Damn New Cars, So Fast

[Coldsun]

This is a topic me and my friend were talkin about the other day in which new cars are so #### fast now... I guess its a good thing but it sucks for most cuz now the people that have been modding there cars for a nice while are playing catch up to people that jus went out and brought a car yesterday....
Between the WRXs, RSXs, and the SE-Rs, even Focus SVTs and stuff like that gots speed... the other day my friend told me that he rode in his girls new sentra and it was pretty quick, i hope he meant the se-r cuz getting smoked by a stock sentra is enough to make a grown man cry

Anyway i am writing this cuz jus the other day me and my friend were out jus cruising around in the H22a powered accord, and we came up onto this light and there was a new altima there, and you know it was a younger dude ,maybe in like his mid 20s and he gave us that look like lets do it, it was late so i was like cool... (before you guys start hating, jus realize i aint rev at him or anything it was jus one of those things were we realized it would be cool to race jus by looking at each other)  Anyway the light went green and ... JESUS CHRIST.... i know my car isn't the fastest car in the world but #### the altima was all over me.. i came out on top but it was a closer then i imagined definately, i dont think it was a v6 cuz i seriously think the v6 might have left me... anyway we hit another light then we jus went our seperate ways...
Well its not a big thing, i'ma have a new car eventaully, but its jus , #### these are stock cars and now when some dumb rich kid gets a new ride he will be able to talk shit to me and might even be able to back it up <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

what do you guys think about the new found hp craze in cars
-Sun

[bing]

i been crying abouthis for a while:

170hp toyota matrix?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>??

wtf. it has a 6 speed tranny too,

people in these and protoge5's and mp3's, civic si's, rsx, rsx-S's, and all kinds of others can put stickers on their cars and be fast, it's ssssoooooooo gay.

[jdms14]

thats why i mod my car. so i can beat those punk ass rich kids. they have a car that every one knows what they have but we have cars that come as a surprise. plus we have the satisfaction of our cars being OURS. no one else has the same.

[Coldsun]

Speaking of
them Matrix commercials are starting to piss me off!!!

its ehh, its ehh , ehh blueish, ehh!!!
damnit i'll tell you what it is, its a god #### wagon/hatch poop back *bleep* *BLEEP*!!!!!

[mrfly]

#### technology and research I tell you. The worst part is that a lot of these newer cars are getting higher horse with out turbos. S2000: 2.0l/240horse, Acura 3.2CL&amp;TL: 3.2l/260horse, Maxima 3.5l(i think?)/255horse. The WRX is the only turboed car I can think of really.

[200sx]

Ahhh yes... this is the OTHER encouragement I have for putting a 302 in an 85 200SX... a stock 4 cyl will NOT beat me. &nbsp;No contest. &nbsp;Even the turbos and V6's will have to work. &nbsp;On top of that, my 85 is like.. $50/ month to insure! &nbsp;AAHAHAHA!!! (Im only 23... insurance on anything newer than a 92 would kill me) &nbsp;And if you have spent 30 grand or more on your new sporty car, well you should beat me in a drag! If not, what did you spend the money for?! &nbsp;I figure I can build my car for about $2500. &nbsp;Bang for the buck I tells ya!

[twofortysx]

I just wish they'd bring the Silvia(240sx) back to the states with a serious power upgrade and same kick ass handling and style. &nbsp;If they bring one over, I will be on the list to buy so fast it won't even be funny. &nbsp;I love my s14, but if I could get an s15 or s16(if they go that route) with a nice power upgrade (like 240hp), I would be all over that. &nbsp;I would FIND a way to afford it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[crazycuban]

I don't know about you guys, but I don't have any problems with those cars...hehe...I love my SR20...

Anyways, the matrix/vibe is actually pretty slow - it has 180 hp and the 6 spd, but has really bad gear ratio problems. &nbsp;The celica has these problems as well - VVTL-i kicks in at 6000, but when you shift you have to shift at the fuel cut to put it at 6000 (if you go below, the celica isn't very fast). &nbsp;The matrix makes it impossible to get the right shift, because the ratios on the 6-spd remain the same, but the wheels are bigger...when you shift, you'll be down way blow VVTL-i, and the 2ZZ-GE (GT-S/matrix engine) is basically the same as the 140 hp corolla/celica GT engine below VVTL-i.

[thewholefnshow]

Exactly, a lot of the new cars have power, but it isn't translating to speed, it is not like anybody is building sub 7 second cars. I saw the RSX type s at the drag strip and was not impressed, the only fast car out there really is that WRX. And most people who drive it dont push it.

Just an aside, all the RSX's I see here are driven by middle aged women... I very rarely see anyone in there 20's in those... is it just me?

