Negative Attitudes in the import scene

[92RPs13]

I've been into cars for awhile now more so with domestics than imports but ive noticed that in the import scene there is alot of bad attitudes. It seems like people just get into it to be better than the next guy or be faster the someone else, rarely have i come across someone who just likes to work on cars because they love cars. Im not saying that domestic guys are any better but with the import scene ive met alot more people who just seem to be jumping on board because its the thing to do. Has anybody noticed this at all. Im sure there will be some flaming going on here but id like to see peoples opinions.

[Arcane]

i believe that people have that attitude because the import scene is a lot cheaper to get into...instead of the domestic scene (which i hope you mean old school cars)...and with the easy accessibility and spoiled brats...it's makes a window for people to bring in the bad attitude...just because there mom bought the a cheap import, usually a civic, and, with a couple of dollars, can put a few mods into their cars and consider themselves to be racers...when all they really know is how to ride low and hope they can beat another poser, and hopefully impress a someone who is only interested in the car, while the true enthusiasts laugh and wonder how the #### that person can drive and listen to the radio at the same time....there are still some people who are in the import scene who respect the cars they drive and really delve into the complexity of what makes this particular car special...either that or more assholes are getting into the import scene...which group do you belong in??? i'm more a computer guy myself...ho hum...

(Edited by Arcane at 10:41 pm on Feb. 25, 2002)

[s13240sxman]

Couldnt agree more about the feel but I would never say that American car lovers are more layed back. I would also never go as far as to say that importers are either. I grew up with American cars on the TV and couldnt help but dislike them do to the fact that my Dad and his Dad worked for Toyota and now so do I. I love everything about imports and I think its great that others love them to, if its not working on them, its the love they get from owning one. To me their great cars but with that doesnt mean there will be great people. Sure there are the vast amounts that sprang out in the late 90's to buy their import due to the fact that they thought they would be the next cool thing but im a lifer in the import familly and im not leaving it just do to a vast amout of people that do whats cool. These ppl with fade out and we, the car lovers will stay. I dont think we have any thing to worrie about. Just keep your cool and you have fun doing what you love. The others will follow whats cool.

[wherezmytofu]

yay i know...it seems when im around import pplz all they do is bitch....o it's a nissan?..and i hate hondas....but all the american enthusius r like thats a nice mustang and yay if u fix up your chevy it;d be fast...they seem to have less hate for different car companies....at the track and drag they have over here....i;ve never heard one nice thing from pplz with imports...they r like....imature little kids...while the domestic drivers r like nice car....thats a nice engine and stuff...they also seems to know more specs of other cars then they have...i dunno maybe it's cuz he have to many car companies unlike the big 3....ford,gm, and chysler.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

[thewholefnshow]

It depends, nissan owners look at honda owners like dodge owners looked at ford owners. There is a mutual dislike, and groups don't intertwine as much. The thing is there used to be what 3 different groups? Chevy, who had buick, cadillac and all those subsidaries, they got along, dodge, plymouth, chrysler, they had there group, and ford was ford. You didn't see people jumping back and forth between compaines because you were are dodge man, or a chevy man etc... same mentality today I find. In the past there was a lot less to understand about cars, they were a lot simpler, people got along better I think because racing was not such a crime, it was just fun and a get togther. Rather than creating clans, you just had some friends you would go and race with. Now everything is a competition and I think that it the difference. it used to be fights between entire groups like I was saying. Now it is everyman for himself when it comes to racing and cars.

[boosteds14]

ya, i agree with all replies, i am only 19yrs old and when i was in school, i had to buy everything. my parents wouldnt support me at all. but when i see other kids that had their parents buy them imports, and also some will have their parents pay for the mods- they were just assholes thinking they got the fastest car and they are the best kids on the block. while i just sit back and watch. but i dont agree about the american car person. i believe it has to do with age, because i know alot of american car people that talk more shit then ever. so i believe it is all about the age of a person and their atitude about thier car.

