transitional oversteer?

[eyedefineJDM]

I have a 95 S14 with Megan Track coilovers. I've had the car now for about 3 days and luckily its rained all three. I've been going out to big parking lots and practicing, and last night i hit a curb. the turn is almost a ninety degree angle but it has alot of room to slide around. I initiated in 2nd gear, clutch in, E brake, and feathered the gas twice. i got really good angle on it, but im starting to find out that as soon as i come out of a drift, my car yanks to the other side extremely hard. In my case, I came out of the slide, the car yanked to the right and shot me towards a curb and before i realized it, i was in a patch of tiny rocks, and popped up on the curb. At the time it was dry outside, but even when its wet out, my car has way to much transitional oversteer and is hard to control coming out of any slide. My rear dampers were adjusted all the way soft, and likewise in the front. Do you guys have any suggestions as to what i can do to fix this oversteer? BTW i have an open diff :( i know its better to have either a viscous, J30, or a welded one but i still think that its something to do with my suspension. I've got 32 ways of damper adjustability, and i'm eager to learn how to use them.

[chiboy002]

I have a 95 S14 with Megan Track coilovers. I've had the car now for about 3 days and luckily its rained all three. I've been going out to big parking lots and practicing, and last night i hit a curb. the turn is almost a ninety degree angle but it has alot of room to slide around. I initiated in 2nd gear, clutch in, E brake, and feathered the gas twice. i got really good angle on it, but im starting to find out that as soon as i come out of a drift, my car yanks to the other side extremely hard. In my case, I came out of the slide, the car yanked to the right and shot me towards a curb and before i realized it, i was in a patch of tiny rocks, and popped up on the curb. At the time it was dry outside, but even when its wet out, my car has way to much transitional oversteer and is hard to control coming out of any slide. My rear dampers were adjusted all the way soft, and likewise in the front. Do you guys have any suggestions as to what i can do to fix this oversteer? BTW i have an open diff :( i know its better to have either a viscous, J30, or a welded one but i still think that its something to do with my suspension. I've got 32 ways of damper adjustability, and i'm eager to learn how to use them.
what they told me in my thread, let go of the steering wheel when you're coming out of a drift. Let off the gas completely. Thats what i was told

[94cc0rd]

The best advice would be to go to a local track event such as a Drift Day, Just Drift or Rad Experience and ask for an instructors help. This way, you stay safe, you don't break any laws/rules, you avoid curbs, and you learn 10x faster!

[5pecialist]

Unless I read your post wrong, it sounds like you need an LSD. Otherwise that snap back will always occur. Sure letting off the gas as suggested above will help somewhat, but you are really limiting yourself.

[chiboy002]

Unless I read your post wrong, it sounds like you need an LSD. Otherwise that snap back will always occur. Sure letting off the gas as suggested above will help somewhat, but you are really limiting yourself.
yes. at least weld your diff
The best advice would be to go to a local track event such as a Drift Day, Just Drift or Rad Experience and ask for an instructors help. This way, you stay safe, you don't break any laws/rules, you avoid curbs, and you learn 10x faster!
yes but, he lives in alabama not california. California is different really cause you guys have track days so often and for so cheap. At least in chicago, we have trackdays almost once a month, only for the summer, and its like 100$ to drive for a few hours only.

[94cc0rd]

Opps, I read Alhambra, which is a city in Socal...

[Def]

You've got to be gradual with everything. It's not just "ok the drift is over, I want to go straight" and snap off the throttle. You want to gradually ease off the throttle, and look where you want to go and gradually reduce your drift angle and transition to straight. I have a strong suspicion you were looking right at the curb you hit, and "target fixated" on it and drove right to it. It's the most common thing that happens when noobs wreck at the track. They look at the thing they don't want to hit and steer right into it.

[zorak]

let off the gas all the way or be more smooth on the pedal.

start to turn in the direction you want to go a little bit early before the transition.

