Widening Wheels thread

[atutt]

Content: Discussion of methods and shops for doing such. Pictures of re-barreled wheels or modified wheels to make them wider.

I often see a thread pop up with someone asking about widening or re-barreling their rims... It goes on for a bit. Then falls off only to be asked again shortly. With the approval of admin I'm making this unofficial rim widening thread, lol

As stated. This thread is mean't to provide a list compiled of companies who will widen or narrow (if that's your thing) your rims. Via either re-barrel or cut and weld.

Pics are only to be of rims that have been widened. Or pics of your rims that you wish to have widened.


CCW - Complete Custom Wheels does NOT provide lips for any type of rim other than CCW rims.

Kodiak - No longer offers their re-barreling service. At last time I e-mailed them anyway.

If anyone knows any company that has lips for a reverse mount 17'' rim with a 40 bolt hole pattern. Post it up! lol

[GabeS14]

I like this thread, ill post pics from home later

[scooby steve33]

here comes a completely useless post but there is a picture of a BWM z3 with the stock rear wheel widened and that was dope as hell and i feel like it had the info about him getting the wheels widened as i think they are 1 piece

[Drifting-pedobear]

I often see a thread pop up with someone asking about widening or re-barreling their rims... It goes on for a bit. Then falls off only to be asked again shortly.

wonder what gave you this idea ... :hide::dead:

[scooby steve33]

google works wonders

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n244/greatgatsby_01/mrdstr_6_resize.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n244/greatgatsby_01/mrdstr_8_resize.jpg


car is pretty dope too
M Roadster swap S52 : BIMMER (http://www.bimmer.ru/news/2009/09/03/m-roadster-swap-s52/)

[GSXRJJordan]

I worked for a high-end forged wheel company for a while, I'll try to keep up to date with this thread.

[atutt]

I like this thread, ill post pics from home later

:D

wonder what gave you this idea ... :hide::dead:

Yeah.... There's been a number of other threads about the same thing though.
Thought it was time to make a dedicated thread to it.

[wh0aitznic0]

Rebarelled Mugen M7.

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a360/akdanh/airnew-1.jpg

[atutt]

Who did them? Cost? that's what this thread is for! lol

[Jonnie Fraz]

Check this out? Nice FD (http://www.autocrossforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7910&st=0) This guy did it himself.

[widebodyseven]

Good thread!

Been thinking about widening my oem wheels....

[!Zar!]

Lots of vw guys do this to steelies. There is a thread called, "Widened Steelies" or something. I'd search for it, if I could.

[GabeS14]

I worked for a high-end forged wheel company for a while, I'll try to keep up to date with this thread.

Hey jordan what company was that? I am getting my rapiers repaired but since the wheel repair place cant copy the diamond shape lips i was thinking of just getting them widened a bit more!


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[epicbmx]

eric vaughn machine: aluminum wheel widening and narrowing (http://www.ericvaughnmachine.com/) also HW motors in Santa Ana. Eric can widen the front or backside. He can also take apart 2pc welded to set a new offset.

[ayuaddict]

ive always kinda liked the Z3 wheels, but these look pretty cool.

http://www.bimmer.ru/news/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/mrdstr_4_resize.jpg

i see honda dudes from socal not only widening their M7s but making them larger in diameter using these spacer things to go between the face and barrel. Some pretty interesting stuff.

Check this out? Nice FD (http://www.autocrossforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7910&st=0) This guy did it himself.

THAT is some pretty cool shit, great read.

...but that guy is using Tein coilovers, not ground control springs and Koni yellows so lets go ahead and disregard all that.


And Gucci Mane, how are you posting while you are pinked?? LOL.

[!Zar!]

BURR

http://zilvia.net/f/chat/95312-widened-steelies.html

[JDM Sil4ty]

eric vaughn machine: aluminum wheel widening and narrowing (http://www.ericvaughnmachine.com/) also HW motors in Santa Ana. Eric can widen the front or backside. He can also take apart 2pc welded to set a new offset.

how much does his services cost? .. i want more lip ..

[GSXRJJordan]

Hey jordan what company was that? I am getting my rapiers repaired but since the wheel repair place cant copy the diamond shape lips i was thinking of just getting them widened a bit more!


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Savini Forged Wheels, in Anaheim. SAVINI FORGED WHEELS (http://www.saviniforged.com)

They don't do 3pc wheels in anything smaller than 19", although they do make 18" concave forged monoblocks. If anyone's interested I still do outside sales for them.

...but that guy is using Tein coilovers, not ground control springs and Koni yellows so lets go ahead and disregard all that.

I use Tein Monoflex dampers with Swift springs in my FD, they're surprisingly good. Definitely better than any coilovers I've used or driven in S-chassis cars.

[lflkajfj12123]

Lots of vw guys do this to steelies. There is a thread called, "Widened Steelies" or something. I'd search for it, if I could.

How do you keep posting but you're pink?

[GabeS14]

How do you keep posting but you're pink?

When your pinked you can still post. Your post has to be reviewed by a mod first though before showing.


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[jspecusa]

my question is, it is safe?
honda guys just put the wheels on and go to shows or trailer queens.
they don't drive it on the street cuz the car will get stolen.
s-chasis guys drive more aggressive.
then again this is zilvia, more and more poser growning daily.

[atutt]

Yes it's safe... Take a loot at weldcraftwheels.com

A link to his testimonials
Weldcraft wheels Testimonials (http://www.weldcraftwheels.com/index-5.html)

A vid of of a customers car he did.
YouTube - Brenspeed Built 2008 Bullitt Saleen Supershaker Supercharger (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KTt4wwRxFE)

[epicbmx]

Eric's fees are something like $200+ for most mods.

[s14fbs]

the wheels i have now were widened a inch in the rear i wanna take the 17-10 move them in the front and have the front 9 widened to a 11 and put them in the rear

[atutt]

Post pics of them!

[Otto347]

Hey atutt, get your buddy to weld them up for you, just be careful cutting them apart!

[s14fbs]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t72/easternbikes1990/IMG_7667.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t72/easternbikes1990/IMG_7577.jpg

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t72/easternbikes1990/IMG_7576.jpg

[TougeLove]

http://i32.tinypic.com/bigs6.jpg
http://www.elusivemedia.com/gallery/d/114053-5/EG1_2233.jpg
http://www.elusivemedia.com/gallery/d/113930-6/EG1_1957.jpg
The rear wheels were originally 18x9.5 and were widened an extra 2" by Tim Williams @ wheel works in Burlington NJ. Tim has been in business for over 20 years and is the best at what he does. he has widened wheels for tons of supras, Ferrari's, and drag cars. when the wheels/tires were mounted and balanced they balanced PERFECTLY. the guy at the tire shop was very impressed.

build link: Custom Flares/Paint Project-335's in the rear?!*UPDATED 9/21*Photoshoot on pg 21 & 22 - my.IS - Lexus IS Forum (http://my.is/forums/f90/custom-flares-paint-project-335s-rear-updated-9-21-photoshoot-pg-21-22-a-396283/)

[95KA-Turbo]

Just to nit-pick a little bit, I hate when it is called re-barreling and people get new lips. Technically it is all a barrel but I prefer to call the outside portion a lip and the inside portion a barrel.


I originally purchased my BBS RSs in 17X7 and 17X8 +45/+50. With a little math I discovered I could add a 3.5" lip and get 17X10 and 17X11 +7/+12.

I ordered my lips from a guy in Germany, he has an ebay business called Racing Team Hoffman. Just type in 'BBS RS lips' in ebay search and you'll find it.

These are the original pictures from when I redid my first set of RSs. I will take more pictures when I do my new ones.

You can see the stock 1/2 inch lip compared to the 3.5" one (the 3.5" one is sitting on the bolts so it is sticking out a little higher then it should).