[Nismos14]

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I've been into cars for awhile now more so with domestics than imports but ive noticed that in the import scene there is alot of bad attitudes. It seems like people just get into it to be better than the next guy or be faster the someone else, rarely have i come across someone who just likes to work on cars because they love cars. Im not saying that domestic guys are any better but with the import scene ive met alot more people who just seem to be jumping on board because its the thing to do. Has anybody noticed this at all. Im sure there will be some flaming going on here but id like to see peoples opinions.
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also in the import scene everyone MUST be better than the next guy at any cost.... no matter what even if he has to LIE ...... they're mostly young retards who dont know crap about cars........ (not that i kno much) but u get the idea

[Coldsun]

&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Man the import scene has major internal problems... this bored is kinda of proof of that... I mean granted it is Zilvia.net i expect the most people here are nissan driven... but man i love cars first, no matter what brand...And some people here really think they are BETTER then a guy that drives another brand of car.. I remember when i first got into imports seriously , i had a 94 Accord, alil CAI, and a Greddy Evo exhaust and a drop...it eventually looked like a super touring beast and had mega engine mods... but anyway i had a ignorant view towards domestics , mustangs in particular... then one day i lined up with one and got roasted (he was my good friend so i took it easier)
Anyway Basically i realized, &quot;Hey so what if i think that 5.0s look like dumpsters on wheels, They're fast, these guys like them, and there good guys, to each his own&quot;....
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;With imports its like theres so much shit talking, the civic forever changed the face of the import scene... Now i'm not gonna sit here and try to say the civic is great, #### no .. its slow, made to be reliable and save gas... and i'm definately not here to back up honda, if i was gonna support any car company for its import scene acknowledgment it would be Toyota(they jus cant see the whole picture).... What i'm saying is, man nowadays &nbsp;the civic is a car that can be made into a good car, and even if you do it right, someone within the import scene will hate on you...
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;The nissan owners look at honda owners example... Man i'ma be real, there are riced out cars all across the board, from fords to nissans.. And look at it like this, before Nissans rebirth with there 2001+ cars ...there were civic si owners that look at them sentras drive by and laugh, the same with the old maximas and ludes, and altimas and accords, and for the 300zx and s2000 , hey hey lets jus leave that one alone <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> And there aftermarket was always something crazy...basically man i think everyone should drive and work on and race against as many cars as they can't (like me <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> ) and then you'll gain some respect for your fellow imports
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&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Ahhh man, baiscally what i am saying is after the events of sept 11th can't we all jus get along... import scene union, you know i like cars damnit, i'm a member of this board!
-Sun

p.s how do you nissan guys feel about mazda, assuming we are considering mazda to be a import -=)

[1997 S14]

Maybe I can clear this up. &nbsp;I am 21 years old and I drive a 99' Grand Am GT modded to all ####. &nbsp;The reason I am here is I talked my girlfriend into getting a 1997 240sx Black SE w/ Auto. &nbsp;Auto was her choice.

I do not like ricers. &nbsp;You know, punky kids with imports with ugly, tacky appearance mods, who drive around like their car is the next best thing to a F-16. &nbsp;Most of these kids if you even look at their car will try to start shit. &nbsp;Not to mention what happens when they get beat. &nbsp;Most of the time you get a ricer fly by but on occasion you will get the one who will try to start shit. &nbsp;You know run you off the road, swerve into your lane, pass you in a very dangerous situation for both of you. &nbsp;Those are the people I hate. &nbsp;I do like hondas, and I love nissan. &nbsp;I enjoy the occasional tastefully modded civic or integra. &nbsp;You know, no stickers, nice rims, no color clashing. &nbsp;I like more of the sleeper style imports. &nbsp;Like a civic lowered with nice rims, exhaust, tint, lights, just no tacky shit.

I guess Hondas just aquired the sterotype as being punky. &nbsp;Nissan has the more tasteful crowd and more intelligent (nissan's tend to be quicker than honda). &nbsp;Acura has its ricers but also has some decent owners. &nbsp;And so on.