[badunkamunk]

DIFF ! had the same experience but hadnt crashed with the open, what ive noticed about open diff is thats exactly what it does. SNAP BACK randomly on you. IF you are planning to continue drifting then get a diff, that is a must. plus hit up a local track way safer and much better arena to practice.

have fun drifting =D

[soreballz]

I've got 32 ways of damper adjustability, and i'm eager to learn how to use them.
Hahahahahaha
Thanks for the new siggy.

As others have said, you need a diff that isn't open. It's not a suspension problem.

[thefro526]

Go get a real differential. (Welded, Shimmed Viscous, 2-Way, Etc)

Open differentials are notorious for getting traction when you don't want them to. I've experienced similar things in my DD which has an open diff. When I would come out of a slide and bring the car back across I would shift over to the wheel that's not spinning which would cause the car to drive in the direction that the wheel's pointing.

Also, try and find an event to go drive. Cones are a lot more forgiving than curbs.

[CrazyRob]

Hahahahahaha
Thanks for the new siggy.

As others have said, you need a diff that isn't open. It's not a suspension problem.
hahahaha, good sig bro. seriously you guys are all noobs. take it to a track. /thread... i expect fckillerbee and eric castro to join in on this dumb shit shortly.
if you cant drift and open diff you shouldnt be drifting period. if you dont have the car control to at least drift an open diff in a parking lot in the rain, then you are wasting your time and your money and other peoples safety and peace of mind by doing it illegally. ive drifted automatic open diff single cam many times with no problems and i know others on the 626 drift staff who have done the same. its not a miracle or anything, its just simple car control. /thread. typing wont make you a better driver.

[ericcastro]

Unless I read your post wrong, it sounds like you need an LSD. Otherwise that snap back will always occur. Sure letting off the gas as suggested above will help somewhat, but you are really limiting yourself.

DIFF ! had the same experience but hadnt crashed with the open, what ive noticed about open diff is thats exactly what it does. SNAP BACK randomly on you. IF you are planning to continue drifting then get a diff, that is a must. plus hit up a local track way safer and much better arena to practice.

have fun drifting =D

Hahahahahaha
Thanks for the new siggy.

As others have said, you need a diff that isn't open. It's not a suspension problem.

Its the diff.

You are obviously gonna drift no matter what.
And not wait to save for a 2 way or something.
So just weld it.
I have been running the same welded for 4 years now and love it.

[racepar1]

It's the most common thing that happens when noobs wreck at the track. They look at the thing they don't want to hit and steer right into it.

:werd:

This is day one shit here people. You ALWAYS look where you WANT to go, NEVER where you DON'T want to go. I have personally had to break this particular bad habit. It's an expensive bad habit...

[MrChow]

:werd:

This is day one shit here people. You ALWAYS look where you WANT to go, NEVER where you DON'T want to go. I have personally had to break this particular bad habit. It's an expensive bad habit...
There's a word for this... I can't remember what it's called. It's a Really bad habit to have. Dumb human minds.. lol
But for grip wise I'm having a problem getting to the next step look ahead the whole time. Has in the next turn/exit of the and setup the line for it.

[Silverbullet]

There's a word for this... I can't remember what it's called. It's a Really bad habit to have. Dumb human minds.. lol

"target fixated"
:rimshot: :w00t:

[eyedefineJDM]

hahahaha, good sig bro. seriously you guys are all noobs. take it to a track. /thread... i expect fckillerbee and eric castro to join in on this dumb shit shortly.
if you cant drift and open diff you shouldnt be drifting period. if you dont have the car control to at least drift an open diff in a parking lot in the rain, then you are wasting your time and your money and other peoples safety and peace of mind by doing it illegally. ive drifted automatic open diff single cam many times with no problems and i know others on the 626 drift staff who have done the same. its not a miracle or anything, its just simple car control. /thread. typing wont make you a better driver.

ha. another shit excuse for a human being. you remind me of one of those one up fuckers on xbox live. if a kid says he initiated a slide at 50 mph, you did it at 55. your the guy that talks shit in lobbies just because you have nothing else better to do. I think your a mustang GT guy. your better than everyone else and you believe that your advice is the best advice out there. do us all a favor and sell whatever nissan you have, buy a mustang and start living your life by GT specs. theres your fuckin siggy.