Oh, and all these fast cars don't have any torque, when they make one with torque I will worry. The New 2003 neon SRT will make them all look pretty bad though. 205 horse and 220 torque for 20 grand.... 5.9 second 0-60.

Right now they are saying its redline is 6000 but insiders say that is a joke, and that is would spin to 7k easy, they are just afraid it will make too much power. like 250 horses.. and they don't want that. Plus the turbo is supposedly only running 7 psi but is good stock to run 12-14 like the talons and mitsu's of the past... that is a scary concept. That car will embarras a LOT of ppl. It's projected numbers are already s2000ish.

[bing]

yeeh but neons blow heads at 25,000km...then again at 27,000km.

my girlfriend has a plymouth breeze, just a big neon, and she has had the heads done twice and she's at 120,000, thts domestics for ya...

plus it's a neon.

well, actually i'd drive a one, but i wouldnt brag about it.

[thewholefnshow]

Honestly, don't diss neons, they will beat us stock in sport trim. They used to blow head gaskets often for two reasons 1.) They were made of cork, they stopped that and replaced it with aluminum in the new models they don't blow anymore but yah, pre 98 they did a lot, and post 2000 they almost never do
2.) IF you pushed them cold they would blow, you had to wait for the engine to heat up. And neons are funny, they rock ass, or they had problems, it depended on what you had.

Anywyas, the neon srt is a 2.4 liter that was derived and then reworked completely from the pt cruiser. Lots of torque, very similar to our ka engine.

[ca18guy]

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Oh, and all these fast cars don't have any torque, when they make one with torque I will worry.
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Did you forget almost ALL of nissan's carline? &nbsp;The Altima, Maxima, SE-R, the 350Z coming out. &nbsp;All have more then enough torque.

PS A neon still looks like a neon even with alittle extra power :biggrin:

[Coldsun]

yea no doubt
i agree the the new eclispes cant come close to a 98 GSX and that the new celica Gsts aren't as fast as one would this a 180hp car would be...
but like ca18guy said there are alotta cars comin out with torque and speed
man i aint too scared, i will keep modding if needed, but damnit it aint fair, they are STOCK imagine them modded
-Sun


(Edited by Coldsun at 1:45 pm on Feb. 27, 2002)

[thewholefnshow]

HEY, I never forgot nissan, but I don't think of them when I think of these cars... my friend just ordered his ser, can't wait to try that thing, but lets speak generally here, in the land of the four banger torque is a four letter word... which is too bad.

[saga240]

yeap cars are getting way faster.. &nbsp;which is why i must scare the living daylights out of them when i install my T4.. &nbsp;

[Tuck&Poke]

WE NEED....TURBO! &nbsp;but yea theyre getting quick man. &nbsp;acura put out the 3.2cl type s six speed...####! &nbsp;and the *180*hp matrix is quick to. &nbsp;oh well im not givin up on my baby yet!

[DuffMan]

The matrix is slower than a stock 240sx, what are you people woried about?

[Coldsun]

God i hate them matrix commercials
stop mentioning them, the matrix is the least of my worries speed wise...
but i haven't seen a matrix race a 240sx so i dont know, they say it has 180hp... we'll either way like i said that still isn't scaring me... this is about the really problems, the cars that have alotta horses stock, adn look like they will have a after market
oh yea thank god Mazda is done with there commercials, i wanted to kill that #### ZOOM ZOOM kid

[whateverjames]

matrix is supposed to run mid 15's, i seriously doubt it will though. anyway. domestics are getting faster too, corvette and mustang especially. svt focus runs 16.1 it turns out, nothing to worry about. i'm honestly looking forward to the rsx type r. i like those toyota commercials, i like the music.

[s13240sxman]

Haha the Matrix the only thing us 240 people have to worrie about is the XRS with 180 HP and thats if your stock but still we have had them in at work for about two weeks now. They are selling like crazy and i have not had a chance to drive one yet but still one of the guys did and said there nothing great. The inside if that car is bad ass though. Not to fast but im liking the look. Sorry to bring it back up.

[Jeff240sx]

Are you people neglecting the new Hyundai Tibourons? &nbsp;Like 181 hp 6-speed FR cars.
Just another car to add to the mess of this FUCK R&amp;D! notion.
-Jeff

[Arcane]

back to the original topic of the post...what some people don't realize is the amount of respect and pride you get out of a car like ours, or in Coldsun's case, an accord...it takes time, effort and knowledge to get ours cars to a certain level...how much technical knowledge, skill and planning does it take to buy a car that is fast to begin with??? &nbsp;a real car enthusiast would respect a car's development from 165hp to 300 or 350hp...what kind of respect would you get from a car the starts off at 180hp and your only mod is a dinky ass air freshener because you can't afford to buy any performance products because the car payments for your $25,000 car, not to mention insurance payments, are sucking your wallet dry...when, on the othe side, with the same $25,000 you could invest that in a 240sx (or accord) and be running rings around any $25,000 car...just my 2...

