CA BAR ref station

[Schassis707]

I was wondering what they are gonna search for as far as everything with the swap. Long story short I went to get my car smogged, they said I have to bar the swap. I have a 1990 240 that was originally a sohc auto, and swapped a dohc 5 speed from a 92, it's a legal swap bc newer motor from same featured car "240sx." My question is, what will they look for other than, vin, intake, cat?

[handinpants]

its not gonna pass... cause the rules are: the engine must be from the same year make and model of the car.

[drift freaq]

its not gonna pass... cause the rules are: the engine must be from the same year make and model of the car.

excuse me but please stop passing out incorrect information. The rule is specifically any year the same or newer sold in a production car in the United states in the drive configuration of that car. In other words same year or newer engine that is rwd and was sold in the U.S. period.

It does not have to be from the same make or model. It does have to comply with all smog regulations for the particular year of the engine that is being installed.

Oh and to the OP I have swapped dual cam KA's into single cam cars and never had the smog tech bat an eye at it because they know that the dual cam KA came in later years of our cars.

All they will do is look for the proper dual cam smog equipment. If it is all there and you pass tail pipe and evap you are good to go.

If the smog tech is telling you need to ref the car he is an asshole. Find another smog station to go to.

Oh and this really should be in regional as this is a California specific question.

[Schassis707]

Thanks I just wanted to clarify, also I was wondering if I had to use all of the stock intake as far as the extra pieces that go in the bumper.

[driftnuts]

hey where is the ref station out here in so cal?

[haro_ryder90]

your car will be fine as long as it passes smog and has all the visual stock parts such as ex.manifold and all the egr crap=] good luck!

[Schassis707]

hey where is the ref station out here in so cal?

I'm up by sf and Sacramento, but I have friends with swapped hondas and it seems if u go to a community college that offers ref, they r really leniant for engines

and thanks, soo not to try and change subjects but check my fs thread! I need to smog my car asap lol

[Tomkun-s13]

Replacement Parts Guidelines - Aftermarket, Performance and Add-On Parts Regulations (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm)

Hope this will help with some of your questions you have about engine swaps, and if you have any other questions just call them and they are happy to help as well.

[joeapple8]

Must have all smog equipment that came with the new motor, and same transmission lets say you get a Q45 motor with a 300zx trans you wont pass you need the same transmission it came with

[mrizsuki]

where are you located in SoCal. try going to East Los Angeles College to see if they still have their ref station opened. or even go to Rio Hondo College. they have nice refs there.

[Dee]

excuse me but please stop passing out incorrect information. The rule is specifically any year the same or newer sold in a production car in the United states in the drive configuration of that car. In other words same year or newer engine that is rwd and was sold in the U.S. period.

It does not have to be from the same make or model. It does have to comply with all smog regulations for the particular year of the engine that is being installed.

Oh and to the OP I have swapped dual cam KA's into single cam cars and never had the smog tech bat an eye at it because they know that the dual cam KA came in later years of our cars.

All they will do is look for the proper dual cam smog equipment. If it is all there and you pass tail pipe and evap you are good to go.

If the smog tech is telling you need to ref the car he is an asshole. Find another smog station to go to.

Oh and this really should be in regional as this is a California specific question.



Thanks for posting the correct information.

[DALAZ_68]

its not gonna pass... cause the rules are: the engine must be from the same year make and model of the car.

little you know...

excuse me but please stop passing out incorrect information. The rule is specifically any year the same or newer sold in a production car in the United states in the drive configuration of that car. In other words same year or newer engine that is rwd and was sold in the U.S. period.

It does not have to be from the same make or model. It does have to comply with all smog regulations for the particular year of the engine that is being installed.

Oh and to the OP I have swapped dual cam KA's into single cam cars and never had the smog tech bat an eye at it because they know that the dual cam KA came in later years of our cars.

All they will do is look for the proper dual cam smog equipment. If it is all there and you pass tail pipe and evap you are good to go.

If the smog tech is telling you need to ref the car he is an asshole. Find another smog station to go to.

Oh and this really should be in regional as this is a California specific question.

i bolded the only parts OP needs to read...

