500 hp redtop

[vinceqrbeast]

hi everyone, i'm new to the site and i need some advice. I've got big plans for an sr20det redtop build. I've been looking up the tomei neo arms kit and idk if i'd be able to get that power with that kit. What are the requirements to achieve 500 hp mark? Sorry for being a noob about 240's.

i've got some parts down my list and feel free to cross out or add in some.

- tomei stroker (2.2L)
- gt35 56 trim BB by garrett
- power fc
-tomei valve springs and valves
-tomei cams (pro cam)

[shiftdrift]

that's all you need man, do it! search, this is zilvia, we won't spoon feed you.

[Trevor87]

sounds like a dream and not reality

[vinceqrbeast]

i've had dreams that i made into reality and some i'm still working on. I think money talks at this moment. i'll be doing some searching. Meanwhile i just wanted to share that where i come from (hawaii) not many are into clean and fast -done right 240sx. My goal is to break that chain.

-wish me luck.

[shiftdrift]

you running on hopes and dreams?

[TurboStrong]

Lots of nitrous!!!!!

[ross.cottrill]

sleeved and built bottem end(might as well do 90mm)
stock ve head
30r or 35r and done...

[fliprayzin240sx]

My best advice...for as much money you'd have to throw to make this 500hp pipe dream a reality...don't go SR. Spend the money on an RB25/26, 2JZ or even a LSx swap. Go big or go home...

[codyace]

hahah ^^^ beat me to it.

If you're gonna dream, you may as well do it correctly.

[xiaphin]

agreed with ↑↑↑↑

speed equals cubic dollars - good luck

[nathanong87]

all you need is money. with money you can build a 500hp prius motor and throw it in your car if you wanted.

[HPKMotorsports3]

Good luck man any pics of your shell?

[K_style]

My best advice...for as much money you'd have to throw to make this 500hp pipe dream a reality...don't go SR. Spend the money on an RB25/26, 2JZ or even a LSx swap. Go big or go home...

Agreed..
Unless if you are just dreaming it.. and never even come close to it in future like most other dreamers...

[240sx123$]

IBTL.

A 500hp SR would be no fun.

5500rpm of spooling, 1000rpm of actual power...

[!Zar!]

What makes you want 500hp?

[TurboStrong]

IBTL.

A 500hp SR would be no fun.

5500rpm of spooling, 1000rpm of actual power...


Can anybody agree with this???

[nissanfreak317]

Don't know for sure ^^

But it seems like shooting for 500 on the SR is pointless. If you are going big, do as they say. RB or LS. Now, if you find that your budget will not allow that, then a 350-400 hp SR might be right for you. Are you planning on competing with this car or simply driving around on the weekends and showing off?

[240sx123$]

Can anybody agree with this???

Lol, obviously im exaggerating a little bit. The point i was making was that to attain 500hp from a 2 liter 4 cylinder will give you a ridiculously unusable powerband. You can get it to PEAK at 500hp, but who cares about peak HP when youre still getting walked by 350whp LS1's? The point i'm making is that high horsepower doesnt necessarily equal a fast car. If youre only making that 500hp in 10% of your rev range, the car is still going to be slower than something making less power, but in a BROADER range.

Useable power > High HP dyno numbers.

If I was looking at two identical cars for sale, one with a 350whp SR and one with a 500whp SR, practically speaking- id rather have the 350whp. Id rather be able to tap into my power under normal driving conditions, rather than having to rev the piss out of it to make it go. Not to mention the 500hp SR is gonna be a DOG under normal driving conditions (read: when not in boost).

[Siberian Husky]

OP, that power range is better suited for a larger engine. as others have said, rb or ls would be the way to go.

and 500 sounds a bit arbitrary. i too am a newb, but I can at least admit that I dont even know the difference between 350, 450, or 500 hp. my fastest car was an rb swapped hatch, and i dont know the numbers it pulled but I can say it was damn fast. it was stock so it couldnt have been doing more than 270 to the wheels. 500 though...thats just retarted unless you have some specific application.

[nissanfreak317]

Which leads us to the real question...


What makes you want 500hp?

[Weedm]

500hp is what you need to power an s-chassis into space.

[playastarkz123]

IBTL.

A 500hp SR would be no fun.

5500rpm of spooling, 1000rpm of actual power...

I cant 100 percent agree with this statement, Ross Petty's sr makes 586whp and im willing to bet that his car along many other sr's i have seen over the 500hp is a hell of a lot of fun to drive

ofcourse this car has had a considerable amount work done to it with a very high price tag, but if you got the money to do it right a 500hp sr would be very enjoyable

CAR FEATURE>>THE GARAGE BOSO S15 - Speedhunters (http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/10/26/car-feature-gt-gt-the-garage-boso-s15.aspx)

[shiftdrift]

My best advice... 2JZ. Go big or go home...
that's what i just purchased :)

[K_style]

I cant 100 percent agree with this statement, Ross Petty's sr makes 586whp and im willing to bet that his car along many other sr's i have seen over the 500hp is a hell of a lot of fun to drive

ofcourse this car has had a considerable amount work done to it with a very high price tag, but if you got the money to do it right a 500hp sr would be very enjoyable

CAR FEATURE>>THE GARAGE BOSO S15 - Speedhunters (http://speedhunters.com/archive/2009/10/26/car-feature-gt-gt-the-garage-boso-s15.aspx)

It's all about the tune...

Frank said their car make around 460whp last January,,, and it beats shit out of 500+ hp cars...

[!Zar!]

I want a 500hp dildo.

[ross.cottrill]

all you guys preach on how cool it is to slap a 2871r on your mildly built sr,when the truth of the matter is that you can have the same response but with waay more power being setup properly.a 2871r even with a .64 a/r,cams and in intake manifold is going to hit full spooll around 4700 rpms and only make like 340 rwhp and even shittier torque.now if you look at (forum member)WHITEY240,he has a bone stock sr with a bone stock ve/vvl bottom end.spooling a little sooner and making 500 rwhp and good torque.its all about approach and doing things right!!is going to cost you?YES,you gotta pay to play.to get good power out of any powerplant(with the exception of a 2j lol)your going to have to spend a good amout of money for it to produce good power reliably...

