there is no god

[BustedS13]

if you disagree, post here and i'll call you a jackass.

http://imgur.com/d7vCL.jpg

[Mister.E]

i call bullshit!

WWRJD?

http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3199/raptorjesusbish.jpg

[shiftdrift]

haha, i don't believe in god, but i do believe in an afterlife. in gumbyland! gumBY!!!

[BustedS13]

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8128/raptorair8zu.jpg

[Aki180sx]

Its been said the people that do not believe in god fight him the hardest LOL!

I believe in god because there has never been an explanation that disproves him.
lets face it evolution is a joke and that's the best alternative.

but just for kicks please wise E-hero teach me the error of my god loving ways. lol

I would follow a raptor jesus. Fuck and he skateboards I wonder if he can help me with my dolphin flip I just cant get it down.

[Mister.E]

I would follow a raptor jesus

no better time to start than now. Raptor Jesus is my hero

[Aki180sx]

I didn't know there were so many of these. so funny.

http://i194.photobucket.com/albums/z100/CH37005/Raptor%20Jesus/21501784_l.png

[Fonix36]

http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n69/chokinghazard_2006/anti-jesus.jpg

[irax]

God exists outside the reasons and logic of man.
but... I won't argue, clearly you are trolling since your posting pictures from /b/

[timlush]

I believe in god because there has never been an explanation that disproves him.


Seriously? There are elephants in the Pacific Ocean with 20 ft cocks. Hasn't been disproved yet.

[irax]

umm... the size of the elephant with a 20ft cock would make it larger then a a blue whale. which means we would know about them by now.

try a different analogy.

wait, instead I'll blow your mind

God... Exists outside of religion.

[flip3d]

55h1FO8V_3w

[mrmephistopheles]

Gonna chime in here right quick.

I'm agnostic, leaning toward atheism.
Simply put, that means I don't necessarily believe in any religion, and until I am shown proof, I believe there is no higher power.

Proof is not religious texts, or the words of preachers, or anything that man can produce. Simply saying that 'god's existence can't be disproven' is exactly the same as saying 'god's existence can't be proven'.

I have no beef with religions. I think people are free to believe whatever they like to believe. If you want to believe in jewish zombie carpenters, alien overlords who dump billions of creatures into volcanos, or a team of deities who live on a mountain and occasionally visit earth. Whatever helps you get through the day, I say go hog-wild.

My beef with religions comes mainly from when they're organized, and from proselytizing/missioning. ALL organized religions end up being evil in some way or another. Attempting to convert people to believing in what you do is self-righteous and wrong.

The Roman Catholic Church is essentially responsible for spreading AIDS in Africa and promoting pederasty among its priests.

Christianity has the Crusades, Spanish Catholicism has the Inquisition, etc. I can't really think of any Buddhist or Hindu evildoings, but I can't really say I know a whole hell of a lot about them anyway. Scientology - don't even get me started.



Anyway, if I choose to believe in an invisible fire-breathing dragon that lives in my garage, that's my prerogative, but I need to expect criticism from those who don't believe in my dragon.


God exists in as much as humans do. Once there are no humans left to believe in god, there will be none.

I encourage everyone to read The Demon-Haunted World (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Demon-Haunted_World) or, failing that, to at LEAST read this small bit of it (http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/Dragon.htm).

I'll paste it here for your edification. It was written by Carl Sagan.


"A fire-breathing dragon lives in my garage"

Suppose (I'm following a group therapy approach by the psychologist Richard Franklin) I seriously make such an assertion to you. Surely you'd want to check it out, see for yourself. There have been innumerable stories of dragons over the centuries, but no real evidence. What an opportunity!

"Show me," you say. I lead you to my garage. You look inside and see a ladder, empty paint cans, an old tricycle -- but no dragon.

"Where's the dragon?" you ask.

"Oh, she's right here," I reply, waving vaguely. "I neglected to mention that she's an invisible dragon."

You propose spreading flour on the floor of the garage to capture the dragon's footprints.

"Good idea," I say, "but this dragon floats in the air."

Then you'll use an infrared sensor to detect the invisible fire.

"Good idea, but the invisible fire is also heatless."

You'll spray-paint the dragon and make her visible.

"Good idea, but she's an incorporeal dragon and the paint won't stick." And so on. I counter every physical test you propose with a special explanation of why it won't work.

Now, what's the difference between an invisible, incorporeal, floating dragon who spits heatless fire and no dragon at all? If there's no way to disprove my contention, no conceivable experiment that would count against it, what does it mean to say that my dragon exists? Your inability to invalidate my hypothesis is not at all the same thing as proving it true. Claims that cannot be tested, assertions immune to disproof are veridically worthless, whatever value they may have in inspiring us or in exciting our sense of wonder. What I'm asking you to do comes down to believing, in the absence of evidence, on my say-so. The only thing you've really learned from my insistence that there's a dragon in my garage is that something funny is going on inside my head. You'd wonder, if no physical tests apply, what convinced me. The possibility that it was a dream or a hallucination would certainly enter your mind. But then, why am I taking it so seriously? Maybe I need help. At the least, maybe I've seriously underestimated human fallibility. Imagine that, despite none of the tests being successful, you wish to be scrupulously open-minded. So you don't outright reject the notion that there's a fire-breathing dragon in my garage. You merely put it on hold. Present evidence is strongly against it, but if a new body of data emerge you're prepared to examine it and see if it convinces you. Surely it's unfair of me to be offended at not being believed; or to criticize you for being stodgy and unimaginative -- merely because you rendered the Scottish verdict of "not proved."

Imagine that things had gone otherwise. The dragon is invisible, all right, but footprints are being made in the flour as you watch. Your infrared detector reads off-scale. The spray paint reveals a jagged crest bobbing in the air before you. No matter how skeptical you might have been about the existence of dragons -- to say nothing about invisible ones -- you must now acknowledge that there's something here, and that in a preliminary way it's consistent with an invisible, fire-breathing dragon.

Now another scenario: Suppose it's not just me. Suppose that several people of your acquaintance, including people who you're pretty sure don't know each other, all tell you that they have dragons in their garages -- but in every case the evidence is maddeningly elusive. All of us admit we're disturbed at being gripped by so odd a conviction so ill-supported by the physical evidence. None of us is a lunatic. We speculate about what it would mean if invisible dragons were really hiding out in garages all over the world, with us humans just catching on. I'd rather it not be true, I tell you. But maybe all those ancient European and Chinese myths about dragons weren't myths at all.

Gratifyingly, some dragon-size footprints in the flour are now reported. But they're never made when a skeptic is looking. An alternative explanation presents itself. On close examination it seems clear that the footprints could have been faked. Another dragon enthusiast shows up with a burnt finger and attributes it to a rare physical manifestation of the dragon's fiery breath. But again, other possibilities exist. We understand that there are other ways to burn fingers besides the breath of invisible dragons. Such "evidence" -- no matter how important the dragon advocates consider it -- is far from compelling. Once again, the only sensible approach is tentatively to reject the dragon hypothesis, to be open to future physical data, and to wonder what the cause might be that so many apparently sane and sober people share the same strange delusion.

[mrmephistopheles]

Deleted a great deal of thread-derailing nonsense. Keep the discussion on-topic.

[DALAZ_68]

The average blue whale produces 400 gallons of sperm when it ejaculates


and now you know why the water is so salty...


seriously though, i personally dont believe in any specific god, i respect anyone who does, and dont cause arguments about it

what i hate about it, is some of its follower, nomatter what religion, theres always that nut that thiniks he can talk me into said religion...

[airforceone451]

I just wanted to contribute this picture because it's funny:

http://i.imgur.com/l9nRE.jpg

[CleanAndLegit]

i dont have a religion but i have faith in a higher power.

[zspeedrft]

jesus was a manwhore......

[wowitsaboy]

I believe in God. My belief doesn't take away from the quality of my life, it is MY belief that it has in many ways made things better for me. So I honestly don't see a reason not to believe.
Could it be that some of you who don't believe have problem with Jesus's self proclaimed fan club and not so much the concept of a man who live his life for others and pay the ultimate price to save those same people even though they hated him? sounds like a swell guy (noticed how I in no way said he was "God")

[DeathMetal]

None of you exist. All I know of you is the text in this forum.

[Drift N Dragg]

Gonna chime in here right quick.
Carl Sagan.

So your a Saganist? :hide:

[godrifttoday]

its been proven no god exist!!!! havent u seen the simpsons??? homer has a formula
YouTube - The Simpsons expose Christian liars and hypocrites (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5tQWcl7I)

[ronmcdon]

Im completely apathetic (apatheism?).
Whether or not god exists isnt going to change my life realistically.
That is not the same as atheism or agnostism.
Im too lazy even for that.

If i had to be religious though,
id probably opt bieng a hindu because it sounds cool.
The idea of being some swindler/slacker swami for retirement doesnt sound too bad.

[DeathMetal]

Im completely apathetic (apatheism?).
Whether or not god exists isnt going to change my life realistically.
That is not the same as atheism or agnostism.
Im too lazy even for that.

Agnosticism

[BlueKpS13]

IMO the bible is no more than a really old, over published "morals for idiots".

[ronmcdon]

Too early in the morning for perfect spelling/grammar!

[mrmephistopheles]

So your a Saganist? :hide:

HAIL SAGAN!!!!

:keke: :ddog:

[S14DB]

My god's better than your god...

[lflkajfj12123]

I am an atheist first of all. However I have always been interested in this kind of thing and I've been reading Philosophy for years now.

One thing that most people don't quite grasp whom say god does not exist is logic. Logic can give us a million arguments for why god does NOT exist, however for every million argument against the existence of god there are a million FOR the existence of god.

I am not talking about a god of almost all religions. God can be considered whatever is the meaning or cause of our existence. God does not have to be intelligent, benevolent, or omniscient. IF you step back away from the idea of a "creator" and just take the word god to mean who's responsible for our existence, you can sit here and give a million arguments for why this is feasible.

The only thing that people who support the non-existence of god can argue is to apply the technique of Ockham's razor which is to settle on the SIMPLEST argument. I.E. the theory of intelligent design creationism relies on the ideas of supernatural forces whereas the theory of evolution does not and is in alignment with our actual reality.

Side: Funny story- The other day I was talking to my grandmother about science and space and what not. My brother was sitting right next to me and I started to talk about the big bang and he chimes in and says the big bang is a bunch of bullshit (him being the religious sheltered child that he is or his complete daftness came to surface) and I just straight up laughed at him. The fact of the matter is that this is the mentality of most christian followers. I did not want to tell him that the Vatican recognizes the big bang as Science FACT and that the "theory" has been proven for over 30 years now in fear of popping his poor little bubble.

IF you accept the existence of black-holes in outer space than you accept that the universe began from a singularity also.

God or no God, humans are still far too ignorant to have any kind of really good understanding of our existence.

[n240sxfnatic]

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv190/danebow240/9n5kG3.jpg

[iHeartTheTouge]

http://petrosgames.com/blogimages/All%20Creation3.gif

[Touge Noob S13]

God or no God, humans are still far too ignorant to have any kind of really good understanding of our existence.


The amount of 4chan pictures in this thread proves your point.

[maplejesse]

http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/1899/churchkids.gif

[coww-cho!!!!!]

yup yup, as beings we have that nature of curiosity as to how we became who we are. of course for a child the easiest of things to understand is that there (is)are Dragons, Jesus, Santa Claus, Easter Bunny, Sponge Bob, Buddha etc

lets sing all together now.....Our God is an Awesome God He Reign from heaven and earth....ahhhh Fuck my 4 years at Christian/Catholic Private schools. although i must say the best i got out of it was seeing chicks in short skirts on certain days of the week


Have any of you guys ever stayed at a friends house who's family was overly too Religious?

[iHeartTheTouge]

Have any of you guys ever stayed at a friends house who's family was overly too Religious?

No one I know is overly religious. But I did go to a party in 8th grade where one of the girls who is overly religious just about stopped everything that was happening and turned it into a fucking sermon. Something about a kid who died years earlier everyone knew and Jesus yada yada yada. Completely ruined the rest of the night. Bitch. The girl I was hooking up with was no longer in the mood after that.

[irax]

LOL I would like to take this thread more seriously if people would start acting like adults. It is easy to come up of examples of people who use religion to do wrong but no one ever likes to think of all the good that people do in the name of their faith. People are flawed, and so is the confines of most religions. As it has been said before in this thread, we as humans have no real understanding of how the universe works. And yes religions start from our basic ways of explaining things we did not understand. Even if you take out Genesis and the 'history' out of the bible and teach the wholesome sound values, it is solid. People are going to believe in God(s) or they won't it is as simple as that. The best that scientists come up with is the same shit that is in majority of religions. First there was nothing, then something happened, and now we have everything. Our minds can not fathom nothing or large periods of time. Science has not dis-proven a creator. Science has only proven that we can observe a similarities in all living beings. They didn't even get it right all the time.. Explain why the fucking duck bill platypus is a mammal! It's the only mammal that has a beak and lays eggs. Sounds more like a fucking furry warm blooded reptile.

[lflkajfj12123]

We actually have a very good understanding of how the universe works now and we are on the brink of uniting everything into one theory (String Theory being one of the competitors) within the next 10 years.

I was referring to us not being capable our understanding our existence I.E. Why?

That would be like understanding the mind of god if god does exist.

[ESmorz]

Why?

What if there is no why? Just a where and when.

[irax]

We actually have a very good understanding of how the universe works now and we are on the brink of uniting everything into one theory (String Theory being one of the competitors) within the next 10 years.
Actually our understanding of how the universe works is far superior now than it was even 20 years ago. But is still nothing in comparison of what we still have to learn. Until we turn even 20% of the theories we have about the universe into facts I still say we don't know shit.

And a unified theory is even further away.

