Vegans and "meat style" tofu

[kingkilburn]

So what's the deal with meat style tofu/soy product?
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If it is so wrong to eat meat why is it ok to want to eat meat so much you make your soy taste like fish?


Sounds like a hypocritical double standard to me.

[victorw210]

because meat flavored stuff doesnt kill animals.its not they are against the flavor of meat or not wanting to eat meat they just feel bad eating animals

[fishhouse]

but... thats what animals are for.

[revat619]

i eat soy/tofu products because they're less fattening than some of their meat counter parts, but i eat meat too.

As far as not eating animal products because you're killing animals....thats stupid. Cows arent slaughtered for their milk and chickens arent beheaded for their eggs and yet those fools dont eat those products either. FAIL. For the record, every vegan i know, looks like they're in the final stages of hepacanceraids type 7.

There are things that the human body needs that you cant get from anywhere else but meat.

[HalveBlue]

To each their own.

You don't feel like eating meat. Fine by me.

Just don't get all militant if I decide to chow down on a nice, juicy filet mignon.

LOL @ hepacanceraids type 7!!!

[kingkilburn]

If it is wrong to eat meat, to me, it is wrong to want to eat meat.

Eating meat style tofu is you wanting to eat meat but not having the balls to do so.

That is all my opinion btw.

[ronmcdon]

Well maybe it is about having the balls, maybe not.
(could be allergies to meat, self-righteousness, personal preference, etc).
Could be they dislike everything about meat and dairy products, but the flavor.
As another poster mentioned, to each and their own device.

Mock soy meat can be pretty good though.
Imo it doesn't taste the same, but not entirely different either.

[Siphter]

chicken-less chicken and beef-less beef is bomb.

"Cows arent slaughtered for their milk and chickens arent beheaded for their eggs and yet those fools dont eat those products either. FAIL."

vegans don't eat eggs because of the torture chickens are put through for the harvesting of said eggs (insert video link followed by "...and knowing is half the battle!"), same with cows milk, not to mention I never enjoyed drinking puss or blood with my milky "goodness", as a meat eater or no; speaking of milk though, find me a woman that is down with being impregnated and her babies taken away for eating just so I can suckle her tit milk dry and I will gladly indulge in the drinking of cows milk.

note: I do eat meat

[BustedS13]

vegans/vegetarians have mental deficiencies

[kingkilburn]

Siphter

Neither of those scenarios are always true. I have raised chickens and help raise dairy animals and see no problem with the two products.

Now if the case is that you don't like the process or industry then by all means don't buy from companies you don't like. I try to buy fair market coffee, chocolate, and tea for that very reason.


Edit: Milk and eggs are screened extensively for any contaminates. Each cow's milk is held separate from the others and checked to ensure it's quality before being mixed with the others. Cows do get infections from time to time but that is to be expected and any tainted milk is discarded.

[ronmcdon]

Bieng a Vegan on grounds that it hurts the animals is pretty absurd.
How can any civilized person live without eggs & cheese?
As if being vegetarian isn't restrictive enough.

Tried seeing how long I could be a vegetarian once.
Think I only lasted about 9-10 days before beginning to feel fatigued all the time.

[dpak]

If it is wrong to eat meat, to me, it is wrong to want to eat meat.

Eating meat style tofu is you wanting to eat meat but not having the balls to do so.

That is all my opinion btw.

(disclaimer : I am not a vegetarian nor am I a vegan. )

I disagree completely!

EVERYONE has wants and urges, but being able to maintain those urges shows one's level of maturity.
Not having balls? There's nothing hard about doing what you want,
especially when it's something so widely available and simple like eating meat,
but stopping yourself and putting your morals and beliefs before your impulsive needs requires "balls."

I don't like the idea of "fake meat" either,
but my friends tricked me into eating it and was pretty good! :)

[DALAZ_68]

For the record, every vegan i know, looks like they're in the final stages of hepacanceraids type 7.