By the way my car runs 15.019 with RAT intake, borla exhaust, MSD ignition, eibach springs, 17&quot; enkei RS-6's, Nitto rubber, sways and strut bars. &nbsp;I have no tacky stickers in fact my windows aren't even tinted. &nbsp;Ohh and its a automatic.

[transient]

Well I know that at least around here, there are more people hating on imports than vice versa. This is a domestic lovers town, and they look down on the guys that drive imports. The thing is, they have no reason to. They take such a juvenile standpoint that it's easy to be a little annoyed with them and make fun of them. I don't hate domestics, I just love imports (nissan and toyota the most). Everyone has their favorite car companies, that doesn't mean that they actually hate other cars. I talk crap about civics sometimes, but when I do, i'm explaining my dislikes, not just bashing them for no reason. They're FF cars, I hate driving an FF car, etc.

[Coldsun]

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Man the import scene has major internal problems... this board is kinda of proof of that... I mean granted it is Zilvia.net i expect the most people here are nissan driven... but man i love cars first, no matter what brand...And some people here really think they are BETTER then a guy that drives another brand of car.. I remember when i first got into imports seriously , i had a 94 Accord, alil CAI, and a Greddy Evo exhaust and a drop...it eventually looked like a super touring beast and had mega engine mods... but anyway i had a ignorant view towards domestics , mustangs in particular... then one day i lined up with one and got roasted (he was my good friend so i took it easier)
Anyway Basically i realized, &quot;Hey so what if i think that 5.0s look like dumpsters on wheels, They're fast, these guys like them, and there good guys, to each his own&quot;....
With imports its like theres so much shit talking, the civic forever changed the face of the import scene... Now i'm not gonna sit here and try to say the civic is great, #### no .. its slow, made to be reliable and save gas... and i'm definately not here to back up honda, if i was gonna support any car company for its import scene acknowledgment it would be Toyota(they jus cant see the whole picture).... What i'm saying is, man nowadays the civic is a car that can be made into a good car, and even if you do it right, someone within the import scene will hate on you...
The nissan owners look at honda owners example... Man i'ma be real, there are riced out cars all across the board, from fords to nissans.. And look at it like this, before Nissans rebirth with there 2001+ cars ...there were civic si owners that look at them sentras drive by and laugh, the same with the old maximas and ludes, and altimas and accords, and for the 300zx and s2000 , hey hey lets jus leave that one alone <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> And there aftermarket was always something crazy...basically man i think everyone should drive and work on and race against as many cars as they can (like me <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> ) and then you'll gain some respect for your fellow imports

Ahhh man, baiscally what i am saying is after the events of sept 11th can't we all jus get along... import scene union, you know i like cars damnit, i'm a member of this board!
-Sun

p.s how do you nissan guys feel about mazda, assuming we are considering mazda to be a import -=)

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[Coldsun]

oops -=)

[Krunko]

Imports are a trend now.

People will rice out their car or even put performance mods on their import because it's the &quot;cool&quot; thing to do. &nbsp;A lot of these people are just highschool kids that just got their license.

I believe the number of these people outnumber the amount of people who really know about their vehicle, and arn't just in it because I want to have a &quot;cool&quot; car.

Here in Tulsa, OK I don't have any friends that I hang out with that are into cars like me. &nbsp;(except my friend matt who has a new miata with exhuast, intake, wires, plugs, 6spd...pretty nice really)

All my car friends are back in FL where I'm from..they all own mustangs, camaros, grand nationals...basically fast domestics... &nbsp;My roots are domestics....nissan is one of the few imports I'll get involved with. &nbsp;Let me se...I'm down with Subaru, Nissan, rx-7's, supras..and probably some others.

i'll shut up now.

i have to get back to work.

