HOW TO: 5 Lug Conversion

[twyztidmind]

After searching i couldn't really find any good detailed 5 lug conversions before doing mine. So i decided to make one! This was done on my S14.

I bought brand new hubs off ebay for 310 shipped. I also bought 5 lug rotors that were drilled and slotted for $115 shipped for all four.

Parts Needed:

5 Lug hubs off SE
5 Lug Rotors off SE
5 Lug Wheels to finish off the setup :D


Tools Needed:

Impact Gun (If Available)
Socket Set
Ratchets
Flat Head Screw Driver
Hammer
Axle Grease
Axle Sockets 32mm and 36mm
Wrench Set
WD-40
Case of Beer


Ok this is just a guide, I'm not responsible if you mess up your car! This is a medium difficulty project, if you can do an engine swap, you can do this!

Hubs i bought off Ebay
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/NS-30010_NS-20011.jpg

FRONTS:

STEP 1: Remove dust cap, i used a flat head screw driver and a hammer, and hit it like a paint can going around it little by little. (Before i started I went ahead and painted the caliper with high heat paint ~ Half ass job but turned out ok :rolleyes:)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13858.jpg
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STEP 2: Remove axle nut 32MM if i remember right. I just loosened mine until i pulled the caliper off.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13859.jpg
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STEP 3: Remove Caliper and Rotor.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13860.jpg
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STEP 4: Now the hub should just slide right off.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13861.jpg
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STEP 5: Clean shaft and lube it with axle bearing grease.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13863.jpg
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STEP 6: Now you can slide on the new hub, re-torque the axle nut, and install the new rotor and the brake caliper.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13865.jpg
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Thats it for the fronts, now the rears are a little more complicated...

REARS:

STEP 1: Remove Cotter Pin & Axle Nut 36MM. (If you dont have an Impact you can remove center cap of wheel, put it back on the ground and use a break over bar)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13903.jpg
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STEP 2: Remove brake caliper and rotor

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13904.jpg
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STEP 3: Remove the 4 bolts on the back side of the hub. You can turn the axle to were the indentions are to get access to each bolt.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13906.jpg
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STEP 4: Remove strut bolt, and the rest of the rear suspension shown in the pic.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13907.jpg
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STEP 5: Now you can pull the hub forward and remove the axle from housing. You can use a mallet to hit the axle to loosen it.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13908.jpg
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STEP 6: With the axle out of the way, you have good access to the hub. I used a sledge hammer (BFH) holding the spindle in my hand and pounded the hub out of the spindle. (This WILL ruin it, i didnt care i was throwing it all away)

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13910.jpg
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STEP 7: I used an emery cloth to sand out the spindle hole, mine was rusty.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13911.jpg
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STEP 8: Now put in the new hub, torque down the bolts and reassemble everything in reverse order of which you took it off. You should end up looking like this!

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c6/Twyztidmind/kouki/SDC13912.jpg


Thats it! Now you have a better selection in wheels. I bought some 350z touring wheels for a great price so thats what im rolling on for now. For $425 i had everything i needed to do the swap and brand spankin new!

ENJOY!

[Siberian Husky]

nice CLEAN write up, just the meat n potatoes; i hate when people write DIY's and make them way too long--a way to stroke their ego for writing it up i guess. clean job though.

what bearings did you use? im scared to just use the ebay bearings that come with the hubs. pics of the 350 touring wheels on your s13?

[twyztidmind]

Thanks! I used the bearings that came with it, not going to lie, they did look iffy but we dont track this car or anything so i wanted to see how they would hold up as a DD (will keep you guys updated)

No pics of the wheels just yet, getting new tires on them right now, it's an S14 btw..

[azndoc]

An easier way to get the rear hubs out is to unbolt the 4 bolts halfway and then use a rubber mallet pounding it out. Doesn't damage anything and comes out really easy.

Good job on the write up

[twyztidmind]

An easier way to get the rear hubs out is to unbolt the 4 bolts halfway and then use a rubber mallet pounding it out. Doesn't damage anything and comes out really easy.

