toe and traction rods help

[poshatch]

hey everybody, i was at the track this last weekend practicing and i noticed that my speed dramatically drops down after entering till it is at this sort of "max drift speed" and i hunger to keep it going faster, i dont want to particularly decrease my angle, although towards the end of the day i was doing that to increase speed

i has been suggested to adjust some toe in, and ive seen people adjust toe in and toe out, and ive read that toe out increases oversteer when throttle is let off can somebody confirm this and the effects of toe in on drifting?

been suggested also that i shorten my traction rods, i understand this gives it more "foreward bite" but id like to understand more how it actually would make the car maintain speed durring a drift?

thanks in advance for the help :trogdor:

[pacotaco345]

From my understanding (which comes from racing not drifting), toe in makes the car more stable at high speeds, and easier to control. Toe out makes the car feel more sensitive and twitchy, a lot of toe out can even make the car "scary" to drive. Oversteer = Scary in a fast car, so I would think that it increases oversteer when you take your foot off the gas. Hope that helps

[poshatch]

hey thanks for the input, the toe out thing does make sense and the toe in makes sense since the driving force is inwardly focused it seems like it would make it more stable since its orientation is centered, and out would make sense to be twitchy since is pulling away from the car

would you say toe in would increase the drifting speed?

and additionally the traction rods, shortening them i was lead to assume makes it bite foreward more which i guess would increase the direction the power would want to be put down corrrect? so chortening it would make it want to propel the car foreward more durring a drift i.e. increaseing drifting speed?

[Z33dori]

toe in will increase speed, b/c it will give you more traction. But if you have to much traction then you will loose the power to spin the tires.... and you stop drifting

[poshatch]

yeah that makes sense, so just like every other adjustment there is an optimal range and so toe in can be tuned to give more tracion up to a point im assumming that running a crap load of negative toe would not be advantageous at all, so finding the correct toe in to allow for more traciton but not so much that i cant spin the wheels with my whole 150 hp is the key ok thanks a bunch

now that toe is settled i think i might try -.5 degrees toe in the rear as a starting point and see how that goes

any info on the traction rods anybody?

[!Zar!]

Camber in rear will also increase grip while sideways and give you more bite/forward traction.

[poshatch]

i think i am running an ok amount of rear camber for traction (-2.5 is what i have and i think around the correct amount), overall the car handles very very good when drifting the main problem is just it slows down way to fast, ill enter at the top of 2nd be it at 50 or 55 mph (skid pad dosnt allow for faster), hit it, and by the time im done with my sweeper, and going for the switch back i feel like im at roughly 35-40 mph, granted im using cheap tires just to tear up so i think grippier tires are in order but i would like to experiment with things that are free (such as alignment specs) to try to aid first, then go into more expensive compounds

thanks for the input all of it is greatly appreciated

[C. Anderson]

Try -1 or 0 degree camber. It makes all the difference.

[poshatch]

Try -1 or 0 degree camber. It makes all the difference.

really?! thats amazing i didnt know that grip would be improve by running so little camber, im affraid of what your gonna say about my front haha

-5.5 degrees front camber haha, i cant currently cause my tires are already pretty flush as it is not super flush but rubs slightly under heavy cornering