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/95KA-Turbo/lips2.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/95KA-Turbo/lips1.jpg


Then I took all of the bolts off, heated the wheel sup in the oven, and kicked them apart in my yard. The lips look MUCH better with the old lips off.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/95KA-Turbo/RS1.jpg

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/95KA-Turbo/RS3.jpg


All powder coated and put back together.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/95KA-Turbo/bbs6.jpg


Before I could seal them up I had to scrape all of the old sealant off, I recommend using a 3M Roloc Bristle Disk on a right angle die grinder:

http://images.solidcactus.com/autobarn/xxxw-3m-7524.jpg


Once I got the wheels cleaned and bolted back together I sealed it up with some GE Aluminum and Metal Silicone sealant. In a bottle like this:

http://www.homedepot.ca/wcsstore/HomeDepotCanada/images/catalog/f0d62333-a975-4f1a-a890-01d3aca4eaf1_4.jpg

[kalypso123]

Weldcraft Wheels Wheel Widening Wheel Repairs Wheel Restoration (http://www.weldcraftwheels.com/)

Wheel Widening Services - Custom Wheels (http://www.stocktonwheel.com/wheel_widening.htm)

eric vaughn machine: aluminum wheel widening and narrowing (http://www.ericvaughnmachine.com/)

I called weld craft before and tried to persuade them to do some 3 piece wheels.
and he didnt like doing so because he would have to make a cut too close to the nipple.

[GabeS14]

Just to nit-pick a little bit, I hate when it is called re-barreling and people get new lips. Technically it is all a barrel but I prefer to call the outside portion a lip and the inside portion a barrel.
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looks great dude..good job..
on your post, i somewhat agree,
re barreling-re-lipping.and just switching lips should be 3 different things.
re-lipping sounds more like cutting and welding in a new lip. and changing lips is what you did.
I called up Eric, (thanks to the guy who posted before with his info)
I had the front wheels repaired but the rear Weds Kranze rapiers, are causing me some serious drama, (LAX wheel repair) straightened one lip out and relipped the other so now one is shorter than the other..WTF?? and the one that was straightened out is all crinkly??wtf again..
so i gave them a cease and desist and i told him i was gonna take therear wheels away and just take them to ERic's shop and he said he has a new 6.5" lip he could just cut and wled in. I am hoping to have an effective 7-8 inch lip when he is done.

[95KA-Turbo]

That should be insane looking!


I should be getting my other RS faces back from the machine shop tomorrow, so I will be ordering powder and getting them blasted so I can put the new set together! I'll only have 4.5" lips, but I believe that's the biggest BBS RS lip that's out there (aside from people polishing up other barrels and putting them on as lips, haha!).

[ka24t85]

sweet, good info

[fckillerbee]

my new favorite thread....

and jeff...i'm wearing a savini shirt right now..lol...got it from their open house they had a couple months ago.

[GabeS14]

Juat dropped my 2 rear rapiers for Eric to start working on


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[fckillerbee]

is there anyway we can get some shop prices...like if I had a 18 inch wheel...and wanted to make it "x" times wider, it is going to cost "x" dollars. from the face, or the backside of the rim. (adding more lip/ more backspacing)

That way we get an estimated price...
What are turn around times?....
what should we look at when shopping a shop that does this?.....
anyone have problems with their widening?.....
what are the general problems....(balancing, mounting, etc)
can you add lips to wheels that don't have one already (example rotap45..adding a lip?)

I mean...im one that knows nothing about this...so any question and all questions might be asked in here...can we make this a example/ fact only thread...

[Dunkz]

I had new lips made for my panasports by this company in germany: Pertsch & Partner Onlineshop (http://www.titanium-touch.de/shop/)

They started off as 17x8.5 and 17x9.5 and pretty poor offsets.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/duncan_h_taylor/two%20tone/2009-07-011713424.jpg

After swapping the rear lips to the front and having new lips made for the rear I ended up with with a 9j for the front and a 10.5 et3 on the rear.

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/duncan_h_taylor/two%20tone/P5310169.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/duncan_h_taylor/two%20tone/P7050196.jpg

http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g199/duncan_h_taylor/two%20tone/carport.jpg

I think the total price was something like £280 (about $430 with our poor exchange rate at the moment) delivered to Scotland for a pair of 3" lips.

[PoorMans180SX]

Very good idea for a thread. Subscribed.

[jiggs]

who relips wheels? got vs-xx 18x9 (2) , and 18x10 (2) all plus 30 offset with small lips. I want to have maximum lip and lower offset while staying the same width. how am i able to achieve that goal?

[GabeS14]

who relips wheels? got vs-xx 18x9 (2) , and 18x10 (2) all plus 30 offset with small lips. I want to have maximum lip and lower offset while staying the same width. how am i able to achieve that goal?

read back in the thread a bit, some one posted about 3 shops who do it.

[jiggs]

thanks much, im leaning towards eric vauhn...

[GabeS14]

thanks much, im leaning towards eric vauhn...

I recommend him, thats where my wheels are right now.

[K_style]

This is awesome thread... wonder if there is any shop in OR would do that....

[95KA-Turbo]

Got a pair of the faces back from powder coating. When I get the center caps I'll take some pictures out in the sun.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/4881496136_72b1b5d57d_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4122/4881496086_f4b5298a54_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4881496222_7e20199d3e_o.jpg


I hand cleaned the bolts for that wheel with a wire brush and sanded down the part on the face that meets with the lip and barrel. I am starting to remember how time consuming and annoying it is to take wheels apart and rebuild them. I know it is worth it though!

[ballinnmiami240sx]

knoop that looks awesome. I likes!!!!

[implayaz9]

^where did u get ur lips?... I need help finding some 2.5/3inch lips for my rs's.. also whats the best way to clean the bolts and the nuts?

[yokotas13]

vinegar is hte bestest

[95KA-Turbo]

^where did u get ur lips?... I need help finding some 2.5/3inch lips for my rs's.. also whats the best way to clean the bolts and the nuts?

3":

polished wheel lips shells rims dishes BBS 3x17 RS RF : eBay Motors (item 150092627962 end time Aug-28-10 16:42:54 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/polished-wheel-lips-shells-rims-dishes-BBS-3x17-RS-RF-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ150092627962QQptZMotorsQ5f CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_1412wt_899)



2.5":

polished wheel lips shells rims dishes BBS 2.5x17 RS RF: eBay Motors (item 150295750075 end time Sep-07-10 09:40:38 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/polished-wheel-lips-shells-rims-dishes-BBS-2-5x17-RS-RF-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ150295750075QQptZMotorsQ5f CarQ5fTruckQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories#ht_1382wt_899)


That's the guy I went through, but he had to make mine since he doesn't make 4.5" lips.



The bolts I have are chrome bolts so I didn't have to clean them on the outside. I just used one of those table mounted grinding wheel things with a wire brush on it to get the old lock tight and sealant out of the threads.

[ballinnmiami240sx]

dont do anything else to those wheels. They look perfect!!!

[implayaz9]

Thanks 95KA-Turbo (http://zilvia.net/f/members/95ka-turbo.html).. what were ur original specs and the final ones? also what sealants u use to put em back together?

[95KA-Turbo]

My original ones were 17X7/8 +45/50 and after the 3.5" lips they were 17X10/11 +7/+12.

Now I am running 17X7 +45 all around, I had 5mm shaved off the back of a pair of them and am running 4.5" lips out back. So the sizes are 17X10/11 +7/-1. I have to run a 15mm spacer up front to get full use of my knuckles, so it'll be 10 -8. I am using the four 17X11 +12s as drift spares, and if I get enough grip from the 11 -1s with 245s I'll slide on them too, haha.

[sskracing]

this is pretty cool,
i might try to get my work euroline sl's widened or something.
could use a little more lippage!
95KA-Turbo- those wheels look good bro!
GabeS14- post picks of those 7'' lips when those wheels are done yo!
those wheels going on the s14?

[GabeS14]

this is pretty cool,
i might try to get my work euroline sl's widened or something.
could use a little more lippage!
95KA-Turbo- those wheels look good bro!
GabeS14- post picks of those 7'' lips when those wheels are done yo!
those wheels going on the s14?

For sure. I got my fingers crossed hoping it works out. Yea they Will prob go On the s14


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[OBEEWON]

YES!

THIS THREAD IS THE G.O.A.T.

Im going to that spot in Burlington. I need my Hasemis widened.

[OBEEWON]

For anyone who has done this already. What would be cheaper. Getting a new lip made or having the lip widened? (Not including powder coat and stuff, that will be done either way.)

Is there anyone on the east coast that makes lips?

[implayaz9]

I think not to many companies in us have lips. Few shops do but they are not cheap and also rare if u want more than 4 inch lips. Might have to get em custom made

[GabeS14]

Buying full lips 4-5" cost about $400-$500 a lip
Welding and widenning costs about $200-$300 a rim, tey have to be polished after welding though.


