GroundPerformance - S14 KA-T /w T25 turbo 208whp @6psi

[GroundPerformance]

Just wanted to share this S14 KA-T project put together for a fellow Zilvian "Koukidrifter240 (http://zilvia.net/f/members/koukidrifter240.html)". The setup uses the turbo system from an S13 SR20DET. Car made an excellent power of 208whp @ 6.25psi only. It would have been nice if the stock actuator was able to hold 10psi all way. HKS actuator will be installed soon to replace the stock actuator. All tuning done by Chris @ DC Performance. To Zilvian KA-T owners running similar turbo setup. How much HP have you been able to put down. Keyword KA24DE, T25, SMIC and stock Maf. Thanks and enjoy the pics!!

Some basic info on the setup;
- OE Rebuilt KA24DE
- SR 370cc Injectors
- SR Side Mount Intercooler Setup
- SR T25 Turbocharger
- Stock S14 MAF
- ISIS V2 KA24DE Turbo Manifold
- Megan Racing Turbo Manifold
- Nistune Modded 95 240sx ECU
- XTD Stage 3 Clutch
- Autometer Boost Gauge

Below are some pics of the project.

Before...

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs208.ash2/47170_1612229831670_1413997181_31633867_6670598_n. jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs203.ash2/46645_1612229951673_1413997181_31633868_3467930_n. jpg

Now some KA24DE-T Prep work..

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs643.snc4/60335_1623854122270_1413997181_31660982_4515574_n. jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs676.snc4/61639_1623854322275_1413997181_31660984_4408220_n. jpg

Oil System setup and EGR blocked off...

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs704.snc4/62451_1625316758835_1413997181_31663665_5858659_n. jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs320.ash2/60019_1625317038842_1413997181_31663666_1511174_n. jpg

Nistune ECU...

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs342.ash2/62272_1623853882264_1413997181_31660980_5308651_n. jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs688.snc4/62816_1623854042268_1413997181_31660981_7879217_n. jpg

SMIC Setup...

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs703.snc4/62334_1632315573801_1413997181_31678148_989676_n.j pg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs347.ash2/62748_1632315453798_1413997181_31678147_8079768_n. jpg

Setup Completed...

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs653.snc4/61376_1632315733805_1413997181_31678150_4426011_n. jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs333.ash2/61376_1632315773806_1413997181_31678151_5088418_n. jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs679.snc4/61888_1632315933810_1413997181_31678152_7810709_n. jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs642.snc4/60247_1635395730803_1413997181_31683610_8162624_n. jpg

Some Dyno pics and Dyno Sheet...

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs262.snc4/39433_1638611051184_1413997181_31690442_2292904_n. jpg

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs219.snc4/39289_1638611211188_1413997181_31690443_961416_n.j pg

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[AnotherZenkiKid]

not baddd i may use this to build a low baller ka-t haha.

[akina_speedstar]

That's awesome great way to make power with stock parts.

[frsh4]

Saw this car at the Boba meet this past Wed. Very clean work.

[s13boy89]

jonathans work is always legit

[s13 @ fullboost]

came out nice

[dkwasherexd]

Where did you get your high pressure oil from? Was it direct bolt on for the line? or did you have to tap it? Same question for the oil return. Im doing a similiar setup on my gfs s14

[driftn_silvia]

jonathans work is always legit


yea, i love the thread builds this guy makes...especially the KAE-T V.2 thread.

[unreal-]

very nice! inspires me to find a budget way to turbo my car :)

by the way, how is the fitment/quality of the ISIS manifold?

[orion::S14]

That turbo is too small... :D


To Zilvian KA-T owners running similar turbo setup. How much HP have you been able to put down.


224rwhp at 5.8psi...non-intercooled, T3/T04E 57-trim.

I know, not a "similar turbo setup"...but it illustrates my point: That turbo is too small.

http://www.ka24development.com/file_images/S14_dyno_2-22-03_.4bar.jpg

...

I'm just busting your balls here...nice work, very clean.

But tell the owner to try a straight T3...similar spool, massive TQ, much better top end.