[omgRWDgoodness!]

500hp is what you need to power an s-chassis into space.

Quote of the week.

[udon!]

Just buy this.

http://www.odv2.com/media/Art_work_for_forums/tomei/GENESIS_SR.jpg

[Rawrzies]

Dream big = LS1. I don't think we even have an LS1 240sx here on the islands yet.

[killer240]

hmmm 500hp SR

[Drifting-pedobear]

500hp sr is dope.

spending all that money is not, because there are much better ways to go.

try again OP.

[kalypso123]

No amount of horsepower will correct sloppy wheel fitment.

Priorities*

[hulkster_s13]

Dream big = LS1. I don't think we even have an LS1 240sx here on the islands yet.

yes we do. its been done for a couple years now right after the track closed

[J90lude]

Damn you guys are going big on numbers. Hell...give me 250whp to wheels and I'll great. Haaa!

[smelly240]

i have over 500hp... You have to be very careful when doing this...

You cannot rely on 4032 pistons if u want to run 500+hp regularly... 4032 is too soft u will need 2816.

make sure u have abou .0045-.0055 Piston to wall clearance...

get ready to break parts a lot.

I get full boost at 4500 and made 509 on 93/meth inj... so its not bad on lag. You can do it with a 3076, 3582, and a few of the precisions without crazy lag.

I was running mahle pistons but after 12k mi the piston tops started to compress the top ring... 4032s just arent made for 30+psi

Also - you'll need something better than ARPs. My head lifts a little at anything over 28psi.

I got CP 9:1 now with .0050 piston to wall... gonna shoot for 600 now that i have the ve head on it. gonna pull it on the dyno saturday as long as the headgasket comes in.


We didnt even get to what u gotta do to the stock head yet. I broke 7 rocker arms the last 2 years. even when i had solids.

If you wanna dream... dont do a SR. The amount you gotta worry about makes your dream a nightmare.

[sqd]

500hp isn't exactly "hard" to achieve with a SR. Let me give you an example, swedish SR with 540 hp. One key thing is that it's running E85, which generally results in more power.

Parts-wise:
86.5mm bore
CP pistons
Eagle rods
ACL bearings
ARP studs
Ported head
Crower Stage 3/272 cams, with Crower retainers and valvesprings
etc
Garrett GT3076r
PowerFC
Z32 MAF
SARD 850ccs
and so on.

This @ 29psi and E85 = 540 crank hp, and 480 rwhp. Drifted, daily driven 1500 miles, no issues or problems whatsoever.

And it's not really a hard goal to reach :)

[smelly240]

^^who let this guy talk?

crowers cams are weak/

not everyone can get e85... meth inj is nice - for those who arent in the northwest or midwest - in southeast PA we got nothin.

and i call bs on 500hp on sard 850cc and e85. Please... 850s? really? 540hp on 850s on E85? at like 75psi base FP?

On gasoline you need 850cc to make 500hp (at like 92-95% DC) - on e85 you need 1250cc minimum to make 500.

i would get at least 1600s for e85 - 1000s for gas

I run 1000s with 2 big meth nozzles...

if youre looking for 500hp ditch the sidefeed crap

[codyace]

.... at like 75psi base FP?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL


I like his D/D claim too...1500 miles (oh, off the gate)

Oh the internet....

[kanekoa28]

Dream big = LS1. I don't think we even have an LS1 240sx here on the islands yet.


help me find a ls1 :) then for sure there will be one :ddog:

[Weedm]

driving 1500 miles alone takes at least 21 hours, so he spends 21 hours driving a day duh. we need to give him 500hp so he can go to space and off our planet earth.

[sqd]

Wow *insert facepalm here*

First dyno session:

Flywheel figures and whp:
http://www.maxxtuning.se/dynodata/10-0013/dynochart.png

This was later refined to 480whp and 540 @ crank.

The daily driven mileage wasn't per day, smartass, it was total so far.

Jesus f*ing christ, it's not even my car I'm talking about here - what can I possibly gain from making this shit up? Goddamn..

[juiced305diesel]

wow... havent been on here in a bit. let me put in my .2 cents. I have been messing with sr for a bit from a t25 to 6765 making 800rwhp. If your shooting for 500rwhp on a sr build it! If you attempt to make 500rwhp on a stock bottom shit will brake!!! I snapped 3 rockers twice. Then i dropped a valve lol.. I was making 534rwhp on a billet 5857. If you ad up on all the money your going to spend building your bottom end and head it should make you think twice about selecting an Sr20. Thats why i switched to a 2JZ!

[kalypso123]

yea but transmission options for the 2j are sparse.

the r154 is nice... i guess its work calculating the value of that.

[mwilloughby87]

r154 is the easiest way to go with the 2j....just use the marlin crower rebuild stuff on it and you're set.

[udon!]

Derp

Fixed.

Msglength

[kalypso123]

r154 is the easiest way to go with the 2j....just use the marlin crower rebuild stuff on it and you're set.

