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old_s13

08-26-2003, 11:53 AM

I've always enjoyed seeing galleries that show "cleanest engine bays" and stuff like that. I love how these threads end up with like 10 pages worth of pics to skim through.

What I want to see now, are pictures of the absolute CRAPPIEST motor swaps or turbo setups. I will go ahead and post pics of an old setup my friend had, I am still amazed at how it worked.. non-intercooled, this KA24DET ran for a total of 4 days or something.

Woot woot!

http://www.clearcorners.com/ka01.jpg

more pics:
http://www.clearcorners.com/ka02.jpg
http://www.clearcorners.com/ka03.jpg
http://www.clearcorners.com/ka04.jpg
http://www.clearcorners.com/ka05.jpg
http://www.clearcorners.com/ka06.jpg
http://www.clearcorners.com/ka07.jpg
http://www.clearcorners.com/ka08.jpg
http://www.clearcorners.com/ka09.jpg
http://www.clearcorners.com/ka10.jpg
http://www.clearcorners.com/ka11.jpg
http://www.clearcorners.com/ka12.jpg
http://www.clearcorners.com/ka13.jpg

- Mike / ClearCorners.Com

Kid Zelda

08-26-2003, 12:02 PM

remember .. only typex
http://www.clearcorners.com/240sx/Mechanical04.jpg

Kid Zelda

08-26-2003, 12:07 PM

****ty

Kid Zelda

08-26-2003, 12:12 PM

also ****ty

Kid Zelda

08-26-2003, 12:13 PM

more ****ty

West

08-26-2003, 12:18 PM

Woohoo! My old KA-T s14. So happy I sold that POS.

http://www.zilvia.net/rides/west/3.jpg

Kid Zelda

08-26-2003, 12:31 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WeST
[B]Woohoo! My old KA-T s14. So happy I sold that POS.

[QUOTE]
?
Mark, problematic?

crioten

08-26-2003, 12:43 PM

i know im a moron but whats so bad about all of those swaps, besides like the fan and the lack of an IC on the other one...

im just not seeing it:cry:

West

08-26-2003, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by Kid Zelda
[QUOTE]Originally posted by WeST
[B]Woohoo! My old KA-T s14. So happy I sold that POS.

[QUOTE]
?
Mark, problematic?

Extreeemly! Went through 2 dif clutchs, GT 2510 Compressor Blades were torn to crap, etc etc. I was going to rip it all apart and start over with it but didnt have the time or money.

fastpace

08-26-2003, 12:56 PM

yeah i am missing it to. most of them look okay, but it seems like they just went crazy on the cosmetics.

240silvia

08-26-2003, 02:08 PM

They aren't that bad, however, the non-IC'ed one, what a joke.

ruf

08-26-2003, 02:10 PM

Primarily it's about routing of wires and hoses.

old_s13

08-26-2003, 05:08 PM

Omar is just being a dick, showing pics of my old KA24E :)

come on man, dont hate.. that **** won so many races and was so reliable. I'll remember that one bro. hehe

You guys suck, leave it to me to post the WORST motor work ever.. and I thought you guys call yourselves enthusiasts.

Who took pics of that car at that meet this past weekend, that SR.. I want to see that shiet.

Kid Zelda

08-26-2003, 05:25 PM

Ohh snaps, did homie Ryan tell you about that ?

OooooOOOo soooooo weak, wack, wibble, wobble waste.

I wish I took a digi-cam, it was the worst ! more so then the ka24E

Hey, I found this clearcorners.com/engineswap picture, they do good work

NZO

08-26-2003, 06:16 PM

Mike loves to hate :mad:

Kreator

08-27-2003, 09:33 AM

ummm whats wrong with that first turbo pic?

Looks waaaaaaaay cleaner than what i had lol

sorry dont' have a completed pic, but i can post a partially assembled one when i get home.

old_s13

08-27-2003, 09:59 AM

and this folks, is why so many people here are ghetto.. because they dont know better.