Thanks I just wanted to clarify, also I was wondering if I had to use all of the stock intake as far as the extra pieces that go in the bumper.

your car will be fine as long as it passes smog and has all the visual stock parts such as ex.manifold and all the egr crap=] good luck!

pretty much just installall the visual smog equipment and have a good cat...dont have visual plugged vac lines that a tech can point out...make sure the motor itself is healthy and ull be fine...

[shinobis13hb]

Must have all smog equipment that came with the new motor, and same transmission lets say you get a Q45 motor with a 300zx trans you wont pass you need the same transmission it came with
i worked at a smog shop for some time...
dave was right.. its common sence aswell..
as long as you have the correct smog equipment, AND passes all the proper test for the year of the vehicle... all my buddys that swapped dohc-sohc chassis came to my work and they passed no problem.
and the trans dealio........ trans has nothing to do with smog you dont look at a trans for visual inspection.

[DALAZ_68]

i worked at a smog shop for some time...
dave was right.. its common sence aswell..
as long as you have the correct smog equipment, AND passes all the proper test for the year of the vehicle... all my buddys that swapped dohc-sohc chassis came to my work and they passed no problem.
and the trans dealio........ trans has nothing to do with smog you dont look at a trans for visual inspection.


THE ONLY, trans issue i can think of, with these fucking cars... is the sensor on the s14 that the s13 trans dont have...that cause a CEL...

I.E. s13 MT trans into s14 auto to MT swap= CEL , due to lack of sensor...

[VertTwins]

If your engine is out of a 96 or newer s14 and they determine that at ref you will need all obd2 equipment. This would also mean the cat would have to be from the 96 and newer or be a CARB approved replacement with an E.O.# stamped on it. The 96 and newer has a different EVAP system and moniters cat effeciency whihc translates into harness and ecm from 96 or newer.

[shinobis13hb]

THE ONLY, trans issue i can think of, with these fucking cars... is the sensor on the s14 that the s13 trans dont have...that cause a CEL...

I.E. s13 MT trans into s14 auto to MT swap= CEL , due to lack of sensor...

corrext. but as we all know if you have a Cel you will not even go on the dyno. I'm sure all wanders were giving to all questions.

[Z32TT-R]

excuse me but please stop passing out incorrect information. The rule is specifically any year the same or newer sold in a production car in the United states in the drive configuration of that car. In other words same year or newer engine that is rwd and was sold in the U.S. period.

It does not have to be from the same make or model. It does have to comply with all smog regulations for the particular year of the engine that is being installed.

Oh and to the OP I have swapped dual cam KA's into single cam cars and never had the smog tech bat an eye at it because they know that the dual cam KA came in later years of our cars.

All they will do is look for the proper dual cam smog equipment. If it is all there and you pass tail pipe and evap you are good to go.

If the smog tech is telling you need to ref the car he is an asshole. Find another smog station to go to.


+1, I can swap a 2jzgte in my Z, as long as its got all smog equipment on it+usdm 2jz ecu and is same year or newer (obd1 obviously prefered) It will pass, they then sticker it with a smog vin as a Supra TT.

[joeapple8]

i worked at a smog shop for some time...
dave was right.. its common sence aswell..
as long as you have the correct smog equipment, AND passes all the proper test for the year of the vehicle... all my buddys that swapped dohc-sohc chassis came to my work and they passed no problem.
and the trans dealio........ trans has nothing to do with smog you dont look at a trans for visual inspection.


Im talking about getting your car BARD you would need the transmission to be from the same motor.

[Z32TT-R]

Im talking about getting your car BARD you would need the transmission to be from the same motor.

Well yea..if you want it to fit right usually.. otherwise to bar any car if you have a different kind of tranny on it and are not throwing a cel you dont have nothing to worry about. So you can run a diff tranny on the motor, it has nothing to do with Bar'ing it. You can run a b16 transmission on a GSR block and still pass, I dont know where your getting your mis-information from.

[VertTwins]

Well yea..if you want it to fit right usually.. otherwise to bar any car if you have a different kind of tranny on it and are not throwing a cel you dont have nothing to worry about. So you can run a diff tranny on the motor, it has nothing to do with Bar'ing it. You can run a b16 transmission on a GSR block and still pass, I dont know where your getting your mis-information from.

Actually this is incorrect info.

A quote from the CARB website Replacement Parts Guidelines - Aftermarket, Performance and Add-On Parts Regulations (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm)

Transmission or TransaxleTransmissions and transaxles changes alone are not legal. Transmissions and transaxles can only be changed along with their matching engine. The total engine transmission package must conform to the engine change requirements above.

