Spray vs V8, pick your "cheat card"

[articdragon192]

Just a quick advisory, this is drift related. Just to not waste the time of those who care less about drifting.

With that said...

I'm sure everyone's seen the rise of V8s in FormulaD. From S-chassis to RXs, to other imports, V8s seem to be a dime a dozen on the field, and of course, they are those with thier qualms.

Across the ocean, horsepower wars have been going on as well. Few years back, 500hp was the mark. Corollas ran NOS, turbo set ups to keep up with the Silvias running SR, RB, 1J and 2Js. Now, cars are approaching the 1000hp mark. Kumakubo, one of the best drifters in Japan, has to change out his JUN built EvoX because he's barely qualifying, when he does qualify. His new chassis under construction is powered an RB26 with NOS pushing for 1000 hp. All just to keep up and be competitive again.

Two different means to the same result: more power.

My question is, which is worse? Nos or the V8?
And more questions for the discussion...
Should power be capped? Different power classes? Are these horsepower races healthy to the sport?

My opinion?
I don't see a problem with V8s in imports, or NOS for more power. However, these horsepower wars do lead to leaving only those with deeps pockets being able to support these high HP builds. Leaving those entering fighting an uphill, but highly respectable battle. I did here about tire to weight restrictions and such, which would also affect power levels and how cars are built and tuned.

[Teddy]

V8s don't belong in imports that didn't come factory with them.

Now with that argument (V8s vs. NOS), NOS becomes a completely irrelevant topic because most argue about the motor itself, not the method for acquiring more power. A V8 with NOS is still a V8 to me, and an I6 with NOS is still an I6.

As for Formula Drift, I would much rather see a separation of classes. An "Unlimited Class" open to V8s and all those who desire to compete against them, and a class for "Original Engine" just like in D1 Street Legal.

[articdragon192]

V8s don't belong in imports that didn't come factory with them.

Now with that argument (V8s vs. NOS), NOS becomes a completely irrelevant topic because most argue about the motor itself, not the method for acquiring more power. A V8 with NOS is still a V8 to me, and an I6 with NOS is still an I6.

As for Formula Drift, I would much rather see a separation of classes. An "Unlimited Class" open to V8s and all those who desire to compete against them, and a class for "Original Engine" just like in D1 Street Legal.

But the V8 is a means to power. But I do agree with your different classes idea. A FD Street Legal status. Question is, would JDM motors be allowed?

[Teddy]

I would think, if the motor ever came in the chassis in any country, it would pass.

[Tomkun-s13]

There is nothing wrong with V8's in any import of our generation. They are our HotRod as our parents and grand parents had their HotRod's. You didn't have a V8 in a 27' ford Track-t, so our parents swapped it back in the day with the flathead V8 of its time, to be faster on the track and on the street.

With that being said. I do agree with having different classes for different builds and setups. make it fair for anyone on a budget and maybe even have a limit for the tires and HP for all cars in Competition.

I do think also that a V8 is better then NOS since it's cheaper to run in the long run and well just add a turbo or a supercharger and call it a day.

[slideslidegnarslide]

dude look at any other form of motor sports. It all takes factory backing or major corporate sponsors. Every ones been pushing the development of drifting but there will be negative affects like this. slowly there will be less and less privateers. It will turn in nascar where you will have to have a 100k dollar cage body frame built by engineers. But the leak down of technology will be great for all of us. let em go get huge hp numbers. The normal person will never be able to compete on this level. It already takes to much money to compete at a professional level with out sponsors. Look at the privateers in fd. sponsored by faulken. Just drift and have fun.



ohh and if they make different classes, what about the rb and vq cars that wont fit in with stock class but cant make the power of the unlimited class?

[ILoveMyRHS13]

As for Formula Drift, I would much rather see a separation of classes. An "Unlimited Class" open to V8s and all those who desire to compete against them, and a class for "Original Engine" just like in D1 Street Legal.
This makes a lot of sense.

I think V8s are neat and all, but they absolutely killed drifting as a competitive sport.

[deolio]

i don't think nos or v8 matters. it should just depend on hp. and they need to quit allowing rwd converted cars. stupid tc's and elements...

