Things not yet made for our cars

[Bill Roberts]

Howdy all!

Of all the things that we can get for our cars to make us more happy with it..lets list some things that are not available that you have thought of, that you would like. I know a guy that has a full machine shop, injection molder and die casting facility.

Besides cupholders, what would you want?

My Short list:

1. Premade bracket to use a standard shock absorber between transmission and frame.



(I had to make one and use a tranny shock from an 84 4X4 nissan king cab. It is very effective..but a real pita and time consuming., the little shock is getting rare too)



2. Cat back hangers that allow for heat shielding and can raise the exhaust system higher to keep from dragging.

(long drives, my floor gets HOT. Too many nice systems dragging the ground. It would need to have suspention; rubber mounts..close to the floor pan with the heat shield long and bolts up.)

3. Bracket for torque shock between right rear suspention and frame.
(keeps from bending things in a speedshift, less shock on driveline during hard shifts. I have bent the rear suspention support at the frame and had to rework it.)

4. Smaller but better aftermarket overflow res.

(something that could be mounted out of the way)

5. Master cylinder offset link

(to move the master cylinder farther from the turbo on the SR swap I have seen types of brake shaft offsets on custom cars)


6. Premade hatchback strings for cover, and new post insets made of something substantial.

Think of any more?

Like something you always thought should be better, but a PITA to do yourself unless you have a machine shop.

Here is the deal. IF anyone has a good idea and I can follow through with it, I can see to it that you get some sort of honorarium or distribution cut and that Zilvia gets a percentage donated to help the site.

I am just brainstorming some.


The good things come from simple ideas. I want to see some things get made that does some good...and at a really low price.


Someone can think of something simple that is not only really worthy, but something we all could use??

IF you don't mind driving without the donut tire, the hole there makes a nice subwoofer enclosure. I built a nice template to mount 2 10 inch in an isobarak load and it is great, takes up no room at all.

Deep bass, no room used. Bass goes right through the carpet. Amp mounts there too. You don't see it at all, can hit 127dB with 100 watts.

[WIshb0ne]

Altezza's!!! bwhahahahaha:hahano:

[91CRXsiR]

how about some "JDM style 180SX tails from APC " and some JDM style bumper lights from APC haha

[ca18guy]

One of these for a KA please :o

http://store3.yimg.com/I/ntnsracing_1753_19412061

[boro240]

Originally posted by ca18guy
One of these for a KA please :o

http://store3.yimg.com/I/ntnsracing_1753_19412061
is that for a toyota?

[ca18guy]

Originally posted by boro240
is that for a toyota?

Yep, Supra...

Also see the empty space in the photo below I circled? Make a thin sheetmetal piece to fill it in, increases airflow to the engine/radiator/intercooler and makes it look better. Got this idea from a similar product made for 300ZX's

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid73/pb714faa2b6179b09d20f82cf4ae3a9a2/fb707a3b.jpg

[boro240]

they make those for 240/180/silvia too.

[ca18guy]

Originally posted by boro240
they make those for 240/180/silvia too.

Well then make more.

[FRpilot]

Originally posted by ca18guy
One of these for a KA please :o

http://store3.yimg.com/I/ntnsracing_1753_19412061

i would also like to see a short runner intake plenum for ka also. psi240 had a nice custom intake manifold made for his turbo ka s14.

[elevator]

I wish they made the exhaust manifold/turbine/down pipe easier to get at. Man what a nightmare working on them thangs.

[transient]

I'd love an aftermarket fuel rail for my CA18DET.

[Bill Roberts]

If anyone has a cross section diagram for the collector box and fuelrail (I can ask around too) I am certain it can be done at Pauls shop. Internal drawingas are essential. It would not be a copy but the cavity volvmes need to be know to keep from wasting material. It cand be shaped much differently as well on the exterior.

Transient, heads up for a money order and then you can ship the goodies..

[mbmbmb23]

What ca18guy said, a brushed aluminum engine shroud for the radiator and fan area. Also....as you mentioned...adjustable exhaust hangers.

Also:


-5 lug front hubs for the S13 (non sealed wheelbearing)
If these hubs are good quality...and you could make a profit by selling them for $300 or under....you'd make a KILLING on here. You could save money by not including the bearing.

-KA24DET custom fuel rail
-KA24DET turbo manifold (quality tubular at a rev-hard price)
-Aluminum air box for use with square K&N filter, w/ cold air extension connection.
-S13 front door speaker frames (I've included my jpeg pattern for you)
-Nice brushed aluminum 2 or 3 guage frame for center dash AC slot.





