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aeontony
07-12-2003, 01:05 PM
(With the SR, of course)

I've been reading Tsuchiya's FR techniques book, and in the last section he rates all the FR cars based on his own personal criteria-e.g. handling, price, upgradeability, practicality..(GTR included, because I guess it's RWD most times).

Here's a rundown:
Supra-90%
Soarer (SC400)-85%
Toyota MarkII Tourer V-98%
180SX-85%
Skyline GTS-80%
Skyline GTR-90%
Z32-85%
Miata-90%
RX-7-85%
Legacy RS-85%
Cappucino-85%
Beemer 318is-85%
Porsche 911-90%
Ferrari F355-95%
NSX-R-98%

(drumroll..)
and the S14 gets-95%

On par with the F355, from this guy. Not bad from a professional driver..

He says, of the Siliva:
"The perfect car for learning FR"
"Easily acquirable, with a wide powerband, it's among the easiest to learn throttle control with (the Silvia)"

The minuses come with a slightly weak chassis/bushings and the S14's slightly bigger-than-necessary size.
Bill Roberts
07-12-2003, 01:29 PM
http://www.j-racing.co.uk/drivers/keiichitsuchiya.htm

http://www.driftclub.com/DriftKing.htm

http://www.sileightymania.com/journal/journal.asp


Just more good reads.
mistert
07-12-2003, 02:26 PM
is keiichi's book available in engrish? i really really wanna read it!
aeontony
07-12-2003, 06:00 PM
It's really a good read..but there is no English translation. I only discovered it at the back of some used Japanese bookstore..I had no idea he actually wrote books. Apparently Red Badge publishes a whole bunch of driving techniques book. Tsuchiya even wrote a secret to drifting book, also published by Red Badge. I also picked up a "Hashiriya Hero ni Naru Hon" (Becoming a Hashiriya Hero). Man..talk about a difference in cultures.
Dousan_PG
07-12-2003, 06:03 PM
hehe..i saw a few for sale at the bookstore (japanese one) a while back. i was going to buy them but why, i cant read japanese hahaha..it was a technique book as well.

thanks for the info aeontony! :)

i know S14 is 'the' drift car..ive read it/heard it from a few different sources. stiff chassis from the factory..espeicially the MCS14!
revat619
07-12-2003, 10:06 PM
S14 the drift car? Really? :confused: Aaron, please enlighten me.

My kouki doesnt seem all that stiff if at all. A LOT of body roll, man I need sway-bars so bad!
Dousan_PG
07-12-2003, 10:16 PM
your missing a big point

the chassis is stiff

build around that. suspension, sways.etc
you got a stiff chassis already..;)
revat619
07-12-2003, 10:25 PM
Oh yeah, duh. Chassis does not equal suspension....:bash:....i'm such an idiot. Sorry about that man.

I think it might be the sleep depravation. I'm comin up on 30 hours and it's starting to take its toll...
Dousan_PG
07-12-2003, 10:27 PM
no worries bro
get some sleep
get your car on the track next :p
hehe...
see you at dd7? u go to hyperfest? i sure as hell wasnt paying 15 bucks to watch!! haha..who won who won?
Anubis
07-13-2003, 03:58 AM
what about MR-2? I thought that was one of Tsuchiya's fav. cars.
aeontony
07-13-2003, 11:49 AM
It may be..but it's classified MR (hence the name).
aeontony
07-13-2003, 11:53 AM
But why does he have an NSX in there..
Hm..does anyone know if the Japanese NSX-Rs are actually front engined?
Dousan_PG
07-13-2003, 12:01 PM
no they are MR
but i've seen keiichi drift 100% stock NSX like it was a s14/s13..etc

its insane
he loves that car.
doriftokouki
07-13-2003, 01:56 PM
MCS14!!!! YA!!!!!!!!!! :D
nissan slut
07-13-2003, 02:28 PM
hey dous what exactly makes the mcs14 better then regular s14?
pruto
07-13-2003, 04:02 PM
from what i've been told, the zenki s14 was made with weight saving holes in the chasis body, while the kouki s14 lack these. The difference is, zenki s14s are lighter, kouki s14s have a stiffer chasis.IRC the weight difference was around 100lbs.