[jamg]

i believe in a "god"

not necessarily in terms of a higher all controlling power,

but i don't believe in religion.

[S13WnaB]

Its been said the people that do not believe in god fight him the hardest LOL!

I believe in god because there has never been an explanation that disproves him.
lets face it evolution is a joke and that's the best alternative.

but just for kicks please wise E-hero teach me the error of my god loving ways. lol

I would follow a raptor jesus. Fuck and he skateboards I wonder if he can help me with my dolphin flip I just cant get it down.

Has there been any explanation that aliens do not exist, and we were only created by these higher beings(aliens) to mine the rich minerals such as gold for them(slaves) because they didn't wanna do the work. (not my belief, just a possibility)

are you gonna call me crazy for thinking the thought of aliens or another life is more logical than the belief of a god that plays one big game of life, for everyone.
philosophy class, a lady called this kid crazy for believing in vampires, i called her crazy for believing in god.

[Teddy]

I personally think that anyone who believes in "God" is ignorant and blind to the real world.

I do believe in afterlife and spirits because there has always been freaky shit going on in my house that has no explanation other than "ghosts".

[theicecreamdan]

umm... the size of the elephant with a 20ft cock would make it larger then a a blue whale. which means we would know about them by now.

try a different analogy.

wait, instead I'll blow your mind

God... Exists outside of religion.

There are large things in the ocean that we know nothing about yet.

All we can ever do is keep trying to understand, but truthfully I don't think we are capable of actually understanding anything.

[lflkajfj12123]

What if there is no why? Just a where and when.

From a philosophical standpoint... I get you. It is perfectly reasonable to believe that existence has well forever existed and we do not need a reason to explain it. This is a common argument against the existence of god in philosophy.

From a scientific standpoint our universe came into existence at a single point in time. During the 70's they came about with a theory called solid state theory to combat the big bang which they believed the universe has always existed and cosmic whatever's just come into form. However during the 80's we proved the big bang theory to be science fact by finding cosmic radiation from the moment of creation lingering in space all around us. So the question is why to our creation, not why to life as we know it.

Actually our understanding of how the universe works is far superior now than it was even 20 years ago. But is still nothing in comparison of what we still have to learn. Until we turn even 20% of the theories we have about the universe into facts I still say we don't know shit.

And a unified theory is even further away.

Einsteins theory of relativity and quantum theory are both science fact. However they do not like each other and disagree unfortunately. They do not offer a theory of everything, unlike proposed theories do like string theory. String theory could possibly bridge the gap.

The planck spacecraft was launched in 2009 as a space observatory that has been mapping super high resolutions of space that we were not capable of doing before. It is almost completed and they will be releasing their extremely detailed completed map of the universe towards the end of 2012. Most of the new theories to the explain scientifically how the universe exists will be proven or disproven by the images from Planck. Planck is capable of taking super fully detailed pictures of the universe extremely far away, which means we are looking at light and radiation from near the beginning of the universe which is where we need to apply our theories like string theory for example.

The answers are much closer than you think.

See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planck_(spacecraft)

[I LUV MY S13]

We actually have a very good understanding of how the universe works now and we are on the brink of uniting everything into one theory (String Theory being one of the competitors) within the next 10 years.

I was referring to us not being capable our understanding our existence I.E. Why?

That would be like understanding the mind of god if god does exist.

you are totally wrong, we are no where near to having a "very good" understanding of the universe..there is so much that is unexplained

and im sure most of you here clowning on religion havent even bothered to read a bible, torah, koran or the taisho..to be able to even argue this you gotta understand both sides of the spectrum and accept the possibility of your side being wrong, religion or not


i hate how people say god is real end of story, or he just does..i hate how athiest say evolution is true, so much evidence to prove it, ive only pointed out the FEW facts in page 2 of this thread that strongly contradicts evolution..or how athiest say there is no evidence pointing towards the existence of a god whe indeed there is..or how religious people just completely stop listening when the word evolution is mentioned, or how ignorant they can be period..idk if any of this makes sense im fuckin tired haha



for any of you to say you KNOW god is or isnt real is ignorant in itself, cuz you really just dont

[lflkajfj12123]

^ Shut up and read my previous post above. K and THANKS ignorant one.

[I LUV MY S13]

i read it idiot, ever think the more we know, the more we realize we dont know shit? ever here one answer arizes another question? your so quick to think this will solve everything and we'll be ok, but it will bring in more questions and thoughts..

[lflkajfj12123]

Solve everything?

String theory is the first candidate for the theory of everything (TOE), a manner of describing the known fundamental forces (gravitational, electromagnetic, weak and strong interactions) and matter (quarks and leptons) in a mathematically complete system.

Its only fault is that is very experimentally hard to prove it but we will be able to prove it with data that the Plank spacecraft is going to provide of the very early formations of the universe.

Solving scientific questions and problems like this is pretty prevalent to answering most of our other questions that could ever possibly arise. It will offer a complete theory to explain almost all phenomenon. This is completely different than some philosophical questions like the irony of our existence. Philosophy is endless amounts of questions and thought experiments. Science is problem solving and explanation.

[I LUV MY S13]

you need to stop quoting the internet and read a book, we have a good perspective of the universe and its functions, but very far from a good understanding...coming from a major in astronomy and aerospace engineering trust me

[lflkajfj12123]

Cool story bro. I'm about to apply for my graduate program to get my PhD in Mechanical Engineering. You sound like an idiot. Prove your argument rather than saying I'm wrong... until then you are still WRONG.

Only thing I copypasta'd is this because well quite frankly I couldn't have said it better myself.

String theory is the first candidate for the theory of everything (TOE), a manner of describing the known fundamental forces (gravitational, electromagnetic, weak and strong interactions) and matter (quarks and leptons) in a mathematically complete system.

L8R SK8R

[BustedS13]

I believe in god
You are a jackass

God exists
You are a jackass

i have faith in a higher power.
You are a jackass

I believe in God.
You are a jackass

My god's better than your god...
my god sits in the back of the limousine
my god comes in a wrapper of cellophane
my god pouts on the cover of the magazine
my god's a shallow little bitch trying to make the scene



God or no God, humans are still far too ignorant to have any kind of really good understanding of our existence.
this is the correct answer.

Explain why the fucking duck bill platypus is a mammal! It's the only mammal that has a beak and lays eggs.
http://imgur.com/oD6UM.jpg

i believe in a "god"
You are a jackass

[ESmorz]

From a philosophical standpoint... I get you. It is perfectly reasonable to believe that existence has well forever existed and we do not need a reason to explain it. This is a common argument against the existence of god in philosophy.

From a scientific standpoint our universe came into existence at a single point in time. During the 70's they came about with a theory called solid state theory to combat the big bang which they believed the universe has always existed and cosmic whatever's just come into form. However during the 80's we proved the big bang theory to be science fact by finding cosmic radiation from the moment of creation lingering in space all around us. So the question is why to our creation, not why to life as we know it.


It's not really a question of what created us, but what created the domino effect that led to us, I understand this. I like to think it was all some sort of happenstance. Some matters blue balls in a different plane of time and space cracking through.

Being self aware with a finite lifespan sucks, and people need answers I guess.

[I LUV MY S13]

congrats on the PH, quite an accomplishment..

now im not gonna spoon feed your stupid ass just cuz google is your buddy and you cant seem to read a book...try this Amazon.com: astronomy books: Books (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=astronomy+books&x=25&y=28) your in luck too free shipping

now i sound like an idiot? half the shit you say on this site sounds like it came from an 8yr old retard

[I LUV MY S13]

You are a jackass


You are a jackass


You are a jackass


You are a jackass


my god sits in the back of the limousine
my god comes in a wrapper of cellophane
my god pouts on the cover of the magazine
my god's a shallow little bitch trying to make the scene


this is the correct answer.


http://imgur.com/oD6UM.jpg


You are a jackass


did you get molested by a priest as a child?

[ESmorz]

did you get molested by a priest as a child?

Were you breast fed by a Priest?

:drool:

[I LUV MY S13]

hahaha good one, but im agnostic

[lflkajfj12123]

It's not really a question of what created us, but what created the domino effect that led to us, I understand this. I like to think it was all some sort of happenstance. Some matters blue balls in a different plane of time and space cracking through.

Being self aware with a finite lifespan sucks, and people need answers I guess.

Yeah you said it better than I could. Existentialism sucks. Our lives are completely ironic and seem meaningless... but alas I wake up everyday and take a piss.

Karl Marx's famous quote on religion...

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.

congrats on the PH, quite an accomplishment..


Thank you.


now im not gonna spoon feed your stupid ass just cuz google is your buddy and you cant seem to read a book...try this Amazon.com: astronomy books: Books (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=astronomy+books&x=25&y=28) your in luck too free shipping


I didn't ask you to spoon feed me... I just told you if you're going to say I'm wrong then at least say WHY. Otherwise you just look like more of a dumb ass than you think I am by making a statement without an argument.

P.S. I have plenty of books on astronomy and other cool scientific things. I should take a picture of my "read" shelf.


now i sound like an idiot? half the shit you say on this site sounds like it came from an 8yr old retard


Stop talking about yourself. I at least compose my thoughts into meaningful sentences rather than sounding like a baboon in my posts. You should really not take what I say on this forum so seriously as 90% of the posters on here are fucking morons. I just egg shit on because I CAN. Sorry for acting like an "8yr old retard".

[irax]

You are a jackass
http://www.greenfieldpub.lib.in.us/childrens/Programs/australia/platypus.jpg

explain why this animal is a mammal!
and stop trying to be cool by quoting Trent Reznor

There are large things in the ocean that we know nothing about yet.

All we can ever do is keep trying to understand, but truthfully I don't think we are capable of actually understanding anything.

Unfortunately this is only partly true. Yes there are thousands of sea faring species that we know nothing about, but large ones live in an area we know a lot about. Do we have a lot of contact with huge species? Nope. Do we always find their remains? Nope. Is it possible for gigantic species to live in the deep ocean? Not really, there isn't enough resources to feed off of. While other species smaller than a house cat do manage to survive. It becomes more impossible for large creatures to live the deeper they go in the ocean.


s0apgun: if you like Marx then you might like Christopher Hitchens.

[lflkajfj12123]

I read his book "God is Not Great" and I pretty much agreed with him on almost everything.

[ESmorz]

http://www.greenfieldpub.lib.in.us/childrens/Programs/australia/platypus.jpg

explain why this animal is a mammal!

Explain why you think this animal, that is a mammal, was created to be a fucked up conglomeration of ducks and beavers.

To me at least, it makes more sense that it is somewhat of a bridge between water-going ancestors and the mammals of today. Much like the early hominids that lived alongside us. Not entirely human, not entirely ape (not saying that ducks and beavers are anyway related). This one has just happened to survive.

Platypus poop looks like mini footballs too.

[lflkajfj12123]

http://loltheist.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/platypus.jpg

It's obvious God has a sense of humour.

[irax]

Explain why you think this animal, that is a mammal, was created to be a fucked up conglomeration of ducks and beavers.

clearly god has a sense of humor.

[Mikey213]

I hate it when people look to books and think, this must be the answer. Just like Tv programs books can carter to bullshit also. But when someone is literally giving you a detailed dynamic answer to a question, 1. You're already mind blown because it dynamically answers your question to the point where validity isn't something to ask 2. You can look at the person through a neuro-scientifical perspective and see if the bullshit leaks from his mouth. I'm with soapgun on this.

[mrmephistopheles]

You are a jackass

Yes, I am! (Not for the same reasons, of course.)



my god sits in the back of the limousine
my god comes in a wrapper of cellophane
my god pouts on the cover of the magazine
my god's a shallow little bitch trying to make the scene


I wouldn't try to fuck a star. It'd burn.


http://imgur.com/oD6UM.jpg


Oh lol, ICP/Juggalos.

They are the funniest kind of ignoramus.

I think that their comparison of magnetic attraction to 'magic' is as appropriate as comparing a goldfish to the loch ness monster. By saying that magnets work by forces of magic, and dismissing scientific knowledge, you might as well stick a note to your forehead that says 'I'll believe ANYTHING you tell me!'.


did you get molested by a priest as a child?

Reread the first post, kindly. The OP states very clearly what his response to certain statements will be.

[Rag]

I believe in me. I work for my food. I work for my home. I work for my desires.

Until there is definite proof of that celestial/demonic/omniscient/higher-power/godlike/invisible/etc being(s).... i will continue to believe in my own perseverance and hard work.

None of you can prove or dis-prove anything god related.

SCIENCE!!!

[exitspeed]

I believe in god because I want to.

[SR240DET]

God dammit! We all should have jet-packs as a standard and weekend trips to Mars by now.

[spoolandslide]

YouTube - Valient Thorr - We Believe in Science - LIVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIwKNjEnHOI)

live version sucks but whatever you get the message

YOU BELIEVE IN YOUR THING AND WE BELIEVE IN SCIENCE!

[I LUV MY S13]

Yeah you said it better than I could. Existentialism sucks. Our lives are completely ironic and seem meaningless... but alas I wake up everyday and take a piss.

Karl Marx's famous quote on religion...

Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people.



Thank you.



I didn't ask you to spoon feed me... I just told you if you're going to say I'm wrong then at least say WHY. Otherwise you just look like more of a dumb ass than you think I am by making a statement without an argument.

P.S. I have plenty of books on astronomy and other cool scientific things. I should take a picture of my "read" shelf.



ive already told you why, with every answer arises another question..for decades we've been saying "oh we know so much, why bother exploring" "oh we understand how things in the cosmos work", when in reality we are just too premature in technology and exploration to make any accusations like that yet

also look at it this way, the observatory sent off last year is intended to observe our solar system, our galaxy, and galaxy clusters, but without even half way out the solar system...so to say it will give us a "very good" understanding of the universe is a bit of an overstatement

[DeathMetal]

So many people are so obsessed with the self-congratulatory dismissal of there being nothing beyond what they conceive with the brain they only, very slightly use. Science is the biggest factor in all of this. You take logical reasoning, add a little dirt from the ground, use some large words to categorize a phenomenon and suddenly everything makes sense.