LOL @ hepacanceraids type 7!!!

he wasnt lying, i know 2 vegans...jesus christ, they talk about having all this energy, but really they dont, they have to eat something every 2 hours or they collaps, give me a fucken steak and im good for 8 hours...lol



vegans/vegetarians have mental deficiencies

LOL

[fishhouse]

Men can get away with a Vegan diet a lot better than women. women need animal protein and blood and so on. it not healthy.

my sister is vegan and she has a whole shelf of supplements she needs cause she doesnt get shit from her food. which is totally bizarre. pretty much all she eats are boca burgers (which are kinda good) and pasta or a crazy pile of pan fried veggies with a shit ton of peppers.

if i could afford it i would eat strictly kosher/organic meats. but who the fuck has the money for that?

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The animals are already dead from a life they were bred for in the first place. It's a waste if they died and we didn't eat them. :p

[kingkilburn]

Even though I'm not a strict carnivore I can agree with those sentiments.

[Drift N Dragg]

but... thats what animals are for.

Your Statement is completely False.

Animals were NOT created for the Purpose of Food. They were turned that way by Man....

i eat soy/tofu products because they're less fattening than some of their meat counter parts, but i eat meat too..

Agreed, I do the Same..

As far as not eating animal products because you're killing animals....thats stupid. Cows arent slaughtered for their milk and chickens arent beheaded for their eggs and yet those fools dont eat those products either. FAIL. For the record, every vegan i know, looks like they're in the final stages of hepacanceraids type 7..

If you think about it, It's not all that Stupid, seems stupid but look at certian other areas that are simular.. ( not to bring religon in this.. ) but look at 7th Day of Venus, They do not eat anything that is a scavenger ( i.e. shell fish types, Catfish, Pig, etc ).. It's all about Ideology .. They don't eat anything with a Face or take there Byproducts .. Milk is produced by a Animal, Eggs are essentially a baby chicken. So in a way still a form of eating meat.

On my record, I know quite a few Vegans, and they are actually in great shape. They go to the Gym and look overall pretty well.

There are things that the human body needs that you cant get from anywhere else but meat.

That may have been true, but that has been corrected now. You can get what you need from Vitamins now. The people I know are not Pale or gross, all of them are in wonderful shape and more energy then me... They take vitamins and Protien Shakes..

But like anything else there is Pro's and Con's, People that do it right and people that do it Completely Wrong...



If it is wrong to eat meat, to me, it is wrong to want to eat meat.

Eating meat style tofu is you wanting to eat meat but not having the balls to do so.

That is all my opinion btw.

Ever heard of MSG? Monosodium Glutamate .. Very Common in Asian/Middle Eastern foods for the Reason that it has a reaction with your system. What it does is mimics the feeling of being full and making your body think its just eaten Meat.

You can't change evolution.. Your body craves meat... So to curve the Craving they use Meat Flavored Products..


vegans/vegetarians have mental deficiencies

People that post worthless Threads for the purpose of post Whoring have Mental Deficiencies .. Sound Familiar?

Bieng a Vegan on grounds that it hurts the animals is pretty absurd.
How can any civilized person live without eggs & cheese?
As if being vegetarian isn't restrictive enough.

Tried seeing how long I could be a vegetarian once.
Think I only lasted about 9-10 days before beginning to feel fatigued all the time.

Please See above..

Its not absurd... Another Human eating Another Human has to sound Very Absurd to you.. and it is.. Cutting down a animal for the pure reason of food is pretty absurd. Especially since we Harvest Animals now...

Do not get me Wrong, I eat Meat/Steak, but i do not like the way they are Slaugthered ..

Alot of People can Live without Eggs and Cheese... I do.. I also can not have Dairy Products of any type... I do Just Fine... I am not having any problems what-so-ever..

Again, Vegan is a Choice on how to live your life.. Thats all ... I have personally tried it and I had a hard time with it because of my lifestyle..

In Closing, its all just a choice.. You Eat Meat, its your choice, You are a Vegan .. Just choice.. You eat dirt, same thing..

