Godspeed new toe arms vs pbm

[mrchomponthis]

seriously?
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g193/mrchomponthis/DSC_3767.jpg
http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g193/mrchomponthis/1246577294_2_FT0_p1040842.jpg

[wh0aitznic0]

Looks like a shitty version of the PBM's. Just like their X brace looks like a shitty version of the real Next.

I fucking hate Godspeed.

[PerilousActs]

Wow...new levels of low. And they are going to sell like hotcakes thanks to the brokedicks.

[CleanAndLegit]

wow.... exact replicas....wow.... people are really gonna start buying these....

[mrchomponthis]

I mean it's terrible they copied them, but its a pretty smart with marketing.

[TheRealSy90]

I don't see what your complaining about.

You might as well say "Only Chrysler vehicles should have power steering."

Let them do what them want, we know what is better.

[upsdude]

wow.... exact replicas....wow.... people are really gonna start buying these....



i think that's why they came out with them lol

[wh0aitznic0]

I hope these break at the bend and sends anybody cheap enough to buy them into a ditch.

[SAKURA]

...........

[Okinawandrifter87]

I hope these break at the bend and sends anybody cheap enough to buy them into a ditch.

This. Ftw lol.

[KaminaSan]

looks as if both were made by the same taiwanese factory to me

Exactly what I was about to say.

I have had ISIS coilovers for almost a year now, everyone called them Chinese shit. They never broke on me like people said(Thank God).

[mrchomponthis]

that isn't even funny thats just sick
I hope these break at the bend and sends anybody cheap enough to buy them into a ditch.

[s13 @ fullboost]

godspeed is a company that has its stuff made in the same factory as other big brand name parts the difference is quality control godspeed has lets say 400 turbos made a month when HKS has 25.

[Corbic]

godspeed is a company that has its stuff made in the same factory as other big brand name parts the difference is quality control godspeed has lets say 400 turbos made a month when HKS has 25.

Bull shit. Show me a picture of the assembly line or shut the fuck up.

[Thug Life]

Dont buy these.

[khilgers]

I hope these break at the bend and sends anybody cheap enough to buy them into a ditch.

or into a wall and totalling my homeys car
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs466.snc3/25611_398312547896_509832896_4032633_7337613_n.jpg

I wouldn't buy either one of them.

[thefro526]

When I first saw this Toe Arm I lol-ed.

The bearing on it looks like complete junk, not to mention they totally ripped the geometry from PBM. I'd save my money and just buy the real thing.

Bull shit. Show me a picture of the assembly line or shut the fuck up.

You'd be surprised at how often this happens in China. I don't know if it's true in this particular case, but more often than not a factory will make more of a certain item than a particular customer orders and the excess will be sold to whoever. Or even, in some cases you can contact a factory and order a part that they already make for another company.

We see it all the time at my job.

[s14freak93901]

so, a snapped toe arm sent him into the wall? don't even bother to blame PBM. all arms have a breaking point. a friend snapped his SPL ruca on his s14 on track. he didn't give a shit. he got another from them. end of story.

[Corbic]

or into a wall and totalling my homeys car
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs466.snc3/25611_398312547896_509832896_4032633_7337613_n.jpg

I wouldn't buy either one of them.

Are you sure that is not the result of the accident instead of cause.

This is also more reason to avoid suspect parts, not more reason to get them.

[240sxdriftin]

all PBM parts are made in Taiwan including coilovers....except their rucas of course

http://www.windflowers.com.tw/index.htm?pid=4&Prod_Class=50&Prod_Type=51

[TirePusher]

all PBM parts are made in Taiwan including coilovers....except their rucas of course

Welcome Windflowers Racing Parts (http://www.windflowers.com.tw/index.htm?pid=4&Prod_Class=50&Prod_Type=51)

hmmm this is interesting....

[slomar91]

looks as if both were made by the same taiwanese factory to me

+1

Whats the point of this thread again?

[iHateMySilvia]

+1

Whats the point of this thread again?

WWIII :bite:

[240sxdriftin]

+1

Whats the point of this thread again?

To prove PBM's false advertising of "Japan" parts?

[slomar91]

To prove PBM's false advertising of "Japan" parts?

oh ok :werd:

[chiboy002]

that's why i bought battle version (hopes they aren't taiwanese also) :bite:

[harangatang]

After having a set of PBM ruca's completely seize and rust to hell in <18 months, I went with SPL. Thanks anyway.
I'd save the money and buy the Godspeeds.