It's like people who study a box, realize it is a box, and call it a box when in fact, it is something that has always existed beyond our own life on this planet as human beings. Just because we can call it something because we have morphed it into something we can categorize, does not mean that there isn't much more to observe.

[irax]

very fucking well said

[exitspeed]

So many people are so obsessed with the self-congratulatory dismissal of there being nothing beyond what they conceive with the brain they only, very slightly use. Science is the biggest factor in all of this. You take logical reasoning, add a little dirt from the ground, use some large words to categorize a phenomenon and suddenly everything makes sense.

It's like people who study a box, realize it is a box, and call it a box when in fact, it is something that has always existed beyond our own life on this planet as human beings. Just because we can call it something because we have morphed it into something we can categorize, does not mean that there isn't much more to observe.

Man that is a great way to put it. I wish we still had rep.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Most people In this thread are just reading to see what other zilvia people think and gonna agree with them, so they can look cool to zilvia. I'm not saying I believe In god, I'm not saying I do. I don't know. I'm kinda just chillin.

I can tell you one thing. god has not ever bought me one damn thing!

[theicecreamdan]

http://www.greenfieldpub.lib.in.us/childrens/Programs/australia/platypus.jpg

explain why this animal is a mammal!
and stop trying to be cool by quoting Trent Reznor



Unfortunately this is only partly true. Yes there are thousands of sea faring species that we know nothing about, but large ones live in an area we know a lot about. Do we have a lot of contact with huge species? Nope. Do we always find their remains? Nope. Is it possible for gigantic species to live in the deep ocean? Not really, there isn't enough resources to feed off of. While other species smaller than a house cat do manage to survive. It becomes more impossible for large creatures to live the deeper they go in the ocean.


s0apgun: if you like Marx then you might like Christopher Hitchens.

Duckbill platypus is a mammal because it has hair, females have mammary glands, and three ear bones. There isn't really a "why" for the duckbill platypus. An early form, or several early forms, made it onto Australia around the time that the boat left. Then evolution took a couple different paths and it ended up being a pretty good joke. But that really only answers how.

I stay away from anybody that claims anything is impossible, especially when its pertaining to living things. I would bet money on there being "large" animals still undiscovered in the deep oceans. As far as knowing a lot about the ocean up top. There have been whales only discovered as recently as 2001 after 20-30 years of sightings which didn't fit other descriptions.

"Have there been any new mammals discovered in the past ten years?
Yes, a new species of beaked whale was discovered in Peruvian waters a few years ago. It is the Peruvian beaked whale, Mesoplodon peruviensis. There are probably other undiscovered whales and dolphins in the ocean." (General Sea Life Facts | Scholastic.com (http://www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=4585))

[irax]

Duckbill platypus is a mammal because it has hair, females have mammary glands, and three ear bones. There isn't really a "why" for the duckbill platypus. An early form, or several early forms, made it onto Australia around the time that the boat left. Then evolution took a couple different paths and it ended up being a pretty good joke. But that really only answers how.

Yeah but the platypus also lays eggs, there are 4 other species of mammals that lay eggs but that is it! The joke isn't that where do they belong, its that we have a misunderstanding of what mammals are.


I stay away from anybody that claims anything is impossible, especially when its pertaining to living things. I would bet money on there being "large" animals still undiscovered in the deep oceans. As far as knowing a lot about the ocean up top. There have been whales only discovered as recently as 2001 after 20-30 years of sightings which didn't fit other descriptions.

"Have there been any new mammals discovered in the past ten years?
Yes, a new species of beaked whale was discovered in Peruvian waters a few years ago. It is the Peruvian beaked whale, Mesoplodon peruviensis. There are probably other undiscovered whales and dolphins in the ocean." (General Sea Life Facts | Scholastic.com (http://www2.scholastic.com/browse/article.jsp?id=4585))

While a new species of a beaked whale makes for a valid point, it is still only macro-evolution. A localized version if you will. Now if they find a whale that has wings and bipedal legs they you are on to something. Or even one that isn't related to any other species of whales. :wcc:

[kingkilburn]

As some one who has read the bible and loves cosmology it is my belief that there is no god or higher power of any sort.

The old testament is just a huge rule book with examples of what happens to those that don't follow the rules. The new testament is a bunch of hear say about a rule breaker(based on the the old testament).

The Koran is an idea(Torah) stolen(from the Jewish) by a butcher(Muhammad) in order to justify his lifestyle and political power.

Hinduism supports way to much bigotry and can be used to justify almost any behavior good or bad.

If Buddhism is properly followed it is more of a system of morals and philosophy(like Taoism or Confucianism) than a religion but it seems to be rarely practiced that way.


P.S. My God IS better than yours.

http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/imagehosting/75645662170bde4f.jpg


P.P.S. irax how is it not a mammal?

[irax]

As some one who has read the bible and loves cosmology it is my belief that there is no god or higher power of any sort.

The old testament is just a huge rule book with examples of what happens to those that don't follow the rules. The new testament is a bunch of hear say about a rule breaker(based on the the old testament).

The Koran is an idea(Torah) stolen(from the Jewish) by a butcher(Muhammad) in order to justify his lifestyle and political power.

Hinduism supports way to much bigotry and can be used to justify almost any behavior good or bad.

If Buddhism is properly followed it is more of a system of morals and philosophy(like Taoism or Confucianism) than a religion but it seems to be rarely practiced that way.

umm... don't forget that the Torah is a revised book of the dead.

this argument isn't about wither or not the Gods of the specific religions are true, but if God itself is true.


P.P.S. irax how is it not a mammal?
It's a mammal that has webbed feet, a bill, and lays eggs.
So its an Averian(SP?) creature or warm blooded reptile
but it has fur, and 3 ear bones, and mammary glands, and walks on all 4
so its its a mammal

but mammals also give live birth, don't have bills or beaks, and don't have webbed feet

[kingkilburn]

If the religion surrounding the "God" is bull, so is the "God". This is doubly so when the holy text of the religion are supposedly straight from the lips of "God".

Mammals don't all have live birth and a LOT have webbed feet. The mouth that resembles a birds beak is just an evolutionary oddity. There are a lot of those in nature as well.

Your argument is the same as this:

http://www.emperor-penguin.com/empswim.jpg
http://trekkingplanetawesome.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/kiwi20bird.jpg

How are these birds?

[BustedS13]

I believe in god because I want to.

I love you, baby, but you know the rules

You're a jackass



p.s. how many people here started with a religious background (parents taking you to church, religious friends, christian private schools), and then later in life turned to agnosticism/atheism? I spent my childhood playing with church friends, I went to a Lutheran grade school and high school, went to church every sunday, own a half dozen bibles, but after a while it just became a big joke, and I wish I had that hour back each semester in HS that was spent on mandatory religious classes. I could have taken so many more art classes.

[kingkilburn]

Half my family is hardcore LDS. We still have trouble at family get togethers because the sound of logic burns their souls. It's not even about the religious stuff either, it's the stupid neo-conservatism brainwashing of the church.

[aznpoopy]

this thread would be more interesting if we were all on our deathbeds

until then shit is all stupid talk by a bunch of 20 something liveforevers

none of our opinions are relevant

i hate all of you

[kingkilburn]

There will be no deathbed conversions here. If it served me no purpose in life why bitch out when at Death's door?

[ronmcdon]

p.s. how many people here started with a religious background (parents taking you to church, religious friends, christian private schools), and then later in life turned to agnosticism/atheism? I spent my childhood playing with church friends, I went to a Lutheran grade school and high school, went to church every sunday, own a half dozen bibles, but after a while it just became a big joke, and I wish I had that hour back each semester in HS that was spent on mandatory religious classes. I could have taken so many more art classes.



Went to catholic school for kintergarten & maybe a few years in elementary.
The nuns there were some of the spiteful, instigative, & dishonest human biengs I've ever met.
Went to an English Christian school for elementary & had to sing horrid hymns for an hour each day.
"All Things Bright & Beautiful", or some nonsense like that.
Didn't appreciate that all.

Thanks to that in part, I never warmed up the concept of religion.
Forcing religion on ppl usually backfires imo.

[irax]

If the religion surrounding the "God" is bull, so is the "God". This is doubly so when the holy text of the religion are supposedly straight from the lips of "God".
If I lie to you about what my car has, does it make my car a lie? The car exists but when I told you about it is wrong. Does it then make my car nonexistent ? No it just makes me a liar. It doesn't change the existence of the car.

Mammals don't all have live birth and a LOT have webbed feet. The mouth that resembles a birds beak is just an evolutionary oddity. There are a lot of those in nature as well.

Your argument is the same as this:
Emperor penguin
Kiwi bird
How are these birds?
Please enlighten me with other mammals that do not give live birth or have webbed feet.

The Penguin and the Kiwi both are birds that don't fly, and they have hair and not feathers. They are still birds.



p.s. how many people here started with a religious background (parents taking you to church, religious friends, christian private schools), and then later in life turned to agnosticism/atheism? I spent my childhood playing with church friends, I went to a Lutheran grade school and high school, went to church every sunday, own a half dozen bibles, but after a while it just became a big joke, and I wish I had that hour back each semester in HS that was spent on mandatory religious classes. I could have taken so many more art classes.

I actually am the opposite. My parents did not instill any kind of religious teachings other than my dad told me to tell people that I am Muslim and pork is unhealthy. I turned to religion and spirituality myself after highschool.

[ESmorz]

(parent taking you to church, religious friends, christian private schools), and then later in life turned to agnosticism/atheism? I spent my childhood playing with church friends, I went to a Lutheran grade school

This = Me.

:fruit:

[aznpoopy]

There will be no deathbed conversions here. If it served me no purpose in life why bitch out when at Death's door?

because until then this shit is like two assholes bench racing about cars they will never drive. on your deathbed your choice finally has consequence (or not)

until then it'll always be some asshole atheist who had a friend die tragically of cancer at 40 and suddenly found god, or some asshole religious guy who had his family of five killed in a tragic car accident and lost his faith.

mindless banter of the masses

[revat619]

I hate these threads because no one can ever discuss them in a mature manner. It ALWAYS (and already has) reverts to atheists/anyone anti-religion taking this overtly condescending tone and name calling those who choose to follow a particular diety. If there is to be discussion, DISCUSS. Petty name calling and poking fun is for the immature and simple minded.

So many people are so obsessed with the self-congratulatory dismissal of there being nothing beyond what they conceive with the brain they only, very slightly use. Science is the biggest factor in all of this. You take logical reasoning, add a little dirt from the ground, use some large words to categorize a phenomenon and suddenly everything makes sense.

It's like people who study a box, realize it is a box, and call it a box when in fact, it is something that has always existed beyond our own life on this planet as human beings. Just because we can call it something because we have morphed it into something we can categorize, does not mean that there isn't much more to observe.

Most legitamte post in this entire thread.

Science or religion or a little bit of both, regardless of where you fall, NONE of you truly, without ANY doubt, know how we got here, what the purpose is, and what happens after we die. Acting like you do and belittling others because they don't share your particular view makes you the aforementioned jackass.

[flip3d]

http://www.tweak3d.net/forums/imagehosting/75645662170bde4f.jpg


Flying Spaghetti Monster. Yesss.


Anyways, I went to Catholic school until 6th grade. Atheist now.

[irax]

I hate these threads because no one can ever discuss them in a mature manner. It ALWAYS (and already has) reverts to atheists/anyone anti-religion taking this overtly condescending tone and name calling those who choose to follow a particular diety. If there is to be discussion, DISCUSS. Petty name calling and poking fun is for the immature and simple minded. Science or religion or a little bit of both, regardless of where you fall, NONE of you truly, without ANY doubt, know how we got here, what the purpose is, and what happens after we die. Acting like you do and belittling others because they don't share your particular view makes you the aforementioned jackass.

epic logical win!
/thread

[kingkilburn]

irax

Dude but birds fly and have feathers. It shatters my perception of reality that there are birds that don't fly and have hair like feathers.

As far as webbed feet and other than live birth; dogs, otters, seal lions, beavers, tigers, pangolin(just as another evolutionary oddity). Rather than list every mammal that isn't a placental mammal here is a link to a list for you.
List of monotremes and marsupials - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monotremes_and_marsupials)

Your car analogy is flawed in that there is no implied penalty for my disbelief or knowing denial of belief in your car.


aznpoopy

or some one like myself who utterly refutes the new testament and all of Christianity on the basis that Jesus was not the messiah there is no redemption or forgiveness for past sins. This means that if I am to go to hell no amount of begging will change that.

[lawrenceyang]

sometimes i sit back and wonder how all of this is possible and how amazing it is to be alive and living in this world and it's kinda hard to not believe in something greater than yourself but even still im still pretty much agnostic/leaning towards atheism. i dont believe in an afterlife, i believe that when we die we're dust, but i do believe living a just life and all that jazz in the bible is important, not for something like a ticket to heaven but just because it's the right thing to do

[irax]

irax

Dude but birds fly and have feathers. It shatters my perception of reality that there are birds that don't fly and have hair like feathers.

Austriges(fuck my spelling today) don't fly there for its not a bird?
And baby birds or chicks don't have feathers so are they not birds?
Avians don't need to fly, they need the bone structure, the beak or bill, webbed feet, and lay eggs.
Name a bird that doesn't lay an egg


Your car analogy is flawed in that there is no implied penalty for my disbelief or knowing denial of belief in your car.
Actually my analogy is on point, you being told incorrectly doesn't take away the possibility of my car (or god) being there. Because my argument is that god exists outside the confinements of religion. And just because a religion is wrong doesn't mean that God (or the idea of) doesn't exist.