R154 2WD Race | Marlin Crawler, Inc. (http://www.marlincrawler.com/transmission/rebuilt-complete/r154-2wd-race)

wow...thanks :0)

that rebuild is sweet... wish the cost was closer to 650-700. for only the parts and not the rebuild.

but still good

[HGOTBOOST]

You need to rebuilt a KA will save you money and alot of time

-GT35r
-Pistons
-Cams
-Tuned
-coilovers that can handle that power
-headers
-Full 3inch catback
-Walbro 255 fuel pump
-1200cc injectors
-Fuel rail

I am pretty sure with just 18psi you will be doing 500hp+

[sr20drifter1]

All you need is money. Anything can be done on a sr20det. You can even have 1000hp on a sr20det. Money talks.There was a guy that I used to go chill at his place who had a 800hp sr20det. That thing was very very scary. Here is a link where you can find cars that have sr20det with a lot of power.
Drag and Drift (http://www.draganddrift.com/car_info.php?id=454)

[PomiDori]

call mazworks and say "I got 10000$ "

I think they can do real good building sr20 with vet head and dry sump producing 500+hp and 10k revlimit

[xtopgun32x]

all you guys preach on how cool it is to slap a 2871r on your mildly built sr,when the truth of the matter is that you can have the same response but with waay more power being setup properly.a 2871r even with a .64 a/r,cams and in intake manifold is going to hit full spooll around 4700 rpms and only make like 340 rwhp and even shittier torque.now if you look at (forum member)WHITEY240,he has a bone stock sr with a bone stock ve/vvl bottom end.spooling a little sooner and making 500 rwhp and good torque.its all about approach and doing things right!!is going to cost you?YES,you gotta pay to play.to get good power out of any powerplant(with the exception of a 2j lol)your going to have to spend a good amout of money for it to produce good power reliably...


my mildly built 2871r makes more than 340 and i penetrate my seat like a pornstar from the torque...just saying...i think im lucky cuz i slightly agree with you...bought the car cuz it was a good deal...the right rb25 will make my 2871r sr feel like a noob pornstar.

go with the RB! best reliable power!

[juiced305diesel]

yea but transmission options for the 2j are sparse.

the r154 is nice... i guess its work calculating the value of that.

Theres alot of options i was torn between a c4, glide and the r154. I selected the r154 its cheap and cheap to rebuild with marlin crawler thrust bearing , retainer and shifter fork. Theres alot of options V160, r154, c4, powerglide, th400 and so on

[zurud]

So what's everybody saying is sr sucks. Bunch of honda with b series making 800whp nowadays. What part of sr sucks? I bought my s13 with sr hoping to break 10's in the 1/4 with at least 20mpg city.

[ross.cottrill]

call mazworks and say "I got 10000$ "

I think they can do real good building sr20 with vet head and dry sump producing 500+hp and 10k revlimit

ummm,its gona cost more than 10gs....just sayn...

[240sx123$]

So what's everybody saying is sr sucks. Bunch of honda with b series making 800whp nowadays.

Right, but any small four cylinder pushing high horsepower like that is gonna SUCK for the streets. Generally speaking, pushing a B Series to 800whp is no different from pushing an SR that far.. itd cost about the same amount of money to do. Its not that the SR sucks, but with any build like that in a street car, itd be no fun. People only look at the "whp" and assume thats everything. People dont consider things like torque curve, useable power, broad powerband- these are all phrases easily skipped over by the young and naive. 800whp doesnt mean shit if youre not getting any of it until 6500rpm. The reason a different motor would be better is because A) youll reach that that target horsepower SOONER, and B) Youll make that power more reliably.

I bought my s13 with sr hoping to break 10's in the 1/4 with at least 20mpg city.

Good luck with that.

[!Zar!]

Sell 240, purchase corvette.

[codyace]

(in reference to 10 second, 20 mpg)

Good luck with that.

Why do you say that???

It would be very easy to be quite honest. Light s13, with a decent suspension, and a 400-420 hp 2871r, and you'd easily be there. Remember out of boost, it's a regular 125 hp 4 cyl...any competent tuner will be able to get it to be like driving miss daisy with a nice mid 14 afr when putzing around.


For example, my car went mid 11's at 120 mph, full weight s14, 400 whp, and gets 30-32 highway, and 23-25 mixed.

[MadScientist]

ummm,its gona cost more than 10gs....just sayn...

Considering he has the SR Engine already...

1. Mazworx quoted me $3200 for machine work and assembly.... the only parts I didn't have is the Pistons and Bearings.... this is Block Only!!!

2. I have easily spent $3000 on the Head... P&P, Solids, 270s,Ti retainers, dual springs, seats, guides, etc...

3. Good Intake side... Best Cheep option is the Greddy Short Port w/ 70mm RNN TB., 1000cc injectors and Top Feed Fuel Rail... you would Defiantly need a SARD FPR. Thats was another easy $1500+

4. Turbo Side - Full Race or PowerLabs Twin Scroll setup, twin waste, DP, dumps, Turbo... $3500+

We have hit the $10,000 mark...

This doesn't include any supporting systems that would be VITAL to engine life.

Example: SS Lines, Fluid Damper, Twin Plate Clutch, Aluminum or Carbon Driveshaft, Engine & Trany Mounts... this list could easy go on for another obnoxious mount $$$$.

Basically...
I have been building my car for over 6 years with all the above mentioned parts, and I still am not at a point where its drivable!!

Point being... 6 years - 1 car - $60,000... is it worth it???

-Drew

[Dabie305]

1 up mad scientist!! my mazworx tally hit $15,000 a while ago. no turbo, no ecu, no ignition, no clutch, no fuel. no shit!!! even bought the rods and pistons myself. lol im right around 40-50k for my fully built silvia. no labor included. All mech. labor and body work done by me! I stopped counting long ago. if you really sit there and count i dont think any of us would build an sr. for 500hp go 2jz plain n simple. BTW i hope to be done within the next 6 months. 900+ hp here i come.

[OBEEWON]

SR is def not cost effective for high hp.

[kalypso123]

350 is enough

[codyace]

SR is def not cost effective for high hp.

that's the damn truth, no 4 cyl is.

[juiced305diesel]

350 is enough

Its kind of funny but if i could have done it all over again I wouldnt pass 350rwhp on stock block. iI would do S3 cams ,1000cc injectors, Stock intake manifold and a gt28rs on e85 and all the supporting mods... If you want to make power sr's they are not the way to do it on the cheap. I love sr's i really do. I know them like the back of my hand. But the honest truth is there heads flows like shit. There valvetrain sucks compared to... Well everything really. And the botton end needs to be built. But hey look at the brightside guys there jdm tyte!