[eyedefineJDM]

thanks guys. i got sideways again last night and i am positive its the diff. i do have another question. we recently took a welded diff out of an S13 and put it in the s14 im driving now (this was before i bought the car), and when we went to drive it, it pulled extremely hard to the right during acceleration, and hard to the left under decel. the cars alignment is fine, BUT, it does have a bad wheel bearing on the rear passenger side. i know that theres a really simple logical explanation for this, but im just not the one thinking logically at the moment. so its an s14, non se, with a welded diff that came out of a s13 (which probably doesnt even matter), bad wheel bearing, and i think thats all the factors in this equation. it was really hard to get it sideways when its dry outside. we didnt get the chance to try it in the rain. any ideas?

[CrazyRob]

ha. another shit excuse for a human being. you remind me of one of those one up fuckers on xbox live. if a kid says he initiated a slide at 50 mph, you did it at 55. your the guy that talks shit in lobbies just because you have nothing else better to do. I think your a mustang GT guy. your better than everyone else and you believe that your advice is the best advice out there. do us all a favor and sell whatever nissan you have, buy a mustang and start living your life by GT specs. theres your fuckin siggy.

you remind me of one of those people on forums too chicken shit to go to the track and take an instructors advice, so instead you choose to start a dumb thread because you havnt tried hard enough to figure it out for yourself in an environment that promotes learning and growth. try taking constructive criticism. with all due respect go fuck yourself. i am a drifting instructor with 626 drift crew and i dont lie or try to one-up because i know i dont need to. im a fucking boss. ive never owned a mustang gt. i have owned you tho. my name is Robert Airth. grow up. /thread

[SWAT Team S14]

it was really hard to get it sideways when its dry outside. we didnt get the chance to try it in the rain. any ideas?

Wow....just wow.

with all due respect go fuck yourself.

No respect needed for this asshat. He's hopeless.

[racepar1]

ha. another shit excuse for a human being. you remind me of one of those one up fuckers on xbox live. if a kid says he initiated a slide at 50 mph, you did it at 55. your the guy that talks shit in lobbies just because you have nothing else better to do. I think your a mustang GT guy. your better than everyone else and you believe that your advice is the best advice out there. do us all a favor and sell whatever nissan you have, buy a mustang and start living your life by GT specs. theres your fuckin siggy.

Pretty tough words from a guy whose screen name translates to "I define JDM"...

You and people like you are the reason why I'm thinking of selling my 240 and buying an E36. Fucking bandwaggoning kids, YOU should probably get a mustang...

[s-cargo]

get a e36 so your handle can be i define EDM.. talk about bandwagon and then get a bmw hahahah

[racepar1]

get a e36 so your handle can be i define EDM.. talk about bandwagon and then get a bmw hahahah

If I don't give a fuck about "JDM" why in the world would I care about "EDM"? Actually I am a member of multiple forums already, one of which is bimmerforums as I already own an e30. My "handle" on all of them is the same as it is here, always will be. You should get more of an idea who you're dealing with before you talk some dumb shit. I don't know of any bmw bandwaggon, I wonder why you do?

[fcken_engus]

these threads alway get so interesting, always make my day at work go by faster, lol

[s13jeremy]

The best advice would be to go to a local track event such as a Drift Day, Just Drift or Rad Experience and ask for an instructors help. This way, you stay safe, you don't break any laws/rules, you avoid curbs, and you learn 10x faster!


yeah man hes got a point ive been street drifting for like 6 months and it gets boring and sketchy, at the track you dont worry about that and you can go more than one time and dip go to the track!!!