:eek3d: - Brian

[VIPDRFT]

Do you have pics of how you routed the coolant lines for the turbo? Thanks.

[94cc0rd]

How much did this setup cost?

Makes me want to turbo my KA. I have 192k on my KA and it's still running strong, but a rebuild is probably still recommended right?

Also, how reliable is this? Can I drive it to a track event, drift the crap out of it, drive back home, without worrying?

[VIPDRFT]

Whatever issues you might have with the KA already (high idle, vacuum leaks, oil leaks, valve tick, ignition or fuel issues, over heating etc...) will only get worse once turbo. If you don't have any issues I say go for it.

As far as reliability, that's very low boost and the KA should be able to handle it easily with a good tune.

[GroundPerformance]

Where did you get your high pressure oil from? Was it direct bolt on for the line? or did you have to tap it? Same question for the oil return. Im doing a similiar setup on my gfs s14

Plenty on eBay and you will need a T fitting from the oil sender. You will need to place a bung on the oil pan and have a fitting for the return hose. Please make sure you verify your bung placement so that it will clear AC, Oil pan bolt and you want this as high as possible.

yea, i love the thread builds this guy makes...especially the KAE-T V.2 thread.
Thanks!

very nice! inspires me to find a budget way to turbo my car :)

by the way, how is the fitment/quality of the ISIS manifold?
ISIS by far is the best I of other ebay manifolds you can buy. Fitment was really good.

That turbo is too small... :D



224rwhp at 5.8psi...non-intercooled, T3/T04E 57-trim.

I know, not a "similar turbo setup"...but it illustrates my point: That turbo is too small.

http://www.ka24development.com/file_images/S14_dyno_2-22-03_.4bar.jpg

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I'm just busting your balls here...nice work, very clean.

But tell the owner to try a straight T3...similar spool, massive TQ, much better top end.

:eek3d: - Brian

The idea is to look stock as possible for this setup. Sure the T3/T4 50 trim is the best all around street spec for KA24 but considering stealth and cost bottom mount T2 setup is the best option to have just a little bit of HP especially if in the state of CALIFORNIA. I've have a Garrett 60-1 turbo for my personal setup and that for me was small I'm rocking a Holset H1E now which is a similar to the spec of a Garrett GT40

Do you have pics of how you routed the coolant lines for the turbo? Thanks.

I don't run coolant lines on the T25 since its a Journal bearing anyways.

[Nick_04K]

Exactly the setup i want to run for my daily. But im just not sure about buying the sr smic setup....Is it easy to adapt for the KA? Does it fit well inside the bumper without any cosmetically noticeable cutting? And here comes the idiot noob question,where is your bov? On the cooler itself down there? Looks great though, excellent job!

Edit: Why does the graph show peak Tq at just above 220 but only reads a max of 200.47 on the side print out part?
And what kind of dyno was this? DD im guessing, maybe mustang?

[VIPDRFT]

I don't run coolant lines on the T25 since its a Journal bearing anyways.

Cool! I thought you had to run coolant lines with a bottom mount SR T25 setup. Did you have to plug coolant inlet/outlet on the turbo?

[GroundPerformance]

Exactly the setup i want to run for my daily. But im just not sure about buying the sr smic setup....Is it easy to adapt for the KA? Does it fit well inside the bumper without any cosmetically noticeable cutting? And here comes the idiot noob question,where is your bov? On the cooler itself down there? Looks great though, excellent job!

Edit: Why does the graph show peak Tq at just above 220 but only reads a max of 200.47 on the side print out part?
And what kind of dyno was this? DD im guessing, maybe mustang?

It will need some cutting and some playing with the mounts but it can be made to look like it belongs there. BOV is the back of the IC core which is the stock SR location. Peak TQ was @ 4250 rpm and TQ numbers on the side shows TQ at the time of peak HP. This was on the a DynaPack Dyno


Cool! I thought you had to run coolant lines with a bottom mount SR T25 setup. Did you have to plug coolant inlet/outlet on the turbo?
It's preffered that you run coolant lines if the turbo has has the ports for it. If you have a BB turbo then thats a must. Journal bearing is not as much for me as long a you give the turbo proper cool down time after hard driving. No plugs on the turbo it was left open.