-m

[Dousan_PG]

bill: what did your car dyno at on the 2nd?

[Drift Style S14]

we need z3 fenders, lots of them. j/k. what i would really like to see is a clear shield for our 240's.

clear shield is that clear vinel you can put on your car to prevent chips from rocks and such.

[Bill Roberts]

Hey Aaron!

Dyno is going down tomorrow. I got called into my day job last weekend (number crunching, doing some adjusting to last months figures)

Do you think I should go for the 4th gear or the 5th mainly?

I get 3 runs for 25 bucks...their will be a line so I got to be on time. Next try will be last weekend in Aug. This is our follow-up run to see if any tuning hints can work.

I was thinking of so many things I wanted to check and see what makes the most difference. I feel satisfyed pretty much right now..gauging the biggest difference (from the seat) being canning the aftermarket intake (sucking in hot underhood air) back to the 3 stage modded stock intake. The stock intake does have the two bottom scoops and the one behind the headlight so tempurature is much cooler (20 degrees) using the stock type setup, only repositioned somewhat and like I say, modded.

Aaron, do you know why the MAFS gets so damed hot?

edit, damn never took one apart...here is the reason..

http://www.kemparts.com/TechTalk/tt06.asp


If we could add some resistors to the output voltage of the mafs, the computer can be fooled and we can definitly change the mixture with a simple 2 dollar potentiometer.

Unfortunantly, all this would do is swing the curve to a lower value. Modifying the actual curve is the key.

Nice little test here
http://www.autoshop101.com/tests/intest12.html
More here in pdf file.

http://www.autoshop101.com/forms/h34.pdf

[OldSklS13]

how about cupholders?

[crioten]

how about a intake pipe (like a regular one...) that goes from the intake mani to a cone filter, i know a lot of ppl have cone filters, and i would like to get rid of the black hunk of plastic that goes across the fan/radiator area to make it a bit more free flowing and cleaner looking ... see below pic...

http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/333000-333999/333349_32_full.jpg

cheap strut bars that are really close to quality ones like cusco?

a nice battery relocation box (i know they only cost like $40)?

something lighter than wood (what i made mine out of) its a sort of cargo area that uses the existing seat hinges to open and close it.. see below pic...

http://images.cardomain.com/member_img_a/333000-333999/333349_17_full.jpg

[zero.counter]

KA24DE;
Aluminum Intake Manifold

Custom Fuel Rail (Already posted, I believe)

Performance Throttle Body

Axle Back Exhaust Systems (Optional)

Angel Eyes Halo Projector Headlights

Bolt On Roll Bar Cage (Street/Sport) for S14.

Plexiglass Windows Kits

I am not sure of some of the things listed by have searched at my best to locate such. Alternative is custom for some of the items.

[Kreator]

Intake manifold
air intake that goes on to the right for ppl with battery relocations
manifold/dp/turbo kits for a decent price
fuel rail

[lavotski]

I second the short intake manifold for people with relocated batteries. I could use one ASAP

[Bill Roberts]

I am doing some experiments on the intake system and the cone on the left is not happening at all. Too much air is getting under the car, by the exhaust pipes and into the cone causing HOTTER air.

The MAFS can benefit from being on the right side as well. All you have to do is make a simple harness for the temp. sensor and the mafs and get that thing away from the exhaust side of the engine.

I im using my (performance package) scoops at the bottom for my air intake and one behind the headlight. I drilled a small hole (to be sealed later) and inseted an electronic thermometer probe and thermometer inside the car.

CAI aftermarket being picked up on the left side is 17 to 22 degrees hotter after the mafs. Using the scoops and the headlight (sleepy eyes) much cooler.

Also, today I installed my Ghetto engine shockabsorber. The only thing "ghetto" about it is the mounts I used...until I can go to the shop monday and fabricate some nice ones and paint them black.

So far...after 1 hr of driving, most pleased with this mod. When I Romp down the weight is now transferred to the rear suspension...not so much toward the motor mounts and transmission mounts. Noticable in smoothness and transfer to the back tires. Touque going to the back wheels instead of twisting on the mounts. The shifter hardly moves now. You can see the front end come up a good inch or more..where before..I did not notice this much weight transfer.

Not a small puny thing..this baby is industral strenth!