[s14freak93901]

all PBM parts are made in Taiwan including coilovers....except their rucas of course

Welcome Windflowers Racing Parts (http://www.windflowers.com.tw/index.htm?pid=4&Prod_Class=50&Prod_Type=51)

i had a feeling about that. i know they would coppy the design but not an exact replica. i knew they didn't produce their toe and tension.

[nismo 240sx]

these shit are beefy!! am running them with no issues

[az_240]

I went with SPL also... I've had absolutely no issues. It is worth paying the extra money for peace of mind. No sense in risking your life for cheap parts.... also you will likely need to change the bearings on those gs arms after a short time if they do manage to hold up.

[S14kouki_10]

Fuck this cheap shit.

[PoorMans180SX]

From what I can tell, PSM stands behind their products and will replace something if it's a product deficiency (Rusted, poor welds, etc)

They never advertise their products as from Japan. They just say they are a garage based in Japan, which they are.

[CaptainVlad]

I'm sorry but some of you fucking people are stupid. Its a business. You think they are the only ones that do it...

half the shit that you have on your car someone else made first, then other companies started to replicate them.

Goes along with the whole power steering example other dude said.

Besides... some of the PBM stuff looked exactly the same as some company called wind or flower, or something.

[xBlastoisex]

SPL is legit as fuck.

[GabeS14]

I'm sorry but some of you fucking people are stupid. Its a business. You think they are the only ones that do it...

half the shit that you have on your car someone else made first, then other companies started to replicate them.

Goes along with the whole power steering example other dude said.

Besides... some of the PBM stuff looked exactly the same as some company called wind or flower, or something.

Exactley, this thread should go along with the PBM/SPL subframe spacers thread..
lol.. people act like just ebcause a brand advertises their shit as original or (JDM) it all of a sudden is super safe and superior and just because a small new brand is in the market trying to work their way up the performance parts industry we call them shit, (due to ignorance of course)
Every company starts small and starts cheap and works their way up in quality and in customer support.
IF PBM were original their RUCAS and other susp parts weouldn't lookm exactley like everyother jap brands parts..
and if All HKS turbos were original then no other brand turbos would look the same, and all specs woudl be different..
which is not the case..there is nothing wrong with imitating a good design or idea..
the only thing wrong with that is if you claim you created it first!

[GabeS14]

I'm sorry but some of you fucking people are stupid. Its a business. You think they are the only ones that do it...

half the shit that you have on your car someone else made first, then other companies started to replicate them.

Goes along with the whole power steering example other dude said.

Besides... some of the PBM stuff looked exactly the same as some company called wind or flower, or something.

Exactley, this thread should go along with the PBM/SPL subframe spacers thread..
lol.. people act like just because a brand advertises their shit as original or (JDM) it all of a sudden is super safe and superior and just because a small new brand is in the market trying to work their way up the performance parts industry we call them shit, (due to ignorance of course)
Every company starts small and starts cheap and works their way up in quality and in customer support.
( just like every one of us start off and some sort of ricer and work our way up in knowledge and age and learn better)

IF PBM were original their RUCAS and other susp parts wouldn't look exactley like every other jap brands parts..
and if All HKS turbos were original then no other brand turbos would look the same, and all specs would be different..
which is not the case..there is nothing wrong with imitating a good design or idea..
the only thing wrong with that is if you claim you created it first!

Hypocrisy and ignorance is a big thing in the US car enthusiast market..

imagine if every time a new shop opened up in japan, the japanes were like "

"we dont like that east side junk...they are just copying uras..or hks..blah blah,,their shit is gonna break on you and your gonna drift into a wall...."

[Corbic]

Exactley, this thread should go along with the PBM/SPL subframe spacers thread..
lol.. people act like just because a brand advertises their shit as original or (JDM) it all of a sudden is super safe and superior and just because a small new brand is in the market trying to work their way up the performance parts industry we call them shit, (due to ignorance of course)
Every company starts small and starts cheap and works their way up in quality and in customer support.
( just like every one of us start off and some sort of ricer and work our way up in knowledge and age and learn better)

IF PBM were original their RUCAS and other susp parts wouldn't look exactley like every other jap brands parts..
and if All HKS turbos were original then no other brand turbos would look the same, and all specs would be different..
which is not the case..there is nothing wrong with imitating a good design or idea..
the only thing wrong with that is if you claim you created it first!

