top mount intercooler

[SleepySR]

Anybody have any pics of top mount intercoolers on 240's/silvias besides the signal cars in superstreet? thanks sleepySR

[RBS14]

Most likely not because it requires a lot of fab. for the average joe. what else do you need to see besides those ones? They are done perfectly. have you seen them in real life? Way more impressive. with all the shrouding and the vented hood, it prolly works Very well.

[Dousan_PG]

i have lots of pics
but im too lazy to post...meh. just get stolen after my hard work scanning! hahaha

im really too lazy

good response (turbo)
equal cooling (or better cooling) to intercooler/radiator

bad because heat soak

definately need vented hood and proper shrouding for air flow

depends on application really, as does any car setup..

[SilviaDriver]

somebody on FreshAlloy.com has a TMIC like the signal cars. a lot of cutting

[SleepySR]

any body have better pics of the signal cars me and steeles are going to fab a simalar set up on my s14 dousan steeles showed me some pics of your car drifting with the wheel in the air nicely done!!

[SilviaDriver]

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/pc575a45e81c36dc1a90ee950b890361e/fb6fe259.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p02fe3bab8f4dc5f87711f69841d6013c/fb6fe24e.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/p023368f6613ae347540ad82965c633d7/fb6fe265.jpg

if anybody wants to know..those are Volk GTUs

[jojothemonkey]

wow that car looks awsome!

[Steeles]

Originally posted by SilviaDriver
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/pc575a45e81c36dc1a90ee950b890361e/fb6fe259.jpg


if anybody wants to know..those are Volk GTUs

Dont use Ahhhsk's pics without giving him credit!

hehe dousan, scan them and email them too me. like Sleepy said we're gathering info to do it on his car ;) and probably mine too.

[kapower]

form and function, I like that. How much of the old core support is still being used? Looks like a lot of fabricating. If the end tanks/collectors where closer to the engine the IC pipes would be shorter. Is'nt that the point of a top mount?

[KSee777]

that's sick... just sick... :p :bigok:

[SimpleS14]

You lose your headlights with that setup......right?

[TheTicTac]

Originally posted by kapower
form and function, I like that. How much of the old core support is still being used? Looks like a lot of fabricating. If the end tanks/collectors where closer to the engine the IC pipes would be shorter. Is'nt that the point of a top mount?

I've always wondered that too. Anyone know if he is having cooling problems? I'm thinking fans are out of the question under that radiator.

[GTGuy06]

anybody gonna post any pics?? if not send some to my email - [email protected] ,

I'm thinking fans are out of the question under that radiator.

i bet you could use fans on the radiator, just need to be creative with the pipes going near the fans.

[Dousan_PG]

people put dual fans on the radiator
custom piping is required.

[TheTicTac]

Originally posted by dousan36
people put dual fans on the radiator
custom piping is required.

Um I'm gonna say custom piping is a given, but no fan is gonna beat the stock fan and fan shroud. Don't get me wrong having a top mount is cool but it's gotta function.
Moving everything just to make it look cool and not function is kinda pointless.

[SleepySR]

With proper ducting to the radiator and i/c, cooling and heat soak shouldn't be that big of a problem and fans are definite, the i/c piping will be shorter and quicken up throtle response and it would be stealthy, perfect for sneaking up on people hehehe

[Sway500]

Isn't there a kit sold in Japan thats in some of the magazines to do top mount ic?

[Dousan_PG]

Yes,
i believe HPI sells it
i dont remember off hand though, but pretty sure its HPI

[Steeles]

Originally posted by TheTicTac
Don't get me wrong having a top mount is cool but it's gotta function.
Moving everything just to make it look cool and not function is kinda pointless.

if you look at hows its mounted your creating a STRAIGHT path for the air. its going in the bumper and hitting a > air can go one of two ways... down through the raiator or up the the IC. its a lot more functional than having air go through the IC, then through the AC thing then through the radiator... by the time air hits the radiator its allready getting hot with a FMIC setup. This way (i.e. Ahhhsks setup) your getting tons of air straight over the radiator and the IC with minimal interference. that is function over form. thats why they use similar setups on the track..fans would still be used for everyday stop and go style traffic since your not moving all that air sitting at a stop light. just havent figured out how/where i'd mount them...