[juiced305diesel]

1 up mad scientist!! my mazworx tally hit $15,000 a while ago. no turbo, no ecu, no ignition, no clutch, no fuel. no shit!!! even bought the rods and pistons myself. lol im right around 40-50k for my fully built silvia. no labor included. All mech. labor and body work done by me! I stopped counting long ago. if you really sit there and count i dont think any of us would build an sr. for 500hp go 2jz plain n simple. BTW i hope to be done within the next 6 months. 900+ hp here i come.

Yo Bitch i found my 6-1 merge collector on cheap!!!

[mr_eh]

i'm shooting for 500 with this setup - motor being picked up soon... a little concerned with the guy llifting his head at 28lbs with arps! what would you recommend...

ps this dream is my nightmare/reality, 20k into the parts purchasing so far...

Mazworx SRVG Adapter Kit
Mazworx Z32 Transmission - Cleaned/Inspected/Machined For Adapter Plate
Exedy Ceramic Triple Plate
Os Giken Rear 1.5 way Diff
APEXi Power Fuel Commander
S13 SR Harness
External Aeromotive A1000RC Engineering 1000cc Injectors
Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator
Greddy Fuel Rail
Full Race Turbo KitGen 2 SR RWD Prostreet Twinscroll T4 Manifold
Gen 2 SR RWD 3.0in. Downpipe
Tial 44mm Wastegate x 2
Garrett GT35r 1.06 a/r
Optional FR S13 240SX/Silvia FMIC
Tial 50 mm BOV
SR20Red
Bored .20 OverJE 2618 T6 Forged Pistons
Manley Turbo Tuff I-Beam Rods
Tomei Wrist Pins
Nismo Billet Crank
Nismo high Tencil Bearing Cap Bolts
Timken main and thrust bearings
ARP Head Studs
3 Angle Valve Job by JGY Customs
Greddy Rocker Arm Stoppers
Brian Crower Springs/Guides/Retainers
Greddy Intake Manifold
Greddy Oil Pan
Nismo Coil packs
HKS Step 2 264/272 Cams
Nissan Sr20det Full Gasket Set
Greddy Cam Gears
Cosworth Head Gasket

[PoorMans180SX]

Stock SR20VE head
Stock SR20DET block
Mazworx tubular exhaust manifold
Mazworx VE intake manifold
GT3076R 18-19psi
1000cc injectors
Z32 MAF
Q45 throttle body
ROM tune
93 Octane

http://mazworx.com/pics/whitey%20vvl.jpg

[juiced305diesel]

i'm shooting for 500 with this setup - motor being picked up soon... a little concerned with the guy llifting his head at 28lbs with arps! what would you recommend...

ps this dream is my nightmare/reality, 20k into the parts purchasing so far...

Mazworx SRVG Adapter Kit
Mazworx Z32 Transmission - Cleaned/Inspected/Machined For Adapter Plate
Exedy Ceramic Triple Plate
Os Giken Rear 1.5 way Diff
APEXi Power Fuel Commander
S13 SR Harness
External Aeromotive A1000RC Engineering 1000cc Injectors
Aeromotive Fuel Pressure Regulator
Greddy Fuel Rail
Full Race Turbo KitGen 2 SR RWD Prostreet Twinscroll T4 Manifold
Gen 2 SR RWD 3.0in. Downpipe
Tial 44mm Wastegate x 2
Garrett GT35r 1.06 a/r
Optional FR S13 240SX/Silvia FMIC
Tial 50 mm BOV
SR20Red
Bored .20 OverJE 2618 T6 Forged Pistons
Manley Turbo Tuff I-Beam Rods
Tomei Wrist Pins
Nismo Billet Crank
Nismo high Tencil Bearing Cap Bolts
Timken main and thrust bearings
ARP Head Studs
3 Angle Valve Job by JGY Customs
Greddy Rocker Arm Stoppers
Brian Crower Springs/Guides/Retainers
Greddy Intake Manifold
Greddy Oil Pan
Nismo Coil packs
HKS Step 2 264/272 Cams
Nissan Sr20det Full Gasket Set
Greddy Cam Gears
Cosworth Head Gasket

Dont build your setup around 500hp it will limit you when you want to grow in the future. Never limit your self First do you have E85? If you do build your setup around it. Get an ignition box aem if on the cheap or m$w with cbr coils. Get L19 1/2 headstuds. You dont need a nismo crank stock crank will hold 1000rwhp+. Aeromotive a1000 are gay i have one. Get a magnafuel electric fuel pump! With this pump theres no need for voltage converter and there more reliable.The Gt35r is old technology Get a pte 6262 t3 .83 this turbo spools like 35r but can make 800RWHP. Billet wheels is where its at. Why power fc? Get an aem or a haltech ps1000!

[juiced305diesel]

Stock SR20VE head
Stock SR20DET block
Mazworx tubular exhaust manifold
Mazworx VE intake manifold
GT3076R 18-19psi
1000cc injectors
Z32 MAF
Q45 throttle body
ROM tune
93 Octane

http://mazworx.com/pics/whitey%20vvl.jpg

Guys there no doubt the can make that power i made 534rwhp. On a stock bottom end. Hybridnamics, Phase2, Enjuku, scott. All these people made 500+ the thing is guys they are not Reliable!

[mr_eh]

Dont build your setup around 500hp it will limit you when you want to grow in the future. Never limit your self First do you have E85? If you do build your setup around it. Get an ignition box aem if on the cheap or m$w with cbr coils. Get L19 1/2 headstuds. You dont need a nismo crank stock crank will hold 1000rwhp+. Aeromotive a1000 are gay i have one. Get a magnafuel electric fuel pump! With this pump theres no need for voltage converter and there more reliable.The Gt35r is old technology Get a pte 6262 t3 .83 this turbo spools like 35r but can make 800RWHP. Billet wheels is where its at. Why power fc? Get an aem or a haltech ps1000!

i'm not limiting to 500 but it should be achievable without pushing it TOO hard. No e85. everything is purchased already, the pfc is easy to tune and should be fine with the setup. i hope =X the 35r i purchased 2 years ago when i bought the car lol, i didnt think it would take this long or be this expensive.