Good job on the write up

Thanks for that info! I didnt even think of doing that. Mine were rusted pretty bad, i had to pound on it for literally 10 minutes before it came out.

[Ares240SX]

10 minutes of pounding with most rubber mallets renders them useless... another idea is to use some penetrating oil, and maybe some heat around the outside edges to free up your old hubs so you don't have to worry about damaging something you might be able to sell to make up for the project costs. :D

[240sxvaj]

pix are good lol!

[tqstarburst]

good job man,nice write up,alot of s13 owners are gonna benefit from this

[japordie]

nice thread it's short and simple.

[hOngsterr]

s14 front hubs, arent they held in by a pinch bolt?

if yours just came off then someone messed with your hub before.

but theres another how to somewhere i forgot lol but nice job!

[MitchellBade]

Good work on the write up!

[Tae-Hyun]

Well i guess you didnt search hard enough.

How to: Install 5 lug hubs (only have pics of rear) (http://zilvia.net/f/archive-faqs/142360-how-install-5-lug-hubs-only-have-pics-rear.html)

Even though its just the rears, you get the idea.

Nonetheless, your how too is nice with pics for front and rear.

Nice.

[twyztidmind]

s14 front hubs, arent they held in by a pinch bolt?

if yours just came off then someone messed with your hub before.

but theres another how to somewhere i forgot lol but nice job!

Nope, i didnt have any on either side..

[Flashman]

i didnt unbolt any of the rear arms when i did my 5 lug

[s141996]

im doing it and I dont have a hub puller and Im doin this right now its a bitch!

[kuelee]

Does this also go for s13? And does the front hubs just slide in? No bolts holding the hub?

[s141996]

just got done with mine along with z32 vlsd and z32 front brakes took 2 days and alot of hrs since i didnt have much help, thanks ur write up was my refrence when i couldnt figure something out. /exhausted

[Drift_86]

Awesome thanks! I got the same 5lug off ebay

[XxCAPTAINxX]

im curious to know how the ebay hubs hold up. keep us updated please

[Krusty_s13]

Ebay hubs are fine. I rocked them on my previous fastback for about 6 months as a dd and some drift events. No issues with them. Will do it again with my new s13

[Drift_86]

Awesome thanks! I got the same 5lug off ebay

[aalbert240]

Does this also go for s13? And does the front hubs just slide in? No bolts holding the hub?
plus 1 on this

[s13coupedrfter]

Cant say anything about ebay hubs, never used them.

I have used Ichiba hubs and they are JUNK!!!! I went through 2 front sets of them and each time had a bearing failure within 1 day of daily driving. Yes...they were properly torqued down with a calibrated tq wrench that I use at work. The spindle was in perfict condition. I will never use Ichiba hubs again.

I use OEM s14 hubs without any problems...cant go wrong with factory Nissan stuff. Yes they are more expensive but so is replacing China shit hubs all the time.

Cool write-up, keep up the good work.

[xBtony]

awesome write up super helpful. Imma be doing this soon.

[iHateMySilvia]

plus 1 on this

slides in :bigok:

[Slammed Assassin]

great writeup!!!

[twyztidmind]

For an S13 its about the same if you buy the after market hubs (like the ones i got on ebay). But if you take parts off an S14 SE you will need the whole spindle and LCA for the fronts as well as boring out the strut bolt a little because S14 uses a bigger one iirc.

Hope that helps

[Drift_86]

This hubs from eBay r awesome! I had them on for a month already and had no problem and saving alot of money on gas from new bearing
*Update 4/24/11*
I been driving with this for about a year I hit the curve 3x from the front distorted 2 rims and still running perfect!!!! Highly recommend this!!