[nismo 240sx]

v8 over spray anyday..your in constant power with a v8 vs. spray. ya you get like fast hp in a sec but once your out your still in the same boat. so imo v8 hands down!

[moneybags]

This makes a lot of sense.

I think V8s are neat and all, but they absolutely killed drifting as a competitive sport.

How exactly did V8's kill drifting?

[hailandkill]

How exactly did V8's kill drifting?

all the cars sound the same, perform the same, are modded the same, and look the same.

fd will be the nascar of drifting

[unlegendary]

the classes will have to be very specific according to suspension mods, engine, horsepower, and whatnot.

it would be interesting to watch if they had a formula d1 street legal sort of thing, also it's more fun seeing privateers growing in skill.

[ZilviaKid]

restrictions do nothing but make things suck shit even more. imagine how retardedly awesome formula one could be with zero restrictions.

why make drifting suck more then it already does?

[azndoc]

This argument comes up a lot and as much as we all would love drifting to be a pure Motorsport where everything is fair, it isn't.

Judging will never be completely fair because it is an opinion of the judge on how well you drove regardless of the standards and boundaries of a judge run.

The horsepower and mods will forever be endless because we all strive for a better car with better parts and faster motor.

If you truly love the sport then drift for fun, be it in a KA, SR, or V8.

Times are changing and if professional drifting is what you want to do then you gotta change with the times.

When you think about it. Drifting as a pro sport is still way cheaper than any other pro Motorsport. Being able to make it into the pro circuit regardless of the expenses is still way cheaper than any other sport.

A $40k yearly budget won't get you into NASCAR, but it will into Formula D.

[unlegendary]

restrictions do nothing but make things suck shit even more. imagine how retardedly awesome formula one could be with zero restrictions.

why make drifting suck more then it already does?


zero restrictions would probably go in the unlimited class, if they made classes that is

edit: nevermind i see ur sarcasm lol

[Teddy]

fd will be the nascar of drifting

It already IS. Anybody at Irwindale yesterday for the finals would have noticed that.

[ayuaddict]

You can enjoy drifting without caring about what happens on a professional level. So shall we?

[articdragon192]

You can enjoy drifting without caring about what happens on a professional level. So shall we?

Much agreed. Who cares about the bandwagon or redneck fans. Who cares about who runs what at the pro level. Who cares who raised their car for the sake of competitiveness. Drifting can still be enjoyed on a personal level IMO.

With that said, not all V8s sounds the same. That's like saying all 4 bangers and inline 6s sound the same. The sound of a VK, a Ford V8, and an LS are all different.

[BustedS13]

i believe that mixed make cars are lesser beings

unchristian

[Teddy]

Drifting can still be enjoyed on a personal level

Soul drifting!

[articdragon192]

i believe that mixed make cars are lesser beings

unchristian

Gimmie a one way ticket to hell please.

[TheWolf]

V8's killed drifting as a sport? 40k to run a drift car all year? Are you people serious?

Drifting is about using the HP of the motor to overcome the traction of the tires in a controlled slide. V8's are a cost cutting measure not a cheater measure. All this 600+HP 2-3L turbo motors are not very dependable over the season and require complex messes of supporting systems such as intercoolers, pipeing etc. All of this adds to the complexity of the car and in the event of a crash provides fodder for the wall. A LSx with a blower does all that in it's sleep with a powerband 3x as wide.

40k minimum to run a car?? 7 events all over the country. I think you would be hard pressed to have some paid crew or atleast just paying for their hotel/food plus the gas of car hauler/trailer plus tires plus all the shit you will tear up over the season (transmissions, motors, rear ends, Axels, hubs) all assuming you don't hit the wall and break anything. 40k is highly optimistic.