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[onlydrinkkoolaid]

Man I want to know whats the limit on how much and what kind of rims can be widen
Just curious on what are the pros and cons of doing this kind of widening if you consider a one forged rim because I have a really sweet deal on some WORKS MEISTER S1 2P

[implayaz9]

^ U can buy lips for those from work usa.. not cheap but its very doable.

[95KA-Turbo]

Got the rear pair bolted up and sealed tonight (thanks for the help Andrew!)


http://knoop.sumospeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wheels13-Sage-Powder-Coating.jpg

http://knoop.sumospeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wheels12-Sage-Powder-Coating.jpg

http://knoop.sumospeed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/wheels14-Sage-Powder-Coating.jpg


It takes approx. 20 mins to clean all of the bolts for one wheel (34) with a wire wheel, and it took a couple of hours to get these bolted together properly and sealed up.

[GabeS14]

they look awesome and the white looks great too!

[silentstyle1]

Is there anyone on the east coast that makes lips?


I second this

[wacko2]

man everyone rims looks good,

[Toms2jz]

Bumping this, i called Eric Vaughn i asked if he could make my 2 piece ssr sp1 into an 18x10 now the wheels are 18x9 im doing this to achieve more lip. I'll let you guys know the outcome as soon as he gets back to me.

[ZilviaKid]

well i found a place online that has the 4" bbs lips in stock, but now that i see you have 4.5 inch lips thats just not going to cut it!

god damn keeping up with the jones's is too tough for me.

[atutt]

I have given up on having someone widen my wheels.
I'm going to cut them on one of our lathes at work and weld the fuckers myself.
Too bad I can't pull them off till the 5 feet of snow on my car melt :(

[ZilviaKid]

I have given up on having someone widen my wheels.
I'm going to cut them on one of our lathes at work and weld the fuckers myself.
Too bad I can't pull them off till the 5 feet of snow on my car melt :(
i made a thread on SON about a guy who widens locally, bing a a few others said he did good work.

didnt get a pricce though.

[atutt]

Hmmmmmm..... Link?

I started a thread in the network section because I was having troubles finding someone local.

[JER-development]

@95KA-Turbo
you did a great job - they look sick.
This looks really cool to do.

More posts like 95KA-Turbo's would be great, to show the work.

[Dunkz]

I've just ordered more dishes to widen my other set of panasports, same as the ones I posted on the previous page. I'll have some pics up once they arrive.

You guys wouldn't happen to know if work wheels have the lips welded to the rear barrel or not? more specifically vs-kf and for an extra bonus point would anyone happen to know the amount of bolt holes and pcd sizes of the barrels and bolts?

[wacko2]

I've just ordered more dishes to widen my other set of panasports, same as the ones I posted on the previous page. I'll have some pics up once they arrive.

You guys wouldn't happen to know if work wheels have the lips welded to the rear barrel or not? more specifically vs-kf and for an extra bonus point would anyone happen to know the amount of bolt holes and pcd sizes of the barrels and bolts?

how much lip ur plainin to go on ur panasport,

[xdumbxguyx]

vs-kf's are 3 piece not welded

[GabeS14]

Ta...ta...ta... the guy is starting to work on my wheels today, says they will be fully welded tomorrow.
welding 2 porsche 4" lips together to replace my old rear lips, and ill have to get them polished after that.
Illl post an update as soon as i hear from him

[B4THEZ]

I got my SSR longchamps from 7.5" wide to 10.5" @ Tim Smith in burlington NJ. I love the way that they came out. Paid about $600 for them. Here some pics:

http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p144/emilyssite_photos/new%20wheels%20for%202011/widewheels4.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p144/emilyssite_photos/new%20wheels%20for%202011/widewheels3.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p144/emilyssite_photos/new%20wheels%20for%202011/widewheels1.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p144/emilyssite_photos/new%20wheels%20for%202011/IMG_1013.jpg
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p144/emilyssite_photos/new%20wheels%20for%202011/IMG_1008.jpg\


This is how they use to look before on the car...
http://i127.photobucket.com/albums/p144/emilyssite_photos/IMG_1195-SweetColor.jpg

[epicbmx]

here what ive done. all 14 into 15. before and after pictures. These are not cut and welded. Completely new front and rear lips to make a new wheel barrel. PM me for info.

[h2v7]

wider IS better

[GabeS14]

good stuff guys, finally some new additions to the thread,
I just got a call from Erik, saying he finished my wheels..the lips are smoothed out but will need to be polished or finished ..I was wondering what my options were for refinishing?
polished/chrome, what else?????

[g_mac530]

Well, I'm not widening my wheels but I am getting them powder coated. My question is should I take the two barrels apart before getting them re-done? I was thinking if the silicone would hold up in the oven I should be ok, but I just want to make sure before I take them to get coated and I'm told to take them apart and then come back.

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u174/ludeaddict_2001/Silvia/WorkVS-SD_2.jpg

http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u174/ludeaddict_2001/Silvia/WorkVS-SD_1.jpg

[ixfxi]

Check this out? Nice FD (http://www.autocrossforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7910&st=0) This guy did it himself.

this guy is a wonderful welder


my question is, it is safe?
honda guys just put the wheels on and go to shows or trailer queens.
they don't drive it on the street cuz the car will get stolen.
s-chasis guys drive more aggressive.
then again this is zilvia, more and more poser growning daily.

i agree sam. if you're going this route, you had better set aside some money to have them xray'ed as an integrity check, possibly send them out for re-forging? i wouldnt feel comfortable just riding on welded wheels

[GabeS14]

this guy is a wonderful welder




i agree sam. if you're going this route, you had better set aside some money to have them xray'ed as an integrity check, possibly send them out for re-forging? i wouldnt feel comfortable just riding on welded wheels

According to Eric Vaughn, who has been widenning wheels for decades said they are track worthy, he does hundreds of race car wheels a year, even big racing companys use him.

[Chernobyl]

Welcome to Jongbloed Racing Wheels (http://www.jongbloedracing.com/)

I contacted these guys YEARS ago about making some barrels and they seemed up to the task, but I never followed through. Might be another place to talk to if anyone is serious about this.

[codyace]

According to Eric Vaughn, who has been widenning wheels for decades said they are track worthy, he does hundreds of race car wheels a year, even big racing companys use him.

Yup I know plenty of track guys who have had wheels widened/shortened without issue.

[Dunkz]

vs-kf's are 3 piece not welded

I emailed work USA to get the definitive answer and they told me that all vs-kf's have welded barrels. So according to work your wrong. :)

how much lip ur plainin to go on ur panasport,

I got 4.5" lips. Need to get the centers painted and get them built up, I'll stick some pics up when they're all done.

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad62/dunkzs13/blog/DSCN0070.jpg


more pics here. Wrap your lips around this « Garage LSD (http://garagelsd.com/2011/02/05/wrap-your-lips-around-this/)

[GabeS14]

Just got my Wedz Kranze Rapiers back from re-lipping and polishing today
19x12-46
the entire lip was destroyed during my accident, and he had to weld two porsche lips together and weld that onto my wheel to get them to the exact size.
compared to the shitty job that LAX wheel repair attempted to do.....his work was magical..you cant tell the wheel was ever in an accident, and he even smoothed out the inner barrel too.Now I am going to have them anodized, because I am not such a bling fan, prefer straight aluminum look .

http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/gabriel_ackley/DSC00686.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/gabriel_ackley/DSC00685.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/gabriel_ackley/DSC00683.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/gabriel_ackley/DSC00682.jpg
http://i200.photobucket.com/albums/aa39/gabriel_ackley/DSC00684.jpg
cost for the two wheels repaired and re-lipped was $600..
if your wheel requires only 1 lip then the cost is below $200
I would def recommend Eric Vaughn to anyone wanted to up or reduce the size of their rims.

[Ktown_drifter]

wow... Nice to see gabe.. Ive been out of the loop.. you have a new car now or what??????????????????????? I want to get my Equips widened.. 11 wide just isnt enough on a Soarer

[GripTerror]

the pix aint working for me hmm.

I'd like to take some 18x10.5+15 rpf1s and expand them to 18x11.5 front and 18x12.5 rear :-/

[wacko2]

(Dunkz-----I got 4.5" lips. Need to get the centers painted and get them built up, I'll stick some pics up when they're all done.