[BustedS13]

this thread would be more interesting if we were all on our deathbeds

until then shit is all stupid talk by a bunch of 20 something liveforevers

none of our opinions are relevant

i hate all of you

denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.

religion is a sweet crutch when you don't want to think about how you're going to stop existing in a minute.

[lflkajfj12123]

You so silly thread.

You too I luv my s13.

[aznpoopy]

denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance.

religion is a sweet crutch when you don't want to think about how you're going to stop existing in a minute.

oh but atheists have such a mature and deep acceptance of the temporariness of human existence? LOL

both religious and nonreligious people function because death is such an alien concept they don't have to think about it. then they have a midlife crisis and suddenly fundies lose faith or atheists find god. fgts

[lflkajfj12123]

Atheists don't believe in fairy tales. We spend our time finding logic and reason for how to create a morally beautiful world that gives our existence meaning. Not endless prayer to supernatural forces that may or may not exist.

Death is not of human experience and one should not let one's conscience involve itself with it too much because death does not belong to your essence.

Y'all should read the Trial of Socrates.

[kingkilburn]

Austriges(fuck my spelling today) don't fly there for its not a bird?
And baby birds or chicks don't have feathers so are they not birds?
Avians don't need to fly, they need the bone structure, the beak or bill, webbed feet, and lay eggs.
Name a bird that doesn't lay an egg

You completely missed the point. Of course those are all birds. That is the point. Also most birds don't have webbed feet. That tends to be a feature of animals that live in/near water/sand/mud.

If you payed attention in bio class you would know that there are different families within each animal kingdom. Egg laying mammals are just a very old branch of the family tree. Then you get marsupials and after that placental mammals.

You get a similar division in fish. There are live bearers(the larval form never inside an egg), egg layers, and a hybrid of the two where the eggs are held until the point of hatching and then released shortly there after(sea horses).


Actually my analogy is on point, you being told incorrectly doesn't take away the possibility of my car (or god) being there. Because my argument is that god exists outside the confinements of religion. And just because a religion is wrong doesn't mean that God (or the idea of) doesn't exist.

You forgot the part where you are the voice of God and therefor infallible. The penalty for me correcting you about said car is worse than knowingly not believing you in the first place. There is also the penalty for having never known about the car in the first place.



Gods exist only in the confines of religion and without believers there are no gods. I could come in here telling every one about Marduk the defender smiting my enemies or Mercury saving me while driving and you guys would call me crazy(and rightly so). But why is that?

The only real reason is because no one believes in those gods any more.

Personally I am over God the same way the Romans got over Jupiter.

[theicecreamdan]

Yeah but the platypus also lays eggs, there are 4 other species of mammals that lay eggs but that is it! The joke isn't that where do they belong, its that we have a misunderstanding of what mammals are.



While a new species of a beaked whale makes for a valid point, it is still only macro-evolution. A localized version if you will. Now if they find a whale that has wings and bipedal legs they you are on to something. Or even one that isn't related to any other species of whales. :wcc:

How about a Dolphin with legs? And all of them already have wings.
http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/whales/dolphin_limbs.jpg
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k168/dave_matson/whales/dolphin_vestigial_limb/dolphin_hindfins_japan.jpg
But the beaked whale doesn't have anything to do with whales having beaks, legs or wings. I was only pointing out that there is a good probability of the existence of large animals in the sea that we have not been able to describe yet.

I don't see how we are misunderstanding what a mammal is? Or how man's lack of being able to explicitly describe the world/universe has any bearing on whether God exists or not.

[lflkajfj12123]

The argument of intelligent design creationism for the existence of god does not require religion. Nor does the first cause argument.

So how does god only exist in the confines of religion?

[kingkilburn]

The two go together.
Deity is to Religion as Idol is to Idolatry.

[BustedS13]

zany animals = there are invisible super heroes

[DeathMetal]

p.s. how many people here started with a religious background (parents taking you to church, religious friends, christian private schools), and then later in life turned to agnosticism/atheism?

I did the opposite. High school is when I became curious of this God fellow. A new family had moved into town and were taking over as pastors of a local church. It was a home for a while. I was the drummer for their youth band, I helped them with most anything they needed, and otherwise, just spent a bit of growing in a church to see what it was like.

I can be perfectly comfortable challenging the idea but living the lifestyle. I don't see why more people don't think freely of subjects like this. Nothing is plain text and nothing is unidimensional.

Boy, I tell ya, they had a tough time answering some of the questions that bubbled in my mind here and there.

Edit: I was once talking to someone who inspires me a lot. We were discussing the rules of religion. He said this "positive reanforcement for the followers of fad based self importance". It definitely struck a cord in me. I was discussing the role of the hierarchy in a church, even the small one I was in was like this. It's something about mixing popularity with spirituality that allows people to be self-righteous, self-loving, and self-congratulatory. In the real world, we'd just call this selfish, self-centered, and self-absorbed but yet, it's reinforced as positive behavior.

Seems to me like just another life-lesson kind of thing. The whole, "you can't love someone until you can learn to love yourself". What I question is, is this just the mind of a cynic dismissing this is "selfish" or is there something more going on that should be observed, is this what true religion is about; self love and self caring, or is this just real life mixed with spirituality?

[kingkilburn]

Boy, I tell ya, they had a tough time answering some of the questions that bubbled in my mind here and there.

That is the second largest thing that turns me away from Christianity.

[BustedS13]

I hate these threads because no one can ever discuss them in a mature manner. It ALWAYS (and already has) reverts to atheists/anyone anti-religion taking this overtly condescending tone


get off your high horse there, jackass.

[kingkilburn]

BustedS13 = My new favorite person.

[lflkajfj12123]

The two go together.
Deity is to Religion as Idol is to Idolatry.

Religion is like a sociological term. Believing that there is a creator of our existence doesn't mean you are religious. Maybe I misunderstood you but iuonnoooooo.

[kingkilburn]

The spiritual belief in a creator deity is pretty exclusive to religion.

Generally what people refer to spirituality is closer to shamanism. It breeds a respect for people and the world around you(mostly nature).

[revat619]

get off your high horse there, jackass.

I'm a jackass for calling out immaturity? OK, i can live with that...

:rolleyes:

[kingkilburn]

Did you not read the first post?

[Mikey213]

What's funny is (i'm not sure if any of you know this) but a lot of the religious text are basically the ancient Egyptian (not even sure if it's Egyptian could be older since other civilizations have the same book) "book of the dead" just reworded and edited a shit load. But the amazing part is that the book is basically all metaphorically about astrophysics.

[kingkilburn]

I find that hard to believe. People lost access to that text for thousands of years. I find it more likely that most religions are trying to answer the same set of questions with the same limited human awareness.

[aznpoopy]

how the fuck does anyone open with this:

Atheists don't believe in fairy tales.

and then close with this?

We spend our time finding logic and reason for how to create a morally beautiful world that gives our existence meaning. Not endless prayer to supernatural forces that may or may not exist.

Death is not of human experience and one should not let one's conscience involve itself with it too much because death does not belong to your essence.

wtf is this bullshit?
"morally beautiful world?"
"meaningful existence?"
"death does not belong to your essence"

you traded an old world fairy tale for some new age fairy tale anyone could come up with on a 5 minute acid trip.

[BustedS13]

I'm a jackass for calling out immaturity? OK, i can live with that...

:rolleyes:
read the first post when you're done high horsing around
high horsing all through this thread

[Mikey213]

I find that hard to believe. People lost access to that text for thousands of years. I find it more likely that most religions are trying to answer the same set of questions with the same limited human awareness.

What are you talking about? anybody can go see the "book of the dead" It's at the Louvre! Plus it's hieroglyphed' on one of the monuments in Egypt! like I said, it's not even all entirely a religious book but more like a science text book coded in metaphors. The Tibetan "book of the dead" is the same thing in a more spiritual connotation and you can find this almost anywhere! Why are you even talking out of your ass?! ahahaha

[Matej]

Instead of letting greedy church bros telling all the religious folk what to do, we should just have a board of properly selected good intelligent people update the Bible up to modern day spec for them.
It has been rewritten so many times and shaped by the church for its private gain, I do not see why it cannot be updated again. It is about time anyway. The Bible has not been updated in a while now, and many recent discoveries are making some religious beliefs contradict themselves so bad that the religion industry is just making itself look foolish trying to invent religious explanations for them. Pretty sure it would be in every religious person's best interest to have their religion updated to work better with today's world.
Like, put math equations and science and abortion in it, and a free full spread poster of the universe for the first 1000000 buyers.
That way, 21st century bros will not constantly be pulled into arguments with people stuck in dark age beliefs, and the religious folk can still be happy being told what to do and believe, without interfering with the evolution of humans.

[ronmcdon]

If it's has to be updated, it probably goes to show there were innaccuracies to begin with.
It's credibility would go down the shitter either way.

[Casanova0ne]

Do some dmt. Thank me later

[I LUV MY S13]

I love you, baby, but you know the rules

You're a jackass



p.s. how many people here started with a religious background (parents taking you to church, religious friends, christian private schools), and then later in life turned to agnosticism/atheism? I spent my childhood playing with church friends, I went to a Lutheran grade school and high school, went to church every sunday, own a half dozen bibles, but after a while it just became a big joke, and I wish I had that hour back each semester in HS that was spent on mandatory religious classes. I could have taken so many more art classes.

me..
i grew up a catholic my whole life, went through the communion and confirmation..my mom was kinda bummed when i told her im agnostic, dad was coo about it...my grandparents dont know they're hardcore haha..beat me with a cane

You so silly thread.

You too I luv my s13.


dont be mad cuz im right....oh and see you in a month ignorant one

[kingkilburn]

What are you talking about? anybody can go see the "book of the dead" It's at the Louvre! Plus it's hieroglyphed' on one of the monuments in Egypt! like I said, it's not even all entirely a religious book but more like a science text book coded in metaphors. The Tibetan "book of the dead" is the same thing in a more spiritual connotation and you can find this almost anywhere! Why are you even talking out of your ass?! ahahaha


When the Greek took over Egypt (4000 years ago) the Egyptian language died. Up until the 1800's no could read it. You tell me how any modern religion can be based on a text that was incomprehensible at the time.

[ranger240]

if you disagree, post here and i'll call you a jackass.



I AM GOD, ERGO GOD EXISTS


you all should pay tribute to me with new and used 240sx-compatable parts. it'll pay off next time i decide to flood yo hood noahs arc style

[Mikey213]

When the Greek took over Egypt (4000 years ago) the Egyptian language died. Up until the 1800's no could read it. You tell me how any modern religion can be based on a text that was incomprehensible at the time.

I guess you have no idea who Plato and Archimedes is. They themselves (and a bunch of other philosophers, mathematicians, Socrates etc) said that they learned most of their stuff in Egypt. They openly say it to it's just that no one cares to matter. Plus it would be pretty damn stupid for someone who supposedly invented pedagogy to not understand Egyptian hieroglyph on monuments which are geologically, astronomically, purposely, designed so people with a degree of knowledge can dynamically understand and learn it.

[kingkilburn]

They never said most. They did go there to study but this was in Alexandrian, the home of a HUGE library at the time. This Egypt is not the Egypt of Pharaohs and pyramids. This is an Egypt that is a Hellenistic colony of Greece. All the people there spoke Greek note Ancient Egyptian and it quickly became rare to read hieroglyphics.

You are not going to argue history with me. At least do your homework before trying.


EDIT

I said hieroglyphics are incomprehensible. Up until the discovery of the Rosetta Stone and subsequent translation of the Ancient Greek on it there wasn't even a way to start translating. No one had any clue what the stuff said. Even with a solid basis for translation it is still very difficult to translate into anything meaningful.

[BustedS13]

I guess you have no idea who Plato and Archimedes is.

:rofl: You need to work on your grammar. It's undermining your argument.

[Mikey213]

They never said most. They did go there to study but this was in Alexandrian, the home of a HUGE library at the time. This Egypt is not the Egypt of Pharaohs and pyramids. This is an Egypt that is a Hellenistic colony of Greece. All the people there spoke Greek note Ancient Egyptian and it quickly became rare to read hieroglyphics.

You are not going to argue history with me. At least do your homework before trying.


EDIT

I said hieroglyphics are incomprehensible. Up until the discovery of the Rosetta Stone and subsequent translation of the Ancient Greek on it there wasn't even a way to start translating. No one had any clue what the stuff said. Even with a solid basis for translation it is still very difficult to translate into anything meaningful.

HAHAHAH! When Socrates died, Plato studied in Egypt for 13 years! you think Plato is going to stay in Alexandria reading about Egyptian knowledge that could define his whole civilization when he could get information dynamically true? His mentor was Sechnuphis, a priest of Heliopolis, which is basically modern Cairo! (very near to the great pyramid) even to the Greeks it's known as the SUN CITY! Plus they're all metaphorical with their shit basically meaning a place of knowledge! THALES HIMSELF! said that the Egyptian priest were the source of knowledge and information! Even though his fuckin' protege Pythagoras who some think is the "first philosopher." These ancient Greek philosophers are way open in their writings stating the origins of their knowledge from ancient Egypt! It's the modern scholars of that time who didn't like it because they ether felt like dumb shits or took it as means of control to keep it dark. You seem to be a part of the victims that still fall for their BS (contradictorily to you, like the Christians) and it sucks my friend.

[Mikey213]

:rofl: You need to work on your grammar. It's undermining your argument.
I'm still buzzing or hung over fuck my life HAHAHAHA. Jesus might return in 2012 with his harp and raptor penis to dick slap me for my punctuation :wtc: Plus I don't care anymore if it undermines my ranting. It's cool if he doesn't believe me. It wont change anything anyway. HAHAHA shit is nonsense!