[kapower]

If there is'nt enough room behind/underneath the radiator for a puller stlye fan, then just use a pusher style fan in front/on top of the radiator. On many DC fans you can reverse the polarity to get it to push or pull.

[Steeles]

Originally posted by kapower
If there is'nt enough room behind/underneath the radiator for a puller stlye fan, then just use a pusher style fan in front/on top of the radiator. On many DC fans you can reverse the polarity to get it to push or pull.

Thats a possibilty but then what about the IC? put a puller on the bottom side of it too? OR my idea was to mount twin fans vertically at teh front to suck air in. kinda like [> where [ = the fans and the > = the rad/IC locations.... but then would they be able to keep up at say highway speeds? I dunno. we'll work it out. DOuSAN!! REV SPEED INFO AND PICS OF TMIC SETUPS!!! hehehe you STILL owe me the rev speed stuff. lol

[kapower]

I dont think a vertically mounted fan would be very efficent. you should just mount a pusher onto & on top of the radiator(that is if you dont have enough room underneath of it) and it will draw air from the bumper/outside, and push it through the radiator. If you do decide on running a fan on your intercooler (witch is a good idea) you should run another pusher that will draw cold air from outside and push it through the intercooler and into the engine bay. if you were to run a puller under the intercooler it would suck hot air out of the engine bay and through the intercooler. I guess you could run a puller ontop of the intercooler, but that might kill the look of your setup. Most top mount intercooled cars use some sort of a vented hood to cool the intercooler down, you probably already know that, but I think the S14 looks very clean right now with the flat black paint, chunky rims, OE hood, and all of that custom fabrication. props on all that custom fabrication,it looks very, very, "clean".

[SilviaDriver]

Originally posted by Steeles
[B]Dont use Ahhhsk's pics without giving him credit!


yea..i was trying to find the thread but couldnt..and forgot the SN..so yea..i couldnt really give him credit if i dont know where to find it really.

but yea..my bad.

[Steeles]

Originally posted by kapower
I dont think a vertically mounted fan would be very efficent. you should just mount a pusher onto & on top of the radiator(that is if you dont have enough room underneath of it) and it will draw air from the bumper/outside, and push it through the radiator. If you do decide on running a fan on your intercooler (witch is a good idea) you should run another pusher that will draw cold air from outside and push it through the intercooler and into the engine bay. if you were to run a puller under the intercooler it would suck hot air out of the engine bay and through the intercooler. I guess you could run a puller ontop of the intercooler, but that might kill the look of your setup. Most top mount intercooled cars use some sort of a vented hood to cool the intercooler down, you probably already know that, but I think the S14 looks very clean right now with the flat black paint, chunky rims, OE hood, and all of that custom fabrication. props on all that custom fabrication,it looks very, very, "clean".

yeah I wasnt sure on the efficiancy of the vertical setup. like I said we havent started so we'll see.. probably end up with a pusher fan on it. dunno abou on the IC since its not AS important. I still think with proper ducting on the setup the Fan is only gonna be needed for extreme stop and go traffic. i think at speed or even cruising the air coming in will be more than enough. hehe cant wait to start.

[Joe_M]

Nice setup.... but I don't see how the radiator can cool too well.

Doesn't the filler neck have to be the highest point in the system to allow it to bleed and hold pressure properly?

Joe

[Steeles]

Originally posted by Joe_M
Nice setup.... but I don't see how the radiator can cool too well.

Doesn't the filler neck have to be the highest point in the system to allow it to bleed and hold pressure properly?

Joe

who says its not? the upper return pipe might slightly be higher but thats where the burp hole is anyway

[DoriftoSlut]

Heheehe. Oscar needs a vented hood otherwise that will be pointless.... also, if you are reading this man... I liked the GTN's more than the U's...

Anyway. I think this is funny about US tuning... If you look at the japanese set ups, they are nice, but you can tell 90% of all the set ups are strictly performance, scrapped out of spare piping, lots of cut pieces and welds, and zipties to keep harness wires out of the way. And the drivers takes their cars to the track or street drift as much as possible.