[chiboy002]

thanks guys. i got sideways again last night and i am positive its the diff. i do have another question. we recently took a welded diff out of an S13 and put it in the s14 im driving now (this was before i bought the car), and when we went to drive it, it pulled extremely hard to the right during acceleration, and hard to the left under decel. the cars alignment is fine, BUT, it does have a bad wheel bearing on the rear passenger side. i know that theres a really simple logical explanation for this, but im just not the one thinking logically at the moment. so its an s14, non se, with a welded diff that came out of a s13 (which probably doesnt even matter), bad wheel bearing, and i think thats all the factors in this equation. it was really hard to get it sideways when its dry outside. we didnt get the chance to try it in the rain. any ideas?
gtfo and go fuck your sister. seriously, you fucking make an account and make a thread just to talk shit? You fucking ask US to help YOU not fuck up? You treat a guy who tries to help you with disrespect? who the fuck do you think you are? jesus christ there hasnt been a bigger bitch in this entire forum since my short membership than you, sir. disregard all my help and i hope you hit another curb, fuck up your rims and fuck the shit out of your front end. stop hardparking you poser, stop trying to show off to your friends you pansie. go get a helmet, get off your lazy ass and get a job, then pay for a track day.
GTFO you are not welcome here.

you remind me of one of those people on forums too chicken shit to go to the track and take an instructors advice, so instead you choose to start a dumb thread because you havnt tried hard enough to figure it out for yourself in an environment that promotes learning and growth. try taking constructive criticism. with all due respect go fuck yourself. i am a drifting instructor with 626 drift crew and i dont lie or try to one-up because i know i dont need to. im a fucking boss. ive never owned a mustang gt. i have owned you tho. my name is Robert Airth. grow up. /thread
i love you. no honda motorsports

[mmdb]

The term you're describing is called "snap oversteer". To me, it sounds like your dampers are under damepened because as your loaded outside rear decompresses, the rate at which it decompresses is too fast. Try increasing the rebound force.

Or, maybe you're not "catching" the car quick enough or countersteering fast enough so by the time you do, the rear tires have gripped and now you're sending yourself in the other direction; or in your case into a curb.

Best advice is to spend more time practicing.

[eyedefineJDM]

how does a shimmed viscous work?

[brokeAs240sx]

how does a shimmed viscous work?

Shims are added to make the vlsd engage quicker than normal. You can search on here or google - there are even write-ups on how to do it & where to buy parts, etc.

At the very least, I hope you picked up on the general consensus in this thread that:

1) Regardless of what your car's issues are, the weakest link when you are starting is your driving skill. That is why most guys suggested a track - less things to hit, instructors who can help you improve much quicker, etc. There may not be as many drift events in AL compared to CA, but I'm sure there still are drift events, car control clinics, etc.

2) Getting a diff will help. Probably increasing your damping adjustment will help a little (most manufacturers don't even suggest you run at the full softest level on coilovers). Practice will help the most. And having someone who has done this longer than you help you will help even more, whether your doing this at an organized event or not.

3) You went into the "Motorsports and Skilled Driving" forum talking about drifting into a curb in a parking lot illegally & blaming the car instead of the driver... how did you think most ppl would react?

I don't know of any bmw bandwaggon, I wonder why you do?

There may not be a bandwagon, but there's definitely a bmw douchebag stereotype, you'll fit right in! :keke: I kid, I kid (about the latter, of course).

[fckillerbee]

damn....how did I miss this one.

see...what you are missing is the 80mph clutchkick onto a 45 mph onramp, stay in third gear, and pin it till you hit the wall. Does much cooler damange than fucking bending a rim.....












let me know when you want some real advice. Just make sure you bring your attention and your grown up attitude.

oh, i almost forgot. We are right, you are wrong...that's why you are asking for advice.

Even I ask for driving advice......and even though i've tought a lot of drivers, I still shut my mouth and listen to the wisdom of a more experienced driver...even if it's how much I suck........which for the record....i don't.


so remember....be humble....you could just be talking shit to someone that in the near future...you might need more than just advice..





man....that was kinda mean. i hope your old enough to take it.

go get a welded.


if the only advice you get out of this is "get a welded" you should read it a few times. There are a few life lessons there.

if zilvia is not nice...maybe you should hit up ziptied.com ....i heard they are welcoming.

[DenkiMan!]

this thread was actually rly helpful lol...ive been having the same problem with my 95 s14. that annoying kickback. the only suspension upgrades i have are kyb adjustable struts...came with car. i knew i needed a lsd tho, its good to understand why

but im looking to get a tomei 2 way soon!

