2008, they ARE quite close to the DG-5 in valving.

http://www.tougefactory.com/blog/images/stancevs.jpg

As a matter of fact, from that chart, the Stance GR+ has better valving than the DG-5 in terms of velocity below 0.1 m/sec. Not sure whether they plotted the rebound on top or on the bottom (usually they're on the bottom below 0), but on that graph, the dyno on the bottom would also suggest that the Stance has a better curve than the DG-5, if you want a digressive curve, and not one that is over damped.

I can personally say that, on my set of Stance GR+ rear dampers, when I push the shocks down with my hands, it takes more force and takes longer to push down, than for it to expand back to original length, so maybe the dyno graph does suggest there to be way too much compression and not enough rebound.

Also, the reason why I was able to do that, was because I was swapping the 7k springs back out for the 6k springs, and I can say for sure that, the 6k springs are probably what the dampers are valved for, not the 7k springs as Stance said previously, because the car was not bouncy on the 6k springs, but was a bit bouncy on the 7k springs. And if I stiffened up the dampers with the 7k springs, the car just acted like a pogo stick, and bounced and skipped across every irregularity on the road surface, while with the 6k springs, it soaked up the bumps quite well, and is actually much more controllable.

Settings were 7 clicks back towards soft, starting from full hard. I would turn the adjusters all the way to the full hard setting, and then back them up from there, as these dampers do not all have only 15 clicks either way. One had like 16 clicks, and one even had 17 clicks.

[240KA]

i like those "racing gear" coilovers. are those the JTC's?

[s14freak93901]

just because it has black chasing and swift springs doesn't mean they are knocking off DG5.

who knows...maybe these will be better valved then the DG's. only the dyno will say and someone who has actually tested them.

[Perfect Balance]

Stance does have pretty decent valving, I remember seeing this graph a long time ago. DG-5 isn't actually that good according to that graph, so I never knew why everyone was on DG-5s nuts, although that's the only shock dyno from them I have seen.

This still doesn't mean that these new Stance coilovers have good valving, it's not the same damper obviously. Like I said, that price is KW, Ohlins, Bilstein, ect, ect, territory. Let's see what they've got.

[SoSideways]

Stance does have pretty decent valving, I remember seeing this graph a long time ago. DG-5 isn't actually that good according to that graph, so I never knew why everyone was on DG-5s nuts, although that's the only shock dyno from them I have seen.

Because DG-5s are designed and valved to the Drift King's specifications yo.

And like all of the D1 guys run them.















(they run them mostly because of politics, but hey, fanbois will say otherwise).

[slider2828]

Yeah that racing gear is nice......

[s14freak93901]

if it's free to run...fuck it.

[CrimsonRockett]

I just threw on some Stance GR+ Pro's on my brother's S14 and absolutely love them. Ridden on several different S-chassis with different Stance coilovers and have nothing but good things to say about them.

I really am looking forward to these.

[tricky_ab]

I had seen a HPI version of DG-5 coilovers in the latest Drift Tengoku magazine. It's interesting to see more companies using the same "line" of coilovers...

[anton1o]

(they run them mostly because of politics, but hey, fanbois will say otherwise).

oh so so true.

[stricnynel0s]

i run gr+ pro, and i am far from a pro dirfter, i dont touge every downill offramp on the parkway, but they kick ass for me the stance have been awesome, i rode on silkroads, tein, d2, and kei office, and i still perfer my stance !!

[thefro526]

(they run them mostly because of politics, but hey, fanbois will say otherwise).

You would think someone would've realized that Tsuchiya would be biased to those running his Suspension. Lol.

Back on topic though, Will Stance be offering Top Hats with Camber and Caster Adjustment anytime soon? I think that's going to be one of the deciding factors when I buy my next set of coils, and I really like the XR.

[SoSideways]

They talked about it, and even had a picture of their prototype, but I haven't seen anything else about it.

BTW, their GR+ coilovers are best paired with the 8/6k springs, as the 9/7k springs are a bit too much for the damper to handle, unless you turn the damping rate up, which in turn makes the car bounce like a pogo stick.

[Z33dori]

if they are better than GR+pro then they are def worth the money.


I enjoy my pbms, but i convinced everyone else that i hung with to buy Stance. The GR+(8/6) were alright not super great, but the Pro(10/8) were pretty amazing.




And when you guys are saying too much and too lil rebound/comp what do you mean. From what learned in class and books... More = More resistance or tights ( Takes more force to compress or return, Less = lower resistance so compress easy and return easy.

[SoSideways]

Compression is just what it sounds like, when a shock compresses, like when you push down on it.

The higher the force, the more resistance it will have, aka it will be harder to compress the shock.

Rebound deals with when the shock expands after being compressed, and the same applies for the stiffness of the rebounds as it is with the compression.

IIRC, a phenomenon known as jacking occurs when you increase the rebound too much, and it causes the shock to keep shortening and shortening itself after each bump, if you don't give it time to expand.

[Z33dori]

Compression is just what it sounds like, when a shock compresses, like when you push down on it.

The higher the force, the more resistance it will have, aka it will be harder to compress the shock.

Rebound deals with when the shock expands after being compressed, and the same applies for the stiffness of the rebounds as it is with the compression.

IIRC, a phenomenon known as jacking occurs when you increase the rebound too much, and it causes the shock to keep shortening and shortening itself after each bump, if you don't give it time to expand.


i see, i dont recall hearing about this.

[Pandapants]

After learning about dampers and how to read graphs, I find that old Tengoku graph very interesting. Even more interesting when people say "x" coilovers suck, "y" coilovers are better. I wish PSM offered less ambiguous numbers so I could plot them on a graph and really "see" what I'm "feeling".

[SoSideways]

Bear in mind that I'm not here to bash any one, any company, or their products with what I am about to say, but just stating my opinion.

Any time you see suspension pieces like coilovers being sold, if the company that sells them refuse to post dyno graphs of their dampers, there's usually a reason for it, and the reason is that the graph will probably show you a pretty crappy linear curve, along with too much compression and not enough rebound.

[Perfect Balance]

Bear in mind that I'm not here to bash any one, any company, or their products with what I am about to say, but just stating my opinion.

Any time you see suspension pieces like coilovers being sold, if the company that sells them refuse to post dyno graphs of their dampers, there's usually a reason for it, and the reason is that the graph will probably show you a pretty crappy linear curve, along with too much compression and not enough rebound.Agreed. Still waiting on a dyno, and I'm sure a lot of other people here are as well.

[stockbee]

I know I still am.

[s14freak93901]

Bear in mind that I'm not here to bash any one, any company, or their products with what I am about to say, but just stating my opinion.

Any time you see suspension pieces like coilovers being sold, if the company that sells them refuse to post dyno graphs of their dampers, there's usually a reason for it, and the reason is that the graph will probably show you a pretty crappy linear curve, along with too much compression and not enough rebound.

couldn't say it any better. lets see if stance will let him post it. they better for the damn price.

[motorsporttc]

screw the stance I want to find a set of Racing Gear now.....

[SlideOrDie831]

grave dig or whatever. these are built in the same factory has DG5. just built to stances specs.