[BustedS13]

I'm still buzzing or hung over fuck my life HAHAHAHA. Jesus might return in 2012 with his harp and raptor penis to dick slap me for my punctuation :wtc:

watch out for His claws.

[kingkilburn]

HAHAHAH! When Socrates died, Plato studied in Egypt for 13 years! you think Plato is going to stay in Alexandria reading about Egyptian knowledge that could define his whole civilization when he could get information dynamically true? His mentor was Sechnuphis, a priest of Heliopolis, which is basically modern Cairo! (very near to the great pyramid) even to the Greeks it's known as the SUN CITY! Plus they're all metaphorical with their shit basically meaning a place of knowledge! THALES HIMSELF! said that the Egyptian priest were the source of knowledge and information! Even though his fuckin' protege Pythagoras who some think is the "first philosopher." These ancient Greek philosophers are way open in their writings stating the origins of their knowledge from ancient Egypt! It's the modern scholars of that time who didn't like it because they ether felt like dumb shits or took it as means of control to keep it dark. You seem to be a part of the victims that still fall for their BS (contradictorily to you, like the Christians) and it sucks my friend.

Nothing in this statement contradicts anything I said or bolsters the argument that western religion being based on the Egyptian Book of the Dead.

What does Greek philosophers sharing knowledge with Egyptian priests have to do with Christianity? Don't even try and say Christianity is based on
Greek philosophy because it's not.

Even better what does Greek philosophers sharing knowledge with Egyptian priests have to do with Judaism?

Do you realize that the Jewish faith is older than Egypt itself?

Lastly; Have you read anything from the Book of the Dead? It is a road map through the after life. Literally. There is no allegory or morality. Just a chain of events and how to navigate them.

[Mikey213]

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/54/Jesus_facepalm.jpg
(Like the Christians that you disapprove of)

Did you even read my post that you first replied to?
How do you even think I know about the Egyptian book of the dead?

[kingkilburn]

You make no sense at all.

[theicecreamdan]

How can you say you love her, if you won't even eat her poop?

[I LUV MY S13]

How can you say you love her, if you won't even eat her poop?


:ugh: WWJD..?

[Wake]

I cant believe I just read this thread

I think you guys were missing the OPs original point.

if you disagree, post here and i'll call you a jackass.



BustedS13 will look for any excuse to call people on Zilvia jackasses.
Way to give him 5 pages of opportunities.

[Walperstyle]

God exists outside the reasons and logic of minions.

.......
fixed

[kingkilburn]

So WakeBHR, where on the patented Zilvia Jackass-o-meter do you fall?

[Wake]

As far as this thread is concerned, Im not even on the fucking map.

I have (admittedly) committed my fair share of jackassery on this site.
However its rarely where most people on zilvia will see it.

Its in a mythical land, called Narnia.
Where a half goat man leads me through the woods and serves me tea in his little house in the side of a hill. Then allows me to act a jackass in the privacy of his home.

[Matej]

UB_htqDCP-s

[kingkilburn]

As far as this thread is concerned, Im not even on the fucking map.

I have (admittedly) committed my fair share of jackassery on this site.
However its rarely where most people on zilvia will see it.

Its in a mythical land, called Narnia.
Where a half goat man leads me through the woods and serves me tea in his little house in the side of a hill. Then allows me to act a jackass in the privacy of his home.

I think referencing Narnia puts you in the jackass category.

The Chronicles of Narnia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Narnia#Christian_parallels)

[Wake]

Hence you already being addressed as a jackass.

There are people here that will get the reference, and they are blue.

Its like fight club I cant talk about it.
You, however are a jackass.

[Csomme]

Hahaha, that kid is confused as shit. lol

[S14DB]

Hulu - Saturday Night Live: SNL Digital Short: Lazy Sunday (http://www.hulu.com/watch/1397/saturday-night-live-snl-digital-short-lazy-sunday)

[flip3d]

Oh Sky Cake... Why are you so delicious?

[pallnet]

Ok
This is a touchy subject in many groups, it sometimes causes fights especially when the believers realize that their argument is based mainly on faith and we all know that faith is all in your head…
I do believe in a few things:
Jesus may have existed but was he super natural? I think not…
Did he lead people that were willing to follow? Most likely so since you see this in modern times. Large amounts of senseless people tend to follow leaders that lie and use their power for personal gain.
Is there a god? Nature makes animals and changes in animals through out the process of evolution. There is no such thing as a super human of any sort that I have seen.
Could god have been an alien? Could have been , who knows?, You have to be one real self centered and close minded person to think we are the only intelligent life (not 100% of the human race) ever evolved.
My life is interesting on a daily basis. I married into very a religious family and they knew from day one that I am not religious in any way shape or form. I have read some from most mainstream religions just to understand them a little better. I have come up with my own way of going through life. I’m 3 years into this union and they have yet to try to convert me over, their pastor (The first female pastor I’ve ever met) likes me a lot but still no conversion attempts. I have yet to try to convert them, it looks like a lot of work to take on.. Ahahahhaha.
To sum it up: I try my best to do right by people and help them when I can. Will I throw myself into an on coming truck to save someone? Yes if it were a family member.
It is my understanding that:
God was developed by man to help carry the weaker man through life and give him some higher meaning in life.
Just my .02
pallnet

[z2roll4life7]

i love being a christian believe in my god or i will kill you doesnt get any better than that :)

[GT Motion]

If you don't believe in God, you had better hope your right...

[BustedS13]

i love being a christian believe in my god or i will kill you doesnt get any better than that :)

you are either being lulzy or you are a jackass who needs to read up on his religion.


God was developed by man to help carry the weaker man through life and give him some higher meaning in life.
Just my .02
pallnet

you are enlightened.

Hahaha, that kid is confused as shit. lol

you are quoting me in your signature. thanks for being a fan.

some stupid shit

You are a jackass.

[Wake]

You are a jackass.

You already dont like me so I really dont give a fuck about your opinion.
I just think your threads are funny sometime (well this one anyway).

And for someone that likes to call people jackasses you sure arent very good at telling when someone is doing it on purpose.

continue

[kingkilburn]

Still a jackass.

[BustedS13]

You already dont like me so I really dont give a fuck about your opinion.
I just think your threads are funny sometime (well this one anyway).

And for someone that likes to call people jackasses you sure arent very good at telling when someone is doing it on purpose.

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i was just calling you a jackass because i've always felt you're a bit of a douche. <3
i do, however, appreciate your balls-out attitude. we should tongue sometime

[Wake]

HAHA I can honestly that is the very first time in my entire life i have been called remotely douchey.

and I must say it really doesnt bother me coming from you.

Let me know when you wanna meet up and hug it out.

[mademedoit]

I never wanted to belive when I was a kid, I always wanted to learn. It never realy made since to me that people would waste part of their sunday reading the same book over and over and over until the die. And its those people that say we will never find out difficult answers. Maybe its they who only use ten persent of thier brian, if thats actualy true!

For those people out there who still repetivly read the same book each sunday instead of doing something else with thier life. Answer me this question: What is the purpose of this and why was it created? Virus - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virus)

Thread needs another one of these.http://www.profilebrand.com/funny-pictures/category/dogs/495_jesus-and-dog.gif

[Walperstyle]

The problem with Christians is that the word is spread by mankind. And a simple stroll on the internet reviles that mankind is pretty messed up. Don't blame god because you suck.

[ineedone]

Do alcoholics relapse when they take communion?

[BustedS13]

Don't blame god

You are a jackass.

[Mikey213]

Along time ago I was still fucked up at church from some party I went to. My parents had dragged me along and I couldn't wait till the end so I can eat the bread cuz I was hungry as hell. Plus there were or there always is some foine ass girls there! Nothing happened the bread is to small. I always wished it were thick you know? (the little cracker thing) But you'll never catch me taking a swig of that wine, fucken' bacteria hell you never know man it's sunday! Wives, widows, etc prolly been sucking some herped' out/aids craigslist cock!

[Wake]

wow

that was enlightening

[BustedS13]

Along time ago I was still fucked up at church from some party I went to. My parents had dragged me along and I couldn't wait till the end so I can eat the bread cuz I was hungry as hell. Plus there were or there always is some foine ass girls there! Nothing happened the bread is to small. I always wished it were thick you know? (the little cracker thing) But you'll never catch me taking a swig of that wine, fucken' bacteria hell you never know man it's sunday! Wives, widows, etc prolly been sucking some herped' out/aids craigslist cock!

i always went for the communal cup because nobody else used it, and it felt old school or something. plus you got way more wine. my church had the option of either that or little plastic shot glasses of wine.
and i remember going to a church once and when they passed out communion, instead of wafers they just had loaves of bread, and everybody got a chunk. it was kind of cool.
too bad it's all a bunch of bullshit and we just rot in the ground.

[DALAZ_68]

born catholic, all i need now is to get married and final blah blah when i die...i stopped going ot church roughly 8 yrs ago...not that there isnt a god, its just i dont feel the need to wake up at 8a.m. after getting plastered drunk the night before to listen to some old guy tell me how evil the way i live my life is...last i checked im a positive member of society, whether it be my job, my friends, and anythign i do, if i feel that i needed to cut loose on the 2 days i allow my self to cut loose and not attend some bull shit ceremony, i think im intitled to that...

i see it as, if you honestly live a good life, not for anyone else but urself, if you truely believe you lived a good life, when you time comes, you wont have regrets...whether there is such a thing as an afterlife, of you just rot into the ground, we have one life to live...

the hell with church, the hell with religion, the hell with some other person passing judgment on me that doesnt even know me...

ill repect ur right to ur religion and obviously wont talk shit to you about it...just dont bother me about it, do ur thing, ill do mine, frankly were both ending up in the ground at some point...its the choices we make as human beings that get us there sooner or later...

[DeathMetal]

the hell with some other person passing judgment on me that doesnt even know me...

People do that shit with or without the badge of honor they think God has blessed them with.

I really just hate that statement though. People in church judge you just as much as the person you see walking down the street.

[DALAZ_68]

People do that shit with or without the badge of honor they think God has blessed them with.

I really just hate that statement though. People in church judge you just as much as the person you see walking down the street.

sorry, in public ive never seen a complete stranger point to another person in a crowd and start calling them a sinner and blah blah...

church on the other hand...i have...

[Wake]

If there is a God Im pretty sure he hates me, specifically.

[Phlip]

sorry, in public ive never seen a complete stranger point to another person in a crowd and start calling them a sinner and blah blah...

church on the other hand...i have...

Never seen a PETA rally?

[DALAZ_68]

Never seen a PETA rally?
nope...surprising for the fact that i live in SoCal right? :faint:

last i checked...what the point in caring about what someone thinks of you...

i just dont go to church to hear it every sunday morning while having a hangover...:coolugh:

if you go to church, u go, if you dont, u dont, who am i to judge...who is anyone to judge...if there is said higher power in which we are under there form, so be it, well all find out eventually...

[Wake]

HAHA or come to cali and meet some over the top, hardcore, vegans.

who would have thought sickly little vegetarian types could be so vicious?

[victorw210]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4kJ7SSdFIk
this asshole came to my school and told everyone they were going to hell,actually kind of funny he called all sororities girl sluts and said all they do is suck penises

[ineedone]

born catholic, all i need now is to get married and final blah blah when i die...i stopped going ot church roughly 8 yrs ago...not that there isnt a god, its just i dont feel the need to wake up at 8a.m. after getting plastered drunk the night before to listen to some old guy tell me how evil the way i live my life is...last i checked im a positive member of society, whether it be my job, my friends, and anythign i do, if i feel that i needed to cut loose on the 2 days i allow my self to cut loose and not attend some bull shit ceremony, i think im intitled to that...

i see it as, if you honestly live a good life, not for anyone else but urself, if you truely believe you lived a good life, when you time comes, you wont have regrets...whether there is such a thing as an afterlife, of you just rot into the ground, we have one life to live...

the hell with church, the hell with religion, the hell with some other person passing judgment on me that doesnt even know me...

ill repect ur right to ur religion and obviously wont talk shit to you about it...just dont bother me about it, do ur thing, ill do mine, frankly were both ending up in the ground at some point...its the choices we make as human beings that get us there sooner or later...

One thing God is definitely doing right now is judging you for your complete destruction of any form of grammar he may (or if your a non believer "may not") have created.

Personally, I point at people in public and judge them all the time. That is what they made outside seating at bars for. I tend to call it by its less offensive moniker though, "People Watching". It is a sport in some circles, I have won the 'ship twice. Get on my level?

I am a big believer in Afro Raptor Jesus... aka Bill Maher

[irax]

pffffft bill maher, all he has is fundamentalist, bush and pot jokes... he has jumped the shark years and years ago.

[Wake]

Bill Maher should have shut up when he had his own show.

The first time.

[BustedS13]

i'll agree with you guys on that. bill maher is a boner.

[2_slow_40]

I know most of you guys will disagree with what I'm about to say, and call it a complete waste of time, and life for that matter, but I will follow what I believe, just like all of you do...Right? I am not at all religious, but I really don't think the majority of the posters in this thread truely know the difference between a religious person, and a person who follows God's word anyways. All I can tell you, is that believing in God and doing what I feel is right, whether it be by following Godly principals, has saved my life. I attend church regularly, (probably a lot more than most people on here), and I do believe in God. I fail to see how that makes me ignorant. My belief in God makes me a better person, imo. I read my Bible, and I pray, (although, not as much as I know I should). The Bible states that there is Heaven and Hell, and that you will go to one or the other, depending on the choices you make. (I am not trying to shove the Bible down your throats, I am merely making a point). It states that the only way to heaven, is through Jesus Christ, blah blah blah.
I like to think of it like this: You can go either one of two ways...
A: Accept Jesus as your savior, and go to Heaven.
Or...
B: Not accept him, and go to Hell.