I will post a pic of this shortly.

Once I make my first set of mounts, I will offer plans on how to do this.

I will need some seriously clean pictures to make mounts for the S14 and the DOHC versions of the KA. Then some for the SR's

I like it alot!!! Totally different, a first I am sure. Not like aftermarket.

[240Dave]

I am VERY eger to see pics of what you've done for tranny and engine shock absorbers so far :faint:

[Bill Roberts]

easier way to see it..



The tranny shock I will photograph later, it is a pain in the azz to see

http://www.zilvia.net/f/attachment.php?s=&postid=296218

[SimpleS14]

Front mount cold air intake for the KA24DE

I've seen it only for the Civic, I believe its made by AEM.


HEY....its something not made for our cars..

[S13S14S15]

Originally posted by 95KoukiS14
Front mount cold air intake for the KA24DE

I've seen it only for the Civic, I believe its made by AEM.


HEY....its something not made for our cars..

wouldn't a lot of water go into it?

[Bill Roberts]

Their are nice ways to have a bottom duct system that does not pull in water. Mine that I am working on points downward and are duel scoops that capture the updraft off of the scoops in the lip.

I am thinking of a way to manually close them off and just use the healdlight duct if need be...for that purpose...but if your car sucks water, not good.

As long as water does not come up to the door line, no problem. They are like 40 degrees pointing down. If water gets that high...more than an engine intake and hydrolock will happen.

This is simalar to my design...except I am running duels and sealed ducts.

http://www.240sx.org/links/installs/cai/clinthicum/auto/caiport1.jpg


http://www.240sx.org/links/installs/cai/clinthicum/auto/caiport2.jpg

[zero.counter]

Originally posted by Bill Roberts
Their are nice ways to have a bottom duct system that does not pull in water. Mine that I am working on points downward and are duel scoops that capture the updraft off of the scoops in the lip.

I am thinking of a way to manually close them off and just use the healdlight duct if need be...for that purpose...but if your car sucks water, not good.

As long as water does not come up to the door line, no problem. They are like 40 degrees pointing down. If water gets that high...more than an engine intake and hydrolock will happen.

This is simalar to my design...except I am running duels and sealed ducts.

http://www.240sx.org/links/installs/cai/clinthicum/auto/caiport1.jpg


http://www.240sx.org/links/installs/cai/clinthicum/auto/caiport2.jpg
I thought I had heard of that idea, 240sx.org, great find Bill. Let us know how it goes.

[Bill Roberts]

Yea, I saw this about 2 years ago..Mine are actually above and inside the twin bottom duct areas..but not blocking the radiator or condenser.

[deviousKA]

ive heard bill talking about this cold air intake system quite a bit. the car above looks identical to mine. if i can find a decent looking vent/louver instead of that speaker port part im going to do this. where do you think he mounted his maf sensor? it looks like a pain to clean the filter, and because of where it is i would want to clean it more often. i would have the vent much larger, is that uk were you can get the 200sx with the vent in the bumper? i would make it look like that

[zero.counter]

Originally posted by devious
ive heard bill talking about this cold air intake system quite a bit. the car above looks identical to mine. if i can find a decent looking vent/louver instead of that speaker port part im going to do this. where do you think he mounted his maf sensor? it looks like a pain to clean the filter, and because of where it is i would want to clean it more often. i would have the vent much larger, is that uk were you can get the 200sx with the vent in the bumper? i would make it look like that
As taken from 240sx.org by Chris Linthicum.
"Installation is real easy. Simply use a 2.5" Hole Saw ($10-12) and drill thru the plastic body panel just next to the air dam on the front of most S13 Nissan 240sx. The plastic chrome grommet clips in and no adhesive is required. The grommets may be hard to find in a local hardware store, even Home Depot and Lowes might not carry them. Try a millwork, carpentry, or cabinetry specialty shop or mail order like Rockler Woodworking. If you anticipate alot of snow, use the grommet cover piece to cover most of the hole back up, simple and effective. If you're looking for a ram-air system and want to leave your filter in the engine compartment, the grommet technique could be used as an attachment point for one end of the duct used to force air through the fender and up through the existing hole below the old air box location an on towards your filter. Please e-mail me if you have any questions or similar ideas."