/Just My 2 Cent's

[Brian]

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[SlideStyle180]

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[theicecreamdan]

Your Statement is completely False.

Animals were NOT created for the Purpose of Food. They were turned that way by Man....


No. Animals have been on the food chain for a lot longer than man has been around.

Who cares why people eat "fake" meat, I don't like it, but if that's what they want, cool.

[Drift N Dragg]

No. Animals have been on the food chain for a lot longer than man has been around.

Who cares why people eat "fake" meat, I don't like it, but if that's what they want, cool.

The way I meant it is in the Animal industry today, not the Food Chain Status..

[kingkilburn]

Its not absurd...Cutting down a animal for the pure reason of food is pretty absurd.

You sir are an idiot. How do you think the food chain has worked for millions of years. Something MUST eat something else. Our teeth and type of digestive tract is proof enough for me that we are meant to be carnivores. If you wish to not eat meat that is fine but don't cop out and eat fake meat to compensate and then bash those that do eat meat as if you are morally above us.

[ThatGuy]

Our teeth and type of digestive tract is proof enough for me that we are meant to be carnivores.

Actually, it proves we are meant to OMNIVORES.

We are designed to eat plants/grains AND meat.


Now, yes there are some valid points in this thread.

SOME parts of the food industry contain very harsh treatment of animals. For example, SOME egg producing chickens are kept in cages so small, that they cannot even move, except moving their neck to reach their food and water.

SOME cows are injected with steroids and such to produce larger cuts of meat, more milk, etc.

HOWEVER, this is not the "end all, no other choice, everything must be this way" of the food industry.

There are many consumers, myself included, that still eat a "normal" diet and attempt to avoid such products. I provide for a family of 6, and do so with "NON-CRUELTY" acquired products. We eat steak, we eat chicken, we eat eggs, we drink milk, etc, etc, etc. But we are conscious of where get it from.

I do not condemn anyone who has the made the choice not to eat pork, beef, chicken, fast food, pencil erasers, WHATEVER. I am just stating that there are other methods out there to achieve some of the same results.

[kingkilburn]

Actually, it proves we are meant to OMNIVORES.

We are designed to eat plants/grains AND meat.

Absolutely correct.

[ronmcdon]

Please See above..

Its not absurd... Another Human eating Another Human has to sound Very Absurd to you.. and it is.. Cutting down a animal for the pure reason of food is pretty absurd. Especially since we Harvest Animals now...

Do not get me Wrong, I eat Meat/Steak, but i do not like the way they are Slaugthered ..

Alot of People can Live without Eggs and Cheese... I do.. I also can not have Dairy Products of any type... I do Just Fine... I am not having any problems what-so-ever..

Again, Vegan is a Choice on how to live your life.. Thats all ... I have personally tried it and I had a hard time with it because of my lifestyle..

In Closing, its all just a choice.. You Eat Meat, its your choice, You are a Vegan .. Just choice.. You eat dirt, same thing..

/Just My 2 Cent's

I should have been more clear there, sorry.
Extracting dairy & eggs, I just don't see that being cruel to the animal.

Just seems unplausibe for those taking the extra step to become a Vegan (from a Vegetarian),
on the basis that it's cruel.

[Drift N Dragg]

You sir are an idiot. How do you think the food chain has worked for millions of years. Something MUST eat something else. Our teeth and type of digestive tract is proof enough for me that we are meant to be carnivores. If you wish to not eat meat that is fine but don't cop out and eat fake meat to compensate and then bash those that do eat meat as if you are morally above us.

Here you go Again... I was helping your point with a added point from me and you want to flex Your Internet Muscle Keyboard again..

I understand and KNOW how the food Chain works.. But we were Hunter Gather's if you really want to go back in time..

Meaning, as ThatGuy Pointed out, Berries, Grains, Planets, and Meats..