Now let's say you don't believe this, you can either,
A: Realize that, "Hey, what if I'm wrong, and there is a Heaven and Hell, and I could possibly go to Hell if I choose B, and the Bible is actually true".
You can then choose to live your life as a better person, and maybe follow God's word.
Or you can,
B: Live your life a quarter mile at a time, and do whatever you want.
You can kill people, step on animals, call black people the N word. Basically disregard everything the Bible says, and be a complete jerk. All the while not believing in Heaven or Hell.

I gaurantee you that one of two scenarios will happen:

1st scenario: The Bible is actually true. You die, and if you chose:
A: You will spend eternity in Heaven.
If you chose:
B: You will spend eternity in Hell.

Or
2nd scenario: The Bible wasn't real. You die, and nothing else happens.
You chose:
A: You lived a good life, you helped people, you didn't put them down, and you did what was right. No harm no foul. People remember you as one of the nicest, coolest, etc... people they've ever known. You will be missed.

Or, you chose:
B: You were a jerk, did what you wanted no matter who it hurt, had 'fun'. Some people are glad you are dead, and you are not missed. You are dead... You remember none of this... EVER!

So, on the 'off chance' that scenario 1 is real, maybe we should all think about choosing A.

And even if there is no God, and we all just die and nothing else happens, is it really all a waste if we lived for something more, since we won't remember anything anyways???

I try to live my life as the best person I can be. I don't say bad words, I don't kill people, I try to treat people as I would like to be treated. I try to be nice and heplful to everyone I meet. I mess up all the time, I am very human, and very humble. I just believe that whether or not God exists, I should try my best to do what is right.
Is that so bad?

I also think that God isn't God, if he fits inside our heads.

[2_slow_40]

I just realized how long that was, and nobody probably even read it.
Oh well.

[BustedS13]

I attend church regularly, (probably a lot more than most people on here)

that's so awesome for you, jackass!

I think Jesus said something about the Pharisees that you should read

[ronmcdon]

I know most of you guys will disagree with what I'm about to say, and call it a complete waste of time, and life for that matter, but I will follow what I believe, just like all of you do...Right? I am not at all religious, but I really don't think the majority of the posters in this thread truely know the difference between a religious person, and a person who follows God's word anyways. All I can tell you, is that believing in God and doing what I feel is right, whether it be by following Godly principals, has saved my life. I attend church regularly, (probably a lot more than most people on here), and I do believe in God. I fail to see how that makes me ignorant. My belief in God makes me a better person, imo. I read my Bible, and I pray, (although, not as much as I know I should). The Bible states that there is Heaven and Hell, and that you will go to one or the other, depending on the choices you make. (I am not trying to shove the Bible down your throats, I am merely making a point). It states that the only way to heaven, is through Jesus Christ, blah blah blah.
I like to think of it like this: You can go either one of two ways...
A: Accept Jesus as your savior, and go to Heaven.
Or...
B: Not accept him, and go to Hell.

Now let's say you don't believe this, you can either,
A: Realize that, "Hey, what if I'm wrong, and there is a Heaven and Hell, and I could possibly go to Hell if I choose B, and the Bible is actually true".
You can then choose to live your life as a better person, and maybe follow God's word.
Or you can,
B: Live your life a quarter mile at a time, and do whatever you want.
You can kill people, step on animals, call black people the N word. Basically disregard everything the Bible says, and be a complete jerk. All the while not believing in Heaven or Hell.

I gaurantee you that one of two scenarios will happen:

1st scenario: The Bible is actually true. You die, and if you chose:
A: You will spend eternity in Heaven.
If you chose:
B: You will spend eternity in Hell.

Or
2nd scenario: The Bible wasn't real. You die, and nothing else happens.
You chose:
A: You lived a good life, you helped people, you didn't put them down, and you did what was right. No harm no foul. People remember you as one of the nicest, coolest, etc... people they've ever known. You will be missed.

Or, you chose:
B: You were a jerk, did what you wanted no matter who it hurt, had 'fun'. Some people are glad you are dead, and you are not missed. You are dead... You remember none of this... EVER!

So, on the 'off chance' that scenario 1 is real, maybe we should all think about choosing A.

And even if there is no God, and we all just die and nothing else happens, is it really all a waste if we lived for something more, since we won't remember anything anyways???

I try to live my life as the best person I can be. I don't say bad words, I don't kill people, I try to treat people as I would like to be treated. I try to be nice and heplful to everyone I meet. I mess up all the time, I am very human, and very humble. I just believe that whether or not God exists, I should try my best to do what is right.
Is that so bad?

I also think that God isn't God, if he fits inside our heads.

Alternate scenario:

Real god is Allah, Buddha, Jim Jones, etc
Turns out you've been worshipping the wrong god & go to hell anyways.
Problem with all theology is there are too many hypothetical 'what if's"
You won't ever know the truth if you're using that type of logic (or lack thereof)
Even atheism/agnostisicm isn't worth the hassle in contemplation imo.

My philosophy is concern myself with things I know I can make a difference (like where to get a burger),
and disregard the abstract & irrelevant.
In other-wards, be practical.

http://thedailybite.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/jim-jones.jpg

[cesar_240]

I know most of you guys will disagree with what I'm about to say, and call it a complete waste of time, and life for that matter, but I will follow what I believe, just like all of you do...Right? I am not at all religious, but I really don't think the majority of the posters in this thread truely know the difference between a religious person, and a person who follows God's word anyways. All I can tell you, is that believing in God and doing what I feel is right, whether it be by following Godly principals, has saved my life. I attend church regularly, (probably a lot more than most people on here), and I do believe in God. I fail to see how that makes me ignorant. My belief in God makes me a better person, imo. I read my Bible, and I pray, (although, not as much as I know I should). The Bible states that there is Heaven and Hell, and that you will go to one or the other, depending on the choices you make. (I am not trying to shove the Bible down your throats, I am merely making a point). It states that the only way to heaven, is through Jesus Christ, blah blah blah.
I like to think of it like this: You can go either one of two ways...
A: Accept Jesus as your savior, and go to Heaven.
Or...
B: Not accept him, and go to Hell.

Now let's say you don't believe this, you can either,
A: Realize that, "Hey, what if I'm wrong, and there is a Heaven and Hell, and I could possibly go to Hell if I choose B, and the Bible is actually true".
You can then choose to live your life as a better person, and maybe follow God's word.
Or you can,
B: Live your life a quarter mile at a time, and do whatever you want.
You can kill people, step on animals, call black people the N word. Basically disregard everything the Bible says, and be a complete jerk. All the while not believing in Heaven or Hell.

I gaurantee you that one of two scenarios will happen:

1st scenario: The Bible is actually true. You die, and if you chose:
A: You will spend eternity in Heaven.
If you chose:
B: You will spend eternity in Hell.

Or
2nd scenario: The Bible wasn't real. You die, and nothing else happens.
You chose:
A: You lived a good life, you helped people, you didn't put them down, and you did what was right. No harm no foul. People remember you as one of the nicest, coolest, etc... people they've ever known. You will be missed.

Or, you chose:
B: You were a jerk, did what you wanted no matter who it hurt, had 'fun'. Some people are glad you are dead, and you are not missed. You are dead... You remember none of this... EVER!

So, on the 'off chance' that scenario 1 is real, maybe we should all think about choosing A.

And even if there is no God, and we all just die and nothing else happens, is it really all a waste if we lived for something more, since we won't remember anything anyways???

I try to live my life as the best person I can be. I don't say bad words, I don't kill people, I try to treat people as I would like to be treated. I try to be nice and heplful to everyone I meet. I mess up all the time, I am very human, and very humble. I just believe that whether or not God exists, I should try my best to do what is right.
Is that so bad?

I also think that God isn't God, if he fits inside our heads.


I agree with you on that man

[BustedS13]

I agree with you on that man

You are a jackass.

[cesar_240]

BustedS13, why am I a jackass? haha

[BustedS13]

this shit gets my dick so hard.

[Wake]

Busted is about to bust in his bellybutton.

[ineedone]

B: Live your life a quarter mile at a time, and do whatever you want.
You can kill people, step on animals, call black people the N word. Basically disregard everything the Bible says, and be a complete jerk. All the while not believing in Heaven or Hell.

Oh man... Look I get it, the Bible has made you a "better" person. However, if you truly read the Bible, you will find much worse things have happened and are allowed to happen in the name of God (The "N" word is not in the Bible buddy!) then any of the things you just said.

I do not do any of those things, and going to church is not the reason. I am a good person just because. I do not need anything or anyone to tell me that being a decent person is the way to live my life. If your only reason for not slaughtering all of mankind is "Jesus" you need a lot more help.

Look I have no idea what happens when you die, for anyone to tell you they know, well they are absolute jackasses. If all it takes is to believe in Jesus to go to heaven, well do you see how many loopholes there are to get through the pearly gates? Plenty of real bad people (Murders, Rapist, Terrorist) truly believe in God/Jesus, The alien Father who fathered himself without penetration, and by your standards they are all poised for a nice seat in H-Town.

Answer me this question... why does God, the supposed creator of all and blah blah blah, have such petty human emotions like jealousy? Everyone knows jealousy is a sickness...

[iHeartTheTouge]

Religion kills. Best known example besides all the suicide bombings, The Crusades. I hope you all learned something about this in school.

Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades)

[DeathMetal]

sorry, in public ive never seen a complete stranger point to another person in a crowd and start calling them a sinner and blah blah...

church on the other hand...i have...

Oh you've never heard those stories or seen stuff on TV about hate crimes and random shit like that?

[ineedone]

Religion kills. Best known example besides all the suicide bombings, The Crusades. I hope you all learned something about this in school.

Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades)

Full Disclosure: I went to a catholic school at one time.

However, I did research on some interesting studies and without boring you I will give you some funny/sad/interesting conclusions.

Pedophiles are drawn to the clergy. There is many reasons, but two stand out. First, it is the belief that God can "fix" their indiscretions. Well, we all know that does not work. The Vatican, for example, has a huge conference to tell its Priests to stop raping little boys (which has not worked... obviously/sadly). Second, the clergy gives them the temptation, power, and control over young minds. They are given the opportunity to do what they want to these children with little to no fear of ever being caught and/or prosecuted (whenever a member of the catholic church is involved in a controversy they get shipped out by the Vatican state for an "internal investigation" which rarely ever leads to anything but the priest just raping children somewhere else in the world in God's name). Now I am not going to go into what happens when a child is molested, but it is a lot worse when they are molested in the name of God (or by someone they see as a spiritual leader). A young mind simply can not process this, which often leads to serious mental disorders requiring hospitalization or serious therapy. Just some food for thought for the bible thumpers!

oh and just in case anyone named Lisa reads this :lfault:

[S14DB]

AFVI 2010: T. Boone Pickens believes God gave the U.S. our natural gas supplies &mdash; Autoblog Green (http://green.autoblog.com/2010/05/11/afvi-2010-t-boone-pickens-believes-god-gave-the-u-s-our-natur/)

[2_slow_40]

that's so awesome for you, jackass!

I think Jesus said something about the Pharisees that you should read

Well, I never said that I was better than anyone else. I wasn't boasting about how often I attend church... That would make no sense here. I was only letting everyone know where I stand, as far as going to church. I never said that just because I go to church, I am right in everything I do. I don't do what I do to impress anyone, I do what I do because it's what I want to do. I fail to see how I am in any way equivalent to a Pharisee. Maybe you can show me the scripture you are refering to, unless I already covered it just now??

Alternate scenario:

Real god is Allah, Buddha, Jim Jones, etc
Turns out you've been worshipping the wrong god & go to hell anyways.
Problem with all theology is there are too many hypothetical 'what if's"
You won't ever know the truth if you're using that type of logic (or lack thereof)
Even atheism/agnostisicm isn't worth the hassle in contemplation imo.

I got ya. Believe me, I am not ignorant to the fact that I could possibly be wrong in my beliefs. I am very open minded, and I know the possibilites. This is my logic ("or lack thereof"). I chose to follow Jesus Christ, (as opposed to raptor jesus), because it made the most sense to me. If it turns out that my choice was wrong, so be it... I will humbly accept.
It is impossible to follow every different religion or whatever out there, so it's up to you to choose the one (if any) that you want to 'follow'... I choose to do what I believe is 'the right thing to do'... What makes the most sense to me... What works for me... I understand that what works for one person, doesn't always work for everyone else, which is why there are so many different religions... Right?? So, ultimately, it's a choice that you have to make... Mine being to follow in the teachings of Jesus Christ.

My philosophy is concern myself with things I know I can make a difference (like where to get a burger),
and disregard the abstract & irrelevant.
In other-wards, be practical.


I respect your choice... I don't agree with it completely, but it works for you right?? For me, it's just not enough... You know what I mean?

Oh man... Look I get it, the Bible has made you a "better" person. However, if you truly read the Bible, you will find much worse things have happened and are allowed to happen in the name of God (The "N" word is not in the Bible buddy!) then any of the things you just said.

Well, first of all, I do read my Bible, admittedly not enough, but I do read it. I never said that the "N" word was in the Bible, buddy... (Although it does say, "Don't let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth").
My point was that you can choose to live your life like nothing will happen after you die, and have no regard for other beings around you, or you can choose to live above the nonscense. It's your choice.

I do not do any of those things, and going to church is not the reason. I am a good person just because. I do not need anything or anyone to tell me that being a decent person is the way to live my life. If your only reason for not slaughtering all of mankind is "Jesus" you need a lot more help.

Well, I applaud you for your decency... But, I never said that I, personally, would be a murderer if it weren't for Jesus. I know to be a 'decent person' all on my own. You are just picking parts of my post, and twisting them around in your mind, to make me look bad. Where did I say that my "only reason for not slaughtering all of mankind is "Jesus"."???
Following the teachings and ways of Jesus Christ, has helped me in my life... Not that I would be a murderer if I didn't, but it has helped me in other ways.