[whateverjames]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Quote: from Jeff240sx on 10:13 pm on Feb. 27, 2002
Are you people neglecting the new Hyundai Tibourons? Like 181 hp 6-speed FR cars.
Just another car to add to the mess of this FUCK R&amp;D! notion.
-Jeff
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i'll worry about those when they start getting 0-60 times in the &quot;seven's&quot;. haha. the car magazine i have tested the 6 speed at 8.1 0-60. so you automatic guys need to watch out!

[Drifting Ricer]

Arcane is right about his comment.

But this is the real reason we all should be pissing our pants. The s15 will die this august along with the skyline GTR! Nissan doesn't care about it self anymore!

What's with all these NA Japanese cars? What happen to days of the boosted 4 bangers?

[91CRXsiR]

can't compete w/ technology

new cars = faster .. but hey cars are getting uglier and uglier and heavier and heavier..

celicas are pretty fast but i'd still rather have a older model celica RWD or a ALL -TRAC turbo 200HP

same w/ RSX id still rather have a 2nd gen TEG w/ a B17A

[SpoiledBoi]

my gfs mom got a 2001 LS 4 door (i think) saturn...man this makes me mad..i was driving the saturn, i lined up with a red 91-93 red 240sx with exhuast and black racing tripes...im pretty sure that guy could race, BUT...i power staled and did a burn out when the light turned green and took off at about 15mph till about 60And Imsure he didnt miss shift at all...and the winner....SATURN!??!?!?! yea i know, i was happy i won, but sad that, that 240sx is gonna be mine....

(Edited by SpoiledBoi at 5:16 pm on Feb. 28, 2002)

[MyFirst240SX]

Domestic Power. &nbsp;If u wanna talk about pretty Fast Newer cars look at the New, 38,000 dollar 390hp Mustang Cobra. the 405?hp 40,000 something Vette. and the Really expensive 75,000 500hp Viper. &nbsp; I'll stick with my 4 banger plus a T but u gotta admire the muscle...right?

[wavetwister]

the muscle has always been there in the domestics. i don't think we should be worried about the matrix, it most likely won't do much. anyways, look how ugly that thing looks. the svt focus is supposed to have around 220 hp or so with that jackson racing supercharger, but just wait until they make either a SC or turbo for the se-r spec v, what then? i think the se-r is going to be huge competitor for a while against these up and coming 4 bangers.

vw is even trying to get into the scene. they aren't do a good job because look at that beetle turbo s. only 180 hp? blah. i honestly think that's sad, i'd be mad if i bought a turboed car and it didn't even break 200 hp? i know the the ca1det only produces like 175 or so, but just slap on a bigger FMIC, and bigger turbo and you're set. i really don't think we should be worrying about these up and coming cars. i think in the heat of it all, companies are trying to spit out as amny &quot;high power producing machines&quot; that they forget to include the stability of the cars. look at the focus as one example, it breaks down quite a bit. but then again, it is ford. let's just see how long or how many problems will come out of the matrix once people start getting it. and wasn't there a big known problem with the tiburon as well? anyways, worries-schmurries. 240 will still be here holding its ground.

[junia]

The new Beetle turbo and the Golf turbo aren't bad at all if you're going to compare it to the CA18. &nbsp;There both 1.8 turbo. &nbsp;Imagine adding a larger intercooler a larger decent size turbo on that engine. &nbsp;Gotta be a pretty fun car to mess with

[MyFirst240SX]

I hope no body has already said these but......
Pontiac Sunfire H.O 2.4 195hp SC'd .(ive heard of a more powerfull stock model now tho)
Saturn SCX 1.9 DOHC Turboed estimated 300hp
Cavalier 263 Super Sport(looks pretty)
262.6 hp SC'd 228 bl-ft
If i went DOmestic it would be a 03 Cobra or a Vette. my 02 cents

[crazycuban]

Those aren't going into production...Honda built a 400hp gas electric hybrid...do you think that's gonna be built? &nbsp;No, and neither will hose.

[Coldsun]

speaking of Honda is dropping a civic hybrid that looks like its gonna be the ultimate, better styling then the insight (looks like a civic) and it gets incredible gas, incredible mpgs
honda gets my props for really chasing this fuel efficenty thing.. cu will most likely be slower then everything though