And if you BOTHERED to use the Internet, you will find out that Our bodys do not like to Disgest certians meats very well.. Meaning RED Meat... Takes longer to Digest and its Harsh on the Human Colon..

here is a Question for you:

You Eat Chicken Soup? Well that is what 0.3% Chicken and 10% Chicken Brooth, 60% Man Made Brooth, not Organic.. Hmmm that's Flavoring... Hmm really........ REALLY?? Hmm I wonder what is in Meat Flavored Tofu.. OMG... COULD IT BE..... NO WAY........ Flavoring! .. Lord Help Us All....

Next Time you post, make it Intelligent.. This calling Names is not useful or required, since you MISUNDERSTOOD what I wrote...

Have a Good Day!

I should have been more clear there, sorry.
Extracting dairy & eggs, I just don't see that being cruel to the animal.

Just seems unplausibe for those taking the extra step to become a Vegan (from a Vegetarian),
on the basis that it's cruel.

Ok, I understand what you were getting at now....

[revat619]

SOME parts of the food industry contain very harsh treatment of animals. For example, SOME egg producing chickens are kept in cages so small, that they cannot even move, except moving their neck to reach their food and water.

SOME cows are injected with steroids and such to produce larger cuts of meat, more milk, etc.

HOWEVER, this is not the "end all, no other choice, everything must be this way" of the food industry.

There are many consumers, myself included, that still eat a "normal" diet and attempt to avoid such products. I provide for a family of 6, and do so with "NON-CRUELTY" acquired products. We eat steak, we eat chicken, we eat eggs, we drink milk, etc, etc, etc. But we are conscious of where get it from.


EXACTLY. Thank you!

This is why being a vegan for purely anti-animal cruelty reasons is absolutely ignorant and absurd. If they've got other reasons ( health, religious, etc.) i can respect those.

But again, humans are omnivores. Meat is SUPPOSED to be part of our diet.

[DALAZ_68]

King Taco is so delicious right now while reading this thread...

[kingkilburn]

Here you go Again... I was helping your point with a added point from me and you want to flex Your Internet Muscle Keyboard again..

I understand and KNOW how the food Chain works.. But we were Hunter Gather's if you really want to go back in time..

Meaning, as ThatGuy Pointed out, Berries, Grains, Planets, and Meats..

And if you BOTHERED to use the Internet, you will find out that Our bodys do not like to Disgest certians meats very well.. Meaning RED Meat... Takes longer to Digest and its Harsh on the Human Colon..

here is a Question for you:

You Eat Chicken Soup? Well that is what 0.3% Chicken and 10% Chicken Brooth, 60% Man Made Brooth, not Organic.. Hmmm that's Flavoring... Hmm really........ REALLY?? Hmm I wonder what is in Meat Flavored Tofu.. OMG... COULD IT BE..... NO WAY........ Flavoring! .. Lord Help Us All....

Next Time you post, make it Intelligent.. This calling Names is not useful or required, since you MISUNDERSTOOD what I wrote...

Have a Good Day!

Our bodies are great at digesting cooked meat of all kinds. Our digestive tracts have changed to suit the cooked meat so we are no longer as well suited to eating uncooked meat.

As far as chicken soup goes the broth is made up of seasoning and connective tissue dissolved in water. If made correctly there are no "flavorings". When I make soup the only part "man" had any part in is chopping the veggies and throwing it in a pot with the chicken.

If you are wrong I'm calling you out. I don't care who's side you are on if it's wrong it's wrong.

Next Time you post, make it correct.


EDIT:
Where were you helping my point? A counter point does not help me.

[Walperstyle]

I am a firm believer if you eat plants, you don't care about the environment.

Tree huggers against tree eaters

[Brian]

lol at all the sickly looking people I see when I go to Trader Joe's.

[Drift N Dragg]

Our bodies are great at digesting cooked meat of all kinds. Our digestive tracts have changed to suit the cooked meat so we are no longer as well suited to eating uncooked meat.

As far as chicken soup goes the broth is made up of seasoning and connective tissue dissolved in water. If made correctly there are no "flavorings". When I make soup the only part "man" had any part in is chopping the veggies and throwing it in a pot with the chicken.