[apocalypse]

I wouldn't mind one of these.
For the drivers side of course:cool:
I'll even cut the hole for my hotpipe and the intake

http://www.weapon-r.com/images/airbox1.jpg

[Fastback180]

http://www.weapon-r.com/images/airbox1.jpg
^^^^^^ That's sick! Now make me one w/some water jackets.
I'd really like to see someone make those for the s13. I would love to get one, match it up w/a nice Bltiz filter.
I use to cut and polish those for IS300's all the time. Don't work there anymore.

[Fastback180]

Originally posted by ca18guy
Make a thin sheetmetal piece to fill it in, increases airflow to the engine/radiator/intercooler and makes it look better

ARC makes one of those. I guess they could be easily made w/some sheet metal and access to a former.

[Bill Roberts]

I just took the car out for some pounding.

The shock is...:boink: :boink: :boink: :boink: :boink:

Starting is like a Lexus...very smooth, no big jolt.

The idea is to jolt the back tires at the road and not everything else.

Definitely the front end of the car is pushed up farther during hard acceleration, the car stays strait (use to fishtail) and the shifter does not move all over the place. The rear end squats down more and traction in the rain is better because it is put right where you want it, not distrubuted throughout the motor and tranny mounts and drive link bushings. Much more linear and predictable. Lots more weight on the back tires...at least 15% more...probably much much more than that. The drive line feels connected much better too...like why put power toward flexing a motor mount if you don't have to?

It simply feels like a "much more expensive car" now..smoother.

The sound of the head being bolted to the strut tower is louder, lower but in a good way. You do not feel the vibration as much as before but their is more low end roar and around 4500 up..it sounds very cool.

Again...it works!

The shock, the mounts and the instructions could be had (the right mounts, not this ghetto test mount deal) retail shipped for around 70 bucks turn key. I paid 42 for the shock because what it is for..(not saying right now,..until the mount is figured out right..in the looks department)

I like my mount now...except the looks.

Seems like a good way to go. BTW, that is a gas shock as well. Smallest one I could find for 2600 LBS of rating. Most shocks are good for around 1200LBS.

[deviousKA]

Originally posted by zero.counter
As taken from 240sx.org by Chris Linthicum.
"Installation is real easy. Simply use a 2.5" Hole Saw ($10-12) and drill thru the plastic body panel just next to the air dam on the front of most S13 Nissan 240sx. The plastic chrome grommet clips in and no adhesive is required. The grommets may be hard to find in a local hardware store, even Home Depot and Lowes might not carry them. Try a millwork, carpentry, or cabinetry specialty shop or mail order like Rockler Woodworking. If you anticipate alot of snow, use the grommet cover piece to cover most of the hole back up, simple and effective. If you're looking for a ram-air system and want to leave your filter in the engine compartment, the grommet technique could be used as an attachment point for one end of the duct used to force air through the fender and up through the existing hole below the old air box location an on towards your filter. Please e-mail me if you have any questions or similar ideas."

thats nice to know but, as i said earlier, i dont like that grommet:barf:

the radiator/coresupport metal sheild to direct airflow is an excellent idea (available several places jdm). the hood does not block the passage, if anything it lets hot air in. it would be very cool for someone in the us to design/manufacture their own piece. very easy to produce so prices would be reasonable, I would buy one.

[Bill Roberts]

I would favor it being made out of black textured lexan myself. I think a coolie sheet of Alm. looks cheezy and not finished.

I think Paul could make a pattern on the CMC machine and buzz out a few. material is less than 10 dollars. the shop use if we can take the time pro bono to tool up for some of these things would save a bunch..and for the shop useage, that would be Pauls call.

He makes parts for Rolls Royce turbofans and compressor faces for their Jet propulsion division as a subcontractor.

He also turns the main shafts and makes all the blades.

No muff too tough..all we have to do is have people that want these things and make it so. Like a limited production run.

I would not want to promise the moon and the stars...but things can and will happen. Lets do whatever people want. Zilvia members can be the test bed for the products and if they are well accepted, perhaps then getting distrobution through the site may be something West would be intrested in.

If we can make something good and loved, I will make certain west is taken care of and all involved parties.

All this stuff takes some time...but getting a want list together is a start.

Their is unlimited capability at the shop actually. It just cost a hell of a lot for the first ones..and that I will gladly donate to see where it can go.