If drifting wants to take off and still become this grassroots sport instead of this heavily sponsored sport, they should quit adapting street cars to race car duties. Do something like run an asphalt modified roundie round chassis with a 502 crate motor. 2200lbs with 450hp. They've got about as much bearing on the real deal as a RWD scion TC running a LS1

[SleepR 240sx]

I know a lot of people are purists and I like seeing an original motor in the chassis that has been built to achieve power however I also like seing the crazy swaps that are being done now a days. i think it is exciting to see what people think up of and are capable of doing now. I don't think v8's have killed drifting at all...to me they have made it more exciting...you just have to accept that FD is all about performance built race cars and thats the spirit. Its not about old time drifting and it never will be

[Touge Noob S13]

Drifting was better before fat white Americans decided to drift with 800hp Corvettes instead of 200hp AE86's.
I like this statement.

[Flicktitty]

However, these horsepower wars do lead to leaving only those with deeps pockets being able to support these high HP builds.


IMO, that's the "PROFESSIONAL SPORT" part coming out.

major sponser's, factory backed drift cars, major automotive and brand name sponsor's is what KILLED drifting in D1/Formula D for most any small budget good drifter.

NOT NITROUS, NOT the LS1, Not Nascar engines, Not the 2JZ, it's cause it is such a LARGE "sport" now.

fuck look back when drifting first started getting big.

Ken Gushi,vaughn gitten jr,Dai Yoshihara, Bubba drift in his EL CAMINO.
that's when that was fun to watch,

now your watching the same shit every event, how can anyone compete in a older s13 or a FC RX7 or even a 350Z with some decent mods, with VIPERS, CORVETTES, LS2 Swapped Saturns, Nascar Shit poweres SCIONS, Etc. too much damn money.

[BURSTspeed]

fd needs to be horsepower capped. Boring as hell to watch, everything about it screams SNIP hillbilly american style to me..It just makes me so angry. If it's a "sport" it should be about the driving not the v8 mega power! in every car. Although I do like the 1 car with the nissan titan motor in it thats supercharged since its at least way different than an ls motor. :end rant:

[HyperTek]

Theres other motorsports out there with real strict rules.

Im just not a fan of pro drifting anymore.. I like watching the homegrown drivers, not the guys who get fully built factory rides handed to them.

[tommytwo40hands]

after all that i have read, im going to have to say neither V8 or spray is really cheating..any form of racing, from day one, was a run what bring (and don't bitch when you get beat).. anyone that keeps up with drifting knows what they need to do to get to pro level, or just compete in general.. most people that start drifting know that they are either just doing it for fun cuz they just like the feeling of being on the edge of "pass or fail" so to speak, or they're going to try and get into Formula D and make a living pushing on peoples bumpers..

I don't think V8's have killed drifting as a sport, it just makes it faster, louder, and it expands the world of drifting to the extreme..sure it might be overkill compared to an SR/RB swap, but if a little rotary motor can keep up with and beat an LS1 swapped, kouki s14, and manage to pass him i'd say it really all depends on a combination of 3 things, not just V8 or nitrous. . . car, motor/mods, and most importantly DRIVER!

Having said that, the OP had a really good idea when he suggested running different classes in Formula D. I believe, and this is just my opinion, that if there were different classes it would help the sport to grow. Maybe a class for 4 and 6 cylinder rides with a cap off at 450 or 500HP, and then an open, skys the limit, class of 500+hp (V8, V6, nitrous, twin turbo, whatever ..) they could even start a NA class so we can see "true" drifting and wicked engines... well that's just my view on the ever changing sport of drifting, and who knows maybe this thread will somehow make its way to someone in Formula D and we'll see a new and improved sport, but until then drift because it's fun and do whatever it takes to make it happen! :2c: :wavey:

[fckillerbee]

after all that i have read, im going to have to say neither V8 or spray is really cheating..any form of racing, from day one, was a run what bring (and don't bitch when you get beat).. anyone that keeps up with drifting knows what they need to do to get to pro level, or just compete in general.. most people that start drifting know that they are either just doing it for fun cuz they just like the feeling of being on the edge of "pass or fail" so to speak, or they're going to try and get into Formula D and make a living pushing on peoples bumpers..

I don't think V8's have killed drifting as a sport, it just makes it faster, louder, and it expands the world of drifting to the extreme..sure it might be overkill compared to an SR/RB swap, but if a little rotary motor can keep up with and beat an LS1 swapped, kouki s14, and manage to pass him i'd say it really all depends on a combination of 3 things, not just V8 or nitrous. . . car, motor/mods, and most importantly DRIVER!