[DrDubbleB]

I don't know, I am a lover of all cars. &nbsp;I used to be into the domestic scene (old school domestics...not the new crap) hard core, until I realised the potential that some of the imports have. &nbsp;I think that the domestic guys hate on imports a lot more than imports do on domestics, just from personal experience. &nbsp;I mean a lot of my friends were shocked, and even upset that I chose to go import, they never thought I would.
One thing they have to realise though is that these are great cars, with tremendous potential, and if that's the route I want to go, then that's the route I'm going to go. &nbsp;I wish that within the import community we could get together and share our knowledge and stories and what not without hating on each other. &nbsp;I think it would be great to have a massive import meet around here with all makes present.

[jyt747]

I'll have to agree with the Dr. in saying that there are a lot more domestic car lovers hating on imports than vice versa, esp. where I live. I like cars of all kind, whether import or domestic, but I think that people have this view of imports being all haters because you see the few bad examples and use it as a generalization of all importers. Most of the the import car owners I know love cars of all kind. Rarely do I see an importer hating on a domestic, however, I'll see domestics always talk shiet about f*ckin &quot;jap&quot; shiet, &nbsp;this and that. I've had more mustangs and camaros try to race me than your so-called &quot;ricer.&quot; Speaking of the term &quot;ricer...&quot; Why is it that only imports are called ricers, but by definition there are many domestics that should be considered ricers as well. Even though I'll use the term every now and then, I'll never understand it. ie. how is putting stickers on your car part of the definition of ricer if they have all the stuff they're representing? If someone has a &quot;powered by honda&quot; sticker... no shiet, like I don't know that, and a mustang has a fat ass &quot;mustang&quot; sticker... no shiet, like I don't know that either, what's the difference?! Sorry, for rambling on and on, I'll stop now <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>
BTW, would you ever call a car lowered with chromed out rims, a naked lady painted on the hood and hydros a... beaner (no offense to anyone). Now I'll stop <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[Takumi]

Imports have &quot;rice rockets&quot; and domestics have &quot;corn rockets&quot;.

[LanceS13]

Personally, I like any car with respectable performance. &nbsp;My first love for cars was sparked by a picture in a HotRod Mag. of a '70 Chevelle 454 SS...it's still one of my favorite cars. &nbsp;And the 'Vette C5....hmmmm, yummy.
I don't think it matters if a person drives a domestic or an import. &nbsp;It's the mentality of the person driving the car. &nbsp;Some people just think they're hot shit and that's &nbsp;what gets to me. &nbsp;I've also noticed that less popular cars have the friendliest and most devout following. &nbsp;Everybody owns a Mustang or a Civic and I bet half the &nbsp;people that think those cars are God's gift to the auto enthusiast couldn't even explain what a crankshaft is. &nbsp;But you have a few that really know their stuff and have a seriously fast Mustang or Civic. &nbsp;Then you have the less popular cars. &nbsp;From my experience, the owners of these genereally really know their stuff and know exactly what they like about the car and what they want to improve on it....whether it's a &nbsp;240SX or a GMC Syclone or a Triumph GT-6.
Someone once told me: &nbsp;&quot;Anybody arguing over domestics vs. imports needs to find something better to do.&quot;
I agree whole-heartedly.

I agree with alot thats been said in the previous posts. &nbsp;Me personally, I install everything myself, rebuilds and whatnot. &nbsp;Thats how everybody before me in my family has done it so thats just the way I am. &nbsp;I like the feel of actually building something up in my car. &nbsp;I know that not everyone has the resources to do everything themselves and thats OK, but I feel violated when I have some stranger working on my car. &nbsp;I don't know maybe its just me. &nbsp; I've only worked with Japanese imports because I really had no choice being in Japan. &nbsp;I know all of my friends who had nissans and toyotas wouldn't go around bashing on American V8's just because they were V8's. &nbsp;####, most of the time when someone had one imported, we were the first ones to wanna find out everything about the car. &nbsp;Also I've seen a rivalry between hondas and the rest of the cars but its waaaayy deeper here in the states, whats up with that? &nbsp;I've lived in the states a few times but I know one thing that annoys me is when you have kids running around with cars that mommy and daddy bought with all kind of parts that they don't understand. &nbsp;They don't know whats fast and whats not , &nbsp;that crap puts the kids running around in danger and everybody else in danger also. &nbsp;Anyway, &nbsp;I like fast cars period,toyotas,hondas,nissans,chevys, fords, chryslers, and the cars from europe. &nbsp; I like my high revving imports and I also like the big V8 with their torque and power and their intimidating presence. &nbsp;Tell me that you don't get intimidated when a bigass domestic V8 pulls up next to you and starts revving their engine. &nbsp;Let me stop because I'm starting to just ramble on.....I love all cars...I think its man's greatest invention.