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad62/dunkzs13/blog/DSCN0070.jpg)


wow u have some big lip for ur panasport, how much did it cost u get them, well my friend have some Panasport g7 c5c 17x9 all around +15 front +20 rear well his front lip like 2'' lip an i was tellin him go bigger for the front an put those in the back an back rim to the front, the rear has 3'' lip, well here pic of his car with them

http://img267.imageshack.us/img267/6231/39548174933819188325100.jpg (http://img267.imageshack.us/i/39548174933819188325100.jpg/)

Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[Dunkz]

wow u have some big lip for ur panasport, how much did it cost u get them, well my friend have some Panasport g7 c5c 17x9 all around +15 front +20 rear well his front lip like 2'' lip an i was tellin him go bigger for the front an put those in the back an back rim to the front, the rear has 3'' lip, well here pic of his car with them


Is that definately a 3" lip on the rear of your mates? looks a fraction smaller in the pic. On the page 2 of this thread you'll see my other panasports with a 3" lip on the rear wheels. These ones cost about £320 iirc so about $510 dollars plus maybe a little bit more on top for shipping to america.

[wacko2]

Is that definately a 3" lip on the rear of your mates? looks a fraction smaller in the pic. On the page 2 of this thread you'll see my other panasports with a 3" lip on the rear wheels. These ones cost about £320 iirc so about $510 dollars plus maybe a little bit more on top for shipping to america.

aw yea i see, wow that alot of money lol i bet ur new offset look good on ur car man

[ixfxi]

According to Eric Vaughn, who has been widenning wheels for decades said they are track worthy, he does hundreds of race car wheels a year, even big racing companys use him.

i dunno about you

but racing is not as harsh as normal street driving


street driving typically involves massive potholes and can often involve neglect, to the point where people drive shit with little or no air in their tires.

when something is welded, its the seam around the weld that is brittle and can break.


i am not saying the work isnt good or that its not reliable. i am simply saying, what cost to this risk? personally, i'de prefer getting the proper wheel from the get-go and calling it a day. but hey, to each his own. its cool stuff though. but 140mph with a set of welded wheels? dunno about that

[Backwoodsboy]

should i contact one of the provided links or can anyone direct me to a place for lips for ssr formula mesh, its 20 bolt and reverse mount lip, 17 in...ive looked but had a hard time locating anything

[GabeS14]

i dunno about you
but racing is not as harsh as normal street drivin
street driving typically involves massive potholes and can often involve neglect, to the point where people drive shit with little or no air in their tires.
when something is welded, its the seam around the weld that is brittle and can break.

I know what you mean, but 37 years of doing it, he says never had an issue, it's when you go to a shitty welder that you run into issues. if it's a proven company then it should be trustworthy.
If the weld is good, it should actually make the wheel stronger at the point of the weld.
Similar to your bones, when you break a bone, the body fills the crack in with more bone, and it makes the bone stronger.

[atutt]

this guy is a wonderful welder

Hardly....

i agree sam. if you're going this route, you had better set aside some money to have them xray'ed as an integrity check, possibly send them out for re-forging? i wouldnt feel comfortable just riding on welded wheels

It would be more costly to have a CWI x-ray the welds....

i dunno about you

but racing is not as harsh as normal street driving


street driving typically involves massive potholes and can often involve neglect, to the point where people drive shit with little or no air in their tires.

when something is welded, its the seam around the weld that is brittle and can break.

i am not saying the work isnt good or that its not reliable. i am simply saying, what cost to this risk? personally, i'de prefer getting the proper wheel from the get-go and calling it a day. but hey, to each his own. its cool stuff though. but 140mph with a set of welded wheels? dunno about that

It only becomes brittle if it was welded incorrectly. Or if it required post heat treatment and didn't receive any.

Why would you be doing 140mph on the street?

I know what you mean, but 37 years of doing it, he says never had an issue, it's when you go to a shitty welder that you run into issues. if it's a proven company then it should be trustworthy.
If the weld is good, it should actually make the wheel stronger at the point of the weld.
Similar to your bones, when you break a bone, the body fills the crack in with more bone, and it makes the bone stronger.

This is true. But only when it's welded correctly with the correct prep, technique and any post welding treatment (If required).

[Don Nguyen]

Called Eric Vaughn to see if he could do work on some TE37s, and he said he won't touch mag wheels, due to the materials.

He actually said repairing bends in mag wheels would be very hard as well.

[atutt]

TE37's are made of magnesium???

[chiboy002]

TE37's are made of magnesium???
one hell of a fire when you hit a curb and spark it

[ayuaddict]

I believe they had a short run of a "Forged MAG" version. The name sounds like they could have been made of Magnesium, not to mention the price (MSRP $1700 for 18x9.5s) and the weight (14lbs for the same size).

[Otto347]

I thought the forged mags were that dark blue color? Also they were knock offs and not lug nut wheels?

[fightinchunk]

i bet if you looked on the supra forums you'll find a gold mine. they love widening stock supra wheels... and for good reason: they sessy as hell

[silviaguy240]

TE37's are made of magnesium???

what old guys refer to spoked wheels as. my buddys dad still calls newer wheels mags. but im sure because they're forged its a pain in the balls to do.

[sr20sean]

hmmm... anyone want to fill their tires with nitrogen and go drift their 240 with magnesium te-37s into a curb?

[fightinchunk]

hmmm... anyone want to fill their tires with nitrogen and go drift their 240 with magnesium te-37s into a curb?

lol show up at the pearly gates ass backwards on fire... st peter's like wtf were you thinking

[CamryOnBronze]

I had no idea that Weldcraft was so well known. I had them repair some rash on my CR Kais when I first bought them- $80 total to completely redo and smooth the lips for two wheels- they did some really nice work!

[wh0aitznic0]

i bet if you looked on the supra forums you'll find a gold mine. they love widening stock supra wheels... and for good reason: they sessy as hell

Supra wheels are ugly as fuck. :|

[Sugoi_Style]

Yeah, it seems that Japanese manufacturers were skimpin' on the wheel designs back in the early 90's. Perhaps too much spent on R&D making a decent car, unlike the American fare over here in the states...

[Pure_JDM]

hmmm... anyone want to fill their tires with nitrogen and go drift their 240 with magnesium te-37s into a curb?

Since when is Nitrogen in tires flammable or any more reactive than "air"?

And if you're referring to Magnesium Nitride, go take a Chemistry class, and learn that driving into a curb will not cause this chemical reaction.

[Drifting-pedobear]

since when is nitrogen in tires flammable or any more reactive than "air"?

And if you're referring to magnesium nitride, go take a chemistry class, and learn that driving into a curb will not cause this chemical reaction.



what is scarcasm?!

[Mister.E]

scarcasm?!

according to urban dictionary:

Scarcasm, n. clever but very unkind comments that leave a scar on the recipient. A stronger form of sarcasm that is directed towards someone who is especially sensitive and is permanently "scarred" by the cutting remark.

[towlie]

what old guys refer to spoked wheels as. my buddys dad still calls newer wheels mags. but im sure because they're forged its a pain in the balls to do.

I've heard guys who are into the "mini truck" scene also defer to general chrome wheels as "mag"

[SidewaysTaco]

has anyone ever widened xxrs?

[95KA-Turbo]

has anyone ever widened xxrs?

You can't...its like buying ebay intercooler piping and trying to TIG it.

[titangts]

has anyone ever widened xxrs?


lol:rawk: it wouldnt be worth the money man..cuz by the time your done. you could have bought some 18x10's or whatever ( depends on brand of course )..and shit now xxr has 18x10.5's left and right.

[SidewaysTaco]

i have the 16x8s 002, i want to make the rears x9.5 or 10.

[towlie]

i have the 16x8s 002, i want to make the rears x9.5 or 10.

Might aswell buy steelies -_-

[ayuaddict]

You can't...its like buying ebay intercooler piping and trying to TIG it.

I've actually done that lol, mind you i wasn't the one who purchased it, but yeah it sucked.

And as i stated before: Volk did make magnesium TE37s.

[kalypso123]

I'd like to create a wheel widening workshop in the future, I can already imagine the lathe and tools needed to successfully do it.

[atutt]

Do you actually know what you need to look for in a lathe to do this?