Having said that, the OP had a really good idea when he suggested running different classes in Formula D. I believe, and this is just my opinion, that if there were different classes it would help the sport to grow. Maybe a class for 4 and 6 cylinder rides with a cap off at 450 or 500HP, and then an open, skys the limit, class of 500+hp (V8, V6, nitrous, twin turbo, whatever ..) they could even start a NA class so we can see "true" drifting and wicked engines... well that's just my view on the ever changing sport of drifting, and who knows maybe this thread will somehow make its way to someone in Formula D and we'll see a new and improved sport, but until then drift because it's fun and do whatever it takes to make it happen! :2c: :wavey:


sorry to tell you, but in formula d....it's about the car....the driver is after the car. When you see a scion tc walk on a corvette, it makes you realize its all about the car. Every advantage, every handicap. This battle is about what is fair.

In all honesty, I could care less what motor is put into a car, however, a tire restriction/power restriction makes the game more interesting, and transfers that "about the car" to "about the driver". Because if it was about the driver, lets be honest....foust would win every race, and vaugn gitten would be in second, with pawlak in 3rd, right next to forseberg.

I think the motor should be limited to the chassis....if you want a v8, get the one that the manufacturer made, and make it work. Cause if we didn't want to be fair, why do we have any rules at all?

[articdragon192]

There's a difference between cheating and having an advantage. At the start, the wheelie bar in drag racing was considered cheating. But guess what? To keep in the races, everyone copied Bergenholt's idea of the wheelie bar in a FWD. Should angle kits be banned since they give certain drivers an advantage in angle?
Man, I'd hate to be the one making the rule book, lol

[Weedm]

Im just not a fan of pro drifting anymore.. I like watching the homegrown drivers, not the guys who get fully built factory rides handed to them.

This statement I agree with.

[articdragon192]

I'm sure most of these drivers earn the privilege to drive these built vehicles.

[BustedS13]

i liked drifting better when it was all cressidas and hachi rokus.
fun fact, did you know that japanese drifting spectators used to throw sand on the street? the origin story is quite interesting. also fat white American fascists ruined everything.
keep your pushrods off my daughter, fat white Americans.

anyway i'm gonna go wear skinny jeans, take pics of myself 4 my profile, try to pick out some kute outfits for tomorrow that will match my underpowered 20 year old beat up fuckpile car, watch jersey shore ironically, and listen to whatever Pitchfork says
fuck v8's they make me mad for some reason

[raz0rbladez909]

With that being said. I do agree with having different classes for different builds and setups. make it fair for anyone on a budget and maybe even have a limit for the tires and HP for all cars in Competition.

The thing is they have the pro/am competition and the pro competition, pro's should not be expected to compete at a grassroots level, because that limits the progression of the sport. not to mention some of the cars that the guys with less money run just look like straight ass. how exciting would it be to watch a bunch of broke down looking drift missiles all day, just because it's what everyone can afford.

i liked drifting better when it was all cressidas and hachi rokus.
fun fact, did you know that japanese drifting spectators used to throw sand on the street? the origin story is quite interesting. also fat white American fascists ruined everything.
keep your pushrods off my daughter, fat white Americans.

anyway i'm gonna go wear skinny jeans, take pics of myself 4 my profile, try to pick out some kute outfits for tomorrow that will match my underpowered 20 year old beat up fuckpile car, watch jersey shore ironically, and listen to whatever Pitchfork says
fuck v8's they make me mad for some reason

Sarcasm at its best:bowrofl:

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

so what does this mean everybody? Instead of dropping $2k and dropping in a sr just save a little more and drop in a ls1. simple. problem solved.

[simmode1]

so what does this mean everybody? Instead of dropping $2k and dropping in a sr just save a little more and drop in a ls1. simple. problem solved.

No, thats not what this debate means. The debate means, IMO, the the import crowd finally matured and realized that to be successfull in motorsport, you will need a broad/useable powerband and a reliable motor. V8's accomplish that more effeciently than the I4's that the import scene was always characterized by in its youth.