Kreator

08-27-2003, 10:28 AM

Originally posted by old_s13
and this folks, is why so many people here are ghetto.. because they dont know better.

eh?

if that was addressed to me, than honestly, i don't thing there is anything wrong with the first pic other than the absence of the ic... and that isn't that much of a wrong thing for low boost...

I ain't got 4K to kill on a NICE turbo kit, and hey if it runs it runs. Ace's car also has a jbwelded oil pan bung i believe. Didn't restrict him from winning the SM class. :rolleyes:

AKADriver

08-27-2003, 03:27 PM

I wish I'd kept some of the pictures I've seen for this thread. I've found the most reliable source of the ugliest, nastiest engine swap pictures to be eBay... people selling their SR-powered cars, probably because they run like *** with no fan or mech. fan with no shroud, bird's nest wiring, vacuum lines all over... They're always, always nasty dinged-up looking red tops with that grease pencil sheit all over, too :D JDM HANDWRITING!

When I was shopping for my S13, I gave thought to buying a car that was already swapped, but I'm too much of a perfectionist, I'd never find one that didn't scare me in some way.

What else... oh yeah, they've always got the stock KA radiator action, no heat shield on the ugly rusty stock turbo manifold, some kind of sheisty shiny mushroom-shaped "HKS style" air filter, fuse box just kind of dangling... ooh, or sometimes they cash out for the $250 top mount turbo manifold then don't bother to heat shield the master cylinder reservoir in any way.

Speaking of the master cylinder, who saw that thread on Freshalloy a while back where some dude relocated his master cylinder to the front corner of the engine bay? COMEDY GOLD.

If this describes your engine bay, don't get offended... either thumb your nose at my anal-retentiveness, or fix it!

DudeYourSoOOJDM

08-27-2003, 04:05 PM

When your butt connector and zip tie count is more than the HP you are making....Your setup is Ghetto. haha

old_s13

08-27-2003, 04:23 PM

"Speaking of the master cylinder, who saw that thread on Freshalloy a while back where some dude relocated his master cylinder to the front corner of the engine bay? COMEDY GOLD."

Yeah, I remember he tried to say he "triangulated" on his PC if his car was in an accident, how the setup was sturdy and it would not get effected.. uh huh..

Firewall = most sturdy part of the car, that is where the MC should be, period.

- Mike

crazyikimasho

08-27-2003, 09:53 PM

Originally posted by WeST
Woohoo! My old KA-T s14. So happy I sold that POS.

http://www.zilvia.net/rides/west/3.jpg

Mark I have that BOV now that you sold to me some time ago, it going onto my RB25.

Fastback180

08-28-2003, 02:08 PM

Originally posted by Kid Zelda
remember .. only typex
http://www.clearcorners.com/240sx/Mechanical04.jpg

Ohh no! KA18E!

azn_romeox

08-28-2003, 03:32 PM

Originally posted by Fastback180
Ohh no! KA18E!

is that an inside joke or something?

Fastback180

08-28-2003, 03:44 PM

Yes...To me it is. You'd have to see this one CA.

Kid Zelda

08-28-2003, 04:39 PM

Originally posted by azn_romeox
is that an inside joke or something?

Nope, no inside joke, it is REAL

First 180sx with KA24E, built by clearcorners.com.
will be in Super Street very Very SOON !

Fastback180

08-28-2003, 07:31 PM

No. Here's the CA that it reminded me of...

old_s13

08-29-2003, 09:22 AM

Thats one impressive setup! Quite the opposite of my old motor setup. :)

AceInHole

08-29-2003, 09:40 AM

Originally posted by Kreator
I ain't got 4K to kill on a NICE turbo kit, and hey if it runs it runs. Ace's car also has a jbwelded oil pan bung i believe. Didn't restrict him from winning the SM class. :rolleyes:

well, my car is still a work in progress.... i'd LIKE to have everything cleaned up so that when problems come up (and they DO come up) it's easier to debug and fix.