[Mishkin_707]

off topic but kinda, was anyone at race wars this weekend in wisconsin? there was a datsun 510 with an sr and it ran a high 7's in the quarter mile, gonna see if i can find my vid of it, and it came from puerto rico that thing was awesome

[juiced305diesel]

off topic but kinda, was anyone at race wars this weekend in wisconsin? there was a datsun 510 with an sr and it ran a high 7's in the quarter mile, gonna see if i can find my vid of it, and it came from puerto rico that thing was awesome

You talking about Kako the orange car? If so he just ran a New Record of 7.11 @ 191 MPH

[steve shadows]

I have built a few SRs with 500 brake HP and 500 WHP

ALl of which used STOCK pistons, STOCK rods, and mostly stock block

The best turbo I have found is the GT3037S or GT3040 or GT3076R

I like the 3076 / 3037S the best. Full boost at 3900 RPMS and insane torque curve all the way to 8100.....yes 8100 rpms on hydro lifters and stock valve train...

It's all in the tuning boys and girls

...these were all on 91 octane, for 500 brake HP on stock pistons/rods/bottom end//// :wavey:

[juiced305diesel]

If im not mistaken you rebuilt your motor? I think you used new oem pistons and rods... but it was a fresh rebuild This is not a fresh off the boat 14 yr old sr with questionable mileage and maintenance...

[ross.cottrill]

Guys there no doubt the can make that power i made 534rwhp. On a stock bottom end. Hybridnamics, Phase2, Enjuku, scott. All these people made 500+ the thing is guys they are not Reliable!

why do you say that??ask whitey if he has any problems yet..hes been beatn the livin sh*t out of the sr20ve setup and no problems whatsoever!!and this was a full stock/stock setup.this is the reason why i spent the extra $ on the ve head...just sayin...you cant go breakin rockers on this setup and it breathes waay better.these are the 2 faults of the sr...done and done...

[juiced305diesel]

why do you say that??ask whitey if he has any problems yet..hes been beatn the livin sh*t out of the sr20ve setup and no problems whatsoever!!and this was a full stock/stock setup.this is the reason why i spent the extra $ on the ve head...just sayin...you cant go breakin rockers on this setup and it breathes waay better.these are the 2 faults of the sr...done and done...

Yeah i know what the vvl head can do. My cousins car Dabie305 has a vvl head on his fully built motor all built by mark at mazworx. At the end of the day how much is a vvl swap kit? 2195.99 How much is a vvl Motor? 1300.00Plus your stoc k s13 motor plus all your supporting mods. Guys at the end of the day it takes more money than a 2jz or ls1. On a side note we have a low miles vvl motor with auto trans for 1300.00 let me know

[240sx123$]

For example, my car went mid 11's at 120 mph, full weight s14, 400 whp, and gets 30-32 highway, and 23-25 mixed.

Nice! I stand corrected. I know theres no way I personally could get that kind of mileage, but thats cool that it can be done.

[ross.cottrill]

Yeah i know what the vvl head can do. My cousins car Dabie305 has a vvl head on his fully built motor all built by mark at mazworx. At the end of the day how much is a vvl swap kit? 2195.99 How much is a vvl Motor? 1300.00Plus your stoc k s13 motor plus all your supporting mods. Guys at the end of the day it takes more money than a 2jz or ls1. On a side note we have a low miles vvl motor with auto trans for 1300.00 let me know

if i could do it over...def 2j..

[smelly240]

id do LSX and a turbo - i say that but i continue to dump everything i got into a sr.

I gotta go call the Harley dealer and order a few shims to be next day aired... next day'd those VE 9:1 pistons from mazworx/cp - other vvl stuff from gspec (cali to philly NextDay is rough) and i still need other crap :(

saying the ve swap is 2200 bucks is bs... once you build the head and have 1000 in machine fees, few hundred on springs - and 500 for cams (or 900 for kelfords) its so damn much money.

[jonathan.bayspeed]

straight LSx or 2jz for the win

[SilviaSR20DET]

i vote 2jz for 500hp. you'll get there faster and will be more reliable and cost effective then building a sr20.

[Zerolift Autolab]

Ive got a 1JZVVTI in stock super clean, front sump oil pan, extended shifter R154.

Also have a Sleeved Rough Bore 90mm SR20det block with 1/2 Head Studs.
Let me know if i can help with anything.

Thanks,
Robert

[PoorMans180SX]

I'd rather have an SR.

Why?

Because it's cool.

Everybody has LSX's and 2JZ's that make that much.

Having a 4-cylinder that can eat Lambos and Ferrari's is cool.

Dead set on something bigger? VQ30DET. 500whp is not a problem on stock internals.

[codyace]

I'd rather have an SR.

Why?

Because it's cool.

Everybody has LSX's and 2JZ's that make that much.

Having a 4-cylinder that can eat Lambos and Ferrari's is cool.

Dead set on something bigger? VQ30DET. 500whp is not a problem on stock internals.

Everybody has LSX?? That's news to me...


I guess I'd rather 500 hp, of the naturally aspirated variety. Less nonsense, turn key, spin tires, no worries.

[PoorMans180SX]

Yes, if you include all the corvette, camaro, mustang, and whatever else has a "god's gift to engines" lsx in it.

And no worries? Good luck.

[mr_eh]

power is power, it can be made cheaper.

a 240sx enthusiast with anything other than a nissan motor? not a fan.

[240sx123$]

a 240sx enthusiast with anything other than a nissan motor? not a fan.

Why? Because Nissan makes such amazing motors that itd be an embarrasment to Nissan to run anything else?

There are a slew of other manufacturers that make great motors- better motors than what Nissan makes.

[mr_eh]

Why? Because Nissan makes such amazing motors that itd be an embarrasment to Nissan to run anything else?

There are a slew of other manufacturers that make great motors- better motors than what Nissan makes.

i'm just not a fan, it makes perfect sense to get anything but an sr for cost efficiency. i just dont like it, my personal opinion doesn't really mean anything...