there is probably other things done to it too but none that i'm aware of.
Ryan of Velocity
07-13-2003, 04:11 PM
Haha, my favorite car got a 98%


"Toyota MarkII Tourer V-98%"
doriftokouki
07-13-2003, 07:36 PM
Originally posted by pruto
from what i've been told, the zenki s14 was made with weight saving holes in the chasis body, while the kouki s14 lack these. The difference is, zenki s14s are lighter, kouki s14s have a stiffer chasis.IRC the weight difference was around 100lbs.

there is probably other things done to it too but none that i'm aware of.

Cool, glad I got a base model 97 then! Stiffer chassis and still the same weight as a zenki SE, best of both worlds!
BuryTheNeedle
07-14-2003, 03:19 AM
Where is the Hachi in all of that??? Thats one of his fav cars.
Dousan_PG
07-14-2003, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by BuryTheNeedle
Where is the Hachi in all of that??? Thats one of his fav cars.


dood
stock hachis are the SUCK
i drove a few..WOW are they pure crap
see the beauty of a hiach is, sucks for handling but if you can do it RIGHt, its vrey rewarded

someone who can drive excellent in a hachi is more likely a great driver all around. every hachi owern i speak with tells me that they suck but they multiply your error by A LOT. so you really see where you suck. so over time you improve.


stock: slow, handle like crap

modified and w/ a great driver: can be an awesome car

hachi i drove..wow, what a disappointment (100%) stock.
now built hachis (ridden in) with a great driver..CRAZY
BuryTheNeedle
07-14-2003, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by dousan36
dood
stock hachis are the SUCK
i drove a few..WOW are they pure crap
see the beauty of a hiach is, sucks for handling but if you can do it RIGHt, its vrey rewarded

someone who can drive excellent in a hachi is more likely a great driver all around. every hachi owern i speak with tells me that they suck but they multiply your error by A LOT. so you really see where you suck. so over time you improve.


stock: slow, handle like crap

modified and w/ a great driver: can be an awesome car

hachi i drove..wow, what a disappointment (100%) stock.
now built hachis (ridden in) with a great driver..CRAZY

Sorry, i didnt know he was just comparing cars that were stock.
Dousan_PG
07-14-2003, 03:42 AM
pretty sure but not 100% sure.
reading the list, all thsoe cars stock are pretty impressive in one way or another.

nothing really impressive for ae86 comes to mind...
BuryTheNeedle
07-14-2003, 03:43 AM
Whats a Cappucino then?
boro240
07-14-2003, 04:14 AM
http://www.cabrionews.de/katalog/suzuki/capu/capus.jpg
Suzuki Cappucino

Front-engined, Fwd.
Inline-3, dohc, 4v/cyl, turbo.
64 hp, 76 lbft tq
700 kg
Top Speed 93 mph
0-60 mph 11.3 sec

i dont know why its on the list, its FF. Legacy too, thats AWD. (that and the NSX-R, which is MR, but already mentioned).
AKADriver
07-14-2003, 08:41 AM
Cappis are FR, not FF. Tiny things but they look like insane amounts of fun. SO LIGHT!

http://www.suzuki-cappuccino.com/images/techcappo.gif
Mr.AppLe
07-14-2003, 08:58 AM
the mr-2 AND Nsx is -MR- The article only states -FR
drift freaq
07-14-2003, 11:22 AM
funny thing is every car he listed is only covers the last ten years or so of production. There are some cars from the 70's and 80's that are quite competitive and right up there with the cars he listed. People , this is one professionals opinion. I would not take it as gospel in the least. IMHO:D