It's getting there though:

From this:
http://www.engr.uconn.edu/~corrales/240/turbo_v2/turbo_front.JPG

To this:
http://pj.240sxone.com/albums/album09/IMG_6707.jpg

240silvia

08-29-2003, 12:27 PM

I don't know if it's the picture quality, or just the setup, but it just looks dirty, no offense to you man, but do what you can and post another picture.

crioten

08-29-2003, 02:15 PM

blah, who cares if its dirty, it either works or doesnt....

and its used for autox, not a show queen, so what would be the point to clean/polish it all up if its gonna get dirty again a couple of days later

hadokenny

08-29-2003, 04:26 PM

sorry if i sound like a noob, but how can u tell a swap is clean or not? other than the messy wiring?

Bill Roberts

08-29-2003, 05:07 PM

Pretty easy. Look at a factory setup...clean, everything is mounted and strung correctly, things are in place...easy to deal with and professional.

Ghetto:

Wires touching headers, ugly quality hose layout, poor planning with turbos 1/8 inch away from Master cylinder, bad mounting job of intercoolers, just the obvious custom throw on look.

In a hurry installs.

One that gets me (and I guess I make a bigger deal of it) is when you have the engine out..it is time to refurbish the engine bay. Resand, repaint, degrease, perfect all accessories and change all the hoses like the vac hose on the brake booster etc. Nothing like putting a shining new engine in a greasy/oily engine bay.

Take your time...this is not a race to see who can do it the fastest. Prepare everything.

IT does not take that much effort to detail things to the point where things look proper and are proper. Make sure you have everything acessable for repair as well and just "do it the best it can be done" Far less headaches down the road..really.

You can tell if it is right..it shows.

AceInHole

08-31-2003, 04:59 PM

Originally posted by Bill Roberts
One that gets me (and I guess I make a bigger deal of it) is when you have the engine out..it is time to refurbish the engine bay. Resand, repaint, degrease, perfect all accessories and change all the hoses like the vac hose on the brake booster etc. Nothing like putting a shining new engine in a greasy/oily engine bay.

Sometimes there just isn't time to make things absolutely perfect, though. I had to do my engine swap during Spring break earlier this year and just couldn't get to EVERYTHING I wanted to do. I de-gunked the engine bay, cleaned up what I could (in terms of figuring out what vacuum lines I could run where and which I could just lose altogether) and that was it. I had to drop the engine in so I could have my car back for school.

Take your time...this is not a race to see who can do it the fastest. Prepare everything.
Ideally we'd have lots of time to work on our engines (or cars in general). Unfortunately, that isn't always the case.
I guess it comes down to: I need my car more than I need a sparkling- clean engine bay. I'm stuck to: if I've got extra time (like today :D) I rewire, clean, and polish what I can.

AceInHole

08-31-2003, 05:03 PM

Originally posted by 240silvia
I don't know if it's the picture quality, or just the setup, but it just looks dirty, no offense to you man, but do what you can and post another picture.
It's just dirty. Pic was taken after a 2-day autox event 4 hours away from my hometown. Dirty New England roads make it hard for me to keep the bay clean all the time.

RedlineRacer

08-31-2003, 06:47 PM

Ace, whats up with your MAFS?

Kid Zelda

08-31-2003, 07:02 PM

Example

Mr. T -- Hey fooo , this is Murdocks weeding, you going dressed like that, where’s your tux biatch ?

Mr. Abobo -- Abobo work on car, Abobo is dirty, Abobo not naked, clothes works, that’s all Abobo care.

Mr-T -- Ok FOO, I pitty ju, but you’re gonna ‘ave a hard time pimping in that get-up Foo,
trust… Mr.T is pimpology , I got the magic stick

Mr. Abobo -- Me no care … *tear drops*
:(

theronin

08-31-2003, 09:46 PM

i think nico has some crappy motor swaps, might wanna go look there!:bash:

720_datsun

08-31-2003, 11:32 PM

AceInHole

09-01-2003, 12:20 AM

Originally posted by Kid Zelda
Example

Mr. T -- Hey fooo , this is Murdocks weeding, you going dressed like that, where’s your tux biatch ?