[240sx123$]

i'm just not a fan, it makes perfect sense to get anything but an sr for cost efficiency. i just dont like it, my personal opinion doesn't really mean anything...

I mean dont get me wrong- the SR is a great swap option for the 240.. Ease of install, ability to use ac/ps/cruise, good power potential.. its a good motor, but if your goals are high hp, the only real advantage of an SR is cheaper initial price, which is totally offset by the amount you need to spend to get it there. 2jz/RB/LSx are all much more expensive to install initially, but much easier to pull power out of. I feel like a lot of people do the SR swap with a reasonable initial power goal, but when they find themselves wanting more, its easier to upgrade the current motor than go to a whole new platform. In this way, its easy to be nickled and dimed into a fully built SR that, at the end of the day, probably wasnt the smartest investment.

Nissan makes some good motors, but nothing that really says "wow, thats innovative." Wouldnt it be nice if Honda designed an aftermarket SR head for us? lol

[mr_eh]

I mean dont get me wrong- the SR is a great swap option for the 240.. Ease of install, ability to use ac/ps/cruise, good power potential.. its a good motor, but if your goals are high hp, the only real advantage of an SR is cheaper initial price, which is totally offset by the amount you need to spend to get it there. 2jz/RB/LSx are all much more expensive to install initially, but much easier to pull power out of. I feel like a lot of people do the SR swap with a reasonable initial power goal, but when they find themselves wanting more, its easier to upgrade the current motor than go to a whole new platform. In this way, its easy to be nickled and dimed into a fully built SR that, at the end of the day, probably wasnt the smartest investment.

Nissan makes some good motors, but nothing that really says "wow, thats innovative." Wouldnt it be nice if Honda designed an aftermarket SR head for us? lol

i 100% agree with that. and yeah i dont think the sr is better than any option available, it's just true to the car. i set out initially with 500 goal in mind and knew it wasnt a great idea, but its just a daily driver, if i was looking to drag or drift this would have been my last choice

[codyace]

Yes, if you include all the corvette, camaro, mustang, and whatever else has a "god's gift to engines" lsx in it.

And no worries? Good luck.

My reference was into swap - and I'd take a Vette in a heartbeat over any 240, that's for darn sure.

And yes, no worries. I can provide you with personal contact information of LSx guys in the 400/500/600/700 range, with all sorts of power adders and or N/A, without any issue at all.

Hell my favorite example is my good friend dave just sold his Vette...9.30 car, with over 600 passes...CAM/Springs/Intake only, and a blower. Never had a single issue with it, and he drives it twice a week. And there are COUNTLESS examples of 6.0 and lS1 based cars makign 450+ whp with bolt ons and cam...how can you beat that type of reliability...no turbo pipes, no oil issues, no wacky tune problems, no lag...just go baby go at all times...

Granted my SR 240 is just as turn reliable and driveable, but man I'd love anothe 250-300 whp with the same reliability...just isn't gonna happen ya know?


I love all sorts of HP, from any sort of powerplant...I'm jut as impressed by a 300 hp Slant 6, as I am by a 1000 hp 2jZ....bottom line is though, if I'm gonna make HP, reliably, and cheaply...you can not beat LSX.

[Flicktitty]

for an easy 500whp get a 2JZ. no question.

Percision 6265 turbo
tial wastegate
Tial blow off valve
USDM camshafts
Fuel pressure regulator
if your feeling lucky stock USDM 550cc injectors.
intercooler and a solid tune through a R154 will make 500whp all day long without thinking about it.

[kalypso123]

^ brings warmth to my stomach.

[!Zar!]

I'd rather have an SR.

Why?

Because it's cool.

Everybody has LSX's and 2JZ's that make that much.

Having a 4-cylinder that can eat Lambos and Ferrari's is cool.

Dead set on something bigger? VQ30DET. 500whp is not a problem on stock internals.

Is this an audition for F&F?

Nobody cares how many cylinders your car has.

You could win against a Veyron in a race to the moon.

A 500hp 240 won't win against a Ferrari on a road course.
Doesn't change anything.

People try too hard to be different. The easiest way to get big power would be to either swap in a LSx or a 2j.

http://www.cafi.info/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/458newbatch-web.jpg

vs.

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/1723/1641/4305820092_large.jpg

[MadScientist]

That Ferrari is known for catching on fire!! It has a reputation of a Pontiac Fiero.

And yes... it is cool to make the douchbag going through a mid-life crisis second guess his $250,000 investment with our petty 5 minute instant rice box!!

Glad you feel the need to bag on your own car, too.

Pink is a good color for you.

-Drew

[Bubbles]

I'm not even sure lswhatevers are that much better in a 240 than an sr.

Granted most sr's aren't anywhere near 500 (neither is a stock rednecker) but there is a lot more running than ls's.


One day I fully expect to lose my good taste though and put one in an fc that has stock wheels and sits like a 4x4.

[!Zar!]

That Ferrari is known for catching on fire!! It has a reputation of a Pontiac Fiero.

And yes... it is cool to make the douchbag going through a mid-life crisis second guess his $250,000 investment with our petty 5 minute instant rice box!!

Glad you feel the need to bag on your own car, too.

Pink is a good color for you.

-Drew

My comment was directed towards the one of which I quoted.

The car you are building is being thought thought, as well as you have the resources to find what you need.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you had the mentality of building your car thinking, "Because it's cool.

Everybody has LSX's and 2JZ's that make that much.

Having a 4-cylinder that can eat Lambos and Ferrari's is cool.".

Douchbag comments deserve douchbag replies.

And it doesn't take owning a Ferrari to reach that podium either.

OP is asking about reaching 500hp, and people have given a strong and sound options.

Someone coming in saying, ' Do X because all the Y are doing F".

And just to let you know, I do like pink.



I'm not even sure lswhatevers are that much better in a 240 than an sr.