But not everyone is looking to excel at motorsports. Many ppl just want to have fun with the motor that they've grown sentimentally attached to. Personally, I dislike the idea of modding a vehicle so much that it's a far cry from what it started out as, like the RWD V8 TC's... But that is what inevitably happens as you reach the upper echelons of motorsport. You can call it Nascar-like if you want to, but Super GT does it too. Thats just the way it is.

I think you should just have a goal in mind and build to that target. If you wanna stay grassroots, there's no need to try to emulate the pros. If you're a pro, then you already know what you need to do to stay competitive. If you wanna be a pro, pay your dues and increase the scope of your car's build as your skill increases...

Just the opinion of someone on the outside looking in...

[tommytwo40hands]

[QUOTE=fckillerbee;3679516]sorry to tell you, but in formula d....it's about the car....the driver is after the car. When you see a scion tc walk on a corvette, it makes you realize its all about the car. Every advantage, every handicap. This battle is about what is fair.

In all honesty, I could care less what motor is put into a car, however, a tire restriction/power restriction makes the game more interesting, and transfers that "about the car" to "about the driver". Because if it was about the driver, lets be honest....foust would win every race, and vaugn gitten would be in second, with pawlak in 3rd, right next to forseberg.
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FUCK TANNER FOUST AND FUCK TC'S!!!! :keke:

no love for yoshihara. . .you probably enjoy nascar and chewing tobacco too.

[DreamN]

V8 is drift.


:keke:

[EhrikETFG]

i liked drifting better when it was all cressidas and hachi rokus.
fun fact, did you know that japanese drifting spectators used to throw sand on the street? the origin story is quite interesting. also fat white American fascists ruined everything.
keep your pushrods off my daughter, fat white Americans.

anyway i'm gonna go wear skinny jeans, take pics of myself 4 my profile, try to pick out some kute outfits for tomorrow that will match my underpowered 20 year old beat up fuckpile car, watch jersey shore ironically, and listen to whatever Pitchfork says
fuck v8's they make me mad for some reason
pitchfork ruined drifting

[yokotas13]

v8 is sitting in my garage ready to go

know why? easiest way to make the tq i want reliably in a miata.
All you haters suck my balls

But really. professional drifting is a joke. and so are most japanese motors. Only thing america does right is make power out of a v8...might as well use it

[Matej]

As for Formula Drift, I would much rather see a separation of classes. An "Unlimited Class" open to V8s and all those who desire to compete against them, and a class for "Original Engine" just like in D1 Street Legal.
That would be cool, as long as they add a 'Show Class' that is all about car looks and style.

To be honest, I find track/competition drifting terribly boring and unbearable to watch.
Also, I dislike all engines. Life would be so much better if cars did not need engines.

[fckillerbee]

[QUOTE=fckillerbee;3679516]sorry to tell you, but in formula d....it's about the car....the driver is after the car. When you see a scion tc walk on a corvette, it makes you realize its all about the car. Every advantage, every handicap. This battle is about what is fair.

In all honesty, I could care less what motor is put into a car, however, a tire restriction/power restriction makes the game more interesting, and transfers that "about the car" to "about the driver". Because if it was about the driver, lets be honest....foust would win every race, and vaugn gitten would be in second, with pawlak in 3rd, right next to forseberg.
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FUCK TANNER FOUST AND FUCK TC'S!!!! :keke:

no love for yoshihara. . .you probably enjoy nascar and chewing tobacco too.

no, i don't look at dai and say....he's the best..if anything...he's a great driver..not my top three. other drivers look more interesting behind the wheel.

with that said, foust is a great driver, his car is rediculously built, and that is unfair to anyone competing...but legal.

and I enjoy watching the incar of nascar....I chewed tobacco once in highschool...didn't even throw up. Nascar still reminds me of thos remote control cars that sit on a track, and you can only control throttle. As many as I had, they always got boring in the first 20 mins. So no, i don't enjoy nascar like every other american.

[trsilvias13]

To those who suggest having limited horsepower for each "class". Good luck on that one. You do realize it will cost even more to play/compete right? How else will someone verify HP? Have a dyno at every event? You think that will be cheap?