Mr. Abobo -- Abobo work on car, Abobo is dirty, Abobo not naked, clothes works, that’s all Abobo care.

Mr-T -- Ok FOO, I pitty ju, but you’re gonna ‘ave a hard time pimping in that get-up Foo,
trust… Mr.T is pimpology , I got the magic stick

Mr. Abobo -- Me no care … *tear drops*
:(

Is "weeding" gardening? Cause, not a lot of people play in the dirt with tuxedos.
If you meant "wedding", then that'd be more like a car show, and no, a dirty or sloppy engine bay won't win a car show, just like babying the engine through a race so it doesn't get dirty won't win the race.

Warwick5s

09-01-2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by AceInHole
a dirty or sloppy engine bay won't win a car show, just like babying the engine through a race so it doesn't get dirty won't win the race.

:stupid: :D

Kid Zelda

09-01-2003, 01:18 PM

Originally posted by AceInHole
Is "weeding" gardening? Cause, not a lot of people play in the dirt with tuxedos.
If you meant "wedding", then that'd be more like a car show, and no, a dirty or sloppy engine bay won't win a car show, just like babying the engine through a race so it doesn't get dirty won't win the race.

Type-o u freak
I'm just messing with you, dont catch feelings

SimpleS14

09-01-2003, 02:50 PM

Well...

you guys really shouldn't care how the engine bay looks....

its all about whether the damn engine is functional or not...

theronin

09-01-2003, 07:04 PM

but a better installed ie cleaner engine bay will always mean that more time and energy and care was put into it. you cant tell me that an engine with wires everywhere and butt connectors is the safest more reliable way to go? :aw:

AceInHole

09-01-2003, 10:33 PM

Originally posted by Kid Zelda
Type-o u freak
I'm just messing with you, dont catch feelings
sorry... forgot to insert smiley faces. just insert:
:p ;) :doh: and :axe: into my post as necessary :)

AceInHole

09-01-2003, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by theronin
but a better installed ie cleaner engine bay will always mean that more time and energy and care was put into it. you cant tell me that an engine with wires everywhere and butt connectors is the safest more reliable way to go? :aw:

i didn't really notice any engines with wires and butt connectors everywhere, though. for the most part, the problems pictured are: no intercooler (first pic), mis-matched piping (the sohc pic), hoses blocking access to fluids (west's old car), and my turbo setup just after setting it up to test out the hacked MAF under boost.

AKADriver

09-02-2003, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by 95KoukiS14
Well...

you guys really shouldn't care how the engine bay looks....

its all about whether the damn engine is functional or not...

Read my post.

Ugly to me means nonfunctional.. well, less functional. Grime and use of non-bling engine parts isn't the issue. Doing a bad job is. An engine with crap wiring, cooling, etc. just tells me that whoever put it together doesn't care about the health and longevity of their engine and would rather have "the swap, yo" RIGHT NOW.

AIH's engine is dirty but it's not ugly. It's got some thought and care into it and it works, even if it's not a show queen. Nobody should be knocking that.

theronin

09-02-2003, 01:43 PM

i hope nobody thinks i was knockin anyones engine, especially Ace's. AKA summed it up, you know when someone took their time because they really care about the engine and doing it right, and someone who just wanted to do it for the pure trend of it!

crioten

09-02-2003, 02:02 PM

you can also tell someone who just takes a million pics and babbles on and on about their engine, just did it for te simple fact of doing it, not because its someting that is a hobby and requires a ton of hours devoted to the hobby...