I'm not a machinist but what I have gathered is that you can usually only cut something that's as big as your chuck.
IE 17'' chuck... Will most likely only cut up to 17''....

One of our lathes at work has a 19'' chuck... And it can only hold up to a 19'' rim.
Big chucks are BIG money and weigh a fuck ton...

I think you really need to know your lathes for an endeavor like this... Or you could end up with a lathe that's limited and cost a shit load...

[MidwestMyriad]

Hmm, I would try to fab up some kind of chuck with an old hub or something, that way instead of clamping the outer lip of the wheel (which WOULD require a 17" or bigger chuck), you could bolt the wheel to the chuck as if you were installing it on your car, not sure if it'd work, but in theory why not?

[atutt]

Hmm, I would try to fab up some kind of chuck with an old hub or something, that way instead of clamping the outer lip of the wheel (which WOULD require a 17" or bigger chuck), you could bolt the wheel to the chuck as if you were installing it on your car, not sure if it'd work, but in theory why not?

Generally the distance from the center of the chuck to the bed won't allow it...
Hence why you need a big fuckin chuck.
If the lathe can only handle, say, a 12'' chuck. The lathe will be built to a chuck that size (including the arms stick out). They won't build it so it can later accept a 20'' chuck...

[kalypso123]

I thought about hooking up an old hub, and I envisioned a radial saw ( w/ a thin metal cutting blade ) on a pivoting arm that would lean towards the barrel and slice it. the assembly would have to be welded and squared to perfection to make sure it was true, but I like the idea of building something that will work.

[silviaks2nr]

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l55/Kevin_Doe/RX-7/Wheelmountingfixture1.jpg

^ good read on this guy's method Project - More Rubber - The Autocross Forum (http://www.autocrossforum.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=7910&st=0)

I machined some aluminum wheels for a concept model using a similar, but much more rudimentary method. Of course the wheels for the model were only like 4" in diameter, not 18"+ too.

[kalypso123]

yea, he's got it down.

[Neteru]

any info on weather or not lips can be added/welded into wheels that don't come from the factory with lips? (material aside) wheels like TE37's, AME SPORTS FS-01, etc?

[Dunkz]

Just built up a set of OZ futuras for a mate. New rear lips in 3.75" making the rears 11.75" wide, fronts are 9.5". Tyres got put on today so fitting time tomorrow. :)

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad62/dunkzs13/blog/futura5.jpg

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad62/dunkzs13/blog/futura3.jpg

[Otto347]

http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l55/Kevin_Doe/RX-7/Wheelmountingfixture1.jpg

I wish he would have shown what he cut them on. My friends old shop had some lathes in it you could chuck a 24" wheel into but like atutt said, they are money and about the size of a tank.

[Quail]

Dunkz, did you use Titanium Touch? How do you rate their service?

[Dunkz]

Dunkz, did you use Titanium Touch? How do you rate their service?

Awesome, really good company to deal with. Used them loads of times now. Always give me a good discount. :)

[ezza]

dunkz dont suppose these are the same wheels are they?

I mean the actuall ones?

http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq75/stiffi101/ff3f1dc5.jpg

[Dunkz]

dunkz dont suppose these are the same wheels are they?

I mean the actuall ones?



Nope, not the same dude, they never had as much dish as that when Stu picked them up. Thats why we bought wider lips and put the rear lips on the front barrels. Got them onto the car on saturday. 12J rears 9.5 fronts

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad62/dunkzs13/blog/stu2.jpg

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad62/dunkzs13/blog/stu4.jpg

[Neteru]

can Anyone answer my question??? :squint:

[Nicksx]

flame me all you want but i think some s13 se's polished with a 3" lip added would look baller thats just me though.

te37's with lips added?

[Flicktitty]

i have a set of 15x7 0 Offset Epsilon mesh wheels. if i wanted to get them widened an inch or two they would do it from the back im assuming making it a more negative offset correct? is there a way to do it to where it could become positive?

[Mister.E]

adding width to the back side is going to make it more positive in offset.

[blueshark123]

i have a set of 15x7 0 Offset Epsilon mesh wheels. if i wanted to get them widened an inch or two they would do it from the back im assuming making it a more negative offset correct? is there a way to do it to where it could become positive?


it will actually become more positive if added in the barrel not lip

edit: damn u beat me ^

[Flicktitty]

adding width to the back side is going to make it more positive in offset.

it will actually become more positive if added in the barrel not lip

edit: damn u beat me ^
Thank you, it's been a long day already.

[Quail]

Nope, not the same dude, they never had as much dish as that when Stu picked them up. Thats why we bought wider lips and put the rear lips on the front barrels. Got them onto the car on saturday. 12J rears 9.5 fronts



That rear fitment is bloody spot on. Know the offsets by any chance? I'll be making my Meisters wider with Titanium Touch I reckon.

Fronts are a bit crazy!!

[chiboy002]

wouldn't you have to take away from the backside of the barrel and add to the front to make it more negative?

[Mister.E]

no because you are making the wheel wider but not changing the position of the face relative to where it started. thus adding more wheel to the outer lip will push the face in relative to the wheel's new width.

[GabeS14]

wouldn't you have to take away from the backside of the barrel and add to the front to make it more negative?

no because you are making the wheel wider but not changing the position of the face relative to where it started. thus adding more wheel to the outer lip will push the face in relative to the wheel's new width.

I think you both said the same thing:(

[blueshark123]

I think you both said the same thing:(


no he said something else i get what e-double said. People need to understand how offset works when widening wheels.

[Mister.E]

glad someone understands my gibberish. it's hard to explain the concept of wheel offset to people online; much easier in person.

[Dunkz]

That rear fitment is bloody spot on. Know the offsets by any chance? I'll be making my Meisters wider with Titanium Touch I reckon.

Fronts are a bit crazy!!

I'll need to double check as I can't remeber now, It's got a 265 tyre but we could only pull the arch so far as its rotten, gonna have to go for over fenders to get the wheels stood upright again as there's a lot of camber on it. I'll drop you a pm when I find out. Front fitment was extra spacers as a test to see where it would go as its gonna need front arches to match the rears, its not actually running like that. :)

I'll drop you a pm.

[GabeS14]

no he said something else i get what e-double said. People need to understand how offset works when widening wheels.

they both said the same thing lol, i read it 10 times.. one asked if taking away from the back side and adding to the front would lower offset, the other responded with no, but then went ahead and said you need to add to the front lip to lower offset, so yes, they said the same thing.
overall they both meant that adding more lip lowers offset.
because you are comparing the location of the center piece in relation to the new overall size of the wheel.
so if you had 5 inches of rim on inside barrel and 3 on outside your offset would be XX and if you reduced the size of the inner barrel and increased the size of the outer barrel, you would now have -x offset(lower)

[dwnshft2drft]

Is there a such thing can change from 16" to 17" or 18" diameter?

[Mister.E]

i just re-read it again, he is asking if you HAVE to take away from the backside and then add to the front side to make it more negative; and the answer is NO, you do not. Simply adding more material on the front side will make the wheel's offset more negative relative to it's new width.

[fckillerbee]

wow...offset is really easy to understand.

it's measured in correlation to the center of the wheel. 18x8 0 offset (4 inches on each side of center)
18x10 0offset (5 inches on each side of center)

add one inch to the face of 18x10 now equals 18x11. a zero offset will have 5.5 on each side of center. If the mounting point was zero offset at 18x10, adding one inch changed the location of where the center of thr rim is. Now you have to measure from center (0 offset) to the location of the mount (which was zero offset on a 18x10 now 18x11) in which 25mm equals about an inch, you should have a rough -12 offset (add one inch is half an inch on either side of center (zero offset).

offset is measure from center to the mounting position. Measure in mm. positive offset if mount is past the center (less lip, more back spacing) and negative is opposite (more lip, less backspacing).

I hope this helps ;D

[Mister.E]

if you add an inch only to the front wouldnt the new mounting position essentially be 25mm less than what it was before? now making your 18x10 +-0 wheel into an 18x11 -25.

im having trouble seeing how adding an inch (25mm) to the front is only going to effect the mounting position by 12mm...

[Dunkz]

Is there a such thing can change from 16" to 17" or 18" diameter?

Yes, but that gets expensive, if you had centers from a flat dish 17" wheel it's possible that you'd be able to put stepped lip onto it from an 18" but that means new barrels and lips.