If you are wrong I'm calling you out. I don't care who's side you are on if it's wrong it's wrong.

Next Time you post, make it correct.


EDIT:
Where were you helping my point? A counter point does not help me.

Fine:

Looking at the Label, Want me to take a Picture?

Egg noodles (enriched durum semolina flour, whole egg) cream soup base: enriched bleached flour, partially hydrogenated soy bean oil, cornstarch, sea salt, cane sugar, hydrolyzed phosphate, silicon dioxide, disodium inosinate, disodium guanylate, lecithin, flavoring.

Red Meat:


The mainstream perspective in the United States is that red meat should be a very limited part of a healthy diet. This is primarily based on the fact that it contains saturated fat, which the American Heart Association says is the main dietary cause of high blood cholesterol.
Meanwhile, studies have linked red meat to a number of chronic diseases, including:

Breast cancer
Colon cancer
Prostate cancer
Heart disease
Conventionally speaking, it is because of findings like these that the common healthy diet mantra in the United States sounds something like this:
"The less red meat the better," says Dr. Walter Willett, professor of epidemiology and nutrition at the Harvard School of Public Health. "At most, it should be eaten only occasionally. And it may be maximally effective not to eat red meat at all."


Eating Red Meat: Once and for All, Is it Bad for You or Good for You? (http://www.sixwise.com/newsletters/07/07/18/eating-red-meat-once-and-for-all-is-it-bad-for-you-or-good-for-you.htm)

I am in no way saying its bad for you 100%, there are Good qualities about it.. Maybe you should slow your Roll alittle bit Mr. Offensive..

Apparently you Missed the point again... When I say RED meat, does not mean RAW or Slightly cooked.. Red Meat is Red Meat, whether RAW or COOKED .. But OMG, you Knew this Right?? Red Meat is aimed at Steak/Hamburger Style Meats, and why you ask? Because its RED ...

Thanks for Putting me on "BLAST" Worked out well for you, didn't it..

[kingkilburn]

I don't buy that shit. I made a point of saying I don't buy from industries I don't like. The only soup I buy is tomato and I pay close attention to what's in it.

I don't add "flavoring" to my food and I don't use all that stuff to make pasta either.

As far as red meat goes correlation is not causation.

I looks like it did work out well.

[Drift N Dragg]

Ok Dude... Play as you will .. I see the Direction you are taking this ....

Please Continue...

[kingkilburn]

Why do you think I bothered to type it?

[Brian]

Drift and Drg your bullshit meter is rising fast.
1%

[kingkilburn]

And this shit wasn't even about pro or anti meat.

The title should have been:
Meat is awesome. If you disagree you're a * Watch It *

lol

[theicecreamdan]

I'd wager that most of the connection between cancers and red meat is more closely related to all the processed shit people eat and not the meat itself.

[kingkilburn]

It calls a lot into question.
What were the methods used to gather the data?
What else did the people questioned eat and how much?
How in shape were those questioned?
In what form did they eat red meat?

For all I know they were all fat slobs sitting around eating slimjims all day.

[ronmcdon]

Well, red meats generally have more calories, saturated fats, etc.
All things equal, those things increase the liklihood you get obesity, heart problems, etc.
Of course it also varies person to person to some degree.

Think cancer is more difficult to understand.
I agree how the meat is processed, how the animals are raised, preparation of meat, may be a more significant factor.
Cancer is a lot more frieghtening than just about anything else imo.
You can lead an otherwise healthy life, but still die of it out of the blue.

[drftwerks]

Your Statement is completely False.

Animals were NOT created for the Purpose of Food. They were turned that way by Man....




You said "created" implying that you may be referencing the whole biblical creation theory, in which case - yes, animals were indeed created for the purpose of food and to assist man with work. If you were not referencing the bible, then i would imagine survival of the fittest would be enough reason to eat whatever you can kill or buy.

just sayin'

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