Hypocrisy and ignorance is a big thing in the US car enthusiast market..

imagine if every time a new shop opened up in japan, the japanes were like "

"we dont like that east side junk...they are just copying uras..or hks..blah blah,,their shit is gonna break on you and your gonna drift into a wall...."

Is there actually any effort or do you just spew bullshit naturally?

Companies with a history of quality products have always built quality products. Ferrari did not start off building yugos and work their way up to super cars.

Yes, over time some companies try to move up to a more respectable (and profitable) market segment but its a struggle that always brings skepticism and raised eyebrows.

HKS, Greddy, Koni, et al did not build bargain bin garbage parts and suddenly got a killer rep. If you honestly think a HKS and Godspeed turbo are the same you fucking moron. There is a lot more that goes into a part then "appearances". Material quality, tolerances, quality inspections, warranty et al.

But by all means, but all the crap Chinese eBay parts you want...keep telling your self their just "debaged name brand shit". :goyou:

[WERDdabuilder]

lock this shit up and any other thread that comes up about comparing companies about arms/risers. there is enough information on this forum to help people make up their own damn mind about who/what to buy from. stop bitching about people buying cheap shit because its not your cash/car.

[rat240]

China Blow Off Valve, Racing Seat, Steering Wheel, Intercooler, Oil Cooler, Exhaust Muffler Catalog - Mentor Parts International Co., Ltd. (http://nbmentor.en.made-in-china.com/product-list-1.html)
hahah fake brides

[anotherblusi]

lock this shit up and any other thread that comes up about comparing companies about arms/risers. there is enough information on this forum to help people make up their own damn mind about who/what to buy from. stop bitching about people buying cheap shit because its not your cash/car.

You would think so wouldn't you... but unfortunately 90% of the people on this forum are morons and can't make up there minds without the influence of others. Which is why zilvia should allow both positive and negative reviews of products.

When PBM first came out, everyone jumped on the bandwagon, so you have a bunch of threads praising their products. But unbeknown to most people were that PBM parts were barely any better than Megan, Gospeed, or any other china/taiwan brand suspension part often times being the exact some product except for color and logo. This thread is proof positive that people are still clueless of that fact.

If threads praising lower end parts are allowed, threads talking crap about them should be allowed as well.

BTW the only U.S. suspension company that started from the very beginning with their own design and U.S. hand built parts was BATTLE VERSION. Even SPL arms were china/tawain parts when they first started.

[CaptainVlad]

Since we are on the subject, he is the thing I was talking about.
Welcome Windflowers Racing Parts (http://www.windflowers.com.tw/index.htm?pid=4&Prod_Class=50&Prod_Type=51)

before PBM got this popular, a lot of their stuff looked exactly like the stuff on that site, and someone even posted a shipping order form, from windflowers to PBM.

Just saying... get off the high horse.


http://www.iealing.com/tn/Query?shipper=windflowers-information-company

[PoorMans180SX]

Guess who got windflower to make toe arms that were bent? If you answered PSM, you are right.

[IMPORTIMAGE]

to whoever said taiwanese parts were bad.....90% of car parts are made there even tein coils nowadays. Doesn't mean there bad. Just saying....anyways....

My point of view on the subject is, If a company stands behind their product and it works then it doesnt matter where it's made! Just my 2 cents.

[Carbomb]

welcome to USA land of the free living on parts made from CHINA

DEAL WITH IT

[CaptainVlad]

No one is saying its bad, its just people on here seem to think that PBM is the best thing in the world, and that anything that isn't PBM is utter garbage.

Goes along with the whole subframe riser thing.

[GabeS14]

Exactley. Even the hatred that posted here don't seam to
Undertand the point of th OP. Lol

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[nathanong87]

From what I can tell, PSM stands behind their products and will replace something if it's a product deficiency (Rusted, poor welds, etc)


my RUCAs were rusted/seized/frozen and after talking with dan they didn't offer a replacement or tradeback+cash program (not that i was pushing it or cared because we eventually got them un-frozen). just saying really.

[thefro526]

Do people not realize that nearly everything they buy is either made in China, Taiwan or India?

It's not about where it's made it's about the quality that it's made to.

Godspeed products have been notorious for breaking or seizing after short periods or after accidents when they shouldn't have broken. I've personally seen a set of Godspeed arms go to crap after being on a car for a few months.