[igreek]

I'm looking to run a similar setup on my KA. I'm guessing that this is the manifold you used, right?

*ISIS V2 Tubular Exhaust Turbo Manifold - Nissan 240sx KA24DE [ IS-SSH-NKAT2-V2 ] - Enjuku Racing - Performance Parts and High Quality Fabrication (http://www.enjukuracing.com/isis-tubular-exhaust-turbo-manifold-nissan-240sx-ka24de-p-9858.html)

[Nick_04K]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/JDM-89-93-Nissan-240SX-S13-SR20DET-Factory-Intercooler-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem5addb9d8ecQQitemZ39026 7001068QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries

Does this look all there? I think im going to go ahead and order it unless advised otherwise? Just kind of want some reassurance.
And did you do a fuel pump upgrade or can the stock pump handle this power? Up to say...10psi?

[hellion240sx]

in 4 info. looking to do something like this to add a little power to my kouki :)

[Vatche]

ive seen groundperformance's work. it is superb.

awesome car man.

[HPKMotorsports3]

wow thats incredible... great low budget build...

[rob22]

wow thats incredible... great low budget build...

i talked to the owner of this car
i dont remember exactly what he paid but it was like 2500-3000
for such a simple set up.
not really low budget by any means.

[speedracer5]

^^^^^ could of just gone with the sr but build is tight for a dual probs not bashing on it just price

[rob22]

^^^^^ could of just gone with the sr but build is tight for a dual probs not bashing on it just price


yeah for that price you couldve had something a little better.

[PITCH]

Sounds about right. Parts, labor, rebuild & tune.. $2-3K is about average w/ having a shop do it.

[andyv316]

nice work, i just took the t25 setup i had off to upgrade. but the power diffidently didnt feel like 200+ hp, and i was pushing 14 lbs boost. but i never went to the dyno, so cant prove it. I only had like 2000 into my kit, and thats running a front mount. I just sold it for less than a 1000. you guys just missed out on it.

[GroundPerformance]

yeah for that price you couldve had something a little better.

You have no idea how much time and detail I put to get all my turbo setups together. There are several aftermarket parts, tuning/dyno services added to the basic setup and other parts needs to be considered being its an S14 Kouki to amount the cost which is just 2650. I have actually stop accepting projects for others at the moment as family and my main work doesn't really add up to be worth spending my extra time. I'll be glad to send you the full scope of work and parts list on this build with some referrals if you feel like you can do the same if not better. PM your contact info if your interested!

[MANOlOS14]

sick build man. i want to do something like that too jst how theres a stock sr20det there could be a "stock" ka-t haha!

[GroundPerformance]

MANOlOS14[/I];3784785]sick build man. i want to do something like that too jst how theres a stock sr20det there could be a "stock" ka-t haha!

This is actually my next build for my coupe.. I will be using the same specs but with a custom KA turbo manifold using the SR stock manifold with KA flanges and SR heatshield. I will also have the SR airbox to make everything totally a sleeper setup. This will be coming up soon while the longlbock is being prep for boost.

[CantSTOP]

Such an awesome build.

This is actually my next build for my coupe.. I will be using the same specs but with a custom KA turbo manifold using the SR stock manifold with KA flanges and SR heatshield. I will also have the SR airbox to make everything totally a sleeper setup. This will be coming up soon while the longlbock is being prep for boost.

This is what I wanted to do, but someone told me I'd be wasting my time cutting the KA flange and putting it on the SR manifold.

I'll be waiting to see it! :bigok:

[matts13vert]

Such an awesome build.



This is what I wanted to do, but someone told me I'd be wasting my time cutting the KA flange and putting it on the SR manifold.

I'll be waiting to see it! :bigok:

totally worth it! here's my set up

http://media9.dropshots.com/photos/786137/19810605/b_190251.jpg

[redpotatoes]

Nice and clean setup but the numbers seems high to me, either your dynapack reads high or mine reads low...