Granted most sr's aren't anywhere near 500 (neither is a stock rednecker) but there is a lot more running than ls's.


One day I fully expect to lose my good taste though and put one in an fc that has stock wheels and sits like a 4x4.
As long as you take care of the voltage problem, don't rev it too high, and your oil system is beefed up, you can beat on them in moderation.

[enigmadsm]

sorry, but its gonna be cheaper to build a 240 with an existing SR swap to make 500hp than to swap in an LSx motor and THEN make that hit your hp goal...

You could always be like me and just build a KA :D. usuable power, reliable, wasn't ridiculously expensive to build...

Oh and with a proper tune you definetly don't need a 35r to make that power, go the smallest turbo possible to make the power you want...Use something like a 3076 or a borg warner turbo, that way you can at least have somewhat of a reasonable spool

not sure why people think that 500hp is an insane number, its really not that difficult to pilot nor that difficult to build...ANY non nissan swap such as a 2jz or LSx is gnna be big money, and thats just to have a stock swap...then you gotta build it to the power your are aiming for. I'd agree with some of you people if OP was shooting for a ridiculous number like 700+. but there are literally thousands of 4cyl cars in this country making 500whp that are daily driven and reliable.

[herbieS13]

i'd have to agree w/ everybody else on 500 on an sr is not the smartest idea, but if your dead set, there are brands other than tomei, BC makes a stroker kit, i use their stoker kit cams valve springs and retainers and i have no problems with it 400ish is more than enough for an sr and you should have no problems making the 400 mark on a 2871, i put down 417 @ 20psi on a 2871, and that really all you need, but if you really really want 500+ and reliability go with the 2jz or lsx

[97240TB]

I say enslave hundreds of children to huddle together under your car and pull it down the road. MUCH MUCH MUCH cheaper then all this silly Engine build stuff.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I have a fully built SR20DET and I'm probably sitting at 500hp. Can't say exactly since this shit hole has no working dyno.

But my point is, considering how much money I've spent on it and the end outcome of not having able to have power till closer to 5,000 rpm sucks, even tho my redline is all the way up to 9k. Car had no balls what so ever down low. Once shit is spooled, I have no traction even on 3rd gear. This made the car not fun to drive for what I do with it. Basically do everything with it, daily driver, touge, HPDE/Gymkhanas, drag and drift it.

I've ridden on friends cars that I believe is better suited for a daily with high HP. One buddy was making over 600hp on a stock bottom end RB25 mated to an HX40. If I wasnt so commited already to an SR, I should have just pulled out the S15 Spec R engine out of my car and done an RB25 swap 4 yrs ago.

[PoorMans180SX]

But my point is, considering how much money I've spent on it and the end outcome of not having able to have power till closer to 5,000 rpm sucks.

Sounds like you need one of these:

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff261/fe3tcourier/holsetHE351VE/IMG_0001.jpg

[fliprayzin240sx]

^^^nani???

[PoorMans180SX]

Holset HE351VE.

600whp capable.

Makes 10psi by 3500rpm, and 25psi by 5K.

That's on a 2 liter.

On a 2.4 it makes 10psi by 2600rpm and 24psi at 4400.

[mr_eh]

my 35r for my sr is twin scroll and i'm using 264/272 hks step 2s... i was concerned about spool time as well... if i didnt already have the 35r i would get something different today

[fliprayzin240sx]

I'm debating between getting 4.6, maybe even a 4.8 gear in the rear or just getting a smaller .64 AR for the turbo.

Poormans, I never figured this out but what flange does Holset use for their turbo? I've thought about running a holset, specially since rebuild kits are cheap and you can find a holset hx30 for dirt cheap...I've see them go for $100 shipped.

[Flicktitty]

the GT35R Is/was a good turbo. it is a little on the "old" side. look into the new percision billet stuff (6262) (5857)

[PoorMans180SX]

I'm debating between getting 4.6, maybe even a 4.8 gear in the rear or just getting a smaller .64 AR for the turbo.

Poormans, I never figured this out but what flange does Holset use for their turbo? I've thought about running a holset, specially since rebuild kits are cheap and you can find a holset hx30 for dirt cheap...I've see them go for $100 shipped.

Well, the HE351VE actually has a really odd flange. You can find it online though, just type Holset HE351VE into Google shopping or eBay.

HX30's are T3 flanged.

[ETHANOLED SR]

Check out my build thread!!! That's what you need for a reliable all day long 500+ HP SR!!! I'll have dyno sheets soon after it's tuned and all!!! We'll see the power band it puts out and then you can tell me if you want an LS or JZ instead!!!

[whitey240]

Stock SR20VE head
Stock SR20DET block
Mazworx tubular exhaust manifold
Mazworx VE intake manifold
GT3076R 18-19psi
1000cc injectors
Z32 MAF
Q45 throttle body
ROM tune
93 Octane

http://mazworx.com/pics/whitey%20vvl.jpg

I completely agree with this setup!

haha... I have road raced, drag raced, daily drove this current 500hp setup. Not a single issue! I have never been stranded and get excellent gas mileage when cruising on the highway. It is a great feeling when you can just jump in and turn the key and go. The car idles like it is the stock SR.

The difference between my setup that doesn't blow up and the people that grenades in a week is time. There has been a ton of time, and research into the proper parts and tuning to make this all work. If you skimp on the time part you most likely will be creating boat anchors on the daily.

[sr20s13abel]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5008/5300128639_4cf30a2475.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sr20s13abel/5300128639/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5121/5300128613_e1b0fb4a00.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sr20s13abel/5300128613/)

here is what u need to get 500+ rwhp.. proved!!! my motor here in this pic my car...

sr20det black top red top or pink it doesnt matter.. ur gonna build it anyways...