[Takumi]

There's just one thing I'm sick of. JDM dickriding and Honda hating. Mainly the Honda hating because I DO drive a Honda. To tell you guys the truth, I love Hondas to death and I have good taste and knowledge in tuning one (no Altezza lights, LED hood squirters, 17's, ViS Racing, or any of that bullshit). Well, I won't buy one in the future though, but I still have the urge to build one and start over instead of this POS automatic 92 Integra (now with my rear OEM A badge stolen) where I'm wasting my knowledge due to the lack of funds and the right car. Aside from Honda, I learned about many other cars and read up on articles. Eventually I became a walking parts catalog and I started to like any car, even muscle cars. I used to hate muscle cars because some of the assholes that I've met in high school always bagged on me for liking imports. What's my point here? Don't hate, appreciate.

Now with the JDM thing. I absolutely loathe JDM facists. That's gotten out of hand that if something is OEM style or subtle, it's &quot;JDM style&quot;. Anything out of Japan HAS to be good and flaunted to death. That's a load of fucking bullshit. A clean looking car is a clean looking car. Japanese parts aren't the end all of everything. JDM parts are only useful if it's been proven to be beneficial over anything else. PROVEN, not just because it's from Japan. &quot;Duuurrr..I have a JDM clock blocker for my Integra and it only cost me $40 I R KEWL&quot;. Silvia faces, JDM Type R front ends, SR20DET's, Trueno or Levin front ends, Mugen, Nismo, STi, Cusco, Trust, JUN, Zeal, Advan, anything useful or looks good, it's fine, not something as useless as a piece of plastic from Japan that covers up a clock or a cover for the center console where the stereo used to be or some other useless shit. It ain't fully JDM until it's right hand drive. No wonder Japanese junk yards are making tons of money off gaijin (Americans). Welcome to poseurville.

[Drifting Ricer]

Hmm

I got one to put a end to this.

Anything can be anything if you got the money and known what you're doing. A civic can kill a viper, a V8 can rev to 10 RPMs . A yugo can out handle a 240sx.
It's all in the mentally.

So there everyone get back to normal.

[DrDubbleB]

American &quot;riced out&quot; cars...are called oatmeal. ; )

[wherezmytofu]

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Imports have &quot;rice rockets&quot; and domestics have &quot;corn rockets&quot;.
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actually it's call ed &quot;wheat rockets&quot; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[whateverjames]

i always called them corn burners. there is a guy on the ricecop forum with an older porsche named beerburner. hah

[drift freaq]