Look I have no idea what happens when you die, for anyone to tell you they know, well they are absolute jackasses. If all it takes is to believe in Jesus to go to heaven, well do you see how many loopholes there are to get through the pearly gates? Plenty of real bad people (Murders, Rapist, Terrorist) truly believe in God/Jesus, The alien Father who fathered himself without penetration, and by your standards they are all poised for a nice seat in H-Town.

Right!!! All you have to do is believe in Jesus... :rolleyes:

Look, I never said that believing in Jesus alone will get you into Heaven.
Once again: There you go twisting my words around, just for the sake of having an arguement. So go ahead and re-read what I wrote, and twist it around some more, so that you can have a strong arguing point.

Answer me this question... why does God, the supposed creator of all and blah blah blah, have such petty human emotions like jealousy? Everyone knows jealousy is a sickness...

Well, let me ask you this: If you created a being, and the majority decided that they weren't going to believe in you, even though you created them, wouldn't you also be jealous???
And who are you to say that jealousy is a "petty human emotion"??? If God created everything, didn't he also create emotion?

[Mikey213]

If any one knew how to create a being, which is actually possible nowadays, wouldn't you think they would have the knowledge of realizing all the dynamic outcomes? And who are you to say what is and what isn't, you blasphemous ass clown hahahaha But you know what? You are right in everything you do, down to the secret knowledge of systematically, psycologically, loyalizing' youself to pawnism' and to a higher meaning! So to that my hats off to you kind sir!

[2_slow_40]

If any one knew how to create a being, which is actually possible nowadays, wouldn't you think they would have the knowledge of realizing all the dynamic outcomes?

Well duh... Of course they would!!! But don't you think it would be pretty lame to create an entire race, and have them all do the same thing, having no say in what they do... Basically programmed to do whatever you tell them... What's the point???

And who are you to say what is and what isn't, you blasphemous ass clown hahahaha

When did I say what is and what isn't??? I am nobody special, and I know this. What I said, was what I BELIEVE is and what I BELIEVE isn't... There's a difference.

I don't claim to KNOW anything, I explain that I BELIEVE some things.

But you know what? You are right in everything you do, down to the secret knowledge of systematically, psycologically, loyalizing' youself to pawnism' and to a higher meaning! So to that my hats off to you kind sir!

I am not right in everything I do... I am hardly right in anything I do, but I try my best to be the best I can be. I don't claim to be better than anyone else... I just do what I feel I shouild do.

[Mikey213]

2_slow_40 (http://zilvia.net/f/members/2_slow_40.html): I never said that just because I go to church, I am right in everything I do.
I am not right in everything I do... I am hardly right in anything I do, but I try my best to be the best I can be.It's ok, hahahah i understand what you're saying though :angel:

[ineedone]

Well, first of all, I do read my Bible, admittedly not enough, but I do read it. I never said that the "N" word was in the Bible, buddy... (Although it does say, "Don't let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouth").
My point was that you can choose to live your life like nothing will happen after you die, and have no regard for other beings around you, or you can choose to live above the nonscense. It's your choice.

This is what you said in case you forgot B: Live your life a quarter mile at a time, and do whatever you want.
You can kill people, step on animals, call black people the N word. Basically disregard everything the Bible says, and be a complete jerk. All the while not believing in Heaven or Hell.

Just saying.... oh and use spell check, spelling words wrong defeats your argument. I do not want you to take this as an attack on you or anything you believe, but, I am going to point out some things in your points that are just... well... not good? First, Unwholesome talk? what is that, please give me the criteria to judge that on (and what century it came from)... If you live your life with no regard, chances are your headed to jail. Seeing as your "God" does nothing to stop them... I am going to stand by my argument that if the only reason you live a good life is because of a book, your problems are more serious than you know.

Well, I applaud you for your decency... But, I never said that I, personally, would be a murderer if it weren't for Jesus. I know to be a 'decent person' all on my own. You are just picking parts of my post, and twisting them around in your mind, to make me look bad. Where did I say that my "only reason for not slaughtering all of mankind is "Jesus"."???
Following the teachings and ways of Jesus Christ, has helped me in my life... Not that I would be a murderer if I didn't, but it has helped me in other ways.

I was not trying to make "you" look bad, just your argument. Read what you wrote, what you infer is that Jesus = Good, No Jesus = Bad (I do not feel like pointing every inference of that out, but its there...). I truly believe the bible may have helped you through some stuff, just as much as any "self-help" book as helped out anyone who has had issues. I can not truly believe though that without the Bible you would be some sort of nut case. The mind is just not that simple.



Right!!! All you have to do is believe in Jesus... :rolleyes:

The Bible teaches that the ONLY way to have eternal life is through Jesus. Seriously your going to argue that? :duh:

Look, I never said that believing in Jesus alone will get you into Heaven.
Once again: There you go twisting my words around, just for the sake of having an arguement. So go ahead and re-read what I wrote, and twist it around some more, so that you can have a strong arguing point.

I did not say you said all you need to do is believe in Jesus, the Bible says that.... my point is strong, strong like bull. :s101:


Well, let me ask you this: If you created a being, and the majority decided that they weren't going to believe in you, even though you created them, wouldn't you also be jealous???
And who are you to say that jealousy is a "petty human emotion"??? If God created everything, didn't he also create emotion?

Uh, this is totally a losing argument to make man. If I created humans, I would be like... Hey guys it was me, then I would point to my crouch and say "OH YEEEEAAHHHH". I also would not condemn people to Hell just because they were skeptical of who I was, that seems a bit extreme, and well... stupid. If God created "emotion" then he also created terrorism (see how I did that... pretty cool huh?) and why would he want to viciously murder the people he created? just for fun? slightly sadistic would you say? That does not sound like a just and loving God to me (I know I am awesome with this).

If you want other instances of just pointless nonsense look at the 10 commandments, are those truly the 10 most important laws of life? Really?

Look, you are not going to "win" any of these arguments, and in the same breath I most likely will not convince you to look at things the way I do. Arguing with me though, will not work out for you. There is no proof on your side, not a single shred of tangible evidence. All there is is faith and a blind belief.

[kingkilburn]

It's so fun not having to be the one doing this this time. :D

[spooled240]

i think religion is just a product of society to keep people from going ape shit and robbing/killing each other like wild animals

[Touge Noob S13]

Religion kills. Best known example besides all the suicide bombings, The Crusades. I hope you all learned something about this in school.

Crusades - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades)


Srlsy, that tired argument? Did you forget about all the athiest dictators in history that killed more people than that in order to gain complete control of the countries they ruled? (As well as trying to elimante religon in those countries)

[kingkilburn]

Just because it's been used before doesn't make it any less valid.

[shinobis13hb]

http://i682.photobucket.com/albums/vv190/danebow240/9n5kG3.jpgok so i am sitting here in la in the jury room waiting to be called.. im trying soo hard not to LOL all over the place. and witch is odd because they have like 10 computers and give us all FREe wifi... i wonder whos paying for that.. hahah i smell something fishy and its not the person next to me.

[Touge Noob S13]

Just because it's been used before doesn't make it any less valid.

It is a rather weak argument assuming that religon is the one thing that is the cause of death and destruction around the world.

[ineedone]

Srlsy, that tired argument? Did you forget about all the athiest dictators in history that killed more people than that in order to gain complete control of the countries they ruled? (As well as trying to elimante religon in those countries)

Arguably, Atheism is a pseudo religion... I do not, however, know of any one murdering because they are not sure what to believe (Agnostic) though I could be wrong.

[ineedone]

It is a rather weak argument assuming that religon is the one thing that is the cause of death and destruction around the world.

The only cause, no, but a major cause? Hard to say no to that.

Does God also hate spell check? Why can no one on Zilvia spell...

[iHeartTheTouge]

It is a rather weak argument assuming that religon is the one thing that is the cause of death and destruction around the world.

I didnt say anything about it being the only thing that causes anything. Just an example of senseless, unneeded violence in the name of "god". That old argument, lol.

[2_slow_40]

This is what you said in case you forgot

Just saying.... oh and use spell check, spelling words wrong defeats your argument. I do not want you to take this as an attack on you or anything you believe, but, I am going to point out some things in your points that are just... well... not good? First, Unwholesome talk? what is that, please give me the criteria to judge that on (and what century it came from)... If you live your life with no regard, chances are your headed to jail. Seeing as your "God" does nothing to stop them... I am going to stand by my argument that if the only reason you live a good life is because of a book, your problems are more serious than you know.

Well, congratulations to you for finding, and pointing out a single word that I happened to misspell. You are awesome, high five to you.
I was not in any way infering that the Bible said, "Don't call black people the "N" word". Those were 2 different sentences, separated by a ".", that you read together, apparently.
Here you go:
“Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.” - Ephesians 4:29

That's actually in the Bible, and that's what I was refering to. I believe that if you call people hurtful, disrespectful names, you are in no way "building up others according to their needs". Do you really want me to explain to you when the Bible was written???

And by the way, I already stated previousely, that I don't live a 'good life', just because of a 'book'. I live my life the way I do, because it's what I want to do. Do I really need to explain this again???

And no, God doesn't stop people from doing anything... We have a choice in what we do.


I was not trying to make "you" look bad, just your argument. Read what you wrote, what you infer is that Jesus = Good, No Jesus = Bad (I do not feel like pointing every inference of that out, but its there...).

I don't deny this... I never did. This is more or less, part of what I believe.
What's your point???

I truly believe the bible may have helped you through some stuff, just as much as any "self-help" book as helped out anyone who has had issues. I can not truly believe though that without the Bible you would be some sort of nut case. The mind is just not that simple.

Then why did you say this:

If your only reason for not slaughtering all of mankind is "Jesus" you need a lot more help.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems to me that you were infering that, if not for jesus, I would be "slaughtering all of mankind"!!!


The Bible teaches that the ONLY way to have eternal life is through Jesus. Seriously your going to argue that? :duh:

Correct. I never denied this. The only way to have eternal life, IS through Jesus Christ. When did I argue against that???



I did not say you said all you need to do is believe in Jesus, the Bible says that.... my point is strong, strong like bull. :s101:

If all it takes is to believe in Jesus to go to heaven, well do you see how many loopholes there are to get through the pearly gates?

Where in the Bible does it say that whether you follow Jesus or not, as long as you believe he lived, you'll go to Heaven???
There's more to it than that sir.




Uh, this is totally a losing argument to make man. If I created humans, I would be like... Hey guys it was me, then I would point to my crouch and say "OH YEEEEAAHHHH". I also would not condemn people to Hell just because they were skeptical of who I was, that seems a bit extreme, and well... stupid.

That is your thinking right? You sir, are not God, so that is irrelevant. Everyone is given a chance to believe that God is their creator, and give their life to him. If you choose not to, that's YOUR choice right??? You obviousely know what will happen if you don't... Correct? Soo, basically, you decide whether or not you want to go to Hell... YOU condemn YOURSELF, by the choices you make... You get what I'm saying??


Also, I've said this before: "I think God isn't God, if he fits inside our heads."

I don't claim to understand everything about God, and why he does certain things. We have sooo many questions... The thing is: We aren't really be able to understand God completely, being that we are humans.

If God created "emotion" then he also created terrorism (see how I did that... pretty cool huh?) and why would he want to viciously murder the people he created? just for fun? slightly sadistic would you say? That does not sound like a just and loving God to me (I know I am awesome with this).

Actually, God created the Earth and everything in it... Yes, that means man... Man is unhappy, and turns to terrorist... Man creates terrorism. So yes, in a way, it stemmed from God, but ultimately, it was man's idea.
And like I said before, God's actions upon us, are pretty much in our own hands. Maybe God seems pretty roothless to us, but nothing goes without reason.

If you want other instances of just pointless nonsense look at the 10 commandments, are those truly the 10 most important laws of life? Really?

Yes, in fact they were. Back before the new testament... Before the Word became Flesh: Jesus Christ.

Look, you are not going to "win" any of these arguments, and in the same breath I most likely will not convince you to look at things the way I do. Arguing with me though, will not work out for you. There is no proof on your side, not a single shred of tangible evidence. All there is is faith and a blind belief.

It's not that I'm trying to "win any of these arguments", (as you clearly are), I'm simply stating my opinion, and where I stand as far as believing in God or not. And no, you will not convince me of anything, nor I you. But the thing is, I am not trying to convince you of anything, so that is also irrelevant. Remember, you first quoted my post, not the other way around... I am simply answering to your arguments against my beliefs.

No physical evidece... Correct. Faith, yes... Belief, yes...

[ineedone]

I think my answer would be best summed as

You are a jackass.

and now I am walking it out to this <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/XgFj-ZHAGzY&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/XgFj-ZHAGzY&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

someone else can pick up the slack now

[2_slow_40]

Ok, I guess you "win" then sir. Good day to you.
I'm done with this nonsence.

[ineedone]

Ok, I guess you "win" then sir. Good day to you.
I'm done with this nonsence.

....see, spelling....

This is what your argument looks like when you can not spell, and or, use proper grammar. In this example I am Anderson Silva, just patiently waiting for you to say (or spell) something wrong. You, Forest Griffin, are desperately punching (or reaching for a point in an argument) that might make sense. Your attempts though, as portrayed in the tasty little video I have embedded, are nonsensical and ultimately you are made to look like a fool.

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Lil Flip "Game Over"

[Touge Noob S13]

Arguably, Atheism is a pseudo religion... I do not, however, know of any one murdering because they are not sure what to believe (Agnostic) though I could be wrong.

I dont either, because agnostics are at least honset enough to admit that humans just dont know anything.
The only cause, no, but a major cause? Hard to say no to that.

Does God also hate spell check? Why can no one on Zilvia spell...