87 mm cp pistons
eagle rods.
new oil pump new water pump new seals
apexi 1.2 mm headgasket
tomei springs
272 bc cams.
tomei rocker arm stoppers
tomei cam gears
new greddy intake manifold with 70 mm throttle body
850 cc injectors 110 octane race gas
gt3076r @ 25psi
aem ems for best tune...



oh yeah i forgot to say. if u only want to get around 500 whp. u dont need to sleeve ive drag this setup for 3 years now and still pushing it hard..

this car runs
10.8 @ 129 mph in california speedway
1.4 60ft


and i still drive it on the streets of LOS ANGELES..

[The Hamsterball]

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/330549-big-power-sr23det-s14-build-thread.html

i think you should check out this guy's build thread.

he made like 734 whp or some shit. more than 500, but you could look at his set up and choose differently for less power.

[whitey240]

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5008/5300128639_4cf30a2475.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sr20s13abel/5300128639/)

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5121/5300128613_e1b0fb4a00.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/sr20s13abel/5300128613/)

here is what u need to get 500+ rwhp.. proved!!! my motor here in this pic my car...

sr20det black top red top or pink it doesnt matter.. ur gonna build it anyways...

87 mm cp pistons
eagle rods.
new oil pump new water pump new seals
apexi 1.2 mm headgasket
tomei springs
272 bc cams.
tomei rocker arm stoppers
tomei cam gears
new greddy intake manifold with 70 mm throttle body
850 cc injectors 110 octane race gas
gt3076r @ 25psi
aem ems for best tune...



oh yeah i forgot to say. if u only want to get around 500 whp. u dont need to sleeve ive drag this setup for 3 years now and still pushing it hard..

this car runs
10.8 @ 129 mph in california speedway
1.4 60ft


and i still drive it on the streets of LOS ANGELES..

Definitely a nice build. How much did you spend on the build? Do you run race gas on the street?

[sr20s13abel]

Definitely a nice build. How much did you spend on the build? Do you run race gas on the street?

honestly i dont know because i work @ sr20store. and labor is free for me n most of the parts i get them at a very low price and some for free.. as far as race gas yup. its 10.25 a gallon n i drive my car on 26x8.5 et drags on the streets as well .. people always trip out lol.... I LOVE IT

CHECK OUT MY LISENCE PLATE.. SR20S13

[HouseElf]

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/330549-big-power-sr23det-s14-build-thread.html

i think you should check out this guy's build thread.

he made like 734 whp or some shit. more than 500, but you could look at his set up and choose differently for less power.

QFT ;) and that is on low boost, 820+ soon

if you want to build a sr do it, 500hp is not hard if you have the money. but dont go tomei, they are very proud of thier stuff ($). just go with a BC set up, i think i proved how good thier stuff is.

edit- oh and get a real ecu (FCON VPRO), if your going to put money into a motor, at least protect it with real software.

[whitey240]

honestly i dont know because i work @ sr20store. and labor is free for me n most of the parts i get them at a very low price and some for free.. as far as race gas yup. its 10.25 a gallon n i drive my car on 26x8.5 et drags on the streets as well .. people always trip out lol.... I LOVE IT

CHECK OUT MY LISENCE PLATE.. SR20S13

That is always nice to have in your back pocket. I wouldn't be so concerned about the race gas cost but availability. That has to suck!

[ixfxi]

Just buy this.

http://www.odv2.com/media/Art_work_for_forums/tomei/GENESIS_SR.jpg

~20,000.00 USD and they still sell you a motor with an OEM crank damper. :(

Sell 240, purchase corvette.

words of wisdom there, folks. amazing, its just so hard for some people to let go of these OLD vehicles and admit defeat to...... AMERICAN MUSCLE.

I'de so take a Corvette over a GTR, ANY DAY.

[BoostSlideWayz]

I personally think he just wants to see his sr pull 500 hp. But that much hp on a 4 cyl is quite a bit . Like others have said if you just care about hp than get like rb, that motor can achieve 500 pretty easily and reliably. But if he has the money.. he can get that 500 hp out of anything he wants.

[idriftmydaily89s13]

put the 250K that ud spend on the ferrari and put it into a sr 240 if you could even spend that much and you will get 500whp, i understand the OP's reason for wanting that much hp from an sr. I originally wanted that much to put down, i been readin researching and been in a number of big hp cars. I know that 500 even at the block is unfortunately not practical for street. So .. like for me to say i want 500whp, its not that i want it that much to use it on the street. But to say it has that much hp and to be able to use it on the track when i need it. ( but I have now realized for any street car its kinda pointless. )

Me my goal is on my 89 hatch a 300-400 whp ( with a streetable tune ) for a daily

and someday a track only car that makes ... wahtever i can get. haha ( goal is 500whp )

none the less theres nothing wrong with going for the goal of 500whp, if you got the money and thats waht you want to do then do it. I was totally gonna go for it too at first, and well i realized that its possible and it would be super sick to have a 500whp 240 out of an sr or even a kat but it wouldnt be that great to drive everyday. Its not like no Corvette or Mustang or Ferrari or anything like that where its a statement ( look i got big money )and those cars are track cars that been detuned for production cars.

so to the op, go for your goal, why not?

[smelly240]

Holset HE351VE.

600whp capable.

Makes 10psi by 3500rpm, and 25psi by 5K.

That's on a 2 liter.

On a 2.4 it makes 10psi by 2600rpm and 24psi at 4400.

I'm the only one here thats put that on a SR... That was almost 2 years ago now... It was cool but you cant fit it in the engine bay easily.

I maxed out a z maf with that turbo... im happier with the billet 6262 and the vvl now though. Just got some sr16ve cams... maybe i can get rid of the WALL IT HITS ON SR20VE CAMS @ 8000.

[Vetal]

I'm the only one here thats put that on a SR... That was almost 2 years ago now... It was cool but you cant fit it in the engine bay easily.

I maxed out a z maf with that turbo... im happier with the billet 6262 and the vvl now though. Just got some sr16ve cams... maybe i can get rid of the WALL IT HITS ON SR20VE CAMS @ 8000.smelly240, you had HE351VE and dumped it for a "simple" turbo? Why, and why 6262 worked better? I'm planning to put HE351VE on mine (CA18)...