[blueshark123]

heres a thread that sort of explains sizes of relipping How to build your BBS RM and RS - Bimmerforums - The Ultimate BMW Forum (http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1279497)

[GabeS14]

if you add an inch only to the front wouldnt the new mounting position essentially be 25mm less than what it was before? now making your 18x10 +-0 wheel into an 18x11 -25.

im having trouble seeing how adding an inch (25mm) to the front is only going to effect the mounting position by 12mm...

but all in all his analogy of offset was correct..
i suck at math and wont try to verify it lol..but he did make it sound simple to the guys who were arguing about it.

[blueshark123]

if you add an inch only to the front wouldnt the new mounting position essentially be 25mm less than what it was before? now making your 18x10 +-0 wheel into an 18x11 -25.

im having trouble seeing how adding an inch (25mm) to the front is only going to effect the mounting position by 12mm...


its simple since ur making the wheel a inch wider the new center of the wheel has changed which effects the offset. Since you now have changed it by 25mm u need to divide it in half so u get 12.5mm and subtract it from the offset. This is why when u get a 25mm spacer ur only adding the 25mm because the wheel center didnt change just the hub of the rim. its like adding 25mm to the front and taking it from the back barrel pushing it out 25mm.

So in the end no matter what you will still have the wheel stick out 25mm more using either method but offsets willl be different.

Simple as this dont think of being more flush because u have low offest wheels because similar size wheels with same offset can have different fitment because we need to consider what the backspace is and the hub of the wheel where it attaches to the cars hub

ahhh it fucking sucks trying to explain this to someone not in front of you

[95KA-Turbo]

if you add an inch only to the front wouldnt the new mounting position essentially be 25mm less than what it was before? now making your 18x10 +-0 wheel into an 18x11 -25.

im having trouble seeing how adding an inch (25mm) to the front is only going to effect the mounting position by 12mm...

You understand what is happening but your math is wrong.

10 +0...adding 25mm on the outside will make it fit like a 10 -25 would fit.

BUT

The wheel is wider so you have to take the overall width and calculate the new offset.

So, as a mini recap, it was a 10 +0, 25mm larger lips were added - so the inside fitment stayed the same. That means you can use the wheel offset calculator to check your math quite easily:

http://i54.tinypic.com/5mcvir.png

So you can see that with the new width your wheel size will be 11 -13 (actually -12.5 if you want to get picky) and that will fit ~25mms further out then the 10 +0.

[Mister.E]

FMFL LOL

and i thought i had it all down. sometimes offset blows my freakin mind! thanks for sorting that out, im pretty sure i get what you guys are saying now.

[GSXRJJordan]

^^^ 95-KA Turbo has it exactly right.

I used to try and explain all this when working at Savini (3pc custom forged wheels), people didn't get it at all.

[Mister.E]

i get it now. i dont know why i didnt go to the damn wheel calculator to start with.

[95KA-Turbo]

I spent a good 15-20 mins trying to figure out what my RSs would be with new lips and I was like OMG I can use the wheel offset calculator!!!!! It saved a whole lot of headache because I basically had no way of checking if my math was right.

[Mister.E]

yeah, i always forget about that thing. sometime in the future im gonna see if i can get a set of XD-9's widened and that will be a big help.

[fckillerbee]

^^^ 95-KA Turbo has it exactly right.

I used to try and explain all this when working at Savini (3pc custom forged wheels), people didn't get it at all.


I know what you mean. I sell all kinds of wheels. And I get that questions so much. And I fucking hate when people see a car...and they don't know anything about it, but want it to look like what they saw. lol. Total waste of fucking time.

yesterday I had some retard wanting to put 22's on a Acura TSX. 22x9's!!! I told him it wouldn't fit...and then he said..well i'm gonna lift the car.

i wanted to throw up on the inside.

[TTnickdizzle]

I dont know if its been covered already, but can you widen cast wheels like Varrstoens? I have a pair of 10.5 +0s that i would love to make 11.5s or 12s. If so where do they get the material to make the other 1.5" of barrel?

[95KA-Turbo]

Unless you're a fabricator I'd recommend getting ahold of someone who welds wheels for a living. I believe there is a dude in CA listed in this thread, not sure which page though. I know you can weld cast metal in general, just not sure about cast wheels.

[95KA-Turbo]

I thought I'd add in here that VR Wheels makes replacement lips for VS-XX and Work Equips now too! I just emailed them to ask if they can make custom bolt pattern lips, hopefully they can so I can just build random pairs of wheels hahaha.

http://www.vrwheels.com/images/A_6425.JPG

Only 195 a lip for 17X4s!!!!


http://www.vrwheels.com/aftermarket-replacement-lip-c-117.html

[icedsole]

^ thats a good price, wish i was 3 piece glws

[GSXRJJordan]

Only 195 a lip for 17X4s!!!!

That's double what they cost in 18, 19, and 20. I'm sure they're making a killing. Is that chrome or polished?

[Mister.E]

Man, i wish they sold stepped lips for Meisters.

[95KA-Turbo]

That's double what they cost in 18, 19, and 20. I'm sure they're making a killing. Is that chrome or polished?

Pretty sure they're polished. Where can you get 18X4" lips for 100 bucks?

[GSXRJJordan]

Pretty sure they're polished. Where can you get 18X4" lips for 100 bucks?

I worked at a custom forged wheel company, we bought forged/spun polished 19" and 20" outers for around $100, raw inners were $75-$100. Chrome was like $120.

We never did 17" or 18", but those were cheaper by $10 or $15. It's just really hard to sell $1000+ 18" wheels nowdays, so we never did 3pc in 18".

I know not everyone can place a $10k order or wheel parts, but I'm just saying, they're making some money. As long as their customer service is good I'd say it's still a good deal.

[95KA-Turbo]

How does one get a job working for a wheel company? I am not sure if its healthy for someone obsessed with wheels to work for one, lol.

[GSXRJJordan]

How does one get a job working for a wheel company? I am not sure if its healthy for someone obsessed with wheels to work for one, lol.

I found them through SEMA. They needed an account manager/sales/internet guy and I thought I'd enjoy having a job while doing the Jordan Innovations thing.

I thought wrong, work sucks. Own companies, acquire currency, disregard females. Plus they moved locations and I was driving over an hour to work, hour and a half back. FUUUUUUUUUCK that.

Check the SEMA job board for stuff in your area.

[ezza]

I thought I'd add in here that VR Wheels makes replacement lips for VS-XX and Work Equips now too! I just emailed them to ask if they can make custom bolt pattern lips, hopefully they can so I can just build random pairs of wheels hahaha.

http://www.vrwheels.com/images/A_6425.JPG

Only 195 a lip for 17X4s!!!!


Aftermarket replacement lip : VR Wheels WebStore, Presented By VR Motoring (http://www.vrwheels.com/aftermarket-replacement-lip-c-117.html)

Im going to assume that rezax share the same pcd as equip's?

[:: Gusto ::]

mmm id like to widen some 18x10s i just picked up...

[Neteru]

Own companies, acquire currency, disregard females.

This man speaks truth.

[K_style]

Nvmd.... .

[madngineer]

I thought I'd add in here that VR Wheels makes replacement lips for VS-XX and Work Equips now too! I just emailed them to ask if they can make custom bolt pattern lips, hopefully they can so I can just build random pairs of wheels hahaha.

http://www.vrwheels.com/images/A_6425.JPG

Only 195 a lip for 17X4s!!!!


http://www.vrwheels.com/aftermarket-replacement-lip-c-117.html



Hey, can these rear barrels be used as front lips on a 3 piece rim? thanks

[kalypso123]

Work sucks. Own companies, acquire currency, disregard females.

quoted again

[cardoza]

Hey, can these rear barrels be used as front lips on a 3 piece rim? thanks

That is a front lip...

[GSXRJJordan]

Yeah these are 'reverse mount' 3pc wheels, like virtually all wheels with lip. The rear has the drop center for mounting tires.

This man speaks truth.

quoted again

Haha, glad you guys enjoy that!

[madngineer]

[QUOTE=GSXRJJordan;4130499]Yeah these are 'reverse mount' 3pc wheels, like virtually all wheels with lip. The rear has the drop center for mounting tires.