As far as PBM breaking, it happens. If the arm doesn't break something else will, so they're designed to break before something more important takes the force of the impact like your subframe or chassis. Also, windflower stuff looks similar to PBM, at least in terms of designing or machining, but some of the bearings look different. I wouldn't be surprised if PBM contracted out Windflower to make their arms for them to their spec, and in turn Windflower makes an excess of arms using the same design but cheaper material and sells them to other vendors. (Happens all the time in various industries, I've seen it first hand.)

All adjusters will seize over time without proper maintenance or cleaning... No matter the brand or coating.

[Tantwoforty]

You get what you pay for.

[Prez]

all i'm saying is my underwear is gold and orange and has powered logos on the elastic strap.... so in turn my underwear kicks your underwear's ass....

[510-SR20DET]

What's wrong with Godspeed? Is it because it breaks? Then tell me why you are still buying Bride,
http://zilvia.net/f/chat/319162-recaro-vs-bride.html
Yall are full of shit.

[Prez]

cause who runs reclinable seats.... that doesnt hard park in the local school yard at age 33

[510-SR20DET]

cause who runs reclinable seats....

Your mom, your dad, your sister, your brother, your whole family does...

[Prez]

pretty sure none of them rock brides or recaros or even anything that wasnt bolted into the car when they bought it.

[bllabong89]

RAWWWRRRRRRRRR PEOPLE...RAWWWWRRRRRRRR.lol

[iamtheyi]

^ lol I was just about to post that when I saw you had already beaten me to the punch :]. I have nothing to add to this thread. Everyone will buy whatever they want IDC and YOU shouldn't either 8]

[gotta240]

.....................

[gotta240]

or into a wall and totalling my homeys car
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs466.snc3/25611_398312547896_509832896_4032633_7337613_n.jpg

I wouldn't buy either one of them.


How about you give us more information on the above post? Those looke like PBM arms.... Explain more please. LEaving a two sentance post with a picture of a broken part is hardley helpful.

[Bushido]

i like gold and orange stuff.

shiny

[Corbic]

These are only 25% cheaper then PBM... with such little savings, why bother?

[GabeS14]

These are only 25% cheaper then PBM... with such little savings, why bother?

Just give up Bro....
lol...25% is not much savings??? are you kidding me..

[Corbic]

Just give up Bro....
lol...25% is not much savings??? are you kidding me..

It's a $100 at most for the complete set. Oh noes, no bar hoping tonight! Wait I'm at Main St now O_o

[Prez]

Your dumb... really really dumb.... for real...

[Corbic]

Your dumb... really really dumb.... for real...

Your 20 and $100 is a half a pay check for you. :cj:

[Prez]

run and tell dat!

[chiboy002]

corbic, he was referencing the stupid black guy video

[Prez]

yea... home boy.... relax... trying to lighten the mood... cause all you twats are gonna argue who has the bigger rod till it gets closed anyway....until a direct test of both arms in a pressure limitation and other various "tests" you all can bite at each others balls till you trim them bald or just let it go and wet yourself over the different powdercoating options you now can get to make you cream everytime you change your tires.... i'll continue to entertain myself in the corner... rawr

[kalypso123]

anyway have a write-up on how to make your own rods? that would be dope.

[KPNITRL]

anyway have a write-up on how to make your own rods? that would be dope.

no way. Cause next thing you know, there will be a post comparing your rods against Godspeeds, then people will hate you (lol)

[Pandapants]

The psm toe rod looks like it broke after hitting the subframe :squint:

[GabeS14]

no way. Cause next thing you know, there will be a post comparing your rods against Godspeeds, then people will hate you (lol)
Oh yeah and don't forget you will be cheating the companys that spent billions of dollars in design and creating of that "metal rod"
Like some of the jdm/big brand bandwagoners would say.
And then when you realize it's actually quite simple to make and start sellig them for cheap because you want to give back to the community, and share with the fellow enthusiasts, all the hypocritical dumbasses on here will call
You brand cheap junk and make threads so no one buys your shit. Because they were tricked by some big brands to buy their products and pay triple for them. An they feel that's what you should do too, "how dare you come up with a cheaper way to have the same products they sold their asses to be able to buy" lol

I my post sounded sarcastic and full of hate for brand name whore bandwagoner jdm idiotic kids. Then that's prob because it was.





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[Couped_up'd]

Post me a link to a godspeed being made like this. With the same material. K thanks.

YouTube - Parts Shop MAX newest super low S-Chassis camber arm fabrication (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j47Sgvj3Whw&feature=player_embedded)

[Couped_up'd]

so, a snapped toe arm sent him into the wall? don't even bother to blame PBM. all arms have a breaking point. a friend snapped his SPL ruca on his s14 on track. he didn't give a shit. he got another from them. end of story.