Not saying Oscar wont do that, but his set up looks like a show car. Its pretty. Its beautiful, clean, perfect. It is tooo much so. I mena in the amount of time it took to make everything look so pristine, the japajnese dude 9,000 miles away has gone ot 4 track events, busted 2 bumpers on the intersections of Osaka, and lost a rear bumper and 1 tail light at the Hakone touges....

Another thing is paint jobs. Look at the engine bay or interior color of most of the japanese cars. Even the TAS cars. They are all original colors with the Kandy metallic tangerine mica pearl on the exterior. Does it looks the same? How many people do you guys know of that take like 4 months to totally prep and gut evenry thing in their car and get it all perfectly one color and shiny and ****.... Whats the point? (I know the point... dont answer...)

Anyway, I just think its funny how the US tries to emulate the Japanese tuning culture, but we got overboard and create like 200% more work just so it looks OEM or something... meh.

[Steeles]

shut up and send me pics of M4d TYt3 JdM setups!! :axe: :hammer:

where you been hiding anyway man?

[DoriftoSlut]

Oh I relized what was bugging me about his setup. His IC inlets should be close to the ENGINE, not the car front. Thta is one main advantage of a TMIC setup... quicker response.

Also, instead of keeping the inlet and outlet on the sides, he shoudl have cut them off, welded metal to cover the holes, and cut new holes on the bottom on the IC (bottom if it were vertical, engine side in the current position), & re welding the inlet and outlet there. Why? then the piping goes STRAIGHT, no bends, and throttle response is even better.


:( :wtc: :cry:

Edit:

Scratch that... the IC should be angled down more in the rear, and the inlets and outlet welded at an angle so that the piping is straight, but the IC is in more of a V formation with the Radiator. Ok... Why? No room as it is to have ducting to the vented hood when the IC is jammed up directly underneath the front of it. Anyway... just pointing out the most efficient ways...:doh:

[FRpilot]

thats what i thought too. after reading that one guy's question if a tmic would disable the use of headlights, i saw the piping and it looked like it was in the way. i thought about the signal cars, and the piping is closer to the engine and also thought about the tmic setup for quicker response and less piping (what i learned from the scc silvia article, sad huhz?). in fact, the whole core support is cut off for the ic.

i dont get what you mean about the v setup.. angling the ic and radiator to form a v. oh wells. tmic setups are for the hardcore racers. :bowdown:

[RBS14]

dorifto is saying that to make the "v", the front of the intercooler (the edge closest to the front of the car) should be higher than the back of it, and the radiator should be angled as it is in the pics. With the IC angled in that manner, air can flow through it easier. Spearco makes endtanks that go on their cores that are almost identical to what dorifto was describing. :drool: they're wicked!

I don't know why this is such a crazy idea or project for most people, you are going to have to cut out your bumper support to fit most ic's anyways. I know its a lot more work, but every minute of it would be fun. I guess most people don't have the tools to do it.

[MyFirst240SX]

SO he doesn't have is metal bumper soppurt anymore or is that a common thing on FMIC cars. That would scare the **** out of me driving without mine. fenderbend and that 900 dollar intercooler,SR20, and other helpfull stuff is died?

[DoriftoSlut]

Originally posted by MyFirst240SX
SO he doesn't have is metal bumper soppurt anymore or is that a common thing on FMIC cars. That would scare the **** out of me driving without mine. fenderbend and that 900 dollar intercooler,SR20, and other helpfull stuff is died?
Yep. I guess you could be like the Aussies and Brits and put the IC BEHIND the ratiator. Just have to use good ducting and fans...

TMIC is very cool except for the whole NO FU_CKING WAY ARE YOU GOING TO BE LEGAL WITH THAT THING. I mean a FMIC is bad enough, how about one staring you in the face (street cars). Track car only... woo hoo good to go.:boink:

[andrave]

*post revived!*
why would that be illegal?

[Dousan_PG]

a turbo charged 240sx?

YES most definately

[Bliss]

in CA it would most definately be illegal. not in other places though.

[andrave]

we don't all live in cali now do we?
hell in WV I could put a giant cowl induction scoop on my car and drive around any no one would care. I hardly think half the cops around here would know what an intercooler was. I'd just tell em it was a fancy cold air intake or a radiator...

[Dousan_PG]

hey genius
sr20det is technically illegal in ALL states

[ARC]

I like it!