Can a rear barrel like the one below be used as a lip? thanks

http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o100/madngineer/lip.jpg

[cured13]

$200 for brand new 3.5" lip is a friggin sweet deal -->Aftermarket replacement lip : VR Wheels WebStore, Presented By VR Motoring (http://www.vrwheels.com/aftermarket-...lip-c-117.html)

For the rear barrel mounted as a front lip you'll have to drill the hole for the valve stem

[icedsole]

anyone know of a boss wheel place that will split my 2 piece and put a new lip on...

?

[TougeSC3]

Why is everything always located out in Cali? This thread makes my wheel shopping so much damn easier.

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[K_style]

Why is everything always located out in Cali? This thread makes my wheel shopping so much damn easier.

Sent from my HTC EVO 3D using Tapatalk

Then imagine how I should feel after moving out of Cali and regretting so much !!

[R33E8]

Has anyone tried widening stock s14 SE wheels to about 9-10"? What kind of spacers will I need to clear the suspension?

[GabeS14]

anyone know of a boss wheel place that will split my 2 piece and put a new lip on...

?

yea wheelflip.com I believe they charge $200 per lip, up to 7' wide.
if you do inside and outside barrels itll be $400 of course

[icedsole]

^ hey dude, i actually got a local place to split them. and am going to order equip lips from vr wheels. then put them together like a 3 piece wheel.

i kind of want my fronts widened to 10s or 9.5 tho. hmm

[NoPistons!]

You can't...its like buying ebay intercooler piping and trying to TIG it.


Lmao. That's sig worthy.

[duppydem]

I thought I'd add in here that VR Wheels makes replacement lips for VS-XX and Work Equips now too! I just emailed them to ask if they can make custom bolt pattern lips, hopefully they can so I can just build random pairs of wheels hahaha.

http://www.vrwheels.com/images/A_6425.JPG

Only 195 a lip for 17X4s!!!!


Aftermarket replacement lip : VR Wheels WebStore, Presented By VR Motoring (http://www.vrwheels.com/aftermarket-replacement-lip-c-117.html)
can those lips work on the misters?

[Eyegazm]

Donuts?
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2497/dsc02286hj.jpg
http://img479.imageshack.us/img479/1849/dsc02123oi.jpg
via TokyoNights

[Eyegazm]

http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/8074/dsc02257vm.jpg
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[misterdumby]

personally that makes me want to stab my eyes out

[Mister.E]

Please stab mine out first and then proceed to do whatever you'd like with yours. That is extremely ugly.

[Dolph_KYAS13]

^ i bet they balance mint haha

[maplejesse]

why did he make them too wide

[Eyegazm]

lol beats me, found it on google!

[joel903]

I know this thread is a few months old but I want to ask some simple questions that's been on my mind as I'm in the process of widening my vsxx.

Why does everyone keep trash talking vrwheels bolt on replacment lips for the vsxx, equip, etc ? Are they really that bad and cheap? Fitment issues? Longevity and strength compare to original Work lips?

I hope someone who rebuilds rims on here chime in as I want a experts opinion.

[memphis180sx]

hey anybody know the tourqe specs for work wheels by chance before i ask them and have to wait a week

[Lukasss]

I picked up some Equip M1s
Currently the front is weak as fuhh, 18x9 et 35 with a 2' lip

So, im buying 3' lips off a buddy of mine who took them off his VS-XX's
After re-lipping, am I correct in saying the new size will be 18x10 et 23?

[essforteen]

et 22 but yea you are correct!

[Lukasss]

Alright cool, just wanted to reassure myself lol

aslo, im not a huge fan of the lips on the rear, but is there a particular name for them?
you can see where the surface is raised then drops down again


http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7021/6618088959_97f9a414b4_z.jpg

[jdizzy204]

the 3 parts of a 3 piece wheel are: Lip, Face and Barrel.

Are you referring to the Barrel of the front wheels or the lip on the rear wheels?

If you are referring to the barrel, it has to be stepped like that in order to dis/mount the tires since the lip is flat

[icedsole]

lukas i think they are 1st gen lips. my friends 5 spoke equpis have them too, but his are like 6 inch.

[Lukasss]

lukas i think they are 1st gen lips. my friends 5 spoke equpis have them too, but his are like 6 inch.

Ah gotcha gotcha, i couldnt find anything on what they were actually called
thanks mang

[alexisthemovie]

I know this thread is a few months old but I want to ask some simple questions that's been on my mind as I'm in the process of widening my vsxx.

Why does everyone keep trash talking vrwheels bolt on replacment lips for the vsxx, equip, etc ? Are they really that bad and cheap? Fitment issues? Longevity and strength compare to original Work lips?

I hope someone who rebuilds rims on here chime in as I want a experts opinion.

As long as you are buying new parts from them, they should be good. Just make sure they are 6061-T6. Or order from us. :)

My company offers all types of wheel customization but specializes in rebarreling/resizing wheels. Let me know if you guys need any replacement lips/barrels or want us to do the work. We have done a few sets for Zilvia members.

One thing to remember is that all wheels are different and many require machine work or prior experience with knowing measurements and construction types.

[alexisthemovie]

Some pictures...

http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6070/6127760791_fb44ca7a53_b.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6085/6128308732_e1000aab31_b.jpg
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6069/6128309036_cebeffa5c5_b.jpg
http://fatlace.com/lacedup/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/s30.jpg

Custom SANDWICH mounted and stepped Work VS-XX
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6160/6139394415_328675d139_b.jpg

Custom SANDWICH mounted SSR Vienna Kries and converted to 20 holes. Compare it with the front wheel which is original top mounted and 45 (?) holes.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6240/6275903600_92a6028d0a_b.jpg

More Vienna Kreis
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6116/6275904498_59a82fd45d_b.jpg

Kenstyle Locksmice Duke
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6105/6275906056_b317a7384f_b.jpg

Custom step lipped SSR Agle Strusse. I think it's the only set in the world to be stepped.
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6060/6275907328_0cef9b85bd_b.jpg

3-piece M7
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6060/6275384475_662d7e3afc_b.jpg

Auto Couture widened for Ken Gushi's Lexus GS
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7170/6496337131_96a1b87c53_b.jpg

Widened CCW LM20, custom sandwich mounted, 24k faces, caps, and bolts.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7143/6503261329_d28ebc153a_b.jpg

Custom engraved lips.
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7034/6556871627_260c028b97_b.jpg

We can also turn 1-piece wheels into 2-piece, and much more.

[alexisthemovie]

Custom 3-piece sandwich mounted, REVERSE lip BBS LM's.

http://www.autofashionusa.com/blog/wp-content/gallery/fdlb11/fdlb11-102.jpg

[joel903]

Can anyone help with my question above?

[blueshark123]

Can anyone help with my question above?

My experience has been great with them. People do complain that work/volk etc original lips are stronger. but my lips for my bbs look and feel solid.

They look the same as some new german lips i have also that cost almost double. I wouldnt be surprised if they buy it from them honestly.

[alexisthemovie]

My experience has been great with them. People do complain that work/volk etc original lips are stronger. but my lips for my bbs look and feel solid.

They look the same as some new german lips i have also that cost almost double. I wouldnt be surprised if they buy it from them honestly.

Their new lips are actually made locally in the U.S and are stronger and lighter than all Japanese made lips/barrels. I'll post more info about this later on our blog.

[nismostate]

glad to see this thread picking up.
finally put some tires on my rebuilt equips. i used vrwheels 3.5" and 4" lips. went from 18x7.5 et45 to 18x10 et ~25 and 18x10.5 et~0. forgot the exact offset #s

no problems so far!
http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/383160_10100112550774406_26503323_40253852_2126165 456_n.jpg
http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/381224_10100112959175966_26503323_40256524_1668737 230_n.jpg

[codyace]

Their new lips are actually made locally in the U.S and are stronger and lighter than all Japanese made lips/barrels. I'll post more info about this later on our blog.

I'm personally not into the big lip look on my own car, however the fact remains you guys do some spectacular work with those wheels. Nice stuff!

[red240]

Their new lips are actually made locally in the U.S and are stronger and lighter than all Japanese made lips/barrels. I'll post more info about this later on our blog.