[kuelee]

This is correct. Ive tryed it before without lsd, and it snaps u back or like what your saying, oversteering. If u get a j30. i can almost guarantee it wont do that anymore.

Unless I read your post wrong, it sounds like you need an LSD. Otherwise that snap back will always occur. Sure letting off the gas as suggested above will help somewhat, but you are really limiting yourself.

[Jonnie Fraz]

Like tons of others have told you it is the diff. Welded to start, have someone who knows what they are doing weld your diff please! When you can afford it look at getting a two way. You can learn allot with just a welded dif. Look at going to a local sponsored track/ skid pad event. You will learn more that day than you will all year in a parking lot. Use your money to upgrade suspension buy track time and buy tires. Always suspension before power!
Now for my little service announcement...Several guys with way more experience than you have tried to help, and you have spit in their face. I have run across a couple of kids like you...one has destroyed seven perfectly good 240's because he will not listen. He has been very lucky that he has not hurt or killed anyone. Do you see where I am going?
Good luck with your quest, and I hope to see you at the track someday.

[jdhariwal]

LOL, this thread took a turn for the worse pretty quick.

[GoNissanGo]

Damn guys he's a noob and just got hurt feelings. We dont have to be that mean ;-) That said... shut up and take their advice... ie listen to that guy thats an instructor! Can you really argue with someone thats knows that much...
maybe your name should be "little curb hopper" Damn I got mean too. Pherhaps this guy understands now.. Dont screw with people trying to help...

Take it as a lesson don't get jaded just be more open to advice.

[javedjee77]

On some of the forums I've been on I've seen this or something similar, it turns into a mess and becomes a vendor war that always ends up ugly.

[Peter89#2]

weld it. should cost less then $50.

[dsastr_clan]

try a different setting on ur coilovers, i had megan tracks too not bad for a beginner i will suggest you to go full hard on the rear and full soft on the fronts and change the front camber to negative.

[fckillerbee]

^^^clearly cause both of your cars are exactly the same.

[dsastr_clan]

^^^clearly cause both of your cars are exactly the same.

my :2c: he can experiment with that see if it works.

[fckillerbee]

my :2c: he can experiment with that see if it works.

i understand your input...but from my experience....

the driver, the car, and the parts, make every scenario different. everyone in here can make recommendations....he is the only one that will know what works....

the best bet....is taking it to an event where a instructor can properly evaluate what you have, and what you need.

any other info isn't necessary until he does so...and any other questions are unecessary until so. ;D

[angelus erratus]

join roadster drift, they have a porn thread, i can call my friends Caucasian, Mongoloids, Negroids and not get banned, and the assholes are much better at being assholes.

[angelus erratus]

if you want gangster ass over steer, get rid of your front sway bar, get matched spring rates...

[fckillerbee]

removing the front sway bar and getting the same set of springs all the way around would be as if keeping the car the same...sway bar prevents roll, and matching springs prevent roll, so you are throwing one away to pick up the other...any video of this tested out? i'd like to see why you recommended this.

[angelus erratus]

removing the front sway bar and getting the same set of springs all the way around would be as if keeping the car the same...sway bar prevents roll, and matching springs prevent roll, so you are throwing one away to pick up the other...any video of this tested out? i'd like to see why you recommended this.


what would happen if an inexperienced driver got matched spring rates, and a thick rear sway bar? i am just curious, cuz i don't know shit home boiii, i was raised by a pack a wolves, and all i know how to do is skeet skeet.

[fckillerbee]

what would happen if an inexperienced driver got matched spring rates, and a thick rear sway bar? i am just curious, cuz i don't know shit home boiii, i was raised by a pack a wolves, and all i know how to do is skeet skeet.

rear sway bars induce oversteer....that's what would happen. lmao....haha skeeter
http://mapsoftheproblematic.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/skeeter1.jpg

[angelus erratus]

rear sway bars induce oversteer....that's what would happen. lmao....haha skeeter
http://mapsoftheproblematic.files.wordpress.com/2010/05/skeeter1.jpg


hahaha, wtf, making me feel old because i actually remember watching this as a kid :(.