[upsdude]

s14 front hubs use a 32mm pinch bolt. if yours weren't pinched then maybe the previous owner had 5 lugs hubs and swapped in the 4 luggers when they sold you the car (who knows). i bought a set of front hubs from ebay, and they barely lasted a year. got a new pair of OE hub from ray at westco nissan for about 45 bucks more.
so just get the OE hubs for the front :)

[s13fay92]

Great write up but I have a Q, I have my rear hubs off and was going to replace them with the 5 lug ones, but the 5 lug one wont slide on right, is it the hub or do i need to try harder? Thanks

[Yesh]

Is it this one??
NISSAN 240SX S13 FRONT & REAR 5-LUG CONVERSION SET - eBay (item 140506854527 end time Mar-31-11 03:47:21 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NISSAN-240SX-S13-FRONT-REAR-5-LUG-CONVERSION-SET-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20b6dc747fQQitemZ14050 6854527QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries)

[twyztidmind]

Is it this one??
NISSAN 240SX S13 FRONT & REAR 5-LUG CONVERSION SET - eBay (item 140506854527 end time Mar-31-11 03:47:21 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/NISSAN-240SX-S13-FRONT-REAR-5-LUG-CONVERSION-SET-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem20b6dc747fQQitemZ14050 6854527QQptZMotorsQ5fCarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccesso ries)

Yes thats the one.

UPDATE: When buying the ebay ones, buy some aftermarket studs such as ARP or Nismo. The ones that come with the hubs snap pretty easy.

I got some ARP Extended lugs since we are adding wheel spacers soon.

[LDB477]

I am in the middle of doing one of these swaps and I'm running into an issue with the ABS ring. The toothed ring that comes off of the old hubs does not fit the new hubs, and the new hubs come with some weird flange-ring looking thing. I can only assume that this is some sort of ABS defeater, anyone else run into this?

[twyztidmind]

I am in the middle of doing one of these swaps and I'm running into an issue with the ABS ring. The toothed ring that comes off of the old hubs does not fit the new hubs, and the new hubs come with some weird flange-ring looking thing. I can only assume that this is some sort of ABS defeater, anyone else run into this?

Can't help you there mine didnt have ABS.

[A54]

Nice ...Thanks for the pictures!

[Speed Junky]

Eventually I will do this, i'm guessing you do this because a 5 lug is stronger and have more wheel options? Can anyone explain the technical side to this?

[fckillerbee]

Eventually I will do this, i'm guessing you do this because a 5 lug is stronger and have more wheel options? Can anyone explain the technical side to this?

yes. brake options too.

[Edwin562]

this will help me alot soon, i just bought my 5 lug hubs... thanks for great write up...

[Dany]

Can I do the same thing as u but for an s13? or theirs more steps to it?

[SuperDown]

Sweeeeeeeeeet

[jaysgottaredtop]

FYI for you do-it-yourselfers with access to a drill press and other basic tools:

http://zilvia.net/f/s-chassis/400538-how-diy-front-5lug-conversion.html

^ basically free front 5lug conversion.

[SuperDown]

I wanted to stay 4 lug pretty had but the huge selection of wheels and sizes is too much to ignore so screw it I'm down haha

[hOngsterr]

found it.

http://zilvia.net/f/archive-faqs/142360-how-install-5-lug-hubs-only-have-pics-rear.html

[jake schuur]

good write up. I just did this swap and it was a breeze

[tapdeznutz]

good write up. I just did this swap and it was a breeze

^i'm with stupid hehe^

[lewisfk]

quick question for the guys who done this already, i'm in the middle of the rear swap and i couldnt get the four nuts by the spindle off. So i just pushed the spindle out! I removed the rear shocks and the suspison linkage then i used some man juice and pushed it out! Did I f#$% something up or is this a common thing?

[lewisfk]

Noone has done this?

