Cheaper conversion harness

[bb4_96]

As i work on my current project of perfecting the sleeving of my sr harness I realize how easy it would be to produce/sell SR conversion harnesses from scratch. I realize ws already offers a conversion service and some new off the shelf conversion harnesses but they're sold out. So my question is this. If a harness priced at 250 - 300 were of good quality and was warrantied against defects would there be a market for it?

[jeffwiggins]

i believe so thats the main reason a lot of people dont do their own swaps they have everything else but wiring sucks to do

[bb4_96]

i believe so thats the main reason a lot of people dont do their own swaps they have everything else but wiring sucks to do

:werd: exactly

[Prok0]

Enjuku already has you covered...

S13 SR into S13 chassis
Wiring Specialties S13 SR20DET into S13 240sx Harness Combo (Upp [ S13S13_Wiring ] - Enjuku Racing - Performance Parts and High Quality Fabrication (http://www.enjukuracing.com/wiring-specialties-sr20det-into-240sx-harness-combo-p-10321.html)

350$

S13 SR into S14 chassis
Wiring Specialties S13 SR20DET into S14 240sx Engine Swap Harnes [ WSP-S13S14-MAIN ] - Enjuku Racing - Performance Parts and High Quality Fabrication (http://www.enjukuracing.com/wiring-specialties-sr20det-into-240sx-engine-swap-harnes-p-10183.html)

320$

Cant beat that, new harness, already converted.

There really isnt that much of a market for it... People will have their friends do it, or they will buy a premade like that...

For the money that you would have in quality wire/sheething/connectors, and then your time, you wouldnt make that much $$

[sickrbs14]

id say theres a market for it
if you do it cheaper and make the harness clean and tucked id buy if it was show worthy

[t.vo408]

It would be tough to get all the connectors, you would definitely have to go china or taiwan and buy in bulk.

[bb4_96]

They are making a killing at $320.

[bmhossain]

I think at 250-300 you would definately be able to get some business and be able to make a little for yourself too. I'd for sure pay that for a NICE premade harness just to not have to deal with it

[240sx123$]

My next purchase towards my SR swap will be the harness. I'm paying $375 for an S13 SR redtop harness into an S14 chassis from Wiring Specialties with A/C and ABS included.

If you can beat that price by enough to make it worth my while, and can promise the quality will be equivalent to Wiring Specialties, I'll place an order this week.

[bb4_96]

My next purchase towards my SR swap will be the harness. I'm paying $375 for an S13 SR redtop harness into an S14 chassis from Wiring Specialties with A/C and ABS included.

If you can beat that price by enough to make it worth my while, and can promise the quality will be equivalent to Wiring Specialties, I'll place an order this week.

So I guess there is a market after all. I'll probably do primarily S13 SR => S13 harnesses just because it will be easier to test fit seeing as i have one. I might expand if it all pans out. All i know about ws is that they dominate the market and have cornered some tecniques I'm still grappling with. Until i figure out who sells the connector contacts I need, there will be solder joints in my harnesses. Once that is sorted I can see myself on a similar plane. 375 is still a killing unless nissan's suppliers are raping them for the connectors because wire itself is quite affordable. I'd know I was in the business for a while. Only real overhead will be my test stand.

[t.vo408]

Nobody sells the connectors. Wiring specialties has them made in taiwan and I doubt you will be able to get your hands on them unless you fork out thousands of dollars to either have them produced or you buy them in bulk. I am guessing likely all of your overhead will be in sourcing connectors. If you do find someone to sell you the connectors for a reasonable price I'm sure there will be tons of people who are interested who would like to know.

[bb4_96]

I'm pursuing a few leads to see what i can do for connectors. Lots of people want to know lots of things about wiring and wiring components but if there was open sharing of information some companies would stand to lose substantial profit(as is tru with most markets). So I doubt I'll be sharing many trade secrets unless selling harnesses goes tits up. If that happens I'll give it all to the forums. Sounds like I could make a killing on connectors alone lol.

[t.vo408]

Yeah, you could definitely make some money on connectors. But if you can bust out a nice swap harness for like low 200's you'd probably make a killing. I'd buy one just to replace my hacked up one.

[R33E8]

Until i figure out who sells the connector contacts I need, there will be solder joints in my harnesses.

Seems like you should do a bit more research before calling your stuff "good quality"..

[FRpilot]

Lots of people want to know lots of things about wiring and wiring components but if there was open sharing of information some companies would stand to lose substantial profit(as is tru with most markets). So I doubt I'll be sharing many trade secrets unless selling harnesses goes tits up. If that happens I'll give it all to the forums. Sounds like I could make a killing on connectors alone lol.

dude, information on wiring for an sr is not scarce like looking for an answer on the cure to aids. there are no trade secrets, the information is out there as thousands of swaps have been done for over a decade.

a specific site, that recently went out of business, has all the information listed that many early sr swap guys have used. even then, a simple search, and you will find all the answers. no need to create some random thread on the "secrets to wiring an sr revealed" on all the forums, people will just be like :ugh:

businesses that provide the wiring services is not due to the lack of information our there, but to provide a plug and play solution and a nice professionally converted harness for those who are willing to pay for it or lack the time and patience to sit there for hours depinning, splicing, shortening, soldering, and heat shrinking everything.