Sent you a message about some work

[joel903]

I picked up some Equip M1s
Currently the front is weak as fuhh, 18x9 et 35 with a 2' lip

So, im buying 3' lips off a buddy of mine who took them off his VS-XX's
After re-lipping, am I correct in saying the new size will be 18x10 et 23?



shouldn't your new size be 18x10 +10? Cause you added 1inch extra and that's 25.4mm

[wyteboiii]

(Super zilvia flame suit on) I got some 17x10 +20 526's for colse to free. I dont really like them but wanted to stir the shit just by saying I should make the lips 6.25" from 4.25" just to fuck with people... 17x12 -10 526's lol Everyone would be like dude whear did you get those. Id be all like Enjuku sells them for 160, call them! LMAO!

[kalypso123]

that's a very Florida question to ask.

[blueshark123]

shouldn't your new size be 18x10 +10? Cause you added 1inch extra and that's 25.4mm

no your wrong its a bit less then -13mm less offset if you add a inch to the lip its +13mm if you add it the barrel. you need to understand how offset works.

[blueshark123]

http://cacky-wheels.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/IMG_0812c.jpg

done by cackywheels

[MidwestMyriad]

Custom CE into 2-piece wheel? ^

Whoa

[atom]

Man I remember always wanting to get R33 wheels and widening them. Might have to get on this shit. Live the dream.

[alexisthemovie]

Custom CE into 2-piece wheel? ^

Whoa

Many one piece wheels can be stepped this way. I'm currently stepping a set of SE37K's.

[joel903]

Please explain it to me cause you just got me totally confused. I thought I had it figured out but i guess not. I thought 1in = -25.4mm to original offset?


no your wrong its a bit less then -13mm less offset if you add a inch to the lip its +13mm if you add it the barrel. you need to understand how offset works.

[MidwestMyriad]

So you cut the inner section o the wheel out, then have barrels made, then have them heated to open them up a little more, insert wheel section into barrel, and finish weld?

[chiboy002]

that's a very Florida question to ask.
thats not even a question lol

plus i doubt xxr would respond well to a weld

[memphis180sx]

i live in fl and thats a horrible ?

[Lukasss]

you disgrace my famareeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[wyteboiii]

I didnt ask a question. I made a statment. Which you should be able to tell I like fucking with people

[Black R]

Thank goodness for this thread!

I hope to take some te37's in 15x8 and have them widened at the outside (re-lipped) to 15x11.

[blueshark123]

Please explain it to me cause you just got me totally confused. I thought I had it figured out but i guess not. I thought 1in = -25.4mm to original offset?


Ill explain later im just leaving work now.

[joel903]

Thank you!

[chiboy002]

I didnt ask a question. I made a statment. Which you should be able to tell I like fucking with people
you sound like someone with very few friends

[blueshark123]

Thank you!

Ok so I was going to explain it, But i remembered we already covered it on here so just read post#132 to #152 if you still dont get i will try to help again then. Also check out the link i posted somewhere there also.

[joel903]

I went back and read the post you mentioned. Thanks, now I know how to calculate offset.

Like if I were to take my 18x8 +45 vsxx with 2inch lip and 5.5 rear barrel and swap out the lip to a 4" lip. My new offset and size would be 18x10 +20?

[!Zar!]

Wouldn't a 5.5" barrel + 2" lip = 7.5"?

[joel903]

Yes that's correct on your part, but I just didn't list the face on there. The face adds .5inch

Rear barrel- 5.5"
Face- .5"
Lip- 2"

Equals 8" rim.

[aalbert240]

hey anybody know the tourqe specs for work wheels by chance before i ask them and have to wait a week

I thought i read some were its 17-20 lbs

[blueshark123]

I went back and read the post you mentioned. Thanks, now I know how to calculate offset.

Like if I were to take my 18x8 +45 vsxx with 2inch lip and 5.5 rear barrel and swap out the lip to a 4" lip. My new offset and size would be 18x10 +20?

yup sounds about right but just remember you are still adding 2 inches to the lip so the rim will fit like most 18x10 0 offest wheels fit

[c4lvin]

Yes that's correct on your part, but I just didn't list the face on there. The face adds .5inch

Rear barrel- 5.5"
Face- .5"
Lip- 2"

Equals 8" rim.

No, because VS-XX is face mount. Not sandwich, so they do not add the face width.

Either the barrel, or lip is wrong size or he's saying he wants a new 5.5" barrel.

18x8 +45 A-disk VS-XX is 6" barrel, 2" lip.

adding 4" lip = 18x10 +20. However, swapping to 5.5" barrel + 4" lip = 9.5 +13

[!Zar!]

That's what I thoughttttttttt

[Ciel]

We can also turn 1-piece wheels into 2-piece, and much more.

Oooo how about 57d's/Maximums? and how much :D

[alexisthemovie]

Oooo how about 57d's/Maximums? and how much :D

Go to The Place to Buy & Sell Wheels › WheelFlip.com (http://www.wheelflip.com/contact) and send an e-mail.

[joel903]

Thanks for pointing out to me that the VSXX is face mount and not sandwich mount like the equip, C4lvin. I went to measure the rim again and it is 2" lip and 6" barrel, my bad.

[turbo2nr]

any one know where i can get lips for work rims besides vr wheels?

i need 3" and 4" lips 36 bolt**

thanks in advance

[GabeS14]

Wheelflip.com

[LoneStarSilvia]

Is VRWheels.com the only place you guys know of to buy new wheel bolts from?

I'm refinishing a set of Stich Mesh's.

[alexisthemovie]

Is VRWheels.com the only place you guys know of to buy new wheel bolts from?

I'm refinishing a set of Stich Mesh's.

wheelflip.com/contact

Be sure to include the sizing you need. :)

[LoneStarSilvia]

Thanks, will give em a shout.

[c4lvin]

Thanks for pointing out to me that the VSXX is face mount and not sandwich mount like the equip, C4lvin. I went to measure the rim again and it is 2" lip and 6" barrel, my bad.

No problem

[Jspec603]

Question on 2 piece Starform wheels.

Picked a set up recently. Going to get the faces refinished and was also looking to get them re-lipped as well. I have an email into Wheelflip for a quote. Curious to see if anyone knows if the VR wheel lips would work on these if I had someone local split them? They are 36 hole face/lip, just not sure if everything would line up porperly. If the bolt diameter would be the same, etc.

If the lips would work, would they be safe to reassemble as a 3 piece and seal the inner barrel and lip with silicone? Basically convert them from 2 to 3.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee45/thejdmpartstore/FLIP/volkmeshrims013.jpg?t=1294869954

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee45/thejdmpartstore/FLIP/volkmeshrims016.jpg?t=1294869954

[turbo2nr]

+1 for wheel flip very help fully and good on price ill im working with them to get my new lips!

[c4lvin]

Question on 2 piece Starform wheels.

Picked a set up recently. Going to get the faces refinished and was also looking to get them re-lipped as well. I have an email into Wheelflip for a quote. Curious to see if anyone knows if the VR wheel lips would work on these if I had someone local split them? They are 36 hole face/lip, just not sure if everything would line up porperly. If the bolt diameter would be the same, etc.

If the lips would work, would they be safe to reassemble as a 3 piece and seal the inner barrel and lip with silicone? Basically convert them from 2 to 3.

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee45/thejdmpartstore/FLIP/volkmeshrims013.jpg?t=1294869954

http://i230.photobucket.com/albums/ee45/thejdmpartstore/FLIP/volkmeshrims016.jpg?t=1294869954

These look like 3 piece to me. The barrel and lip are not welded it doesn't look like.

Unless if the face is same piece as barrel and lip goes on top (like RMs) which doesn't look like it either.

[Jspec603]

The Lip and the barrel are welded, the face will unbolt. However, I took one of the valve stems out and you can see the 2 sections (barrel and lip flange) sandwiched together. So it goes face, lip, barrel.

I want to just have someone cut the weld on a lathe or something, get new lips and reassemble as a 3 piece. Is this a plausible scenario?

[c4lvin]

The Lip and the barrel are welded, the face will unbolt. However, I took one of the valve stems out and you can see the 2 sections (barrel and lip flange) sandwiched together. So it goes face, lip, barrel.

I want to just have someone cut the weld on a lathe or something, get new lips and reassemble as a 3 piece. Is this a plausible scenario?

Has it been done before with success? Yes. You have to know what you're doing as to not compromise the integrity of the metal you're cutting and/or rewelding.