even people with no money, like me, do everything they can to make sure our engines run well, and dont worry about spit shining it to a glittering polish

i respect someone who does their own install, and if its their very first one, of course its gonna like like crap untill they figure it out...so it comes down, does it really matter? why should you care so much about someones car, so much that you have to post saying how clean or how nasty a car looks...and dont post needless crap that can hurt someones feelings, this site is here to mainly encourage the happyness of 240's not to be total jackoffs to people who try their best

Kid Zelda

09-02-2003, 02:22 PM

crioten crioten crioten

I respect Ace for the turbo install, hack MAF, etc .. but not his set up as a whole. Why? Because he doesn't care to keep things clean, has unsecrue wires, hoses etc .. that if were kept neat, tight .. then chances of having problems would be less.. make sense ?

Does it really matter ? To most people, NO.. as long as it runs, right ... who cares if I have bloodNgutz -- foo

Ok, crioten .. say you are getting an SR engine swap done

Shop A- Does good work, they make it run, wires all over the palce, butt connectors, hoses running over vavle cover, etc ...

Shop B - They do good work, they make it run, have everything loom, soldered, hide wires, hoses, route everything nice and neat but here's the thing, since they take a little more time, they will charge $70 more

Wow, what a situtation .. where should I go for my swap ... :wtc:

crioten

09-02-2003, 02:57 PM

well i wasnt calling anyone out, but yeah your logic makes sense...and id do the same thing

what im trying to say is why are people so critical of each other? a lot of times people get flamed and arent helped, so they become uninterested in the whole 240 scene...

so why does this have to be an elite club where the only way to join is to prove that you have the knowledge? when i joined i was a moron, but ive learned, and a lot of people are trying to as well. why has it all of a sudden become a popularity contest, instead of a bunch of people having a good time?

i understand that people ask dumbass questions a lot, but maybe there needs to be a little test that says search first then ask, when you sign up for membersip lol

Kid Zelda

09-02-2003, 03:27 PM

As far as the dumb questions go, who cares, if I feel like helping I will, if I see it and get irritated by the dumb questions because.. it they have been asked XXXXXXXXXXXX times, I will rather not reply then tell them "SEARCH FOR IT ". When I cool down, and someone has not told them to search or someone has not helped them out.. then I would help (if I can, or offer suggestions), but that's just I, everyone is different.
I agree this should not be an "ELITE" club were people should just know, you have to start somewhere.

However, you have to admit, there is dumb questions, and then THERE IS dumb questions that call for a ban w/o question ! :p

Remember.. Tough love goes a long way!

SR240SXT

09-02-2003, 03:42 PM

I don't think these engine bays were that bad. I'd for sure rather have a dirty looking engine bay and be turboed than a clean engine and slow (me right now). Yeah AceinHole's might be dirty but he runs a 5.3 0-60 time on that volvo T3 turbo of his, plus he made that kit himself for under $1000 bucks. And about the non intercooled one in the first post...just cause it doesn't have a IC doesn't mean anything, Orion put down like 224 hp @ 5.8 psi or so without an intercooler and it ran fine other than his boost spike one time.

andrave

09-02-2003, 07:25 PM

I'm going to take a **** on the valvecover of my ka24e just so I can digicam it and hang it onto the end of this thread.

theronin

09-03-2003, 12:40 AM

lol beatcha to it!:fart:

240silvia

09-03-2003, 03:18 AM

Originally posted by crioten
blah, who cares if its dirty, it either works or doesnt....

and its used for autox, not a show queen, so what would be the point to clean/polish it all up if its gonna get dirty again a couple of days later

No one said he had to be a "show queen" but having something presentable would be nice.

old_s13

09-03-2003, 09:37 AM

Sometimes you guys are clueless, LOOK at the facking **** welds on that first DOHC KA turbo I showed you.. it looks like it was done by my sister.. I dont even HAVE a sister, that just goes to show you how messed up it is.

Fack that.. ghetto is ghetto. I got no love for people who do shady work, they should be practicing FIRST on something, then putting it into action on the roads.