Quoted for truth

[sincity_sil80]

i say just let people do what they want, its not hurting anybody but themselves.. nobody is convincing anybody on here to change their minds. If you can afford legit brand name parts then then plus 1 for you, you can laugh when the guy who cant effs up thier car(if that happens) If they can make it work than plus one for them. all im sayin is either way, people are gonna do what they want, lets not get our panties in a wad.

[jacobs13]

you guys are a bunch of pbm fanboys. let people buy what they want

[ayuaddict]

People will buy what they want. That is how it usually works.

[onehundredoctane]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kcJ3FlxyPyk/SmUaPvBtpjI/AAAAAAAAAoM/20_fQ1YDYDc/s400/cartman-1.jpg

[510-SR20DET]

according to this:

http://zilvia.net/f/motorsports-skilled-driving/331564-godspeed-took-2nd-place-willow-springs-redline-time-attack.html

Godspeed arms are good. Track tested? sure - that how they got second place.

According to this

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/319162-recaro-vs-bride.html

Why the fuck would you care about the arms since you don't care about your life anyway?

Also this,

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs466.snc3/25611_398312547896_509832896_4032633_7337613_n.jpg

YALL STILL DEFENDING PBM, LMFAO. YET no picture nor real evident to prove Godspeed arms are garbage.

BTW, i would love to have 25% saving on my bank account. Whoever said 25% is nothing, you are a moron. Your mom trying to save every coupon to feed you and you said 25% is nothing. LOL

[Couped_up'd]

Man, I never said Godspeed sucks. PBM does not suck. Hell ask Matt Powers.

[murda-c]

These are only 25% cheaper then PBM... with such little savings, why bother?

that's 25% more beer money.

[GabeS14]

This thread is going in the right direction now...
Like the guy said any part will snap a car weighs 3500lbs and if you hit a pot hole hard enough or hit a curb or a wall lol. Somethig is going to break.
I hit a curb barely doing 30 and my TEIN tension rod snapped

A car sideswiped me and hit my front wheel and my Stance coilover snapped at the top colar.
I bent Tien tie rods from pothole driving in LA. And bent rear toe arms from an accident.
Pretty much all
Parts will break in some way if you missuse them.

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[sil80sr20]

let people buy what they want. shit who fuckin cares.

simple as that.

[ghettohatch]

I'm sorry but some of you fucking people are stupid. Its a business. You think they are the only ones that do it...

half the shit that you have on your car someone else made first, then other companies started to replicate them.

Goes along with the whole power steering example other dude said.

Besides... some of the PBM stuff looked exactly the same as some company called wind or flower, or something.

all aftermarket parts are knockoff of manufacturer parts, unless you're bone stock, you're running knockoffs

[Corbic]

all aftermarket parts are knockoff of manufacturer parts, unless you're bone stock, you're running knockoffs

your an idiot

[tricky_ab]

all aftermarket parts are knockoff of manufacturer parts, unless you're bone stock, you're running knockoffs

Wait what?!?! :tweak: *Not sure if serious*

[sil80sr20]

^^ yea ghettohatch, youre fuckin stupid hahahahaa

[sincity_sil80]

lmao..not sure if im with you on that one ghettohatch

[Prez]

.... you got dropped... on your head as a child? right? i hope so... otherwise you're smoking the bad weed... or lysol

[chiboy002]

From what I can tell, PSM stands behind their products and will replace something if it's a product deficiency (Rusted, poor welds, etc)

They never advertise their products as from Japan. They just say they are a garage based in Japan, which they are.

the ads say "Japanese debut products" or something... implying they are made in japan i guess.

[GabeS14]

I dont think you guys understood his post..lol
he means is that 90 % of aftermarket company's copied their initial product idea from another company that was already in the market....so it does make sense..
or else turbos from each company would look completely different from one another..
one would be square and the other triangle lol..it's not like they completely developed their own products they just made close copies of products already in the market.

[ghettohatch]

yeah i was messing around, somewhat, just thought of this.
aftermarket companies take an oem design and modify it to "enhance" the product or suit whatever needs of the consumer. Companies like godspeed take it from the aftermarket and enhance it by lowering the price. open your minds a little bit, i'm not biased just like to think from other perspectives.

Also pbm always has the option to offer more competitive prices...