[Z32TT-R]

Actually this is incorrect info.

A quote from the CARB website Replacement Parts Guidelines - Aftermarket, Performance and Add-On Parts Regulations (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm)

Transmission or TransaxleTransmissions and transaxles changes alone are not legal. Transmissions and transaxles can only be changed along with their matching engine. The total engine transmission package must conform to the engine change requirements above.

Ill tell you something right now they dont check that crap at Bar n Ref, i been there plenty of times, and plus even if they did check it they wouldnt even know what tranny it is unless it had a vin on the tranny stating the car it came out of and what engine it had. They mainly focus on the motors emissions and if everything is hooked up correctly with the engine, i have yet to see them bother looking at the tranny.

[VertTwins]

You know I didnt say they would do their job correctly, I was mearly qouting the law so as to have accurate legal info posted. I agree they do slip up on alot of inspection procedures at this time.

However the BAR is in the process of completely revamping the technician licensing process. In the very near future you will have 2 different licenses for the smog program as opposed to the one we have now. You will have one for inspecting cars with a whole set of training classes just to inspect cars. Then you will have one license for doing repairs to cars with its equal weight of training courses. Both will have a required AA/AS degree or equivalent intense training. They are doing this due to how bad the entire program is failing in california. It, the inspection and repair program, has largely been a failure since its inception in 1984. The only reason the pollution in this state has had any sign of improvement is due to older cars being replaced with newer more effecient cars.

What I am saying here is they are trying to correct this failure in the inspection process by both the BAR's REF stations and independent smog stations. It is going to become more difficult to do any mods on your car in the next couple years.

I spent a better part of an hour yesterday doing research on the net to verify the legality of a cold air intake set up on a 2003 honda si. Since it was a AEM cold air intake I knew it probably had a EO#. So I did a search on AEM's website for all the available part#'s for AEM cold air intakes on an 03 Si. I found 3. I then went through instruction manuals with images and part lists to determine which one it had. Once I determined that I went to the CARB website and found the appropriate EO#. I found there was a slight alteration to the set up and corrected it. I was then able to perform a legal smog check on the car. I did this so the consumer would not have to needlessly go though the hassle of the ref process.

[soreballz]

Thanks I just wanted to clarify, also I was wondering if I had to use all of the stock intake as far as the extra pieces that go in the bumper.
If you want that lovely little CARB approval plate from the ref, then it might be best to put those pieces on. You may be able to pass the inspection without them, but generally speaking, the refs don't like seeing janky shit. They want that engine bay to look like it came that way from the factory. So, no random/cut wires, no random parts ziptied on, etc. That stuff may not necessarily prevent you from passing, but cleanliness does help the process go a bit quicker.

its not gonna pass... cause the rules are: the engine must be from the same year make and model of the car.
Once again, handinpants shows us what a complete moron he is.
Thanks for the laugh, dummy.

truth
Droppin' knowledge.

hey where is the ref station out here in so cal?
THE ref station? There's a bunch of them. Don't be a lazy fuck; look that shit up.

Actually this is incorrect info.

A quote from the CARB website Replacement Parts Guidelines - Aftermarket, Performance and Add-On Parts Regulations (http://www.arb.ca.gov/msprog/aftermkt/replace.htm)

Transmission or TransaxleTransmissions and transaxles changes alone are not legal. Transmissions and transaxles can only be changed along with their matching engine. The total engine transmission package must conform to the engine change requirements above.
Interesting. I hadn't heard of this rule. It really shouldn't be a big deal though, provided that you don't throw any CEL's from the change. I suppose it could be an issue for people doing VH swaps... All the more reason to go for the LSx/T56. ;)



There should be a stickied thread on BAR ref info. Granted, a search will turn up just about anything you need answers to, but I'd be nice to have it all in one spot at the top of the page.

[driftnuts]

where are you located in SoCal. try going to East Los Angeles College to see if they still have their ref station opened. or even go to Rio Hondo College. they have nice refs there.


near temecula area

[s13 @ fullboost]

there is a reff station at Perice college also one at Oxnard college and another one in Santa Barbra

[driftnuts]

ok kewl i guess now i know. Ive been away from my computer for a while. darn work