ok my two cents.
First off Toyota and Nissan were the first two Japanese car companys to bring performance auto's to the U.S. Toyota tried with the limited 2000GT. Miserable sales and not many imported .
Meanwhile Nissan was selling roadsters under the Datsun name badge.
Now the interesting fact here is the 2000GT was actually the original design that Nissan and Yamaha started on but had a falling out. Yamaha took the design to Toyota and they brought it out.
Meanwhile Nissan revamped it into the 240z and also brought out the 510 . They stopped selling the roadsters in 1970 so as not to interfere with 240z sales.
Basically Nissan was the original Japanese Performance car company and in the 1970's managed to secure that position here and in Japan. This continued into the 80's . Honda's were always grocery getters. Until Honda introduced the CRX and NSX. In the late 80's and early 90's kids who had grown up with their parents driving these grocery getters recieved them as there first cars. Thus the Honda performance market &nbsp;began. Now Toyota has always taken respectable stabs at the Performance side but never really rocked it the way Nissan and Mazda(forgot to mention them)
did. Of course the Supra TT was another respectable stab but it was at a bad time for the import sportscar scene here. The resurgance would not start till the late 90's at this point Nissan and Mazda (except for the Miata)had all but abandon it too.
The Stage was set for Honda to run with it. Hence HOnda kids and ricers. Now I will say that I have respect for them . Though I started with American cars and Hotrods . #### I read Hotrod magazine as a Kid . I wanted a 69 Corvette. As a senior in High school I got turned on to imports. Handling was where it was at. I never turned back. I also favor rear wheel drive plain and simple for me it means more fun.
All in all Mike (clear corners) and I ran a freeway run with a couple of Honda guys and a AE86 guy and a Mr2 saturday night . We all had respect for each other and when that Type R's Vtec kicked in he could keep up with us. hahahaha but we had in the bottom end and up the hills . plain and simple torque rules:biggrin:
so where am I going with this?
to the store to score hahhahahhahha
word respect plain and simple

[misnomer]

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For the record, the US is the world's largest producer of rice, it's just not as common in American quisine :-)

As far as cars go. . . There's nothing wrong with the car, it's the person behind the wheel

[Coldsun]

Agreed
as long as your car is hooked up good, and not ricey, i'll give you respect... if i seen a riced out nissan i'd hate on it too....
Hondas were alotta hand me down cars that kids took and made into there own.. some of these cars are running under 12sec 1/4miles now... so people that mod hondas right will forever have my respect.. because , there were always supercars, there were always sportscars, and there were always cars that came fast straight from factory... The Hondas weren't that and they made modding what it is now, shit they made the import scene what it is now.... with out the civic, man we'd probably all be riding stock... hahah
-Sun

[drift freaq]

sun writes...
with out the civic, man we'd probably all be riding stock... hahah
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you'd probably be riding stock. Me? #### no! hahahahahahhahahhahaha

[crazycuban]

The reason for the bad attitudes is the age groups of the domestic scene vs. the import scene. &nbsp;Much, maybe most of the domestic scene is made up of older people - people over 30. &nbsp;Imports, being a new thing, is mainly young people. &nbsp;Young people, generally, are immature, generally can get bad attitudes, and are a lot more in it for the glory. &nbsp;Hey, I'm young, I don't think I fit those generalizations, but I know a lot of people that do.

[SaintlyCharBoy]

personally, i love domestics, old, big nasty ones, for years, i dreamt of buying and rebuilding an old camaro (69 ish ss or rs) but i realized ... shit, i have a limitted budget!

imports, whether asian or european, even yugoslavian (fiat designs tho) tend to offer a better value, ie performance or reliability per dollar.

the turbo grand nationals were hella cool, but i need to get more than 18-20 miles per gallon

from personal experience, insurance companies frown upon 19 year old kids, with 6 points on their licence (in a 24 pt system- weather induced acident due to guess what inexperience driving) driving power pumping gas guzzeling V8s

that said, i drove a camry until i could afford not to (this week)

like chickenmanq repeated &quot;never hate in the plural&quot;
it's the owners not the cars that have &quot;issues&quot;

[Freak Leash 240]

The problem is that the majority of import &quot;racers&quot; (as they call themselves) are the gangster-wannabe type... thinking they're the biggest badásses in the world and they give us (the other import owners a bad image.

Yo fool, what ya be lookingz at?
Hondaz are tha shÃ*tznitz yo!

The Freak

[Coldsun]

Drift Freaq- that was intended to be funny jus so you know, i do think that hondas really pushed modding though

crazycuban- Good point man..the domestic guys , or atleast some of them are older dudes, we got stuck with alotta younger jerks

FreakLeash 240- I disagree , what ever happen to kids jus being dumb, can't kids jus be dumb anymore ... hahah.... nah but i think your talking about the MINORITY of import &quot;racers&quot; cuz most of the people in the scene i know dont talk like that, hahah.... do you even hear people say stuff like that, or is that something your assume of them because of there style of dress or something else?