[tapdeznutz]

quick question for the guys who done this already, i'm in the middle of the rear swap and i couldnt get the four nuts by the spindle off. So i just pushed the spindle out! I removed the rear shocks and the suspison linkage then i used some man juice and pushed it out! Did I f#$% something up or is this a common thing?

push out? u mean removed the entire spindle? which shouldnt be a problem and you really did not have to remove ur strut either unless you just wanted more room to work....just remove and replace the 4 with the 5 lug hub now and re-assemble. i had to remove some linkages too but again everything is straight forward...just take ur time and think things thru. gl

[future]

I have a questions. I bought some z32 n/a rear hubs. They fit my axEls and everything. But the hubs have he extra tab on them. Thoes holds the ebrake shoe together on the z32. Im bot doing the rear ebrake conversions so will these hubs work? Or are they only good for people using them for a z32 ebrake conversion? Oh and this is a s13 btw

[lewisfk]

Can someone verify the torque of the 36 mm hub nut is 75-85, and the four nuts are 58-72 lbs torque? Thanks Lou!

Hey guys im having trouble getting the rear hub off, is there something I'm missing?

The four bolts are off, the 36 mm nut and c. pin is also. I pulled to plastic rings from the inside of the 4 lug off. I spent the last hour banging the shit out of the hub, any suggestions!

[jaysgottaredtop]

torque specs for the axle nuts are big-breaker-bar-and-jump-on-it.

torque specs for the four hub nuts are big-breaker-bar-and-tighten-it-as-best-you-can-in-such-an-awkward-space.

[lewisfk]

^^i have an impact gun so I can hit from 90 to 150 lbs, I just dont want to over due it! How about the other stuff I mentioned?

[cliffsmith1]

So lets say I broke the front 19mm caliper mounting bolt... what size bolt would that be?

[lewisfk]

Hub puller works miracles! 20 bucks harbor freight!

[zooopreme]

I have a questions. I bought some z32 n/a rear hubs. They fit my axEls and everything. But the hubs have he extra tab on them. Thoes holds the ebrake shoe together on the z32. Im not doing the rear ebrake conversions so will these hubs work? Or are they only good for people using them for a z32 ebrake conversion? Oh and this is a s13 btw

+1, I also want to know this.

[future]

Ive been wanting a answer for months

[pacotaco345]

It seems like the ebay hubs are hit and miss... My rear hubs have about 2500 miles on them and already have play on both sides. My front left hub came drilled slightly off center so it feels like I have an out of balance wheel all the time. My front right one though, is perfect lol. So just FYI for everyone, buyer beware.

[jesse_s13]

It seems like the ebay hubs are hit and miss... My rear hubs have about 2500 miles on them and already have play on both sides. My front left hub came drilled slightly off center so it feels like I have an out of balance wheel all the time. My front right one though, is perfect lol. So just FYI for everyone, buyer beware.

OEM. This can be a SAFETY issue.

[jaysgottaredtop]

^ both of my housemates (both with S13s) have used ebay hubs at one point or another, and they all went bad.

one hub (a front hub) developed play between the outer race of the bearing and the hub into which it was pressed! very very very very very bad. the bearing is bolted to the knuckle... but suddenly the hub/rotor/wheel are no longer firmly attached to the bearing! the only thing holding on the hub/rotor/wheel is the brake caliper (which is then getting loaded/twisted as the car enters a hard corner).

bottom line: ebay hubs can be very dangerous. either use oem s13/s14 hubs, or grind out a new snap-ring groove into a j30 hub and press in the correct s13/s14 bearing.

[tapdeznutz]

j30 hubs FTW!!

[240SilviaX]

You can unbolt the axle @ the diff and slide the axle out of the bearing w/o removing any of the arms from the knuckle and then remove the hub. Made it very easy to get those 4 bolts on the back side of the knuckle.

[Frank_Jaeger]

^ both of my housemates (both with S13s) have used ebay hubs at one point or another, and they all went bad.

one hub (a front hub) developed play between the outer race of the bearing and the hub into which it was pressed! very very very very very bad. the bearing is bolted to the knuckle... but suddenly the hub/rotor/wheel are no longer firmly attached to the bearing! the only thing holding on the hub/rotor/wheel is the brake caliper (which is then getting loaded/twisted as the car enters a hard corner).

bottom line: ebay hubs can be very dangerous. either use oem s13/s14 hubs, or grind out a new snap-ring groove into a j30 hub and press in the correct s13/s14 bearing.

Why can't you just press in OEM bearings into ebay hubs?