Why cant members with small post counts learn how to multiquote. Im guessing God hates multiquote too, right?

I didnt say anything about it being the only thing that causes anything. Just an example of senseless, unneeded violence in the name of "god". That old argument, lol.

It is one example and I presented another on athiest but I dont think you bothered to read that one.....

[ineedone]

Why cant members with small post counts learn how to multiquote. Im guessing God hates multiquote too, right?

No, God does not hate multi-quote, I am just to lazy. However, God does hate people who joined 3 years after me. Welcome to Hell... :rl: at least it is always warm!:rawk:

[Touge Noob S13]

No, God does not hate multi-quote, I am just to lazy. However, God does hate people who joined 3 years after me. Welcome to Hell... :rl: at least it is always warm!:rawk:

Oh forgive me almighty ineedone. I didnt know you were the only one who could be lazy, I always thought that anyone could be lazy but I guess if they dont agree with you, they are not allowed. I beg forgiveness!!!!

[ineedone]

Oh forgive me almighty ineedone. I didnt know you were the only one who could be lazy, I always thought that anyone could be lazy but I guess if they dont agree with you, they are not allowed. I beg forgiveness!!!!

You are forgiven my son. Have all the whores and drinks you may desire. :boink:

[drift_limo]

http://i39.tinypic.com/aw418z.jpg

thats how I feel.

[kingkilburn]

It is a rather weak argument assuming that religon is the one thing that is the cause of death and destruction around the world.

Who claimed it to be the only cause? That is just asinine.

It is a major cause and to shrug off the crusades is rather blind off you.

[kingkilburn]

Holy Christ (:rimshot:) is there a bunch of nonsense in here.

Just because you can read a book does not mean you come any where near comprehending it.

If you really, and I mean REALLY, read the old testament you would know that Jesus could not have been the Messiah. You would also know that covenant between the Jews and God is not extended to the rest of "Gods children" thus you have wasted your life. If there is a heaven you aren't on the guest list.

Now I will wait for one of two things.
1. You will go read the entirety of the old testament and truly understand it.

or

2. You will come back and spout some nonsense and be called a jackass.








There is so much I could and maybe should say but the jackasses in here are making themselves look stupid enough so I will abstain. . . for now.

[Touge Noob S13]

Who claimed it to be the only cause? That is just asinine.

It is a major cause and to shrug off the crusades is rather blind off you.

Suicide bombings and the crusades were mentioned. How did I shrug off the crusades?

[I LUV MY S13]

http://i39.tinypic.com/aw418z.jpg

thats how I feel.

so evolution or the big bang didnt happen? cuz i dont see pics of that

[lawrenceyang]

thread is a shitfest of jackasses

[Touge Noob S13]

Holy Christ (:rimshot:) is there a bunch of nonsense in here.

Just because you can read a book does not mean you come any where near comprehending it.

If you really, and I mean REALLY, read the old testament you would know that Jesus could not have been the Messiah. You would also know that covenant between the Jews and God is not extended to the rest of "Gods children" thus you have wasted your life. If there is a heaven you aren't on the guest list.

Now I will wait for one of two things.
1. You will go read the entirety of the old testament and truly understand it.

or

2. You will come back and spout some nonsense and be called a jackass.








There is so much I could and maybe should say but the jackasses in here are making themselves look stupid enough so I will abstain. . . for now.

I'll say it for you then.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i60/f40_200/Advice_antitheist.jpg

[I LUV MY S13]

what makes someone a better person than the other?

[iHeartTheTouge]

It is one example and I presented another on athiest but I dont think you bothered to read that one.....

Excuse me, deeply sorry. I was referring to murder in the name of religion. No atheist kills for Not God. More like for wealth, power, territory, crazyness, etc. Crusades were for Holy Land. "We read the bible. The general area where most of this takes place belongs to us! Die people of different beliefs!"

Then I don't need to poke fun at suicide bombings, everyone knows whats up with that.

[kingkilburn]

so evolution or the big bang didnt happen? cuz i dont see pics of that

Open your eyes and look around you.:s101::l101::s101:

I'll say it for you then.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i60/f40_200/Advice_antitheist.jpg

Not because I'm better which is of coarse true but because I am right. If you want your life based on a farce of a farce then by all means go for it but acknowledge that that is what's going on.

[I LUV MY S13]

I have, reason why i think that was a stupid pic/statement

[Touge Noob S13]

Open your eyes and look around you.:s101::l101::s101:



Not because I'm better which is of coarse true but because I am right. If you want your life based on a farce of a farce then by all means go for it but acknowledge that that is what's going on.

I never said I was religous but of coarse if I dont agree with the kingkilburn I must automaticaly be some religous nut job.

[I LUV MY S13]

I'm agnostic, and i dont see anything wrong with religion...cuz frankly, god is a possibilty but we'll never actually know

p.s your guys' grammar sucks balls

[kingkilburn]

Touge Noob S13

When did I call you a nut job? Never infer when nothing was implied. I stand by my statement and it wasn't directed at you in particular but if you or any one else is offended by it maybe it applies to you.

[Touge Noob S13]

I'm agnostic, and i dont see anything wrong with religion...cuz frankly, god is a possibilty but we'll never actually know

p.s your guys' grammar sucks balls

I dont see anything wrong with it either and frankly dont understand why there are people that hate it so much.
Touge Noob S13

When did I call you a nut job? Never infer when nothing was implied. I stand by my statement and it wasn't directed at you in particular but if you or any one else is offended by it maybe it applies to you.

Not offended at all lord.

[I LUV MY S13]

cuz many religious followers are indeed jackasses, and very ignorant as most refuse to see the scientific side of the spectrum, but same goes for athiest

[ineedone]

I'm agnostic, and i dont see anything wrong with religion...cuz frankly, god is a possibilty but we'll never actually know

p.s your guys' grammar sucks balls

Maybe someone should be pointing the thumb, not the finger... The worst thing you can do when attacking someone on their lack of grammar, is suck at grammar (spelling, punctuation, etc.) yourself. Just saying... :cj:

In all honesty, I suck at grammar. I should be the last person to point out others mistakes on it. However, I feel the need to be a :mrmeph: on this just because. I really am sorry guys, do not take it personally. I just got done finals and I feel the need to take it out on the interwebs. If I ever meet any of you in real life, I wont stop you mid sentence and call you a Ra-Tard... well... maybe... but we will laugh together and skip :fruit: and pick flowers:ughug:

[Mikey213]

so evolution or the big bang didnt happen? cuz i dont see pics of that

The big bang is suspect also, although you can see something even better than pictures but it happening on a minute scale, the point is the bang itself didn't just start from anything as we're the ones smashing shit together, meaning something had to smash shit together meaning what ever smashed had to come from somewhere also meaning a sector of life yet to be unknown!

[Wake]

You very very obviously dont understand the Big bang theory.

[Mikey213]

then explain it in a simpler and less sarcastic way sir hahaha Or you probably don't realize that it's possible to see a similar expansion on a very very minute scale.

[I LUV MY S13]

Maybe someone should be pointing the thumb, not the finger... The worst thing you can do when attacking someone on their lack of grammar, is suck at grammar (spelling, punctuation, etc.) yourself. Just saying... :cj:

In all honesty, I suck at grammar. I should be the last person to point out others mistakes on it. However, I feel the need to be a :mrmeph: on this just because. I really am sorry guys, do not take it personally. I just got done finals and I feel the need to take it out on the interwebs. If I ever meet any of you in real life, I wont stop you mid sentence and call you a Ra-Tard... well... maybe... but we will laugh together and skip :fruit: and pick flowers:ughug:

the difference between my grammar and theirs is you can actually understand what im saying...your gay you pick flowers



the big bang is one big mystery also

[Wake]

then explain it in a simpler and less sarcastic way sir hahaha Or you probably don't realize that it's possible to see a similar expansion on a very very minute scale.

You have already proven yourself incapable of understanding the concept, Sorry I cant "dumb down" scientific theory for you.

If you understood the concept behind the big bang you would understand it started on a very very minute scale.

The main idea in my earlier statement was based on the fact that you said

"the point is the bang itself didn't just start from anything as we're the ones smashing shit together, meaning something had to smash shit together meaning what ever smashed had to come from somewhere also meaning a sector of life yet to be unknown!"

That statement alone shows the narrow mindedness of the human species. We perceive ourselves as the pinnacle of all creation and that some "higher power" had specific intentions for our kind. So he one day got a wild hair up his ass to create us because he was bored.

Just understand this, your brain is too small to comprehend what actually happened. People had to have an explanation for why we are here so someone came up with the judeo-christian concept some 2010 years ago to put the simple folks mind at ease (while putting a little something in their pockets) and keep fear in people if they didnt act a certain way.
Period.

How can you believe a concept that is (literally) 100 times* NEWER than our species itself?
I mean how is that even acceptable? I will take the 200,000 years of scientific proof thank you.


*Mitochondrial DNA and fossil evidence indicates that modern humans originated in Africa about 200,000 years ago.

/spent

[I LUV MY S13]

evolution is very incomplete, so you deem yourself "narrow minded" for saying its "proof", cuz in reality its the most accepted Theory

[Wake]

the big bang is one big mystery also

The Big bang is not a mystery, its a practically proven theory.
Evidenced by the fact that everything that we can measure in space is still moving outward from a central point.

Yes, THAT JUST HAPPENED!:eek2:

[Wake]

evolution is very incomplete, so you deem yourself "narrow minded" for saying its "proof", cuz in reality its the most accepted Theory



PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

explain how evolution is incomplete.

[I LUV MY S13]

again your deeming yourself "narrow minded"

How do we know the big bang actually happened?

Where did it come from?

why did it happen?

all unanswered questions, so yes it is a mystery

yes, THAT JUST HAPPENED =]

[I LUV MY S13]

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE

explain how evolution is incomplete.

http://zilvia.net/f/loud-noises/296669-big-questions-think-outside-box-2.html

POSTS 42-53...knock yourself out bud

[ineedone]

Ladies call my cock the big bang theory:eek2: guess what,that just happened BOOOYA!:whip:

[I LUV MY S13]

haha that piece of shit?? pssh

[Wake]

Just because YOU have questions about evolution doesnt mean we all do.

I dont understand how you asking a bunch of questions is an explantion.

Besides the person that responded to all your posts in that thread already showed you proof.

This is why I havent gotten into this thread. and I will once again bow out.

Have fun kids.

[Wake]

The Big bang is not a mystery, its a practically proven theory.
Evidenced by the fact that everything that we can measure in space is still moving outward from a central point.

Yes, THAT JUST HAPPENED! AGAIN:eek2:

Why dont people listen, or read?

[I LUV MY S13]

if you read properly they werent answers..and my questions are unanswered gaps in evolution, which again proves my previous statement correct..BOOYAH:whip:

[Wake]

You have a hard on for yourself and god right now, and its just plain gross.

you havent proven anything.
Besides the fact that the bible is a fucking story and you choose to believe it. I dont.

Have fun drinking tea with Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny. Im done.

[Kamburrito]

s.p.p.s. for life.



this isnt making any sense for me.

[I LUV MY S13]

again if you read properly, you would have read just above this page that im AGNOSTIC...your ridiculous

[Wake]

Agnostic means that you believe that there is a possibility that there is a "God".

uh booyah?


S.P.P.S POR VIDA BITCHES!!!!

[Wake]

How many of us S.P.P.S.'ers have coupes?

you should get in on coupe love KAMBEEZY!!

[I LUV MY S13]

possibility, not that there is or isnt..uuuhh booyah..?

i thought you werent coming back? make up your insignificant mind already

[ineedone]

haha that piece of shit?? pssh

Did you call my cock a piece of shit? I never thought your mom would tell you all the horrible things I did to her:ssex:. Well, now that the cat is out of the bag, are you comfortable with me calling you son? I am sure in time we will become friends, we do seem to have cars in common. I think we are off to a great start. :Owned:

[Wake]

possibility, not that there is or isnt..uuuhh booyah..?

i thought you werent coming back? make up your insignificant mind already

Personal attacks? really?

Oh wait your 20 nvm that explains it.
Besides the fact that you and your mom just got PWNED!

And my last post had nothing to do with this topic soooooo technically I wasnt being involved.


AND I GOT PAGE 9!
for fucks sake I rock!

[kingkilburn]

Absence from evidence is not evidence of absence.

Evolution can be shown in near real-time but the changes are so minute that most don't notice. When bump the scale up to geologic time to show obvious change people don't comprehend the shear scale of the change in time. That coupled with the fact that a very minuet amount of animals are actually fossilized makes it hard to display to the lay person.


The big bang is all but law. There is NO theory to counter it, nothing even comes close to explaining how things are they way they are. The big bang explains all of the how but questions of why are impossible to answer at our current technological level. We simply can not see that far back through the background radiation of the universe.

[I LUV MY S13]

Did you call my cock a piece of shit? I never thought your mom would tell you all the horrible things I did to her:ssex:. Well, now that the cat is out of the bag, are you comfortable with me calling you son? I am sure in time we will become friends, we do seem to have cars in common. I think we are off to a great start. :Owned:


oh ouch you sure owned me with a good ol' momma joke, darn...how original

[I LUV MY S13]

Personal attacks? really?

Oh wait your 20 nvm that explains it.
Besides the fact that you and your mom just got PWNED!

And my last post had nothing to do with this topic soooooo technically I wasnt being involved.


AND I GOT PAGE 9!
for fucks sake I rock!


yeah you cant seem to hold up an arguement with someone 7yrs younger and obviously 7x smarter...its coo bro

[kingkilburn]

At this point you need to just bow out. If your only means of debating the issue is personal attacks you aren't welcome here.

[Wake]

Or Im not willing to waste my time.

Call it what you want.

It IS cool "bro".

[I LUV MY S13]

fair enough, nothing personal