[TheSparo]

Bill isnt that thing u made for sale on like projectsilvia.com? or is that something else, or a different concept, wut u just described is exactly what i would love, less jolt and all.. please get back to me about that idea i would buy one from you quickly!! o yea check YOUR PM'S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lol
-Jeff

[OldSklS13]

Originally posted by Bill Roberts
Besides cupholders, what would you want?


whoops...sorry didnt see that one:hammer:

[goodjuan]

Wheels!!! We need more quality knockoff wheels. Honda guys can get really nice spoon/mugen/whatever copies that may not be the cream of the crop, but certainly get the job done.

I'd totally sport nismo copies if they were available for 3-400 a set! (rota slipstreams come to mind for comparison)

[deviousKA]

anodized aluminum would be the best:D ive also been thinking of making pillowball t/c rods with the stock t/c as a core. i will make up a couple for my cars. all that needs to be done is removal of bushing housing and then turning some threads onto the shaft. heim joints (usa name for pillowballs) are available with bolt and nut ends so there are a few possibilities

[mbmbmb23]

Im tellin you....5 lug conversion hubs for the S13 and ARC knockoff aluminum airboxes both would sell bigtime.





-m

[Bill Roberts]

Hey Sparo! No I never offered one..but their are after market ones and reviews. I wanted some BEEF and needed the shock tower tops left alone.so I came up with this today (well saturday) and did it and like it tons. And I got 60 invested..and with the right mount "look" it will be nice looking too.

Different, functional

[s14slide]

What about a brace that connects the rear seatbelt mounting points together. And on the s14 and s13coupe, have a couple of bars going from that bar (since it would be pretty long) connect to the rear deck. I know I've seen it mentioned somewhere on here before, but that would be a hot little stress bar.

[TheSparo]

im sure all you need to do is just fab up a piece of steel... which sounds easy haha, but would you say its better than the one on project silvia? if so then you can count me in on one, i assume not mounting it on the strut tower makes it more sturdy?
-Jeff

[Bill Roberts]

Where I mounted it on the side is some thick stuff there. I had to lube the drill for over a min (dull drill bit I am sure) to get through there.

One problem though...if you go driver side with your power steering fluid container, you need to take that into consideration.

I really like it..makes the car so much nicer. makes me want to drive it more. A true gas shock VS a rubber bumper absorbs so much of the jolt and takes most of the twisting off of the other mounts. I was amazed at when you are doing 30 in second and ease into it..how the front suspention raises up and the rear squats down now = traction and stability.

I want this thing to be a DIY project for those who need to source the parts, PM me. That shock is a little bit of a pain to compress as it is designed for the full weight of a corner of a car. That is why it works. It puts tension on the engine.

I may end up using a bracket and the top bolts of the shock tower...if so, I will need to cut a plate and cover the holes I bored. Whatever I do..I want it to be just like it is now on driveablity. Start-ups no longer shake the gearshift. Just solid and tight. Certainly feels like a whole different level of expensive car now.

Funny how something like this can make that much of a difference.

[ca18guy]

Originally posted by James
Hey, isn't what you're describing called...oh, I don't know...a HOOD !!!
I use one of those "stock hoods" - they close down really tight in that very spot- it increases airflow to the radiator and makes it look better.


Short list of parts:
Lexan windows:D
Some form of variable valve timing:D
+ 6 1/2 speaker housings all around.:bowdown:

Your a quick one Mr. James :coolugh:

Actualy the part I'm describing is better then a hood cause it would have no air blowing by due to the curvature of the hood, but hey, who am I to actually contribute ideas.

[sykikchimp]

I really like the idea of the cooling panel too..

http://charles.sykikchimp.org/images/coolingpanel.jpg

[fridexter]

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[Fastback180]

^^^^^Ahhh I guess they make it too!
Haha...james was getting mad!
Here's ARC's deal. Doesn't look as quality as GD's...
http://www.raretrick.com/store/images/products/6517_detail.jpg

[S13S14S15]

who sells those radiator covers in the US? and do you guys know how much they are?

[West]

Originally posted by S13S14S15
who sells those radiator covers in the US? and do you guys know how much they are?

http://www.raretrick.com

[mbmbmb23]

ARC = $159
Garage Defend = $250

[Steeles]

ARC is also Titanium.. and from the looks dosent cover as much as the Garage Defend. which is CF and stretches over the headlighs just about from fender to fender. (search FA for TYs pics of his installed)

[Jsquared]

SEAT RAILS! (for S13)

[Maeda]

Bill you should post a seperate write up thingy for that homemade engine brace thing....

if your too lazy or dont have the time ill do it if you can explain it to me!