[bb4_96]

^ Since all the information is out there could you get the p/n for the 3pin CAS connector and the p/n's for the contacts in the ecu plug?

[bb4_96]

dude, information on wiring for an sr is not scarce like looking for an answer on the cure to aids. there are no trade secrets, the information is out there as thousands of swaps have been done for over a decade.

a specific site, that recently went out of business, has all the information listed that many early sr swap guys have used. even then, a simple search, and you will find all the answers. no need to create some random thread on the "secrets to wiring an sr revealed" on all the forums, people will just be like :ugh:

businesses that provide the wiring services is not due to the lack of information our there, but to provide a plug and play solution and a nice professionally converted harness for those who are willing to pay for it or lack the time and patience to sit there for hours depinning, splicing, shortening, soldering, and heat shrinking everything.

Anybody else looking to run on in and inform me that everything about Nissan electronics is open knowledge thats been out there for years can calm there shit and give me a bill of materials for the SR20DET wiring harness.

[FRpilot]

why would you even go through the trouble of trying to make a harness from scratch looking for part numbers for specific plugs and all that other non sense.

just use your existing jdm sr harness or buy a new one. find your ka harness and cut the dash plug that run up to the cluster and the other 2 plugs that plug into the harness in your engine bay. cut the sr plugs off and splice the ka plugs in their place. all the colors on the sr and ka harness match, it's just the plugs that don't.

all these online shops do is provide a service. they obtain a new harness and do all the wire shortening, soldering, and splicing. they are not buying new plugs for everything and making a harness from scratch.

[JVD]

pipe dreams

[kalypso123]

indeed {msg}

do it for 165, and yes there will be a market.

[bb4_96]

I'd go through the trouble so I could bring a product to consumers.

This whole thing started because I couldn't find coilpack connectors for my harness. A guy sold me a swap with melted/busted connectors and i couldn't get new ones unless i hacked them out of another harness(that i had to purchase) I couldn't just buy new connectors seperately. Then i read an article about a guy who had a cut harness with missing ecu plug. All he needed was a new plug but had to shell out 400 for a new harness instead. Connector availability could save some folks money. Through the research I've done thus far I've come to the conclusion that there is money to be made here.

If i get blocked from the market of making whole harnesses, I'll either:
- sell connectors to people who run into trouble i was in.
- buy up cut harnesses and turn out sleeved re-lengthend harnesses.
- turn over all my findings so people can pursue the cleanliness and perfection i was pursuing in my harness.

all these online shops do is provide a service. they obtain a new harness and do all the wire shortening, soldering, and splicing. they are not buying new plugs for everything and making a harness from scratch.

I understand what your saying, and i respect constructive criticism but this isn't the first time you've mixed up some facts. I know ws wouldn't appreciate it.

These statements are straight off their website:

-"Sorry, development of these units is taking a bit longer than expected as OEM connector sourcing is time consuming"

-"Brand new wiring and connectors"

per- S13 SR20DET into S13 240sx Harness Combo FREE SHIPPING (http://www.wiringspecialties.com/wss13srins131.html)

[240KA]

this is ALMOST like knockoff companies who make fake wheels, and i say almost cuz i know some of you are gonna touch on the idea that the fake companies don't make "quality" parts, even though their wheels have successfully been used by thousands of people.

this guy is making a cheaper product so that more people can enjoy the "sport" of having an easy conversion harness/sr20 swap. isnt that what knockoff companies are doing? they are just providing a cheaper wheel for people who can't afford expensive wheels, and if you dont agree you can SMD. and no i dont own knockoff wheels, i'm just open minded and can see the whole picture unlike Gabe's dumbass.

[R33E8]

I would buy connectors from you to make my own harness if it came as a kit with all the connectors and crimps..

(for a KA..)

[Om1kron]

few people thought it was just as easy as you make it sound. But after a few years of business they normally go away.

[drift freaq]

I will put it like this to the OP. You want a nice clean S13 SR harness wired plug and and play ready to go? $250 and I can have it done. You want a S13 into S14 $275. LOL

Seriously the point FR Pilot is trying to make and he has been around for years by the way, is that most people can get a good wired SR harness already for a reasonable price.

Ad to that fact that indeed wiring SR's is quite common knowledge and the info is all over the web. Now wiring specialties has made selling a wired harness their business, so they charge a premium.

Though there are wiring pro's right here in Socal who will do it for less.

No one is telling you not to do it. What they are telling you is at this point in time is, its probably not worth your effort.
Unless you lowball the whole market like Kaylapso mentioned i.e. selling the wired harness at what is considered to be a wholesale price $165.

Fact is unless you are a pro at it and can do many harnesses? You are not going to want to sell a wired harness that cheap, because you probably won't have the resources to make it worthwhile profit wise.

Now if you want to go ahead and do it, read up on it and do it. Though don't expect everyone to just hand you out the information to you, without doing your own research.
The info is out there, go get it. Don't expect us to tell you what do especially when you come in and say you want start doing a business with it.

People who start businesses with stuff like this do the research by reading and learning the info not asking people to just give it to them.

[bb4_96]

^agreed. although any insight would be greatly appreciated.

[JVD]

Bump.

How far into production are you?