Previous setup:
GT2560R
FMIC
N60
10psi
Etc

WHP and boost
http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg78/yopoi/240sx/Boost_WHPGT2560R.jpg

[redline racer510]

do you have a copy of the tune available for people using nistune?

[illxs14]

came out nice! talked to you at the monday night 562 meet. Glad to see its done!

[hellion240sx]

This is actually my next build for my coupe.. I will be using the same specs but with a custom KA turbo manifold using the SR stock manifold with KA flanges and SR heatshield. I will also have the SR airbox to make everything totally a sleeper setup. This will be coming up soon while the longlbock is being prep for boost.

what hp are you looking to hit with this one?

[drb930]

What pipe did you use for the Hot Side along the top of the radiator?

Thanks,
Dave

[chinabean]

I want to do this!

[Om1kron]

I don't want to see this shit, where is your KA24DE Turbo beast at Groundperformance, hurry and finish it =)


j/k great numbers for a ka-t setup. I bet the tq is awesome.

[redhatchy92]

I'm putting together a similar project. t25, megan manifold, frontmount, sr injectors, z32 maf full 3in exhaust, jwt ecu, refreshed 92 motor. question is how much power can i expect from this setup? also how good is the jwt ecu? I'm hoping for 240hp at 10 psi

[GroundPerformance]

I don't want to see this shit, where is your KA24DE Turbo beast at Groundperformance, hurry and finish it =)


j/k great numbers for a ka-t setup. I bet the tq is awesome.

KA-T Beast setup is on hold for a few months since I got 2 projects that I'm finishing this month.

I'm putting together a similar project. t25, megan manifold, frontmount, sr injectors, z32 maf full 3in exhaust, jwt ecu, refreshed 92 motor. question is how much power can i expect from this setup? also how good is the jwt ecu? I'm hoping for 240hp at 10 psi

Expect between 190-220whp depending which dyno you use. Your HP limitation at those numbers are your turbo and injectors.

[feito]

Awesome build, reading it as I drink my sam adams! I'm going the same route on my s14. I'm saving up for an rb swap, hopefully in about a year or so, but since I can't wait for boost I'm throwing a budget setup on my current ka for now. Ran a compression test on my ka a few days ago and it was around 180 across, pretty good for a 130k ka. Setup will consist of sr t25, s13 smic n piping, dsm bov resirculated, egay bottom mount mani, 370cc's, n60 maf, aem uego, stock elbows, egay dp and exhaust, still debating on the tune. U'll be surprice at the deals u can find when u look in the right places and if u do all the work on urself u save on the most expensive area, the labor. Great inspiration here man, thanks. Hopefully I don't blow/damage my engine 'cause my other s14 is already waiting for that ka after I get the rb :D ...does anyone know if there are any usdm air filter boxes out there that fit on the s-chassis and point the maf towards the exhaust? I know its a long shot but screw it!

[towlie]

Sweet build. I love KA-t's that look stock

[!Zar!]

Yeah, for a manifold just get a cast iron china one for a KA.

Looks more stock like.

[initial_jc]

might want to do this, going see how much stuff costs

[nickkaplz]

i have the hks wastegate and i cant get it to bolt up, did you have any problems with it?

[ddf2006]

i actually just finished my small turbo build and only spent about 800 overall on parts including tune, over the coarse of the last year just collecting deals.
my setup now is:
-no name bottom mount manifold
-t25 turbo
-ebay oil feed line plate with bango connection for the turbo (easier to use in my opinion)
-circuit sport 3" downpipe
-s13 sr smic with bov
-370cc injectors
-stock maf
-e-mance tune
-3" megan racing catback with megan test pipe
and honestly, car runs really smooth, no CEL, and pulls really hard. i love it.
heres a pic, not the cleanest but works
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i199/ddf2006/2011-10-12234233.jpg

[Tantwoforty]

i have almost the same build
full OE rebuild
s14 head and block
s13 cams
s14 upper manifold
s13 lower
BC springs/retainers/valves
t25
370s
n60
emanage blue
big fmic
walbro
3 inch all the way down to a gp sports system
the t25 is kind of a placeholder for a s15 turbo
i hope to make numbers like this
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/35456_483245949800_681149800_5440992_3309748_n.jpg
its in the car and runing now, but its messy so no pics lol