Basically, how you talk is the last thing i give a shit about, jus dont Rice out ya car
-Sun

[200sx]

Well, lets se here... I grew up in an import family.. VW's, Volvo's (dont yu dare say anything: it was an 85' 240 Turbo wagon, and it was hella fast!) So naturally, my first instinct was to buy import. &nbsp;My first car was a Datsun 280zx. &nbsp;Actually, I had 3 of these all together... here's the list so far of what I have driven:
81' 280zx (2 good ones, one parts car)

85' HONDA CRX (it sucked. &nbsp;But was great on gas!)

87' Isuzu Trooper II (dont ask.. my worst mistake ever!)

85 Nissan 200SX (cost me $500, drove the snot out of it for 2.5 years. &nbsp;The engine and tranny FINALY gave up this year. &nbsp;Still runs, but is not healthy)

79' Jeep J10 pickup 4X4. (my first V8 &gt; 360ci. &nbsp;My god... TORQUE! &nbsp;Pull the arse hole out of the world...)

85' Mazda RX7 (I put a 350 chev in it... it was a lot of fun.. and insane to drive!)

86' Toyota 4Runner 4X4 (this is my present vehicle. &nbsp;Awsome 4 wheel system... patheticly underpowered 4 cyl engine... oh well. &nbsp;It works for the winter!)

As you can see, I am not particularly &quot;brand loyal&quot; although I do REALLY like Nissan's, and dislike Hondas a bit (only because of the poser rich kids that dont know shit, and race around town in their civics) &nbsp;I was considering a Buick Lesabre T-type for my next car. &nbsp;Because it performs. &nbsp;Problem it, they are also rare. &nbsp;My friend bought a Mustang 5.0 last summer, and I was impressed. &nbsp;I always hated stangs till then... but suddenly I relized, they make power AND perform. &nbsp;Aside from the old Z cars and toyota supras, there are not a lot of imports that will throw you in the seat from a launch (I am talking about a completly STOCK car) &nbsp;I can apreciate the urge to take a slow car, and mak it fast... a sleeper is just cool, and that is what I am trying to do. &nbsp;I have to say this though: &nbsp;A car is only going to perform as well as the driver can drive it. &nbsp;I drive my 5000+ pound 4Runner right to the limit, and I know what it can do. &nbsp;I have heard it said that &quot;a good driver is worth an extra 100HP on the race track&quot; and I firmly believe this. &nbsp;IE: a slightly done Civic COULD smoke a 5.0 stang, if the stang driver is a terible driver.
&nbsp;This is what &quot;hot roding&quot; is to me. (whatever you call it, &nbsp; modifying whatever you have, to make it perform better.) &nbsp;It is NOT bashing the honda, or ford, or the owners. &nbsp;

[Coldsun]

agreed

[blades]

personnally i feel the negative attitude comes from people who do mods to their car to be as flashy as possible. they don't know shit about cars and don't wan't to know, they just want people to think they can drive and think they have 300 hp when really if they did they would shit their pants, blow a donut in the road and end up ina tree !!
&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Don't get me wrong i don't know that much about cars but i'm learning and i want to know more. i want to make my car better and learn as much as i can b/c i love cars!!! i try not to shit on hondas just b/c they are hondas if i do its b/c the idiot driving it has a v tec sticker on a 88 civic hatchback that has a 1.6 L stock engine.
&nbsp; i also agree that alot of the attitude comes from spoiled kids who 's parents buy them an import then spend 3000 in mods. they have no respect (most of them) for anyoneelse car. But its been my experience that people who spend their own $ over time doing up their car whether it be domestic or imported, or even if they don't particularly like your car, will be respectfull and grown up about it (even if in their mind there thinking, &quot;i can kick his/her ass&quot;) b/c they too have spent time and money on their wheels!!!
my 2 cents