[jaysgottaredtop]

^ not the same tolerance. my housemate tried, but it wasn't a tight fit. way too sloppy to actually use.

[VinceDude]

Thanks! I used the bearings that came with it, not going to lie, they did look iffy but we dont track this car or anything so i wanted to see how they would hold up as a DD (will keep you guys updated)

No pics of the wheels just yet, getting new tires on them right now, it's an S14 btw..

Nice write up man. Can you use the oem bearings on these conversion hubs will they fit in there? I'm not specifically asking about just these hubs but all the other conversion hub brands. Can all of them fit the oem bearings? I've been hearing from everyone that the bearings that come with those are trash.

[Taylordog2]

I'm about to dive into this project tomorrow on my s13, the rears i have no concerns about but the fronts i believe are off of an S14 that my buddy had in Japan, it has R32 brakes according to him, they look like z32 brakes to me.. My question is will my stock brake lines work with those calipers and will my brake maSter be alright or do i need a different master? And i read on the second page that if they are off of an s14 you need the lower control arms to?? What's the difference in hubs??

[Taylordog2]

Just read this " s14 5 lug hubs bolt in after u change the ball joint in the s13 lower control arm after that the s14 hub needs to b pressed into ur s13 knuckle easy peasy lemon squeezy" is this true?? And if i have the s14 knuckle could i just do the ball joint on the LCA and everything else should bolt up?

[240SilviaX]

Yes.. very good you searched.. for the 14 knuckle on a 13 arm you need a 14 ball joint in that LCA.. as for your brake master you will need to change it cuz it will become very spongy and kinda scary to drive, because it has to push 8 pistons instead of 2 in the front.. .. they sell conversion brake lines at almost every 240 performance store cuz the stocks are different than the R32/z32 style ,, just google it

[Juantwo3]

if u have an s13 you will also need either s14 calipers in the front or z32 fixed calipers in the front witch ever you perfer or afford.

[jaysgottaredtop]

^ what? an s13 with stock s13 knuckles, stock s13 calipers, and stock 5-lug s14 rotors will fit perfectly. you don't need to get s14 calipers. hell, as far as i know they're virtually identical anyways. i should know because i did it and they worked fine, haha

[Juantwo3]

^ what? an s13 with stock s13 knuckles, stock s13 calipers, and stock 5-lug s14 rotors will fit perfectly. you don't need to get s14 calipers. hell, as far as i know they're virtually identical anyways. i should know because i did it and they worked fine, haha


word????!!!!!!!

dam i spent money for nothing i read a right up and it said s13 calipers wouldnt fit the larger rotors of the z32 26mm

[jaysgottaredtop]

^ wtf? no no no no.

if you are using an s14 brake rotor on your s13, your s13 caliper will work fine.

if you are using a z32 rotor, you need to also get the correct z32 caliper. s13/s14 calipers will definitely not work with z32 rotors.

[Taylordog2]

Yes.. very good you searched.. for the 14 knuckle on a 13 arm you need a 14 ball joint in that LCA.. as for your brake master you will need to change it cuz it will become very spongy and kinda scary to drive, because it has to push 8 pistons instead of 2 in the front.. .. they sell conversion brake lines at almost every 240 performance store cuz the stocks are different than the R32/z32 style ,, just google it

Alright good to know! I appreciate the info guys that's going to save me money lol i saw a z32 master on CL for pretty cheap along with some drilled and slotted rotors, the z32 master will bolt up right? I did the rears today since my 5 lug came off of a complete rear sub frame i just pulled and swapped everything lol axles, LCA's, calipers, all of it it was just easier easier that way but it took me about 3 hours to strip the subframe and install on my car everything works flawlessly and i fixed a couple minor problems along the way too.

For you guys here in OC where are some 240 shops I'm in Moreno valley..