A better sound suggestion would be # of cyclinder and power adders. ie 4cyc NA and 4 cyc FI/No2 class, 6 cyc na and 6 cyc FI/No2 class, etc... like drag racing.

And yes.. good luck to that person who will make the rule book.

Just wondering to those who wants a HP limit, do you guys have a stock motor or less than 250hp?

[simmode1]

. So no, i don't enjoy nascar like every other american.
What? F1, homie.

[Matej]

i liked drifting better when it was all cressidas and hachi rokus.
Actually... I did like drifting better then. :hide:

[BustedS13]

pitchfork ruined drifting

congrats, you made it!

Actually... I did like drifting better then. :hide:

yeah me too, back before either of us we old enough to remember things, that was sweet. throwing sand out of my stroller on hoshinos.

[fckillerbee]

What? F1, homie.

not the biggest f1 fan either. more of a gt fan. I like actual cars...not go karts with fiberglass laid on top. Not saying the drivers aren't amazing, but the car doesn't do it for me. I'm sure if I saw it in person it would be a different story.

[codyace]

Who cares if it's got a LSx or a 4AGE, all of the points are awarded by judges without any 'true standard' between opinions. It's like dancing with the stars, but with cars.

Until they can qunaitify some sort of actual scoring, and not make it based on style, then I'll agree with the 'maybe we should put cars into classes based on XXX or YYY' (much like any other form of motorsport out there)...but until then, I'd love to see them swap v8's into every thing out there...whats stopping you when it's about PURE performance?


To me, that's what has killed drifting the most...it's not about 'sport' it's about style of late...and with that said, most people wanna see big HP, big tire smoke, and radical machines...

EDIT: Nitrous is damn fun and everyone should play with it. I can't wait to spray my Hardbody pickup at dyno day! Laughy gas makes anything more fun!

[raz0rbladez909]

To me, that's what has killed drifting the most...it's not about 'sport' it's about style of late...and with that said, most people wanna see big HP, big tire smoke, and radical machines..

Honestly that is what its all about, because I'd say a good percentage of the people going to these events don't care what engines are in the cars as long as it makes noise, smoke and can get close to a wall/other car. Drifting to me has gotten boring anyways, I'm just not easily entertained like I was when i was younger. I can only watch it for so long before I'm bored, so anything they can do to try to spice it up then why the hell not, also since we are in America it would make sense to use engines that are more readily available, not to mention make power pretty damn easily. You can say its a cheat card or whatever but in reality i'd much rather pick up an ls1 vs trying to get an sr,rb,4age,13b,20b whatever to reliably get to an ls1's stock hp without paying rediculous prices for parts or the engines themselves.

[tricky_ab]

No, thats not what this debate means. The debate means, IMO, the the import crowd finally matured and realized that to be successfull in motorsport, you will need a broad/useable powerband and a reliable motor. V8's accomplish that more effeciently than the I4's that the import scene was always characterized by in its youth.

But not everyone is looking to excel at motorsports. Many ppl just want to have fun with the motor that they've grown sentimentally attached to. Personally, I dislike the idea of modding a vehicle so much that it's a far cry from what it started out as, like the RWD V8 TC's... But that is what inevitably happens as you reach the upper echelons of motorsport. You can call it Nascar-like if you want to, but Super GT does it too. Thats just the way it is.

I think you should just have a goal in mind and build to that target. If you wanna stay grassroots, there's no need to try to emulate the pros. If you're a pro, then you already know what you need to do to stay competitive. If you wanna be a pro, pay your dues and increase the scope of your car's build as your skill increases...

Just the opinion of someone on the outside looking in...

Well stated! I totally agree with you...As for professional drifting I haven't really been following it as it's not as entertaining to watch anymore. I don't even really follow D1 videos anymore. I do try to watch Drift Tengoku and D1SL DVD's though. I find the vibe to be more up my alley.