[mikerbike]

Damn. these simple setups are popping up a lot lately. So cheap, so good.
Here's mine.
S14 BB T28 ?kouki?
Ebay manifold
PLMS Developements daughterboard
Got the tune from someone on Hybrid KA forums a few years ago
SR370s
Stock MAF
Small intercooler
Ebay BOV
oil feed line was made at the local hose & fitting place.
8PSI
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/205930_10150335696401136_690551135_9910052_1945432 _n.jpg
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/281374_10150328407847223_555067222_9461889_7601421 _n.jpg
This car had an RB with a mid mount a few years ago so i used the holes next to the radiator to make the shortest charge piping possible with a front mount. It's about 20" longer than my mid mount on my SR.

I added it up and figured I would have paid just under $800 for all the stuff I have, but I traded some and got some for way cheaper than i should have.

This pulls hard while my SR (11psi, T25) is spooling up and seems about even at the high end.

[iamtheyi]

Is anyone running these cheap set-ups with a JWT tune? That's what I plan on using in the near future. Subbed to see more cheap + reliable KA-T builds :]

[nickkaplz]

i have the sr20 smic and i was wondering if it is ok to use the port on the hotpipe for the wastegate, and where did you get vacuum for the bov?

[Ramonesfreak2010]

totally worth it! here's my set up

http://media9.dropshots.com/photos/786137/19810605/b_190251.jpg
Call me stupid, but wheres the hot pipe?! I've been staring at the picture for 2 minutes trying to figure it out. lol

[iamtheyi]

Call me stupid, but wheres the hot pipe?! I've been staring at the picture for 2 minutes trying to figure it out. lol

under the intake box of course :]

[ddf2006]

i have the sr20 smic and i was wondering if it is ok to use the port on the hotpipe for the wastegate, and where did you get vacuum for the bov?
Yeag its the same setup, and the bov I ran from my brake booster vacumme line

[whomiked]

What down pipe are are you running? Do you happen to know if a S14 SMIC would work with the T25 setup/elbows?

[Houseof1817]

It would take slightly more modifying to use a S14 one due to the intake runner.
It's is sure as hell possible to make it happen though.

[ManoNegra]

What down pipe are are you running? Do you happen to know if a S14 SMIC would work with the T25 setup/elbows?

choose the smic that matches your chassis code
s14 ones have the hot pipe coming in from the side to match the cut-out already in the car.
s13 ones have both the hot and cold pipes coming from the top that you need to cut.
I looked into swapping the smic elbows to match but that was years ago and can't remember the results
maybe someone else can chime in.

[s14unimog]

^ Don't forget about the throttle body inlet orientation. The great thing about the S13 is that its similar to the KA's; the s14's aims a bit more down so I would assume that the cold pipe might be awkward to connect.

I did this setup back in 05 and loved it. Simple, cheap, efficient and honestly what Nissan should have done; lol. Props on the results.

I saw 209rwhp and 242rwtq @ 7psi

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v721/s14unimog/KA-Tfinallydone004.jpg

[KA240SX808]

Anyone in here using a S15 Core or Baller enough to have a ARC, Blitz or Greddy/Trust SMIC Core?

[Boost_Fiend]

This is pretty cool. But dang I feel like 3k is WAY to much especially with all stock parts. He should've just done the work himself, instead of getting raped in labor costs. Installing a turbo really isn't that difficult imo

[iamtheyi]

This is pretty cool. But dang I feel like 3k is WAY to much especially with all stock parts. He should've just done the work himself, instead of getting raped in labor costs. Installing a turbo really isn't that difficult imo

It was rebuilt also. If you take that into account, with parts, it all falls together. With the tune also.

[chinabean]

I'm tempted to do this now after I get back from cali beginning of july for DD powa! lol

[white92hb]

im looking at both those turbo manifold. which one do you think is better. the megan or isis