Here's a couple pics sorry bout the quality..
Before:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m19/taylordog2/IMG_20121221_153023.jpg
During:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m19/taylordog2/2012-12-22_14-11-06_757.jpg
After:
http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m19/taylordog2/2012-12-22_19-51-54_697.jpg

[240SilviaX]

search, FRSport.com - Aftermarket Performance Parts (http://www.frsport.com/) , Welcome to The NISMO Shop - At West Covina Nissan (http://www.thenismoshop.com), Enjuku Racing Parts, LLC - High Performance Auto Parts (http://www.enjukuracing.com), is just some sites that will have those conversion lines,, I do believe the master will fit but not 100% sure,, a quick search on google will answer ur questions

[240SilviaX]

btw is that a J30 rear hub ??

[240SilviaX]

look at this..http://www.thenismoshop.com/Braking_c_35.html will have the correct parts and for the conversion and e-brake cables for the drum style e-brake

[ov1989]

sub'd! neat write up man

[Slowasscivic]

Great write up and very helpful. I am doing the same thing on my s13 but I want to use 300zx calipers all around. Will I need an adapter to attach them to the hub?

[kilamax03]

nice write up.. i did this on my s13 on sat. like 240silviax said- if you have an s13 its better to just remove the axels and undo the bolts for the rear hub.. front hub is just slide on.. if you have a hard time removing the rear hub once you have the bolts out just use a hamer and tap/bang it from the sides and you will see it start to slide out..
and i used s14 rotors also...

[240SilviaX]

Dont forget to use your WD40

[Taylor008]

Removing the axle for the rears is a big waste of time, don't listen to them LOL. I used to think that until my friend showed me otherwise.

There are recessed areas in the axle so that you have room to loosen the bolts for the hub. Just turn your wheel/axle until the axle is in the correct location, remove bolt 4x, and remove the hub.

Every time I've had to remove rear hubs they're real bitches from all the rust. I found that if you PARTIALLY thread the bolts into the back of the hub, then hammer them (on all corners,) the hub will start sliding out. Also beating the hell out of the face of the hub works as well.

[240SilviaX]

Some replacement axles dont have those axles recessed areas like mine ,, and using wd40 makes it alot easier to remove the hub so that you dont have to beat it and just tap it out so that way you wont damage the hub or bearing if you wanted to sell it or re use it if needed to

[240SilviaX]

Plus it makes it easier to get to those bolts and getting a torque wrench in there + my axles were already detached because I was rebuilding my diff at that time

[240SilviaX]

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[coupesallday!]

I have a questions. I bought some z32 n/a rear hubs. They fit my axEls and everything. But the hubs have he extra tab on them. Thoes holds the ebrake shoe together on the z32. Im bot doing the rear ebrake conversions so will these hubs work? Or are they only good for people using them for a z32 ebrake conversion? Oh and this is a s13 btw

would like to know this as well...but for s14

[twyztidmind]

Z32 rear hubs will work on s13 and s14

[FernieMac]

I just recently picked up a set of SE hubs and rotors. I've been told my stock front calipers on my '95 wont work with the new rotors but the rear will.. is this true? do i need to go with a Q45 or Z32 setup? or stock se calipers?

[sweeper240]

might do this with these:
ISIS Performance 5 Lug Hub Conversion - Nissan 240sx 89-94 S13 - Enjuku Racing Parts, LLC (http://www.enjukuracing.com/products/ISIS-Performance-5-Lug-Hub-Conversion-%252d-Nissan-240sx-89%252d94-S13.html)

[manny325]

anyone running drop enginnering hubs

[kidwithjdmstuff]

thanks bro! this is helps a lot! i am doing my conversion next month. can't wait! once again thank! how does the 350z rims look on your ride?

[Frank_Jaeger]

anyone running drop enginnering hubs
I am up front. When I bought the fronts they were going through a revision for the rear and I couldn't get the rears too. Ending up getting shameful ebay hubs.

The drop engineering hubs are surprisingly good quality for what they cost. Packaging was very good, hubs / bearings have held up great. I'm impressed. If my ebay hubs take a dump I'll be picking up the DE hubs for the rear.

[daimonshaw]

did you get your rotors from eBay too? can't seem to find a set of all four for 115