[simmode1]

^^^Yeah, I just think alot of ppl wanna run before they can walk. Everybody wants a fast, powerful car. But do you really need that to have fun and enjoy your ride? No. Use of V8's and Nitrous evolved out of the need to compete successfully. If you're not focused on competition, maybe scaling back your grand plans might be a good idea. Its about learning to be content and striving for balance

I got really disenchanted with drifting because I felt so disconnected with what the pro's do on the track and what they drive. Thank god the grassroots movement rose up and brought things back to to Earth. It reminds me that drifting fun is still attainable by us mere mortals. You don't need big power to get sideways. And personally, as someone without a tire sponsorship, I'd actually not like the put out smoke like the pros do. I'd prefer as little tire smoke as possible while going sideways, really.

not the biggest f1 fan either. more of a gt fan. I like actual cars...not go karts with fiberglass laid on top. Not saying the drivers aren't amazing, but the car doesn't do it for me. I'm sure if I saw it in person it would be a different story.
I hear ya there. I'm into F1 primarily because of the skill level that it requires. Secondly, the personalities of the drivers with their European sensibilities and their well-mannered, behind the scenes drama is what makes me love F1... The cars are amazing, but I'm not that into them as much because I can't wrap my brain around most of that engineering. I love GT cars too, though.

[illvialuver]

i don't think nos or v8 matters. it should just depend on hp. and they need to quit allowing rwd converted cars. stupid tc's and elements...


EXACTLY!!!! All it is , is marketing though. Toyota is too lame to make a performance car so they put a Nascar v8 in fwd crap box, just so they can help push sales of a car that is lame to younger people by making them think they actually have a hope of doing the same thing with their tc.

Its just so a big corporate company can compete in a race division they dont have any right being in, just like that Honda hsc nsx replacement in the super gt series. Even though it is not homoligated.

I do kinda miss the old days of professional drifting, when they most powerful car their was Nomuken R34 with almost 500hp in the heaviest car. Now the lightest car has 500hp.


Ill keep watching but I think the way things are done is getting more and more unfair.
Reminds me of baseketball.

[illvialuver]

There's a difference between cheating and having an advantage. At the start, the wheelie bar in drag racing was considered cheating. But guess what? To keep in the races, everyone copied Bergenholt's idea of the wheelie bar in a FWD. Should angle kits be banned since they give certain drivers an advantage in angle?
Man, I'd hate to be the one making the rule book, lol


Quoted for truth. Exactly what I thought. Think about how many things you could nit pic about. Makes my brain hurt.

[Bubbles]

keep your pushrods off my daughter,


Golden.





anyway i'm gonna go wear skinny jeans, take pics of myself 4 my profile, try to pick out some kute outfits for tomorrow that will match my underpowered 20 year old beat up fuckpile car, watch jersey shore



Woah, let's not cut too deep.

[Aroddalobster]

EXACTLY!!!! All it is , is marketing though. Toyota is too lame to make a performance car so they put a Nascar v8 in fwd crap box, just so they can help push sales of a car that is lame to younger people by making them think they actually have a hope of doing the same thing with their tc.

Its just so a big corporate company can compete in a race division they dont have any right being in, just like that Honda hsc nsx replacement in the super gt series. Even though it is not homoligated.
My friend was telling me that he walked into Longo Scion and saw that they were advertising Scions via posters/videos of Foust, like they were saying "any tC can become this". i got a big kick outta that, buuuttt for the majority of the country that says "sure, why not", I'm sure it works to a certain extent. unfortunately.

[!Zar!]

V8 on spray.

Heads will explode.

[illvialuver]

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzz turbo v8 on nos.

But really how much of this power is actually usable? I know Forsebergs car is capable of more power, like hundreds more, but they run it with less? Why? Is it because more power is not always the answer in drifting? I think that it will all balance out.

[fckillerbee]

bzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzzzzzzzzz zzzzzz turbo v8 on nos.

But really how much of this power is actually usable? I know Forsebergs car is capable of more power, like hundreds more, but they run it with less? Why? Is it because more power is not always the answer in drifting? I think that it will all balance out.

forseberg likes having a 400hp z. it gives him a advantage. Judges "judge" based upon all criteria's.

reliability, costs of more parts, tires, total package just gets more expensive/ most drivers don't have full paid rides.